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Title: Novosibirsk Article - Pizza (below) Post by: jg on July 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM This is not a flame starter and Eric Shogren does not need
defending; he has not been attacked. He can take care of himself; being a big boy (metaphorically and literally). I imagine a quick and stunning high stick would be his opener. No, this is to benefit us all in terms of quality of thought and presumption of knowledge. Newspapers tell a story, usually not the whole story, and so it is here. One reply suspects a front end load of cash and easy pickin's. ES has survived Ruble devaluations and other failed ideas, for a long time he scrambled to survive. I doubt (IMHO) the poster is in the food busines or has tried to conduct, operate or manage a business in Russia. Worse, his implication was this can be simple and easy. And how easy is it to find a wife? It does not sound difficult.... Eric met Olga in this country. It was a dissappearing scholarship due to bad knees that took him out of higher education. The good side was meeting her, a graduate student doing MBA work. They did not plan to live in Russia. The house is nice, it reminds me of whole neighborhoods of lot line mansions in Sugarland, just southwest of Houston. It is unusual because it sits in a birch forrest outside Novosibirsk, close to dachas of city dwellers and humble izbas. Truly an island of western surrroundings on the inside, it is not ostentatious (by American standards). There is 24 hour security, more as a realization of the cowboy nature of some of the local players than fear of the major villians. It would profit no one to destroy him and hurt many. The "bad guys" tried to duplicate his ideas and learned it is easy to steal but not manage a real business. Now he is too big, too wired, and well connected to steal from. Yes, he pays the help regularly and well. Many do not understand, people will work for less. This is a man with big family and support systems to maintain, he wears jeans and looks and acts like us. His touch is not golden, it is resolve and determination and real smart insight and sensitivity that accounts for this success. He aint perfect, some businesses failed, he eats to much and can not return emails very well (hear me Eric?). Still, he dont blow his own horn much and no one probably knows all of his charitable works, many of them major. Olga contributes more than kids and to liken her efforts to some American Doctors wife given a business to amuse and not lose too much money is really humorous (when you know her). So, review the article and the comments and these additional words and learn......maybe even apply this knowledge to our search and remain optomistic as others have shown success. Title: Re: Novosibirsk Article - Pizza (below) Post by: Ramblin on August 02, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Novosibirsk Article - Pizza (below), posted by jg on Jul 31, 2002
Just wondering, did the guy speak Russian when he first arrived to start a business in Novo??? How did he go about getting well connected being a foreigner new to the area? Title: Re: Re: Novosibirsk Article - Pizza (below) Post by: jg on August 02, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Novosibirsk Article - Pizza (below), posted by Ramblin on Aug 2, 2002
Do not believe he spoke Russian and is still not great at it. Only contacts were his mentioned in the story (people he met in USA), and Olgas' family. Title: What is your Post by: thesearch on August 02, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Novosibirsk Article - Pizza (bel..., posted by jg on Aug 2, 2002
connection or interest in all of this? Title: Re: What is your Post by: jg on August 03, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to What is your, posted by thesearch on Aug 2, 2002
I have met Eric and liked him and he was kind and helpful to me. The original comments on the article were not very astute. I tried to offer enlightment from the point of first hand experience. There are those among us not always perceptive. I hoped to illustrate that as an object lesson for all in this endeavor. Also, it is a happy story with valuable lessons for us all (kindness, persistence). Not to flame, but to help (NTF,BTH). Title: Re: Interesting article on cheap labor Post by: wsbill on July 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Novosibirsk Article - Pizza (below), posted by jg on Jul 31, 2002
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