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I'm in the midst of a site-wide redesign and one of the new things I'm doing is reporting what domain names (urls) and owned by each agency.  I've been collecting the data all along, but am only now displaying it.  There's one guy who's got 46 East Europen sites.  I knew some guys were creating multiple sites trying to get a bigger market share, but I had no idea anyone could create this many.

http://www.planet-love.com/russian/profiles/105.php

... in response to Interesting agency information, posted by Patrick on Jul 7, 2002

I used one true love a long time ago. The guy in charge is named Larry Anthony Gucciardo. 2 years ago he was setting up websites for different agencies located in Russia and Ukraine. But he also listed all of those ladies at his site and the codes for the ladies on all of the sites seem to match. I haven't used them for about 2 years but I still receive weekly e-mail updates from them.

... in response to Interesting agency information, posted by Patrick on Jul 7, 2002

I think she used to work for the Blue Sapphire Agency and split off a couple of years ago.  Seems like a good agency to use for trips to Belarus but I didn't end up going.

... in response to Re: Interesting agency information, posted by BubbaGump on Jul 7, 2002

Wonder if the anti-scam folks are paying attention.

... in response to Re: Interestingly eastmeetswest is on th..., posted by wsbill on Jul 8, 2002

What's up with East Meets West? I can't find anything on them in the archives?

... in response to Re: Re: Interestingly eastmeetswest is o..., posted by Alfred on Jul 8, 2002

They are a recommend Agency.  

Looks kinda cheezy now that they're associated with the same company.

----tell me this is not equitable....
It should be noted anyone can have a website in there choosen name for about $200-300 a year,($35 for the name and web access providers charge about $165).  Get yourself a couple of russian/ukrainian website developers and your in business or if you have talents you could have your own biz up and running.  

You can understand how financially suitable this idea is if you have alot of dudes buying addresses and services that actually feed into one company behind a bunch of store fronts.

... in response to Re: Interestingly eastmeetswest is on th..., posted by wsbill on Jul 8, 2002

Antiscam.net lists Kherson Pearls, which has had less than stellar reports made about it hear on Planet Love.

... in response to Re: Re: Speakingn of Antiscam.net, posted by Richard on Jul 8, 2002

I have had a talk with the owner of anti-scam about Kherson Pearls. He said he had not heard anything bad. I sent him a lot of what was reported here on P-L.

Saul said he was aware of many of those reports but didn't know any of them to be first-hand reports. You want a first-hand report, I then proceeded with telling Saul my own personal experience with this Natasha at Kherson Pearls and how a client bought her address from Anastasia, we delivered letter and rose, to guess where,...office of Kherson Pearls!

This client from Italy made arrangements to be driven to the center of Kherson to meet this beautiful lady. He got a driver and interperter for the day, $60. Natasha refused to let him meet this lady unless he used her driver and interperter, at $100.  The two never met. Now I asked Saul, did this agency owner have her clients best interest in mind, or was she (the agency owner) only concerened about her own interest (money)?

Saul discussed everything I sent him with this Natasha at Kherson Pearls, but I have never any reply back.

Saul is a very good man and very much against scam. But I think he personnaly believes that Natasha and Kherson Pearls is good.

No one agency is perfect. If this one agency get's by Saul, with the good he does, the good he has done, will far out weigh any mistake made with this one agency.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Speaking of Antiscam.net, posted by Jack on Jul 8, 2002

I guess I agree with "Saul" from antiscam.net that "Natasha and Kherson Pearls is good."  I have had multiple personal dealings with Natasha and Kherson Pearls and I trust them to be a recommended agency.  I have had mostly positive results with them and a few drawbacks; pros and cons like most other things in life.  

I think Patrick asks that posters detail their own personal experiences with agencies before posting warnings or recommendations so, because I have seen two semi-negative posts about Kherson Pearls in a row, I'll post details of my own personal experience with them and maybe someone out there can make their own informed decision about whether to use them or not.

I think the best thing anyone can say about any agency is that they do what they promise (and its even better if they do it at reasonable prices, but I guess free markets dictate prices more than any individual agency does...Econ 101...so, whatever).  Well, Kherson Pearls did for me what they promised, and they did it at fair prices.  

The first time I dealt with Kherson Pearls was last August.  I was dealing with three different agencies in Kherson at the time because each agency had different women I wanted to meet.  I guess I did the individual "multiple meetings" trip rather than a "tour" because I met different girls from different agencies each day I was there.  Kherson Pearls has provided private car transportation for me at different times between Odessa and Kherson for $60 each way (which was the lowest price I found anywhere) and they provided an interpreter for me in Kherson at $5.00 per hour (which was the lowest price I found anywhere).  They also saved me $300 on my last trip to Ukraine in February by calling the Hotel Odessa Kempinski in Odessa to cancel my reservations after I missed my flight from Kiev to Odessa (because of the fog rolling in from the Black Sea in Odessa) and they met me at the Kherson train station after my cancelled flight and terrible train trip and even took me to my hotel...all for free!!!  They introduced me to the women I wanted to meet (some were better looking than their picture and some were not) and sometimes they did this on a moment's notice (yes, I changed my mind once or twice).  Some of the meetings went well and some went not so well.  But I don't blame the agency for that.  Kherson has an abundance of girls (I call them "professional daters") who seem to want to meet American men just for the nice dinner and the nice night out and maybe even the presents some American men bring for them.  But I don't blame the agency for that.  After a "no show" meeting I could look through their catalogue and say "I want to meet her" and "Bam!" a quick phone call or two and the next meeting was arranged.  Yes, there were some "no shows" and some "late shows" but they never charged me for them.  Instead, they did all they could do to quickly arrange another meeting for me, and that was good.  They also gave me positive feedback after some of the meetings with the girls, and that was good.  

After I left Kherson last August, Kherson Pearls added a few new girls to their site and I asked them to videotape a few of the girls so I could get a better idea of what they were like, and they did that.  To see a girl in her own home talking to me, saying "hello 'JohnnyDudeMan' maybe we'll meet here in Kherson?" and seeing the girl show me her pet parrot was pretty cool, and it was a great way to gauge whether I wanted to meet her (I did, and even went to see her in her home on my next trip).  They even added a few extra girls to the video that they thought I would like (which later lead to my little Kherson "models party") and they hand delivered my video to a friend of mine who happened to be in Kherson so he could bring it back with him.  That was good.  Then, when I was in Moscow last October, Natasha helped arrange for a Kherson girl (one of the girls on the video) to fly to Moscow to meet me.  They even went to meet with the girl's family and vouched for me and Natasha made arrangements for everything...and that was good (too bad the girl's mother liked me more than the girl did).  They have also delivered flowers to girls in Kherson for me and that was good.  They even tried to soothe the feelings of one girl I had met with when that girl saw me flirting with another girl at a disco.  That was helpful.  They even helped make arrangements for me to meet a few other girls in Kherson whose addresses I bought from other agencies and they had no problem with that.  They just charged me their standard rate for meetings and interpreter...and that was good.  I mean, I wanted to meet the girls and I think its fair that they should make some money by making the arrangements.  So I paid and it was fair.  They also helped set me up at a new hotel in Kherson that I had never heard of, which saved me from some cold lonely nights at the Fregat.  All the personal service I got from Natasha and Kherson Pearls was very very good.  

There were also a few drawbacks.  They left me hanging once because they were busy with another client in town.  That was bad.  They also failed to tell me in advance that one of my "top girls" would be out of town while I was there, and that SCKED!  They also charged me once for a flower delivery to a bad address (purchased from another agency) because they said they had bought the flowers and went to deliver the flowers to the address before they realized the address was bad.  That was questionable (but grudgingly forgiveable).  They also added some of the girls--whose addresses I bought from other agencies--to their own site and I didn't really like seeing that...but they got the girls' consent and I don't think that's such an uncommon practice in the RW/UW dating biz.  I mean, I  KNOW of some agencies which buy girls' addresses and add them to their own site.

So, like everything else, Kherson Pearls has pros and cons.  I would definitely use them again and recommend them to others because, overall, they do what they promise and the pros FAR outweighed the cons in my experience.  I don't think they sell individual addresses but they do help arrange personal introductions with different girls and they offer good personal service and they do a good job.  I think its fair that they should expect a fair price for that.

... in response to "Natasha and Kherson Pearls is good..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jul 9, 2002

Sounds like the trip went well for you but what about before the trip?  Did you write any letters?  They do not sell addresses?  Did you have any correspondence before your trip?  Did they promise the first letter and reply for free?  Did you get any responses or indications from ladies that they would meet you before you went to Kherson?

... in response to Question, posted by Ramblin on Jul 12, 2002

No, I never wrote a single email or letter to a single girl in Kherson before I went.  I am not a believer that I can get to really know someone through emails.  I've tried that...doesn't work for me.  I know that people only reveal what they choose to reveal of themselves in emails and over the internet (I mean, guess what...my name's not really "JohnnyDudeMan") and often only after much reflection and calculation about what they will write.  I mean, some of the best scammers out there have the knack of writing precisely what they know the man wants to hear, and the man often falls for it.  So, I think the best way to get an impression of a person is to meet in person.  However, I did write many letters to Natasha, the owner of Kherson Pearls, before I went.  She offers an introduction service that is kind of like matchmaking, I guess.  I told her some things about me and about what I was looking for and I told her which of her girls I was specifically interested in meeting.  I also told her of my concern and hesitation in going to Kherson.  My only concern was whether the girls on her site were real (they are) and whether they would meet with me (they did).  So, when I got there, Natasha arranged all the meetings with the girls around my schedule.  I did not even have to think about who, where, and when.  I did sometimes throw a wrench in the machinery and chose to meet a different girl at a different time and place...and they worked with me.  It was all part of their service and it was good.  They did not stand in the way of our exchanging contact information and they even sent me the phone number of some of the girls that I forgot to ask.  I did some followup meetings with some girls on my own and I did some followup meetings with some of the girls through the agency.  My choice.  The girls were real (and real pretty) and the agency arranged the meetings and gave me feedback from some of the girls after the meetings and they never stood between me and the girls after we had met.  So, overall, I appreciated their service and it was a good experience.

... in response to "Natasha and Kherson Pearls is good..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jul 9, 2002

Hey dude man, I thought we discussed this on the phone briefly some time ago.

Maybe you and I can have a civilized debate over this.

I seem to re-call several posters about two and a half months ago discussing there feelings about Kherson Pearl. It's in the archives and you should be able to find the discussions. I guess all these guys are mistaken and they really did receive good service and really didn't get scammed!

But let's not go into what other guys have claimed with regards to there bad experince with Kherson Pearl dude man, in my little debate with you I will only discuss my own personal experince with kind, caring, Natasha at Kherson Pearls.

I have a client going on our fall tour to Odessa. We will call him Stefano and he is from Italy. While looking thru the Anastasia catalog he see's a beautiful young woman named Elena and he has great interest in her. She lives in Kherson so Stefano ask's me if it would be possiable to meet this woman and I replied that if she has sincere interest to meet him, then yes we can arrange such a meeting.

So he buys this ladies address from Anastasia and we develope a well written letter and with two of his best photos we hand deliver this letter with a single red rose.

Well, to our surprise, the address that we bought from Anastasia for this woman Elena is really the address to Kherson Pearls! Hummphhh, now, I wonder what's up with that dude man? (you don't see anything wrong with that for starters do you?)  Ok, so we go inside and ask if Elena might be in, she is not, and we ask if we might be able to have her address. Yes, if we want to buy her address it is possiable. But we have already bought her address, you mean we have to buy it again?  The people in the office offered to deliver the letter and rose to Elena and since the delivery person was not authorized to buy this address, they did not and left the rose and letter for Elena.

Well, a few days later to Stefano's great delight, he receives an e-mail from Elena (as his e-mail addrsss was included in the letter). They exchange a few e-mails and Stefano is greatly excited. "When can we go to see her", he ask's? Well, Stefano, since you will be in Odessa in three days, I guess we can try to see her on Tuesday or Wednesday. So he writes Elena (sends e-mail) and tells her he will be there to see her on Wednesday,...... she is excited, he is excited!

On Monday we begin to make preparations for Stefano to go to Kherson. We get one of our good drivers with good autos and speaks good English and we get him a good deal of $60 for the day. The driver leaves Odessa at 9am, we get to Kherson at 11am, Stefano and Elena meet in the center, have lunch, walk around, talk, visit, get to know each other. He was going to stay until about 6 or 7 pm and then have the driver take him back to Odessa.

So we write the office of Kherson Pearls and ask where and what time will we meet Elena. Natasha writes back that there driver will bring Stefano to there location and arrange for the meeting. We inform Natasha that Stefano already has a driver and will be in Kherson at 11am. Could they not meet an outside cafe or something? Natasha said that she would send a driver and an interperter to Odessa and pick him up and arrange for a about a three hour meeting and the charge would be $100. "You don't understand Natasha, the client already has everything arranged. He will be in your city at 11am, he already has a driver and interperter, and at a much better price and he would just like to meet Elena in the center, as she has great interest to meet him. "No, you don't understand", she replies. 'If you want to meet one of our ladies, YOU WILL USE OUR driver, OUR interperter".

So then I write Natasha back and ask if we can just have Elena's address, as we have already bought it once, and it turned out to really be the address of your office, could you just please provide us with Elena's address or phone number.

Natasha never replied back,...... the two never met. It was somewhat sad and I felt sorry for both Stefano and this Elena. I also felt anger that this Natasha could care less about helping to arrange for one of the ladies in her agency to meet a man who was willing to drive to her city, to her agency, to meet this woman.

Now dude man, first I was thinking that maybe you didn't get scammed by this outfit because maybe it had something to do with you. But then I re-call you got scammed by this outfit, we won't mention it's name, from Novosirbirsk. So I know it's possiable for you to get scammed, I just cannot explain why you got such great service from this company and so many others, like myself, do not. Look at the number of complaints posted to number of good replies. I think you stand alone.

My question to you dude man, if this good and great Natasha has her client, Elena's, best interest at heart, if she is really trying to help this woman, and all her ladies, find a good, sincere man, which Stefano is, why would good Natasha not allow her client to meet this man who was willing to come to see her?

Why would good Natasha refuse to help cordinate the meeting, why would she refuse to give the ladies address or phone number, why did she not help for these two to meet since they both had a sincere interest?

The answer dude man is because your good Natasha was more concerned about how much money she could make and if she could not make any money she was not going to allow her client to meet this man who had great interest in her client and who was willing to drive to the city and see her. It was her bluff, "They will pay me, if he wants to meet her, they will pay me".

Any GOOD agency owner is going to have there clients best interest at heart,......period!!!  This Natasha could care less about her client meeting this man, because she was not going to make any money, other than what she made from the few e-mail letters that went back and forth, and dudeman, that was not enough money for your good Natasha, she wanted more!

Nope dude man, I will disagree with you on this one all day long.

... in response to Major disagreement, posted by Jack on Jul 9, 2002

Hey, Jack I'd rather not discuss the details of our private phone conversations on this public board...if you know what I mean.  Private phone conversations are meant to be private and discrete, and public postings on a bulletin board are not.  

But overall, I'll stand by my post and maintain that I had a good experience with Kherson Pearls and I dealt with them on more than one occasion.  They have done many things for me above and beyond what I expected and paid for, and they have also let me down in smaller ways.  I discussed this in my post.

Too bad your guy did not meet Elena.  She sounds quite special for a guy to be willing to travel all that way just to meet her.

But I think Kherson Pearls is more of an "introduction agency" rather than a "selling addresses agency" and going through them and using their services and paying their price is kind of the point.  Don't you think?  I mean that's what they do.  Its their agency and they have made their own rules.  Like my Daddy used to tell me back home, "as long as you live under my roof, you will live by my rules" (I left home at 17 to "make my own destiny" and live by my own rules...and I don't take "tours" either).  You can use Kherson Pearls, or not.  And if you use them and pay them for their services, I hope you will have the same positive experience with them as I had.  If you don't want to use them...don't.  But if you choose to use them, please expect to play by their rules.

You say its a shame your guy never met his girl.  I say its a shame he was willing to travel all that way to meet his dreamgirl (because, let's face it...Kherson IS out of the way), but he was not willing to play by the agency's rules or pay their fee.  As they say in Vegas, "you've gotta play to win."  So, he didn't play and he had no chance to win.  That's also kind of too bad.  

I know Kherson Pearls has different services.  They offer "tours" at about $100 per day and they also offer individual introductions with an interpreter (if necessary).  Maybe your guy did not know to ask for the individual introduction option so they offered him the $100 tour price, but I learned about it by seeing it on their website and asking about it in my emails to them.  I forget the exact amount they charge per introduction, but its competitive with the other agencies in town.  I think they charge about $25 per meeting and the interpreter is free for the first hour and $5 an hour after that.  Fair enough price to pay, I think.  (Maybe its changed since I used them, you should check with them first).  That was the option I chose and I was happy because it freed me up to make my own choices and meet whomever I wanted rather than rely on an agency for a "tour."

You say your guy bought an address through Anastasia.  I have also bought at least one address from them that was incorrect and they gave me some credits to compensate me for this, upon proof.

You also say that there have been other negative posts from other guys about Kherson Pearls and its in the archives.  Well, I searched the archives and I didn't see too many negative posts.  I just saw a few posts and one of them was from you.  Another was from EuroPete.  And guess what?  I met EuroPete in Kherson last August and I saw him meeting with some girls from Kherson Pearls at the Cafe Bonnaire and he seemed pretty happy at the time.  I also met another guy (a friend of Pete's) who married a girl from another agency and that guy said some not so nice things about Kherson Pearls, but I saw him chatting with Natasha and Oksana (their main interpreter) and he never said what his problem was.  But then again, that guy also first recommended the agency where he met his girl and then he later criticized them.  So, that says something about the critics.

The thing is...how can anyone complain about an agency that promises introductions for a set price and then follows through with their promise and makes the introduction? That's what they do, and that's a good thing.  How can anyone complain about that?

You also question how "good Natasha (would) not allow her client to meet this man who was willing to come to see her?" and then you ask "why would good Natasha refuse to help cordinate the meeting, why would she refuse to give the ladies address or phone number, why did she not help for these two to meet since they both had a sincere interest?"  Wait...hold on there.  THEN you also say in the same post that she DID offer to do this.  And you also say she WAS willing to facilitate the meeting and introduction, but your man was not willing to pay her agency fee.  So, now I have a question for you.  If he was not willing to pay HER agency fee, then who's agency fee WAS he paying???  You also say, "any GOOD agency owner is going to have there clients best interest at heart,......period!!!"  And you criticize Natasha for being "more concerned about how much money" can be made rather than allowing her girls to "find a good, sincere man."  Hmmm.....  So, she should do this great favor for her special girls by introducing her special girls to these "good and sincere" men and not be so "concerned about how much money" is to be made?  Okay, Jack I like that.  That sounds good and I'll call you on that one.  I know of a good and sincere man who wants to meet a great and special Ukrainian girl.  And you know some of these great and special Ukrainian girls and you have their addresses and contact information.  So...how about doing your special girls a great favor by introducing them to some "good and sincere" men...for free?  I mean if you really have your "clients best interest at heart" and are not so "concerned about how much money."

Sure, I'll debate with you, or maybe we can just talk.  Give me a call. Or maybe we can have some fun talking over drinks when I come to Dallas next month.  Free drinks for the one with the best scam story, okay?  No, wait a minute...the one who has heard the most scam stories buys (I like my odds better there).

... in response to General disorder, posted by johnnydudeman on Jul 9, 2002

Dude man, I discussed nothing of a personl nature that you and I ever talked about over the phone in my post about good Natasha with Kherson Pearls.

I did mention you having a little problem in Novosibirsk, without mentioning any names or details and so if that is what you are referring too and offends you, then I do apolgize. But nothing that you and I spoke about relating to Kherson Pearls was mentioned in my post. Everything I mentioned here I have mentioned once before, before you and I ever spoke.

Ok, I will address some of your question to my reply, I will love debating you on my percieved morals of good Natasha! But first I will telephone you.

... in response to Re: General disorder, posted by Jack on Jul 9, 2002

Dude man,  as you have mentioned in your post's, you have paid for a lot for services from Kherson Pearls. You are to them, a real "cash cow". If they want to continue to rake in the dough from you, they had best continue to provide you with good service, things above and beyond what you expected to pay for.

Our client never agreed to, or entered into any type of business relations with Kherson Pearl. My client was, if the word scam is to severe, was 'tricked". Good Natasha sent the photo and profile of beautiful Elena to Anastasia and instead of giving Elena's real flat address, good Natasha gives them the address of Kherson Pearls!  Now why was this Dude man?  This doesn't seem a little un-ethical does it. Doesn't seem like a little trickery does it? (yes, trickery fit's good Natasha much better than the word scam) And how many men do you think purchased Elena's address from Anastasia, only to find that they were really dealing with Kherson Pearls? I would venture to say a lot. Now good Natasha is charging many men to use Kherson Pearls e-mail services to correspond with beautiful Elena, just as she did with Stefano. Almost seems like a racket, but we'll call it trickery, more fitting I think.

So no, Stefano was not playing by Kherson Pearls rules because he was not wanting to play with them. He had no desire to play with Kherson Pearl and only got involved due to "trickery". I am looking in the Ukraine marriage agency rule book now dude man and I do not see anywhere where Stefano was obligated to play by Kherson Pearls rules for simpling buying the address of a beautiful lady from the Anastasia catalog.

Dude man, how many times should a guy have to "buy" a woman's address? Wouldn't you think and agree that once should be enough? Or maybe it is one of Kherson Pearls rule that you buy the ladies address twice, once thru Anastasia, or whatever other larger agencies good Natasha will send her beautiful clients to without there actual real flat address, and a second time thru good Natasha's agency. Dude man, does good Natasha publish her rules somewhere so that guys can see them before they agree to play? Maybe some guys would take offense to having to pay twice for a woman's address.

Kherson is certainly not out of the way for any guys going to Odessa and in fact I would gustimate that about 15 to 18% of all our clients going to Odessa will also include a one or two day Kherson visit.

Our client was not interested in there $100 a day tour special. He only wanted to meet one lady whose address he bought from Anastasia. Good Natasha tried to force her rules on this client. Like I said, we didn't have a copy of the Kherson Pearls rule book, we didn't want to play with Kherson Pearls, only to meet a lady from Kherson whose address the client bought from the Anastasia catalog.

From your reply dude man,..."The thing is...how can anyone complain about an agency that promises introductions for a set price and then follows through with their promise and makes the introduction? That's what they do, and that's a good thing. How can anyone complain about that? ....Dude man, are you staying focused on our discussion, our debate, or you talking about someone else??  Where does this quote of yours come from? Are you talking about someone else who was dealing with Kherson Pearls and was not happy with the rules of Kherson Pearls? Dude man, you and I were talking about a man who bought an address from Anastasia, not from Kherson Pearls. Were talking about a man who was doing business with Anastasia, NOT Kherson Pearls! This client NEVER agreed to doing business with Kherson Pearls. Were talking about an agency here who with "trickery" got directly involved with a man who was trying to meet a woman WITHOUT the use of another agency!

Dude man, Elena in all likely-hood had to pay good Natasha to list her with her agency and to help her find a good husband. Most of the ladies who join these marriage agencies have to pay the agency to be listed. And in return, the agency is suppose to help the lady find a husband. I contend that good Natasha had the opportunity to introduce Elena to a man very serious to meet Elena. So serious that upon seeing her, he immediately bought her address and so serious about her that upon receiving her message, he decided to go to this city to see her. Good Natasha, having her clients best interest at heart, I would have thought she would have told Elena to be at the outside cafe down the street at 11:00am and Stefano will meet you there.

Or maybe good Natasha, like some scam agencies will do (not saying good Natasha is scam, just making note that scam agencies do this), does not have a real interest in getting there money makers married!  Why should she help Elena meet this man Stefano? She might really like him! She might get engaged to him, then good Natasha would lose one of her better money makers!

Nope dude man, doesn't add up to me. Good Natasha tells Stefano you can only meet her lady if he pays for her driver and her interperter. Good Natasha says "You cannot use your own driver and interperter, even if it is almost half the cost I charge, you must use my services or I will not allow you to meet my lady".

You call this woman good, I call her disgraceful and not truly trying to help her ladies find a husband!

... in response to Your turn dude man!, posted by Jack on Jul 9, 2002

[Just staying with the military rank themes we seem to have going in the subject lines here.]  

I've got a bad cold now and I'm losing my voice (to the delight of some).  So maybe I'll shoot some holes through your "spar"gument later.  "Cash cows" and "trickery" and "marriage agency rule books" and "Italian stallions?"  You're on a roll, Jack.  I don't even know where to begin.  But for now...I'll leave you with the infinite lowbrow wisdom of "Schultz" who I think said it best when he said, "I know nothing. I see nothing. I say nothing."

... in response to Colonel Klink, posted by johnnydudeman on Jul 9, 2002

....we'll let the subject die for now and will bring it up in a few weeks when your in Big D and you having had a couple of beers.

Hey MarkinTex,...errr I mean corporal La beau, you up for a few beers??

... in response to Ok Hogan,..., posted by Jack on Jul 9, 2002

I'm always up for a few beers. (Don't know if I can pass for a short frenchman... but I'll do my best...)

My rules for beer are very simple: I won't drink anything with Coors, Miller, or Bud in the name.

Shiner Bock, however, is always appreciated, and can be found in most places around here (as you know...) In fact, I think they serve it in some churches around here...

Who's buyin'?

... in response to Your turn dude man!, posted by Jack on Jul 9, 2002

Two things come to mind:

One: Stefano should have asked for three replacement addresses from Anastasia. (And, I do agree that if "Elena" was posted in Anastasia, she sould have used a real address... )

Two: The other common advice: Get the agency out of the middle. Why didn't he ask Elena for her address through email? Or, failing that, why couldn't he have set up the meeting through email?

... in response to One of the many lessons here..., posted by MarkInTx on Jul 9, 2002

Mark,

 One: Stefano had purchsed some other addresses from Anastasia a month or so earlier and he did get a credit for some of the bad addresses he had been given. Just as with you, when a client buys an address from another agency and we discover it is bad in the process of hand delivering a letter, flowers or sending by registered mail, I encourage the guys to ask for three replacement addresses, and to date I think all clients have received such. With regards to good Natasha's bad address, I think he (Stefano) was so bummed out on the deal and as he was already in Ukraine, it just wasn't something he had time for.

 Two: In his e-mails to Elena, through the Kherson Pearls agency, he did ask for her home address and phone number, a couple of times, but for some reason they were never given. Can you say "creative editing"!

 

... in response to Re: One of the many lessons here..., posted by Jack on Jul 9, 2002


That's really a shame.

I agree...

... in response to Major disagreement, posted by Jack on Jul 9, 2002

Jack,

After reading your post... I would fully agree that Natasha is greedy.

I would agree that she does not have her client's best interest at heart.

I would agree that the story you tell is sad and unfortunate.

I just don't agree that Kherson Pearls should be added to a scam site. At least not from what you said.

If the agency owner is trying to make "too much money" that is not a scam. It is greed, and avarice ... sure. There are a lot of words that might fit... greed, gluttony, avarice, cupidity... take your pick... just not scam, please...

I think we need to be careful with that term.

A scam, to me, is a con game. It is trying to get men's money without ever having any intention of having the man find a sincere woman.

To me it is like the difference between a card game in a Vegas casino, and a three card monte game in the back alleys.

You stand a chance of losing a lot of money at both games, but in the three card monte, you stand no chance of ever winning. It's rigged. Its a con. IT'S A SCAM.

Now... Should men stay away from the agency? I would. There are better agencies in Kherson.

... in response to Greed vs. Scam, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 9, 2002

I will agree with mark's use of the term "scam" and that we should not throw that word around so freely when there are some REAL scams out there.  

As for greed.  Yeah.  I saw lots and lots of that in Ukraine and Russia.  Every taxi driver wants to charge Americans more if they can get away with it and the trains and shows and museums and circuses all seem to have special higher prices for Americans.  I also had a situation where I had just bought a phone card at the phone company building outside the smaller airport in Kiev and I tried to use the phone company card in the phone company phone and the phone company worker there wanted to charge me $5 just to show me how to use it.  Yeah, greed is prevalent there.

... in response to Greed vs. Scam, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 9, 2002

You say there are better agencies in Kherson?  So, which agencies in Kherson have you personally used there, mark?

... in response to mark used an agency in Kherson?, posted by johnnydudeman on Jul 9, 2002

I used "A Kherson Rose" to deliver flowers and chocolate to Victoria on a couple of occasions.

The owner is from Kherson, and married a guy from OKC.

There were a few posts about them a little while back. Some 50 year old guy was upset with them because they wouldn't line up 19 year olds for him to date while he was there. I thought this was a good testament for their sertvice, so I used them when I had to send things to Victoria.

They gave me very personal service, and charged me a fair price.

The owner personally delivered the flowers, since she was in Kherson. And she took the time to sit down and visit with Victoria and her father. They sent me a picture of Victoria receiving the flowers.

I thought it was great service, and I would use them again in a heartbeat.

... in response to A Kherson Rose, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 9, 2002

You wrote "there are better agencies in Kherson."  But you don't really KNOW because you only used one agency and only on a limited basis and you have nothing else in Kherson to compare them to.  Hmmm...let's see...you had limited contact with one Kherson agency...and they paid some attention to you...and they treated you well over the internet...and now that makes you think they are a better agency???  Well, mark, that says a lot your selection process and about the extent of your demands.  I hope that's not the same way you go about selecting more important things in life, such as, say...a wife.

... in response to couldn't resist, posted by johnnydudeman on Jul 9, 2002

Well... they certainly charged me a very nominal rate, and delivered what they said they would.

If you think Kherson Pearls is so much better... you are welcome to use them.

Once again, my comment was: "I wouldn't use them."

And I wouldn't.

Feel free to take whatever shots makes you feel better...

... in response to Re: couldn't resist, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 9, 2002

Kherson Pearls = scam agency that fleeces their clients.

Kherson Rose = small mom and pop agency with personal service and a good track record.

Scam agencies don't always screw over all of their clients, just the ones that are easy to scam.

-blm

... in response to Kherson Pearls vs Kherson Rose..., posted by BarryM on Jul 9, 2002

I don't know about that...maybe you know something I don't.  But I did not get fleeced by Kherson Pearls; they did a good job for me.  

I have never worked with that other agency but I think they have some REAL old profiles not updated since 2000 and which the "good track record" agency suggests on their own website that there have been only 1 or 2 address requests for that girl over the past two years, and "that just don't sound right."  I have met girls who are posted on both websites.  But overall, and from what I have seen, I think Kherson Pearls has the most pretty girls of all the Kherson agencies.

... in response to "Natasha and Kherson Pearls is good..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jul 9, 2002

Last year Natasha helped a girl scam thousands of $$$ from me, I totally believe Natasha received a portion of that money. When the scam became known, Natasha spread many lies about me, and called me names for no reason.  Natasha has many girls on her site that are just in it for the dates, she knows who they are, why don't she get rid of them. I wouldn't trust Natasha as far as I can throw her.

... in response to bull sh!t!!, posted by paul21 on Jul 9, 2002

Paul,

 Tell your story. If you got scammed to the tune of thousands, please tell what happen.

 Did you get a copy of the Kherson Pearls rule book before, or after, you began doing businee with them.

 

... in response to bull sh!t!!, posted by paul21 on Jul 9, 2002

thanks

... in response to bull sh!t!!, posted by paul21 on Jul 9, 2002

Your claims of being "scammed" are pretty vague and you post no details, so I don't know what really happened with you and your "scam girl."  But, as I posted above, I had mostly positive experiences with Kherson Pearls, which accurately purports to be an "introduction" agency and not a "holding your hand to ensure you don't make bad decisions and give your money away to someone you barely know" agency.  They provide a good and personal service for profit and, overall, they do a pretty good job.  And that's not, as you say, bull sh!t.  But from the vague details of your post, it sounds like you freely chose to give away all your money away to someone you barely knew.  Don't blame the agency for your mistakes.

You are not the first guy who has freely allowed yourself to be scammed and I am sure you won't be the last.  I say you "allowed yourself to be scammed" because, if you really did freely and voluntarily give "thousands of $$$" to a girl you barely knew, then it was your choice...and it sounds like it was a foolish choice to me.  I don't mean to rub salt in your wounds, but I don't think its fair to blame others for your own bad decisions and actions.  As we say here in America, "we value our freedoms, and along with any freedom comes certain responsibilities...we have the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail" (okay, maybe only I say that).  We also sometimes say "a fool and his money are soon parted."  And guess what, pal?  YOU were a fool, and YOU were just as much a part of the "scam" as the girl you claim scammed you.  Because whatever happened between the two of you was something YOU and SHE, as adults, CHOSE to do.  (All voluntary mutual exchanges between two rational parties are mutually beneficial to each party, otherwise the transaction would not take place...Econ 201.)  So don't blame the introduction agency for your bad choices.

The kind of guys who foolishly and freely allow themselves to be "scammed" by RW/UW women, as you did, are the probably the same kind of guys who also foolishly and freely allowed themselves to be "scammed" by an AW before deciding that all AW's are bad.  Awwwww.....  And then these guys decide to look to the FSU for the safety of a "more traditional and honest woman."  And guess what?  They get "scammed" by the RW/UW as well!  Call it the "scammed male syndrome."  But how were you really scammed???  (You did not describe any real details.)  You gave money to someone you barely know and she pretended to like you?  I see that happen to suckers here in America all the time.  Have you ever been to a bar?  Well, if you have, you will have probably seen guys buying girls drinks and hoping they "will score" and oftentimes they don't.  Now, to use a simile here...blaming an agency for your bad choice of giving money to a girl you barely know is like blaming a bartender for serving a girl drinks after telling him to "put her drinks on my tab" and then finding out she was just playing you for the free drinks.  What's the difference?  I guess you can even blame the bartender for "receiving a portion of that money" the way you blame the agency because the bartender probably also received a percentage of the "scam" money you spent in the form of a tip.  I see suckers like that all the time...but to blame others for your foolish mistakes is just bad form.      

Every agency with a large catalogue of girls will have some girls who are honest and sincere and some who are not.  If they are large and diverse, they will be a cross section of society.  And we can't expect all the agencies to hold our hands and micromanage our relationships.  And we can't expect all the agencies to keep us from failing or from making bad and foolish mistakes.  That's our own responsibility.  I mean, we are grown men and not little boys...right?

... in response to bull sh!t!!, posted by paul21 on Jul 9, 2002

Paul,
What makes you think the agency was in on it?  If you make such strong accusations, you shouldn't be so vague.  Spill it.
KenC

... in response to Re: Re: Speakingn of Antiscam.net, posted by Richard on Jul 8, 2002

To look legit only to lure in the unsuspecting, like their on your side ?

Hey, of course we all know it's all about money.  Makes the world go round.  Think of it this way, were helping their economy.

... in response to Re: Interestingly eastmeetswest is on th..., posted by wsbill on Jul 8, 2002

I wouldn't call it a scam to have 46 web sites, but I would call it agressive marketing.