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I was accussed of bragging about my 'studlyness' in my below posts several days ago.  I protested then that I was not bragging, just laying out the facts. But now I have received a shocking message.  

With one lady from my recent visit, we had sex on second meeting and it was quite fantastic from my standpoint and she didn't miss anything either. In fact she didn't miss anything about 6 times.  She was becoming a pain in butt in other respects, wanted to be waited on hand and foot (because she was the lady), yet also wanted to be 'in charge,' criticized the way I washed dishes, etc. But, because of the fantastic sex, I was willing to put up with the other problems for another day.  

When I called her for third meeting, she said she was bothered that I had 'laughed at her English.'  I assured her that I was laughing with her, not at her (she laughed about her pronunciation first and more than I did, and she laughed at my russian), but she still hemmed and hawed, so I went on to next gal.

After my return to USA, I sent her a message to again reassure her that I was not laughing at her English.  I was not trying to rekindle anything, I just always send follow up messages to all gals and try to leave them with good feelings about Americans in general.

She just now sent me reply saying the English thing was not the major problem.  The major problem was that I 'Was not romantic enough."  Ouch, ouch.  Said she loved our sex, but didn't like sex just for the sake of sex.

She wanted candles, music, flowers, etc.  Well crap, I had music, but I am not type who does this other stuff.  And I never slack on the foreplay time.

So I am fessing up that I am not really good at everything some of the ladies want.  I still don't really understand her message, but once again points out to me the tremendous differences between women.  I like those who are 'wash and wear.'  i.e. Low maintenance, just get with the program, put on a little lipstick and then out the door (on the way to dates), etc.

Can't imagine being rejected because of lack of candles and music, but that's the way it goes.

JR

... in response to Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by juio99 on Oct 19, 2002

If you are not willing to try to be a better than the best husband, have little in the way of dating skills, are selfish in any way, I think you will fail.

Better to stay home and see a "pro".  It will be cheaper, and less time consuming.

... in response to Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by juio99 on Oct 19, 2002

But, I'll just say this.

First off, I will agree that this is not bragging.

In fact, if this had happened to me, I would have been too embarrassed to admit it. So, in a way, your post is amazing...

But, more amazing still is that you really don't seem to care what this woman told you. Even now. A woman told you: "I didn't feel romanced" and your response is "I prefer my women 'wash and wear'.

And this comment:

"She wanted candles, music, flowers, etc. Well crap, I had music, but I am not type who does this other stuff" ...Stuns me.

Hey, here's a tip... when she said "music",  something from "THE EMINEM SHOW" doesn't count.

Not wanting to pile on here... but you DID post this, you must have expected it...

In your earlier post, you said:

"Every single lady that I had romance with mentioned that the Russian guys never took the care that I did to ensure that the experience was highly pleasureable for them."

Really?

It seems that the care you take begins and ends in bed.

Foreplay... every good lover knows... doesn't start in bed... it starts at dinner...

... in response to I've kept silent..., posted by MarkInTx on Oct 20, 2002

I know you are usually speechless. LOL

... in response to Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by juio99 on Oct 19, 2002

So you had sex with her on the second date, and stuck around ONLY because the sex was good but you "try to leave them with good feelings about Americans in general."?

I wonder what's wrong with this picture???

... in response to Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by Oscar on Oct 19, 2002

Oscar,

Did you ever think that maybe she wanted the sex?  I have met all kinds of women. I once had a lady use me for sex. She was not interested in marriage --- just the sex. For us to date and be monogamous she had her requirement as to how often I would be required  to "service her" as she would jokingly put it. However, she was serious.

... in response to Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by thesearch on Oct 20, 2002

Well, I don't think so, otherwise I don't think she would have complained that he was not very romantic, she would have just gone for the sex and not complained!  
I really don't think too many Russian women really just want to use American men for sex! LOL!  They could do that easily enough with the local boys..

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by Oscar on Oct 20, 2002

Good point.

... in response to Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by Oscar on Oct 19, 2002

Oscar, sorry I don't get your point.  Actually, I didn't stick around.  Because when she hedged on meeting for 3rd time, as I reported, and I went on to next lady.

But I still try to leave all with good feeling through kind treatment thoughout and follow up messages saying 'yea or nea'.  I don't just disappear without a word as many guys do.  And for the 'neas' I am as kind as possible and put the blame on myself in my messages to them.  Even this lady, who sent me e-mail (in reply to my message to her apologizing for her thoughts about my laughing at English) saying I wasn't romantic enough for her, signed her message 'kisses to you.'  I fully expect to have more corresponce with her, just as a follow up to some of her points, and attempt to help her in defining just what type of a guy she wants.  But, I don't see us becoming an 'item' again because of our seeming difference in needs and actions in a few areas.

But if you expect I will ever be sorry about liking sex, finding women who also like sex, having consensual sex on second date (or first date), and even overlooking some misgivings to have sex on 3rd and later dates, forget about it.

JR

... in response to Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by juio99 on Oct 19, 2002

And this quote, from your initial post on this subject-

"But, because of the fantastic sex, I was willing to put up with the other problems for another day".  

I'm sorry, but what you are saying here is that you used this lady, who might very well be looking for a decent guy to marry, big time, for nothing more than sex.  I'm sorry but I just personally find that very offensive and sad.  It is indeed actions like that which give American guys a bad rep there IMO..  

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by Oscar on Oct 19, 2002

Oscar,

I completely agree with you.  But you're relieving yourself into the wind by trying to communicate this to JR.  Based on this thread and his other past postings he seems to be constitutionally incapable of addressing complaints re: his bragging about his sexploits without including even more bragging about his sexploits!  You might say, "he can't see the forest for his tree."  

Again, based on the last time this happened he will eventually drift into some really outrageous and rasty comments and then stop just short of getting banned.  I can sense the growing frustration building up inside of you as he goes on and on trying to explain himself in such a way as to only create more frustration.  I can see that purple vein in your neck pounding away and getting ready to blow...  

[Sidebar: I LMAO'd when MarkInTx, who's thinking is normally quite stable, well polished, and well peppered with an actual thought process sometimes lacking on this board (compliment), had to retract his defense of JR's rights to his free whatevers after JR ranted on about his MO of teaching RW bride candidates how to wash their "T___'s" in accordance to his standards! - now THAT was funny!]

But rest assured - eventually JR will self-extinguish just like the proverbial Smirch Bird.

"The Smirch Bird?" you ask?  Well, the Smirch Bird is now extinct, and that's why you've probably never heard of it.  It seems to have had the bad habit of flying around in ever-decreasing concentric circles until it finally stuffed its head up its rectal oriface (I hate that automatic censoring device that Patrick uses) and died!

Instead of frustration I am now finding comical relief as I sense JR beginning his landing approach.  I now want to start jumping up and down swinging one arm overhead in a circular motion like the crowd on the Jerry Springer Show yelling, "You GO Baby You GO..."  I even find myself making mental side bets as to when we're gonna hear that familiar "SHHPPPLAAAATTTT" sound.

[Another Sidebar: I'm wondering how long it will be before Patrick lets the other two gladiators out of the penalty box and we all start chanting, "You GO Baby You GO..."   Any side bets?  Oh oh.  I think I just caught my self getting to wound up -- I went on a rant again...  sigh....]

God, I love this board...

Bob

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging now ei..., posted by robobond on Oct 20, 2002

Yep, I didn't respond to his earlier "sexploits" either, I just figured it was a bit of a mental slip on his part, which sometimes happens.  Sometimes posters go a little too far in the detailing of their sexual stuff, but this is getting ridiculous.  The guy's using these women for nothing but sex and then wants them to remember him as the "nice American"??  Now I've heard everything...

The silly thing is that the guy is like 47!  I was shocked.  You would think from the way he talks that he was like some 24 year old hormonal horndog or something!  Can you spell "sexual addiction"? ;-) This is no way to treat women.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging now ei..., posted by robobond on Oct 20, 2002

First off, I think "rectal Orifice" made your post funnier than the three letter version... so don't sweat it

Secondly, about your side bar... well... I hate to let one post run over into another, you know? That's part of what I was objecting over with the hue and cry over JR's first post. I really felt (and still do) that the post was attacked primarily because of other things he had said.

But.. the "S__ T___" was a very crude reference, and --you're right-- caused me to withdraw my support.

[Side note: Part of the fun of this board is that some guys on here have multiple identities. So, you know those "two gladiators" in the penalty box? One of them has changed uniform jerseys and is back on the ice. Can't you tell?]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging no..., posted by MarkInTx on Oct 20, 2002

just how does that banning thing work? Someone else seems to be missing around here lately???

... in response to Six days and counting, posted by Pordzhik on Oct 20, 2002

To my knowledge, yes... only one participant is back. But, he'll be allowed to stay until he reveals himself.

You probably missed Spyke. He kept coming back. But he can't help himself -- he always has to reveal himself, and then he gets banned.

This "new guy" will be different. He has a vested interest in staying "incognito."

... in response to Re: Six days and counting, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 20, 2002

I've not spotted him yet. But a 3rd party has become very conspicuous by a prolonged absence since the bannings, makes me wonder.....how does the banning work?

Vested interest eh? I'll watch out for the trip report with the glowing over-the-top recommendation.

... in response to Re: Re: Six days and counting, posted by Pordzhik on Oct 20, 2002

Well, I'm not the board manager, but it goes something like this: You break the rules (advertisements, fighting, personal attacks, especialy of the nature "Fred's woman from Glasglow is nothing but a wxxxx" etc. etc.), Patrick (the board owner) deletes the offending messages and tells you to clean things up. You violate them again, he either warns you again or bans you, depending on his judgement of exactly how far out of line you are and/or if he's had to warn you before. Repeated warnings and/or really bad stuff get you banned, simple as that. I have seen him once ban a guy with no warning, but the guy's post was really out of line, something he meant as a joke, but was really very insulting to one of the lady posters on the Asian board. Apparently they worked it out off line, because the guy is back and his first post after he came back was a pretty sincere looking appology.

Actually, Patrick is more lenient(sp?) than I would be, especialy about guys who think this is where you are suppossed to write those "Hey guys, I SCORED!" type of high school sophomore letters to Penthouse magazine (like the one that started this thread, for example)...they contribute nothing of value, annoy the decient guys, scare off any decient foreign women who may be reading (yes, there are some, particulary a few members' wives and fiancees), and give ammunition to those who would say "You see? All those MOB guys are, at best, just a bunch of loosers who couldn't get a date over here anyway and at worst, are taking advantage of the womam's dire ecconomic straits and betraying her hopes of finding a good man just to get sex from her".

... in response to How does the banning work? (and a small ..., posted by Michael B on Oct 20, 2002

I was asking about the technical side of banning.

... in response to Sorry Micheal if I didn't make myself cl..., posted by Pordzhik on Oct 20, 2002

He knows your user name and IP address from when you registered and adds it to a list. There is also a cookie on your machine that he checks for. Not that I'm advocating doing so, but it's not that hard to defeat, which is how some of the banned people keep comming back under a different user name. He might also have something a little more sophisticated that I'm not aware of (I've never been banned, so I wouldn't know).

... in response to Re: Sorry Micheal if I didn't make mysel..., posted by Michael B on Oct 20, 2002

That he was actually making a philosophical comment.

Meaning: The moment one poster was banned... suddenly another person "seemed" to disappear... making him postulate whether a ban of one person would also get that person's alias.

... in response to I think, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 20, 2002

From a technical point, I don't know if Patrick's banning scheme/software is that sophisticated. From a practical point, perhaps if Don Quixote is banned, Sancho no longer needs to be around to defend him, does he?....Especially is they are really one and the same, just using two different log ons, what you think?.

... in response to Re: I think, posted by Michael B on Oct 20, 2002

Yes... this is exactly what I think...

... in response to Re: Re: Six days and counting, posted by Pordzhik on Oct 20, 2002

Well... That is an indirect by-product of a banning... but not direct one...

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by Oscar on Oct 19, 2002

Seriously, the marriage-minded women don't want to be sport-forked, they want someone to make love to them. I think this story illustrates this.

... in response to Illegal Use of the 5th Appendage--Ten Ya..., posted by Scaught on Oct 19, 2002

sd

... in response to Illegal Use of the 5th Appendage--Ten Ya..., posted by Scaught on Oct 19, 2002

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... in response to Re: Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by juio99 on Oct 19, 2002

Sounds to me like the reason she "hedged" on meeting you the third time is because she felt that all you wanted was sex and in fact your post said as much, that you were just with her for the sex because she was good at it, but that there were other things about you that bothered you.  So it was just about the sex..  Geez, that's a pretty expensive trip just for some sex!  Much less expensive to do that right here at home where you live!

My point was that when you say "I try to leave them with good feelings about Americans in general" and then you say "But if you expect I will ever be sorry about liking sex, finding women who also like sex, having consensual sex on second date (or first date), and even overlooking some misgivings to have sex on 3rd and later dates, forget about it.", I find that the two statements hardly go together.  I think this is often exactly why they get a lousy feeling about many Americans.  You can call me an idealist or a romantic, but it does not sound to me any way to treat a lady, especially if you happen to actually be looking for a wife rather than just a one night stand.  I hope you don't now tell me that you are looking to marry one of these girls who will jump in the sack with you on the first date?  If you are only there to party, that's fine, but let's just call it what it is..  
As far as being sorry for it?  That's up to you.  From all I have read of your posts, I have come away with the distinct impression that you use the helll out of these girls, and that's sad to me because if they are not all just party girls, some of them are very likely hurt by the "mash-em and trash-em" style that you write about..

... in response to Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by juio99 on Oct 19, 2002

There once was a guy who asked his neighbor if he could borrow his lawn mower.  The neighbor said, "No."  The guy asked why not.  The neighbor said, "Because I have to wash my dishes."  The guy said, "What does washing your dishes have to do with me borrowing your lawn mower?"  The neighbor said, "One excuse is as good as another."

... in response to Re: Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by Ramblin on Oct 19, 2002

n/t

... in response to Sex: Not bragging now either, posted by juio99 on Oct 19, 2002

about a good woman. A good woman is like a good guitar, if it survives the first couple of beatings it's your's for life. Don't worry bout it man. It's over & done with. I guess I better take a couple of candles etc.