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After a while, she asked if I’d like to get away from this crowded place. Of course I immediately answered yes!

As we went out the door, she pointed out a liquor store across the street and told me to get a bottle of wine and she’d meet me in front of the bar in her car.

I purchased a (for me at the time) expensive bottle of wine ($7.00 – I was in University!) and as I crossed the street back towards this dream in her red car, she held out her hand saying “Here, I’ll take that” so I gave her the bottle of wine and went around the back of her red TR3.

I was in back of the car when, with a small ’chirp’ of the tires, she took off!

I was dumbfounded – I just stood there, open mouthed and ‘catching flies’ for a bit.

Then it hit me! I staggered back to the front of the bar laughing – laughing so hard that I wasn’t able to stand up. I’d been had, but good!

A cop came along and was soon laughing along with me, after he heard my story.

My stomach was aching and I had tears running down my face – and every time I thought about it, I would double over laughing again!

Was I scammed? I doubt it, but I was truly “played”! A country bumpkin’s intro to the ‘big city’!

My defeinitions of an AM scammer...

Any man going over saying that he is interested in marriage, and actually is just going to get laid... is a scammer.

Any man who writes letters and never goes over... is not a scammer per se (since he is not benefitting materially) however he is "not sincere"... just as some of the women are not sincere... they just like flirting with the idea, while enjoying the ride...

But, yes, this is a definition of a scam... a con...

Like playing the three card monte... You think you can win, but you can't.

They take your money and you're history. And that is all they were after.

I would call it a scam... yes ...

However, we can see that the definition of scammer is different to different people. Jack's is different from Mark H's for example.

Before people can talk about scammer - there has to be an accepted definition.

Mark H.

You may not want to agree with my next point and that is that Jack had to challenge you. He really had no choice as if this lady fits his definition of scammer he, would have to remove her and to not challenge you would be to shirk his responsibility. No mater what your disagreement with Jack might be, I for one do not think that he would retain a scammer per his definition of such.

Jack should remove her from his site for one simple reason:
she has become a liability to him and her sincerity is in question.

Both Mark's accounts of her seem to be weird and I would strongly suspect misconduct in some form on her part. It's difficult to tell who's right and who's wrong but the subject has brought up a lot of heated discussions. I would err on the side of caution.

-blm

With MarkinTex still not exactly clear what happened here as she expressed great excitement to Rostick about meeting him. Rostick had said she had never expressed such excitement or interest in anyone to that point. She went somewhere for a week or two, after her return shortly thereafter Mark disappeared for some 6 to 8 months and that was the end of any potential there.  

Without getting into her personal matters more than we already have, a few guys have taken great interest in her, visited her and have had nothing but positive things to say about her.

Is she being choosey, absolutely. Is she meeting men for one or two visits if they come to see her and she has interest in them, absolutely. Does she have a phone number that she has given to guys that she has expressed interest in so they can talk to her at her house, YES! Has she ever asked one man for money, NO! (although there are claims by such from one man who she had expressed no interest in) Has she ever asked one man to help with her e-mail expense, NO! Has she ever had this agency ask for money on her behalf, NO! Has she ever told anyman she can come visit them if they buy her a visa, NO! Has she ever told anyman how poor she was, or that her mother was sick, or that she must go to the hospital, or that she was involved in a car wreck, NO! Has she told men they were nice or handsome or clever when she thought otherwise just to not hurt there feeling, probably.

I have a real good idea as to what scammers are, I receive reports on scammers everyday. I was scammed early and often myself in my early days. I receive on average 3 to 4 request each week from men asking me to help them know if there woman is a scammer or not. Barry, if you think I am going to have a known scammer on my site than you are mistaken.

This girl, Milina, like ALL young, beautiful women of the FSU know they can be choosey. In Kiev they see 100 new American men walking there streets everyday. This is not 1994 or 1995 or 96 where these women were jumping on almost any American man, these ladies have learned they can be selective and choosey as they search for there life time partner. Guys had better learn this and keep there own expectations realistic.

I'm tired of my balls being busted for the NON TRIP to Dnepetrovsk.....time for the truth. IT was Ilya's idea that I not take the trip. Out of courtesy to him and fear that YOUR FAT ARSE would have reprecussions to him....I ATE IT. I took the heat from YOU, the board, and many others for not going. It was his idea and suggestion that I stay in Kiev. He said there was nothing in Dnepetrovsk and I would have a much better time in Kiev. I listened to him and stayed. It was world war III because of it. I hope you do get pissed, he's better off without you. I have his email address for ANYONE that wants to use him outside of fat arse jack. He's a good kid and an excellent interpreter. Now I don't give a shiiiit who knows it. Jack, you are a liar. Plain and simple. Sure, you're convenient for people who can't find an alternative and possibly quick....however, your ethics are lame. Very lame. Now, everyone has the truth about that stupid trip. You've been pissed to this day cuz I didn't go to Dnep, too bad fat boy. Get over it. Business is business, save your "false ethical" BS for someone else. The mighty dollar sign is all that runs you. Your own staff in Kiev think that you're a dipshiiiit and a greedy bastaaaard. ANd that's a quote.

See ya fat boy,
Mark

First of all if you have the balls to do it, which I doubt, here is Rosticks phone number, 380 44 552 1454. Call him, remind him who you are, tell him you were the guy going to Dnepropetrovsk for about 5 or 6 days right after Christmas the year before last who had the several ladies lined up and waiting to see you that you stood up in favor of two or three "party" girls in Kiev. He will remember you for sure then.

Then ask him if he remembers what happened, what Milina said, when he delivered your letter and photo to her.

Rostick e-mailed me later that night and filled me in on details of everything that had transpired with other clients in Kiev and work that was done during the day, such as delivering of letters, flowers, etc. In his e-mail he advised me that Milina said she really didn't have any interest in meeting you.

This was your number one pick Mark, this was the woman you had to meet as you had told me the week earlier. I was trying to figure out how to tell you she had no interest in you over the next day. I realized you were only going to be in Kiev for a short period of time so I got this crazy idea. I e-mailed Rostick and asked him if he would call Milina and ask her if she would go out with you for one evening as a favor for me. Rostick did and Milina agreed. The truth hurts dorf boy!!!!!!  If you want to try to tell me or anyone else here that she had any interest in you than you are living in a real dream world. Get real dorf boy, get real! You think this woman would have any interest in you,...get real!  

The truth of the matter here Mark is you have called this woman a scammer and I am calling you on it. Plain and simple. Prove she is a scammer and guess what Dorf Boy, you can't!!  The lady had no interest in you, the lady spent two hours with you as a favor for me. You try to muddy the water all you want by bad mouthing me or my business or my employees and all the other slanderous statements you are coming up with. The truth of the matter is I am calling you on this and you can offer no friging proof!!  It's your sorry @ss word with no proof. Oh, how convienant you lost her e-mails. Dorf Boy, if you can't back-up your allegations, as all other scam reporters can, I suggest you go back to Rhonda and mess around with a woman more your speed!

Fact is, as you stated, she was not serious is exactly right!  You are correct, she was not serious about you, plain and simple. The only correct statement you have made about her.

Regarding your statements about Ilya all I have to say is that one of the two of you are certaintly lying. In Ilya's e-mail to me he expressed shock and disappointment in what you had done. Based on everything I have seen and heard from you dorf boy, I will tend to believe Ilya. We try very hard to screen our clients, we do not want any client who will treat any of these ladies in the manner in which you treated several ladies in Dnepropetrovsk. After all the hard work me and my staff went to make sure you had several ladies as you had described to meet, then you to SH!T on ALL of us in favor of your "party' girls, as I told you in my e-mail, we would make sure your trip was pleasant while you remained in Kiev but after leaving Kiev we would NEVER have anything to do with you (or your type) again! Yea Dorf Boy, business is not so bad that we have to accept your type! And speaking of my ethics dorf boy, my ethics are so lame they won't allow me, or my staff, to work with your type. And that all mighty dollar you say that drives me, what did you pay to have your letters translated and delivered?  Zero dorf boy, zero!  Your letter translated and hand delivered to Milina, to arrange a meeeting, what did you pay cheap dorf boy?  ZERO, yea, tell me how much the all mighty dollar means to me in trying to bring sincere people together. If I had of known what type of man you were I would have charged you 17 trillion, 182 billion, 42 million dollars and 11 cents!

In your previous slanderous statements in trying to cover your sorry @ss for what you did to those lovely ladies waiting for you in Dnepropetrovsk you stated that you never really intended to go to Dnepropetrovsk anyway.
You also said you liked Kiev ladies and you said that you were interested in a couple of "party" ladies you met while you were in Kiev and this was another reason you decided not to go. So my question to you now dorf boy is this, "Were you lying to us then, or now?"

Your own staff in Abilene and Pennsylvania say, and have said, you are one stupid, cheap, lying, insincere boy in a man's body who wouldn't know how to treat a lady if he ever found one, and that's a quote (see two can play at your slanderous games dorf boy).

See ya flute tooth (as Rhonda referred to you)

"17 trillion, 182 billion, 42 million dollars and 11 cents"

Really... you wouldn't round it off to the nearest 42 million???

Dang! That 11 cents is a bit over the top, doncha think???

-blm

You are a scumbag troll, plain and simple.

-blm

And when are you and jack going to stop this on-line mutual masturbating of each other?

It is not really about the area being fished out but the fish becoming wiser as there are more lures to choose from that are vying for their attention. This is good in that a guy a few years back was not held in reality check as easily when he would stretch the beauty or age factor.

So, the solution for some guys is go to the more remote areas to find the more eager women. This is not a bad approach as long as one does not use it to push the limits beyond reason.

I think that Jack's comment about looking at yourself in  the mirror and giving yourself an honest assessment is good advice.

Also, looking honestly at responses you got from AWs will help ground you as well.

If babes in America are shooting you down... maybe you need to reassess your "score". If, on the other hand, you've been dating good looking women in America, but have had other problems keeping the relationship going... then the babes in Russia are probably going to like you, too.

(Hmmm... so, does the fact that Milena didn't want to date MarkH, but was excited about meeting me mean that I have a higher score than MarkH? ;-)

I've said it before, and I will say it again -- The Green Card isn't the big draw that some men think it is.

I don't get the sense that the women in the FSU hate their lives so bad that they will hop aboard the first guy that asks them. I just don't...

ok fine.  I get a babe that... (and I ain't even gonna rate her on the appearance numerical scale for obvious reasons - 10 to me and i've done'em all), thinks I'm a freakin 8.9.  She's realistic, and I'm a lunatic.  I appreciate her control... and she has no desire to come here, but goes nuts because I prefer to go there instead.  She doesn't give a rats butt about green card anything.  Just wants to be together, and if she had her way, she'd be doing a R1 on me to russia instead of a K1 the other way around.

Pick your poison well.  

IMO, the younger you choose, the greater the risk of ending up with problems you never thought existed; green card or not.

jm2c.

It just means that SHE scored you higher - the next woman might score Mark higher than you. LOL

BTW - you and I are on the opposite side of the fence relative to the green card issue - no need to debate it. Patrick has offered me a bribe to not debate with you anymore. BTW----- I see you are trying to beat me on the number of posts.

Look what she ended up settling for. ;-)

Either women want the green card and therefore will jump on the first American who comes by...

Or the Green Card is not as important to them, and they  will be choosey...

You can't have choosey women who want nothing but a Green Card...

Even you must see the intrinsic impossibility in that...

Sooner or later... you will have to choose which side of the fence you wish to remain on.

Doncha think?

Now, if the lady is slow dragging her feet relative to accepting you what does that mean? It could mean a few things of which the following might be in that listing and may apply:

1) the green card is not an issue or it is buy she wants her cake and eat it to and you only are coming forth with a desirable green card.
2) she is not that interested in you, there are other suitors of which you are plan B, she just wants to take her time to be sure.

She also doesn't fit my definition of a serious lady.

I will just say that it was far more than just "she went away on a trip and when she came back I was bno longer interested."

There was also strange behavior on her part, weird emails, and lying...

But it doesn't matter to me.

I have my lady, so everything worked out for the best...

-blm