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I've seen, in many posts prior to BarryM, the term "fished out" used extensively. Give me a break. How can you "fish out" a city of 3 million people? In my opinion it can only get better. How you say? Girls are marrying guys over here and moving here. The girls are writing back home how good they have it or how wonderful their marriage is. This, in my opinion, will only inspire others to follow in their footsteps.

I'm originally from San Antonio, Texas. We have over 3 million in the metro area, the 8th largest city in the country (how many of you knew that?). Also, that doesn't count our wetback population, which would probably shove us to #7, who knows. The point is, I couldn't imagine my hometown being "fished out" by anything or anyone. Give me a break.

I think St. Pete's and Moscow are untapped resources cuz guys keep dodging them saying "hey, I need a small town, rural, off the beaten path chick". Whatever, I think WMGONNABESUCCESSFUL will have a ball in a couple of weeks in St. Pete. NO ONE IS FISHING THE HOLE?

Mark H.

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

.....fished out???  I don't know about that for the big cities.  Firstly there is the monthly influx of girls from smaller towns who move there for the much higher pay rate.  One friend of mine recently moved to St Pete from a smaller town primarily because she could make alot more money,  like $60 per month vs $600 per month.  She will also become very accustomed to all the convenieces and cultural advantages St Pete has to offer.  She tells me she has met many girls who have recently moved there from smaller towns....so maybe the pond is growing.

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Mark: "Girls are marrying guys over here and moving here. The girls are writing back home how good they have it or how wonderful their marriage is. This, in my opinion, will only inspire others to follow in their footsteps"

Mark, the only guys I have come in contact with are at this site. This is only a very small percentage of the men that are going to the FSU to find a wife. Yes we hear of happy marriages here but, that is here. Guys like LP say that this here is not representative of the real world of AM/FSU marriages.

So, you are assuming that these women as a group are happy with the American men they marry and that is what all these FSU women are hearing??? Maybe, but I really can not say. How many are not happy and what do they say?

I think that we are going to get different reports but even so, the question is are the favorable reports more frequent than the less favorable?

One FSU lady told me that her friends as a rule  have the opinion that fat old American men come over thinking they can take advantage or their situation and  marry a woman out of his class. She said that her close friends would never allow that to happen but they know of many girls who will go along with the program long enough to get the green card. These women feel the guy deserves to be taken for trying to take advantage of them. Now, is her observation common? I do not know this either. This lady did gave me strong warning about this process. I am not putting this process down. It is just that I am not sure that your assumption is correct about how we are viewed. The areas less traveled by foreign men might have women with different attitudes then those from more traveled areas as is mentioned by Oscar below.

... in response to One snafoo possibly, posted by thesearch on Aug 13, 2002

Your post brought to mind the first other man that I met who went to Russia for a woman. He was going to Volgograd when I did. I never talked with him but I knew he was American because he announced it to the flight attendant on the plane. I would guess he was in his mid fifties. He was short, balding and stout. He was wearing a powder blue tuxedo with a white ruffled shirt and carrying a huge bouquet of flowers.

When we landed in Volgograd I met my girlfriend and her sister and were waiting for them to unlock the building where our luggage was dumped. The man in blue had a large entourage with him then. An interpretor, agency representative and photographer. The lady he met was almost my height(about 6'), much taller than him and stunningly beautiful. He was happier than anything. He kept trying to hug the girl and pull her close for the pictures. The girl had a distant look on her face and kept edging away.

I felt very sorry for him. My girlfriend just laughed and said,"that is the kind of Americans we meet at the agency". I don't know if what she said was true but she believed it. I've only met a couple of other people involved in this pursuit. WmGo is one. We only met for a few minutes. But he and the other guys I know don't fit the "loser" sterotype but the poor guy in Volgograd did. So what really is the "typical" mob seeker? I don't know. And to be honest should we even worry about it?

... in response to Re: One snafoo possibly, posted by Zink on Aug 14, 2002

Zink,

 Guys have to be honest with themselves. Guys have to be realistic with themselves.

 I firmly believe in the two point system. Be honest with yourself and give yourself a grade from 1 to 10. If you are a 6, then you can seek an 8 in a Russian woman. If you grade yourself an 8 or higher, then go for that 10. But if you are a 5 and you are going after a 9 or a 10, you are probably the type guy that most of these Russian women laugh about, such as the guy in the powder blue tux.

... in response to Re: Re: One snafoo possibly, posted by Jack on Aug 14, 2002

I know that I am a ten but everyone else thinks I am a two!

----what should I do?  I guess the answer might be for me to find a  lady who guys think is a 10 however she has the impression she is a two?

... in response to But Jack,, posted by thesearch on Aug 14, 2002

Greg, really, just be honest with yourself, if you think you are a 10, then of course go for the 10!

In my opinion, as I have seen your photos and you are in good shape, I would think you will fall into at least an 8 catagory, so of course you can shoot for a 10, BUT it is your opinion that counts.

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Mark,
Don't let any of the yahoos here tell you what to do.  Do it YOUR WAY.  The way that is comfortable FOR YOU.  Fished out?  Uh huh, sure.  What guys are REALLY saying is that the women are not as dumb as the one's found in the sticks.  Now if you are man enough, go for it.  Others do not have the self confidence to seek women in a competitive market and HAVE TO go to the hinterlands.  BTW, I for one do not measure "success" by if you are married yet after multiple trips.  The "right" decision could have been to pass on the gals you met (as you did).  As I have said many times before, ANYONE can get married.  The key is to marry the RIGHT person.  One trip or ten trips, so what?  SPEED is not the issue, HAPPINESS is.  For those who cannot afford to make the number of trips that is necessary TO FIND THE RIGHT WOMAN, stay home.
KenC

... in response to matter of confidence/competition, posted by KenC on Aug 13, 2002

Hey ken,
I think you have hit the nail on the head. I do have the confidence and wouldn't hesistate one second making another trip to Kiev, St. pete or Moscow to look for a partner. I think WMGONNAGOANDSHOWUS will have a ball in a couple of weeks!

Cheers,
Mark H.

... in response to Re: matter of confidence/competition, posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Mark,
When I was in contact with Lifetime Partners, they warned me about how difficult Lena was.  They said she was a great woman: beautiful, classy, smart and personality plus,  but unobtainable.  She wasn't just gonna marry any guy.  I laughed at the guy from LTP and told him, "First of all, I aint any guy.  Secondly, who said I wanted to marry her?  I just want to meet her and get to know her."  (Our third anniversary is tomorrow)
KenC

... in response to Re: Re: matter of confidence/competition, posted by KenC on Aug 13, 2002

Ken,
Congrats. I'm still trying to get over the last photo of Lena you sent me. You sure hit the jack pot, the complete package. I guess that's why I haven't settled yet...I see and hear of your complete package and I keep looking...not gonna settle regardless of any posters on this dump or anywhere else. I love your attitude, the one you had about meeting Lena in the first place. Very cocky, much like mine. I KNOW I will be successful regardless, whether it's an AW or  RW. I KNOW it. I don't sweat it, I don't worry about it. It's all taken care of, just got to find her.

Later and I'll toast a cold one at the party I'm going to right now....for your next 3 years, and the 3 after that, and the 3 after that......get my drift?

Mark H.

... in response to Re: Re: matter of confidence/competition, posted by KenC on Aug 13, 2002

I thank you for your many posts which have provided me with a balanced view to all this.  Best wishes,  Tim

... in response to Re: Re: matter of confidence/competition, posted by KenC on Aug 13, 2002

Congrats to you both.

BTW, Lena hasn't passed on any of her "unobtainable nature" to Victoria when they emailed... has she? ;-)

... in response to Happy Anniversary, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 13, 2002

Mark,
Thanks.  You may have misunderstood what I meant in my previous post.  Lena was always nice to all the men she met (American & Russian).  She was never a snob.  Guys kind of freak out because she acts like a "normal" woman instead of some unapproachable model type.  Her attitude toward men in general is quite unique for America.  Her "nature" was not unobtainable.  LTP was just warning me not to get my hopes up because many before me had tried and failed.  She usually turned the guys into friends and helped them find another "good Russian woman".  She still trades an occasional email with Americans she had met.  I have never met a woman so good at letting guys down easy.
KenC

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002


A salesman gets sent to a region in Africa to sell wares. Unfortunately, his company sells shoes.

After three weeks, he wires his company:

"Please send plane ticket to get me home immediately. This place is horrible. No one wears shoes here!"

Years pass.

One day a young aggressive salesman is trying to get his own "patch" and to shut the kid up, and teach him a lesson, his VP sends him off to this area in Africa.

Three weeks later, the company gets this cable:

"Please send more shoes immediately. This place is incredible! No competition!"

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

And not find a match.  

(What are you doing with all your time...visiting Tootsie?)

I think on the 6th trip you should run a ad in the newpapers of the cities you plan, about 2 months in advance of your visit and also, do what most guys do... hit every agency in town.

Clearly, what you've done in the past isn't working.
Time to re-think your methods.

... in response to Re: Not everybody get the chance to go o..., posted by wsbill on Aug 12, 2002

Bill,
Don't be so quick to say it "isn't working". Perhaps it has worked just fine. I'm  not married but I haven't been scammed either. Other than Milena on Jack's site, and that's a sore subject too....huh Jackie Chan  :)

Anyway, I'm content with my 5 trips. I'd do 5 more just like them if I could, perhaps I will. Who knows, the key is to not try too awfully hard. I'm having a ball, that's all that matters.

Mark h

... in response to Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance to ..., posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Mark, I say it's time to expose a scammer, don't you?

You are no different than any other guy I take scam reports from in that I will never post, or consider to post, a proclaimed scammer without the guys presenting some type of proof. All the reported scammers on my site today have left written proof, a written trail so to say. It is easy to read between the lines of what they have written as to what there motives are. I say it's time to post her scammer activities Mark. Send some proof of her scam. I know she didn't have interest in you after meeting with you and it's happened a few times in the past where a rejected man wanted to label a woman as a scammer. I am not saying that you are in this group, but I would say it's time to put her in her rightful place if she is a scammer. You know I cannot post a woman as a scammer just because a guy says he was scammed, most guys can prove they were scammed. You can send any and all proof of her being a scammer to nunya@ix.netcom.com    I would be most interested in seeing your report and of course getting her side of the story.  

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance..., posted by Jack on Aug 13, 2002

Jack, Jack, Jack,

I'm not going to rehash all this crap with you. It was a joke! Just like your shot down below in your post. I KNOW she is full of crap. I KNOW she is a scammer. I KNOW she is not serious. That's enough for me. If anyone else wants to date her...be my freaking guest. I could care less. I DUMPED HER, remember? I BLEW HER off, remember? She's not serious, she's playing games and wasting peoples time. If you like having chicks like that on your site...that's your business. I don't harbor ill feelings toward her, or you for that matter. The bottom line is:    I could care less. I don't need to whine and send you letters or anything else to "prove" she is a scammer. I'm not an idiot. I know when someone is serious and when someone is playing games. Her tactics, her statements....she's full of crap. You and I both know it. Keep her on your site, I'm sure she makes alot of money for you!  :)  As for trying to paint the picture....IN EVERYONE OF YOUR POSTS ON THIS ISSUE....that I am some scorned, rejected, goof ball----- give it a rest. WE all know your silly tactics by this point. I am not scorned, I was not rejected, I rejected her cuz she was full of crap. Let it go Jack, let it go.

Mark H

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the ch..., posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Mark, please tell me how she is a scammer. You want to tell everyone she is a scammer, she deserves the right to defend herself. Whatever you say about her that in your eyes convienced you she was a scammer, I am going to send to her personaly so she can respond and reply back publicy.

Doesn't seem to me that I am asking for much Mark. You publicly identified her and called her a scammer. No one else has, only you have. She has the right to defend herself to your claims, do you not agree?

... in response to Mark, posted by Jack on Aug 13, 2002

Jack,
You just can't let it go can you? She's full of crap. I realize she's a hot looking little 23 year old that makes you alot of cash. She is one of your cash cows, but it doesn't change the fact that she's a scammer. I don't believe a word out of her greedy little mouth. Defend herself? I don't care what she does. As far as rebutting anything I say, who cares? I wish I still had the emails she sent, then you'd see the real Milena. Ask MarkinTX, he knows exactly what I am talking about. I don't think she confused us for a second. Mark is in his 40's, I'm not? When she writes that "43 is too old for her anyway and she was just playing"...sounds insincere to me? Oh, how about the one about "my dad works for the government, his job is important. I can't possibly marry anyone 'officially' for 2 years, it could jeapordize his job". "but, you can marry me in Ukraine and send me money every month, taking care of me".  Sound legit? Of course she'll deny saying it, so what's the point? I was THERE, sitting at the posh restaurant she scammed a meal out of me in. $115 bucks for lunch in Kiev? Give me a break, she picked the most expensive place she could have found...and ordered accordingly. SHe's full of crap. I really don't care WHO knows it. Let it go, it's my opinion...doesn't have to be yours or anyone elses. This forum is for guys to present THEIR opinion and offer information. If you think I'm full of crap and lying...so be it. Write her, meet her, marry her if you wish. I really don't care. All I can say is...I think she is full of crap, a scammer, a gold digger, and trouble. What you do with the information is your business. Now, enough about it. It's times like this when your "agency owner" mentality gets real lame. Let it go. Not everyone is going to kiss your arse, not everyone wants to use your company. Not everyone thinks it's a "good deal". Let it go. You're not the only game in town. SOme guys seem to think you are, but you aren't. I made 4 trips without you, 1 with you. So what.  You've really been pimping this board long enough. Let's call a spade a spade, I didn't think anyone was supposed to advertise on this board? THAT"S ALL YOU DO. Look man, move on to other things. Other subjects, you can't win this one. You may argue, write BS, challenge all you want, kick around in a circle creating a lot of dust....but your wrong. SHe's a scammer. SHe's full of crap. She's trouble. The fact that she's on your website is your problem, not mine.

Jack, not every chick who is a scammer is going to make up some story about her mom being sick and "please send money for a ticket", or whatever. They come in all sizes and shapes.  Have you ever met her? No. I have. I listened to her BS for over 2 hours. Did I set up another date? No, ask Ilya. Did she want to see me again? Yes, ask Ilya. I chalked it up to experience and moved on with my trip, leaving her behind. She's the bitter one. I'm smiling and enjoying your little show. Let it go Jack, for once in your life let it go. It ain't worth it.

Mark H.

... in response to Jack, posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Mark,

 If it is all right with you I will send her a letter explaining why you claim she is a scammer and ask for her to comment. You have accussed her of being a scammer and I think she deserves the chance to prove you wrong, although we all know you will never admit to being wrong.

 Now from what you have written I think I can conclude she is a scammer for the following reasons, and if you would, either confirm or deny these as the reasons she is a scammer based on what you have written.

 (1) You don't believe a word out of her greedy mouth.
 
 (2)  Her dad works for the goverment and she cannot offically marry for 2 years. But she offers that you can marry her in Ukraine and send her money every month.

 (3)  She scammed a meal out of you. $115 for lunch. She picked the most expensive resturant she could find.

 (4)  She's full of crap.

 (5)  You listened to her BS for two hours.

Now you say you had some e-mails from her and "OH, WHAT a surprise" you lost them!! Somehow I expected that from you.

Now Mark in reading your previous post in which you say she is a scammer these were the reasons, as best I can tell, that you say "she is full of crap, a scammer, a gold digger, and trouble". Are there any other things you want to add, besides these five items, that convienced you she was a scammer?  If so please include them. Once you have given me all the reasons why you claim she is a scammer, I will present these to her and let her respond. Fair enough? And if you refuse to give me any other reasons, or there are no other reasons, then I will just present these five items to her and get her comments as to your accusations. I think she should have her say, after all, as you say, the board is for guys AND girls, to express their opinons. And see, since I know you are nothing more than a big blow-hard, I cherish the chance to get her side of the story.

Mark, the principle of the thing is worth it to me.

... in response to Mark, posted by Jack on Aug 13, 2002

Jack,
As king of the blowhards you would know. I don't sweat you fatboy, not for a second. I gave you the chance to let it go, you can't. As for the scammer from your site, write what you will. She will NOT tell the truth and I could care less. Try as you may to protect your little cash cow, I think everyone knows the truth. I have nothing to gain from exposing insincere chicks. I guess you're worried about sales? Whatever it is, I don't really care. Post what you wish, post what she wishes...in the end it's the same..I don't care. I expected nothing less than your typical, ranting and raving, overkill, reposting everything someone else posts to try to make your point. What is that point? That you have a scammer on your site? Who cares, don't you see...no one. Principle? That's something very foreign to you fat boy. I love this debate, you're used to everyone bowing out to your threats and your BS...not me fat boy. I know exactly WHO you are and WhAT you are. You're nothing but a freaking used car salesman, squirming your way into business on this site and other boards like it. Capitalizing on guys as much and as often as you can hiding behind the guise of "I'm just a good old boy, I live in a glass house, call me...we'll have lunch". Whatever, bottom line is you're out for cash...period. You don't give a rats arse about ANYONE but yourself. There's nothing wrong with that...it's typical of people like you. THe problem comes in when you start trying to portray yourself as the "mother theresa of the board" "serving men out of the good of your heart". A guy posts about a flat for $17 bucks and you crucify him, why? Cuz you can't get a flat for $17 bucks? Not if you want to double your money like you do.

Here's proof positive. Look in the archives (remember, I've been here LONGER THAN YOU FAT BOY) and you'll see how jack bragg shows up talking crap and arguing with everyone around. Challenging established agency owners and showing how he (Jack Bragg) can help guys for free cuz "gosh darnit, you don't need to pay those agency scammers". Then, over the course of a couple of years it becomes, "gee, I have too many guys to help, now I must charge for my consultation".  What a joke. I don't care about your lousy little agency, I don't care about you. I don't care about anything that comes out of your mouth, it's all BS.

Now, post whatever you wish. I'm ready to laugh at it. I can imagine what BS you'll make up. I can only imagine the embellishment you'll conjure up.

See ya fat boy,

Mark H.

... in response to Re: Mark, posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Well Mark, I take it by your response that this is all you have in claiming that Milina is a scammer. So I will present these to Milina and ask her to respond.

And as you will undoubtly say anything she says will be a lie, I will also get Rostick and Ilya to comment, and although you will say that all three are liars, there are many here who feel differently about Rostick and Ilya.

Guess you are fixing to find out afterall stupid boy, Milina didn't even want to go out with you. I was trying so hard to fix you up with all the ladies you had asked about, and Milina was as you told me your number one choice. We hand delivered your letter and photo to Milina. She told Rostick she was not interested. A few days later I asked Rostick to ask Milina to see you if only as a favor for me, and she agreed. You think this woman wanted another date with you flute tooth, you are stupider than you look, which ain't easy to do. And now because she went out with a guy she had no interest in, she went out with as a favor for me, she is called a scammer. I really dispise guys who will call a good woman a scammer because she rejected them. And stupid boy, she didn't take you to the most expensive resturant in Kiev for lunch, you were still $100 shy of being taken there.

My little cash cow you say stupid boy, I think selling her address 8 times does not consitute a cash cow. Hopefully more guys will meet her and more guys will know you for being what you are, a BIG blow-hard, NEVER WRONG, ALWAYS RIGHT BLOOOOW HARD MARK.

And stupid boy, people like you don't give a rat's ass about anyone but themselves, as you have demonstrated in the past. Hey stupid boy, you want to take a shot at my glass house, show where I have scammed or cheated anyone, you can't do it stupid boy!!!!!

As far as helping guys for free, that stopped after all I did for you for free, and then for you to sh!t on everyone, I said never again.

Nope stupid boy, I charge for my time now. People pay me the big bucks to consult them and help them to find a good bride. And guess what stupid boy, very few, probably less than 10% of all my business comes from this or other discussion boards. That is why I can call a stupid @ss-hole like you a stupid @ss-hole, I don't have to worry or be concerned with the business that comes from Planet Love and I love being able to speak my peace, such as being able to say you are truly one of the most stupidest guys I know who has ever searched for a Russian bride. D@mn I pity the poor girl you hog tie!

See ya stupid boy. I'll let you know what Milina has to say about your claims she is a scammer. Her only problem was she knew you were a dorf when she first laid eyes on you, as do all the Russian women who see you!!!!!

... in response to Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance to ..., posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

From your last post Mark, it seems pretty obvious that you really are not very serious about finding a wife..

"the key is to not try too awfully hard. I'm having a ball, that's all that matters."  

And that's fine Mark, I just hope the women know that you are not really serious because most of them are very serious!
If you are trying to find a woman to marry, then wsbill is correct, what you are doing isn't working and you might want to try a different approach.  If however, you are just out to have fun, then I guess it's working just fine.  But just about any guy here who is already married or engaged to an FSU woman would likely agree with me that it WAS hard, a lot of work and effort went into it to find that special woman, but these are men who were ready to commit.

My 2 cents..

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance..., posted by Oscar on Aug 13, 2002

Oscar,
Commitment is not an issue. One's readiness to commit or not is individualized. Your idea of "being ready to commit" may mean "ready to work one's arse off to find Ms. right". Another mans "ready to commit" may mean he is actively pursuing women with the intent to marry when he finds the right one. Just because I don't systematically write 4000 women, screen down to 100 suitable women, then email the crap out that 100 until I find 3.5 that are "perfect" then chase them hard and heavy....doesn't mean I'm not ready to commit. You have your way, I have mine. I prefer to have a good time, take it easy, not look to hard and if she comes along.....GREAT. If not, great. Realize this, one can look entirely too hard.

Mark H.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the chance..., posted by Oscar on Aug 13, 2002

Oscar,

Mark is serious, my take is  he is just not concerned about being as methodical about all of this. His statement of having fun to me means that this is just how he has to go about the serious nature of finding a wife.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get the ch..., posted by thesearch on Aug 13, 2002

Search,

I'm sorry but from seeing all that Mark has written and how he has done his trips he's talked about, I do not think he is very serious at all about finding a wife right now, which is FINE, no problem.  I don't care if he is serious or not, that's his business.  But in the vast majority of cases where a man here has found his wife in the FSU, there has been some real effort, planning and plain hard work involved..  Certainly a man doesn't have to write to 4,000 women etc., as he suggested, but contacting and having distilled down to 7-8 women to meet in a city who he might have found some good common ground with prior to going would be a start.  
As has been discussed in other posts, having 20 women to meet the first few days of a 3 week trip is very reasonable..  Not just bumping into women or going straight to an agency and just picking girls out a catalogue once there, but doing some research and homework and putting in some time before going.  Serious guys do some planning, those who are just looking to "have a good time" do not.

My opinion..

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody get th..., posted by Oscar on Aug 13, 2002

Dude,
Why are you so preoccupied with busting my balls? Look, if you want to spend an enormous amount of time looking for your girl....great. It's like everychance you get you have to reiterate that "Mark H is looking just for a good time and is not serious". Dude, are you in love with me or something? Give it a rest, do your thing and I'll do mine. I'm flattered that I appear to be on your mind 24/7...but really man, get another hobby.

Mark H.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody ge..., posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Mark,

This is my last post to you.  You are a waste of space here IMO.  Five trips over and you haven't learned a thing.  
I said in my last post that if you are not really serious about finding a wife, I don't care, that's your business.  And then I realized who you were from a few other posters- the guy who stood up Galina (Jacks manager) in Dnepropetrovsk after all the work she went to to line up a ton of ladies for you to see.  You just blew them all off!  Well, that was a crappy and irresponsible thing to do Mark, I remember being shocked when I heard it when it happened!
I don't think you are serious at all and yes, that is your business but I do feel bad for the women because as I said before, 98% of them are VERY serious!  So I have little patience for guys like you who make the rest of us look bad by standing women up and likely making promises you never intend to keep.

And as far as your comments about Jack Bragg.  Let me tell you something-  This guy has spent more time with me than you could know since last Oct/Nov, and he has NEVER asked me for a dime in "consulting fees"!  I went over and had his people pick me up here and drop me off there (for very reasonable fees), Galina (his Ukrainian manager) was my interpreter in Dnepropetrovsk and she was very reasonable at like $5 per hour!  She helped me a lot there and was instrumental in helping me to find my fiance.  
I can send money to my girl by Western Union for a $50 fee or I can send it to Jack, who sends it to Galina, who takes it to my girl FOR 5 BUCKS and Jack doesn't make a stinking penny!  When I had a problem at my flat (the phone went out), he got me out and into another flat immediately, even getting some of my money back for the day the phone didn't work from the owners of the flat!!  During my trip, he called me at my flat, just to see how things were going etc..  
Do we always agree on everything? No!  Our feelings about exactly how to go about the whole process differ some, but he has helped me a tremendous amount!  Does he sometimes get frustrated and lose his temper with men?  Yes.  I think if I had to deal with some of the boneheads he has to everyday, who won't listen and who stand girls up when they have promised to meet them etc., I would be losing my temper sometimes too!

You are cynical, sarcastic, and really generally pretty nasty, and as Jack said, I also feel badly for any girl who happens to be scammed BY YOU in future.  I think she would be sobbing about her story on the RW board within 3 months of being here!

Grow up, your profile says you are 38, try acting like it..

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybod..., posted by Oscar on Aug 14, 2002

Oscar,
good luck in the future. I'm glad your situation has worked out for you. Things are not always as they seem or appear to be..regardless of who is telling you the so called facts. Keep up the good advertising, I used to have the same deal worked out. I think it went something like this "post as much as you can on the board about a certain business and I'll give you your stuff for free". Hmmmmm.

Mark H.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not ever..., posted by Mark H on Aug 14, 2002

Well, just so you understand, I RARELY mention Jack on this board, he would be the first to tell you that..

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not ..., posted by Oscar on Aug 14, 2002

Oscar, it is a good thing you were an honorable, sincere, serious man and you followed thru with your obligations to meet all the ladies waiting for you. If you had not, you would have lost all your free priviages.

Come to think of it, by following thru with your commitments, you met your wife in Dnepropetrovsk didn't you? It is evident to me that you were serious about finding a bride. I often wonder Oscar as to why some guys go thru the motion, pretending to be serious, saying they are serious to find a Russian bride, if they really are not.

Oh well, we have all types of guys in this pursuit. I prefer to only work with serious guys but sometimes even I am fooled.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by Jack on Aug 15, 2002

Jack,

Yes, I had actually gone first to Dnepropetrovsk, met 10-12 women, of which my girl was one, and spent pretty much a week with her. Then I had to leave and go to Odessa as I had women waiting there I had committed to meeting.  I told my girl that I had made prior committments to meet some other women and that it would be very rude and unkind of me not to follow through.  She really respected me for it too, not that she was thrilled of course.  It was hard but I left my girl and went to Odessa.  I met all the women there I was supposed to meet (10 or 12) but missed my girl in Dnepro a lot.  So then went back to Dnepro and spent the last 2 weeks with her.  I was glad I met these other women because all it did was make me more certain that I had made the right choice..

Oscar

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not everybody ge..., posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

fdas

... in response to Now I get it, one of Jack's cronnies!!! ..., posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

fda

... in response to Sorry dude, be cool and good luck.   n/t, posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Oscar has already found hsi lady.

The only luck he needs now is getting her through the INS hurdle (like the rest of us!)

... in response to Actually, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 13, 2002

Mark, I know he has and I'm happy for him. I just wanted to apologize for letting someone else make me crabby and lash out at Oscar. That's all. Did you get my email the other day?

Mark H.

... in response to Re: Actually, posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Yeah... just got back from Pittsburgh about an hour ago, and haven't gotten to all of my email yet... thought I would start here and see what I was missing.

Wow! One thing about you, Mark, you seem to draw a ton of responses!

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Mark,
I think the term "fished out" has more to do with the attitude about foreign men than the number of women.  In an area where foreign men have gone a lot and for a long time, women in the agencies can tend to become somewhat spoiled and demanding.  When many rich foreign men keep throwing money at them right and left, it's not hard to imagine why.  New women coming into the agencies ofen want to know the scoop from the women with experience, so they also can (not always) become jaded rather quickly.  In areas like Moscow and St Petes, there are thousands and thousands of women who have learned well how to "play the game" and they certainly pass on their information and experience to newbie girls, so it becomes increasingly difficult (not impossible) to find a woman who does not!  
Most inexperienced first timers to the FSU usually end up in one of the main "fished out" areas like Moscow, St. Petes or Kiev and don't always have the best experience.  Many of the women there have learned to play these newbie men like fiddles!

I found my girl in Dnepropetrovsk.  Few men go there.  I met probably 15 women there and there were only 3 who had ever met an American man before and then only once.  They were so much more polite and prompt and in my experience much more "sincere" than 98% of the women I ever met in Moscow or Kiev, I couldn't believe the difference!

This was MY particular experience in 4 trips to the FSU.  Other guys may have different feelings about it.  But knowing what I know now, I would never go back to one of the big hubs (as much as I do like Kiev).  I would stick to the more out of the way places, not necessarily smaller (Dnepropetrovsk is about 3 or 5 million people (I forget which), a huge industrial city, but few American men visit there because there don't seem to be many agencies there and it's not a "pretty" city like Kiev or Odessa.

Just my opinion..
Oscar

... in response to Re: Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Oscar on Aug 12, 2002

Oscar,

 Please, don't be telling Mark about Dnepropetrovsk women! That's a sore subject with us.

... in response to Re: Re: Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Jack on Aug 12, 2002

Sorry Jack, I don't get it???

... in response to ???, posted by Oscar on Aug 12, 2002


Mark H went to Ukraine and had Jack set up some meetings for him.

Originally, Mark was supposed to go to Dep- but then changed his mind, and stayed in Kiev.

Jack's take is that since he said he was going, he should have honored his commitment and gone.

Mark's take was that it was his trip, and his money, and if he wanted to "call an audible" and stay in Kiev, that was his right.

It was a Big bruhaha... you can go back in the archives and read all about it...

... in response to Check the archives, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 13, 2002

All I can say is, that he should have definitely gone to Dnepropetrovsk..  But personally, I really do not see Mark as being serious about actually finding a wife from his comments, just in having a "good time", and you can do that in any major hub, like Kiev..

... in response to Oh yeah, I remember..., posted by Oscar on Aug 13, 2002

Well, I would never want to predict someone's motivations from posts on here...

But I think MarkH is, in fact, serious... he just wants to distance himself from those guys who have reached a point of desperation in their search -- as in: "I have to find a wife now!"

I think he is simply trying to emphasize that he is in no rush, and is willing to take his time... and that just because you go over, and come back and you are not engaged, it does not mean that you "failed".

It is not a bad attitude to take...

... in response to Re: Oh yeah, I remember..., posted by MarkInTx on Aug 13, 2002

Right on Mark, very well put. Get ready dude, fireworks are flying. Jack Bragg is up to his old tricks and wants a piece of me....I love it. He's such a predictable person.

Mark H.

... in response to Re: Re: Oh yeah, I remember..., posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

Why'd you decide to scrap your plans to go see the lady from... wherever the hell that was... can't remember now.. just remember it wasn't Russia!

(Still think you ought to try Kherson...)

... in response to So... what made you change your mind?, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 13, 2002

Why Kherson? What do you know that I don't? Give it up Mark.....:)  I'm vacilating between two girls. Just when I thought I had my mind made up....the other sends me the sweetest email and the vascilation begins all over again. Perhaps I go to Kherson if things don't work out. WHen are you going next?

Mark H.

... in response to Re: So... what made you change your mind..., posted by Mark H on Aug 13, 2002

What do I know about Kherson...?

Well... besides the fact that I met my woman there, I guess I don't know much :-)

And I was told that the MOST beautiful women in all of the FSU come from Kherson... (as someone pointed out... who would argue with a woman when she tells you this!)

And, I think A Kherson Rose is a stand-up agency there. I've chatted with both Tim and his wife (who is from there) and they seem like really good people.

As for your vacilation... I think that it is too early to choose...

Keep writing them both. Keep checking plane tickets.

It will become obvious.

A funny thing happened to me last week. We were at Kennywood park (the best kept secret in America... probably the best amusement park in the States, and hardly anyone knows about it!)

Anyway, we were with my whole family, and we were splitting up. Half were going to go ride bumper cars, and half were going to ride "The Thunderbolt" (voted the world's best coaster recently...)

My youngest nephew was on the fence. He wanted to do both, and couldn't choose. So, my brother says: "OK, how about we flip a coin?"

He agrees. Heads the bumper cars, Tails the Thunderbolt.

Coin goes up and comes down... Heads.

My nephew says: "Oh darn!"

And, after we are all done laughing, we take him to the Thunderbolt.

The point is that it really wasn't a toss-up. It really never is in life.

You already know which way to go... you need to just trust yourself and do it.

Or... do this...

Flip a coin. And do it by a friend. When the coin is in the air, have your friend snatch it away and ask you -- right then -- "Which are you hoping it comes down as?"

Then get yer buttocks on a plane. Stop acting like you're a college student. You can afford $1200 or $2000 or whatever.

Just go!

... in response to My Advice, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 13, 2002

t4rwe

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Mark, I am sending quite a few fisherman to St. Pete every month. Those with the right bait are getting nibbles, the fisherman are reeling them in, checking there size and shape and either keeping them or throwing them back into the pool for future fisherman.

St. Pete and Moscow are no where close to being fished out, HOWEVER men from Topeka Kansas, or Little Rock or Eugene Oregon (etc, etc) will have a very difficult time in finding a Moscow or St. Pete lady who will be able to adjust to such a vast change in lifestyle. Ladies from St. Pete and Moscow can live there entire life and never own a car, never drive a car. With such an effective and effecient mass transit system, they will never need a car! They walk 100 meters to nearest metro station, then 200 meters to work, another 100 meters to shop. These ladies don't buy a weeks worth of groceries at a time, they buy groceries to last for two days! Walk, walk, walk, any wonder they are in such beautiful, sensual shape.

You can send a country girl to the city, but you can't send a city girl to the country. And before those few get all up in arms and tell me that there wife from St. Petersburg is happily in love with him in his city of Tulsa, or his Moscow lady loves Jackson Mississippi, SURE there are exceptions, but it is a LOW percetage of these ladies who can (or want too) adjust to such a tremendous change.

St. Pete and Moscow are not even close to being fished out, but the places these ladies can relocate to will eliminate a lot of fisherman.

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Jack on Aug 12, 2002

Here's something I wrote about a year ago:

http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/asian/archives/a000064.php?action=display&id=23409

-- Jeff S.

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Jack on Aug 12, 2002

It's not Tulsa... but it ain't New York, either...

... in response to Fished out?///?/?/??//?, posted by Jack on Aug 12, 2002

as usual I am humbled by your wisdom in such matters. However, if you keep them busy and take alot of vacations, any chick will be happy anywhere....don't you think so?

Mark H.

... in response to All good points...., posted by Mark H on Aug 12, 2002

Well, I am sure it will help to buy time while building the all important strengths of the relationship.

And once a good Russian woman truly falls in love with her man, then she will more easily accept a lot of places in which to live. (except maybe Jackson, Mississippi)