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A “Husband Shopping Center” was opened in America where a woman could go to choose from among many men, to be her husband.

It was laid out in five floors, with the men increasing in positive attributes as you ascended up the floors. The only rule was, once you opened the door to any floor, you must choose a man from that floor, and if you went up a floor, you couldn’t go back down except to leave the place.

So, a couple of American Women go to the place to find men.

First floor, the door had a sign saying: “These men have jobs and love kids.” The women read the sign and say: “Well that’s better than not having jobs, or not loving kids, but I wonder what’s further up?”

So up they go.

Second floor says: “These men have high paying jobs, love kids, and are extremely good looking”. “Hmmm”, say the girls, “But, I wonder what’s further up?”.

Third floor: “These men have high paying jobs, are extremely good looking, love kids and help with the housework.” “Wow!” say the women. “Very tempting, BUT, there’s more further up!”

And so again, they go up.

Fourth floor: “These men have high paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, help with the housework, and have a strong romantic streak.”

“Oh, mercy me. But just think!?!?! What must be awaiting us further on!”

So up to the fifth floor they go.

The sign on that door said: “This floor is just to prove that American Women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping and have a nice day!!”

... in response to AWs go shopping..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002

A guy (American) is dating 3 attractive and nice women. They all want to marry him, but he can't choose. So, he decides on a test. He gives each of them $1000 dollars and tells them they have two weeks to go off by themselves and spend it, then come back and tell him how they spent it. They all come back right on time, two weeks later. The first woman gives him many gifts and says, "I took your money and bought you many presents to show how much I love you through generosity". The second lady looks even more fabulous than usual. She says, "I spent the money on a new dress, a new hairstyle, a complete makeover, and a trip to the spa, because I love you so much and I want to look good for you." The third lady gives him a check for $5000 and tells him, "I took your money and invested it in the stockmarket to show you how much I love you, and I made a 400% profit!" So, the guy finally makes his decision. Which woman did he marry?
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The one with the biggest tits.

... in response to Returning Fire (for the ladies), posted by Phillip on Jun 25, 2002

That was pretty funny...  Thanks!

(Even though it had nothing to do with the search for an RW, so I'm sure ol' Buford is having a bird...)

... in response to AWs go shopping..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002

Mark,
Cute joke.  A bit dated, but still cute.  I know you were not trying to "make a statement" here, just post some humor.  Don't let the serious dweebs take the fun out of posting here for you.  If it helps, I got a chuckle out of it.
Now for MY serious "over analysis" (root word anal?)of your joke.  I see where many men suffer from "is she the best I can get?" while searching for a RW.  To those men I say, if you have to ponder the question, you have not found "the" one yet!  As for me, there isn't a better woman alive that could be better (for me) than the one I married.  I wish everyone that same peace of mind.
KenC

... in response to glad to see SOME of us still have a sens..., posted by KenC on Jun 23, 2002


What you say is true. How many times have we heard of  "The Kid in the Candy Store" syndrome...?

And you are right... If you have to ask the question... the answer is no. Though there could be many reasons for why...

I didn't "know" because of my one week with Victoria... I knew because of the many women I had dated (AWs, RWs, and BWs) before.

But, some men may be passing simply because they are not yet at the point that they should be looking...?

... in response to SOME of us still have a sense of humor, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 23, 2002

wild distortions of the English language to get past the language filter.  Not bad work.

... in response to HeII, I laughed just seeing you're......, posted by Patrick on Jun 23, 2002

Hey, Patrick, I have a question about that...

Why is it that you can say things like: prick, dick, etc... but you can't say Pissed...? (oh... wait... you CAN say pissed, huh?)

You can say hell, but not d@amn

Seems inconsistent to me...  I never know what words I have to work around, and which are OK...

... in response to SOME of us still have a sense of humor, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 23, 2002

Mark, I think you make a very important point, that knowing she is the "one" has also much to do with the many women one has dated before, AW & RW alike!

I think it is very important to know what you DON'T want just as much as it is important to know what you do!

... in response to SOME of us still have a sense of humor, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 23, 2002

Mark,
You said,"some men may be passing simply because they are not yet at the point that they should be looking...?"  I don't know about you, but for me, it wasn't that I knew what I "wanted", it was more I knew what I "didn't want."  It seemed that I was on a six month rotation with AW.  They all appeared like good candidates for a long term relationship, but could never make it with me past six months.  Not that they were bad women, but they just couldn't hold my attention past 1/2 a year.  Unlike some here, I was perfectly content on being a bachelor and dating AW.  My adventure in Russia was just that, an adventure to meet a woman I had grown to know and liked.  Never did I think that it would lead me to marriage.  Lena sure changed all that!  LOL.
KenC

... in response to AWs go shopping..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002

I have to hand it to you that was good and that about sums it up, Thank you so much that was good for a laugh at this stress point. That sounded like my ex (OOPS,BAD WORD), Rick

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by snowwego on Jun 22, 2002

Well... I actually was emailed this recently.

I thought it was cute and I passed it on...

I didn't expect a firestorm over it... but... what the heck... it was a slow Saturday for me...

... in response to AWs go shopping..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002

A Wife Shopping Center was opened in America where a man could go to choose from among many men, to be his wife.

It was laid out in five floors, with the women increasing in positive attributes as you ascended up the floors. The only rule was, once you opened the door to any floor, you must choose a woman from that floor, and if you went up a floor, you couldn't go back down except to leave the place.

So, a couple of American men go to the place to find women.

First floor, the door had a sign saying: These women have love sex-
the end!
:)
Joe

... in response to Ams go shopping..., posted by yoe on Jun 22, 2002

n.t

... in response to AWs go shopping..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002

I would suggest you get some new material... like Rodney Rude ( a canuck comic in OZ, if you cant find a link??)
said over 15 years ago... " If I wanted to listen to a @...
I would fart" and there is nothing personal in my remarks!!
as this my first post here. I just dont like old jokes that have no relavance about the pursuit of a R/U woman. Most times this board is semi-imformative.

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by buford on Jun 22, 2002

:0)

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by buford on Jun 22, 2002

Yeah... You're right...

Most of the time this board is semi-informative...

And then guys like you post and bring the average down...

... in response to AWs go shopping..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002

I see so many hypocritical criticisms of AWs and “of this” and “of that” on this board and it all sounds so smug, so here’s my “johnnydudeman” answer to your story...

Mark, you seem to share the same "impossible to please" traits you speak of in your story...so you must be an American Woman.

From reading your posts and profile and from reading other posts on this board, it sounds like you went "shopping" at the "Foreign Bride Shopping Center."  You "shopped" by going through catalogues and agencies and the internet and by corresponding with hundreds of women and you went through a progression of "floors" (just like the AW in your story).  But you were “impossible to please” so you always continued up to the next "floor" (just like the AW in your story).  [Its also ironic that your story has five floors and your profile says you have met five women.  Five floors...five women?  Coincidence?  Hmmm....]

So, you went through this progression of "floors" (see, I am using the terms from your story) by traveling to several different countries and meeting several different women, but you were always "impossible to please" and kept moving on to the next "floor" looking for something better (just like the AW in your story).  Ultimately, you went to the "fifth floor" and visited Kiev.  Once there you found, not a "sign" but a prize fiancee with whom (from reading posts on this board) you had sex after only a few moments of your first personal meeting.  This foreign bride, whom you say actually "found you," seems to have also found other American men in the past who were also "shopping" and going from floor to floor.  And, from hints gleaned from other posts on this board, it seems your prize fiancee even came to "know" LP (who may have met her on another "floor" in Kherson).  Well, it seems you finally got what you wanted on the “fifth floor,” so now “have a nice day.”  But how are you so different from the AWs in your story?

Let's drop the hypocritical generalizations.  We all know about the generalizations made about us--men engaged in a search for a foreign woman (my friends and family think I am crazy "because there are so many nice women here" and "only losers do that").  And we all know anyone who generalizes about our search is immediately branded a "troll."  But I know this search is right for me, and I know generalizations (that all men who search for a foreign bride are losers) are not always correct.  Neither are your generalizations about AWs.  AWs can be good and they can be bad.  RWs can be good and they can be bad.  Ukrainian women can be good and they can be bad.  And men who search for a foreign bride can be losers and they can be great.  Just try to be pleased with your woman and ease up on the criticisms of others.

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jun 22, 2002

of wanting the best that I can attract.  

Yes I want a woman who has the right ethics and a good heart but, if I can get a first class woman who is also as gorgeous on the outside I am going to do it.

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jun 22, 2002

If any one can point out the reason of john's posting of a idiotic joke about AW in the relavance to finding a RW??? and why we are all expected to laugh??? I would like to know!!! And I found the joke less than imformative to answer
you john. Perhaps you can be more erudite in your future posts?

... in response to Re: Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by buford on Jun 24, 2002

Buford,

Whoever you are... here's an idea...

Why don't YOU post one single solitary thing that is in the least bit informative... and then you can criticize someone else for their posts.

So far you have made two (barely intelligible) posts, and all you have done in them is complain that the board isn't living up to your lofty expectations...

News Flash Num-nutz: we're not here just for your edification.

If you wanna contribute fine. If not... shut the hell up...

... in response to Hey... here's an idea, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 24, 2002

n/t

... in response to LMAO  n/t, posted by KenC on Jun 24, 2002

asd

... in response to What's that mean Ken? n/t, posted by thesearch on Jun 25, 2002


LMAO = Laughing my A$S off

Is that what you were asking?

... in response to Re: What's that mean Ken?, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 25, 2002

sdf

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jun 22, 2002

...A couple of points:

Cut the guy some slack. After all, he's in "love", no need to take aim in that direction. Besides, whether I "met" his girl (in your context) or not doesn't matter because she was looking for awhile and has dealt with other men anyway. Logically, she's a big girl and not exactly a newcomer to meeting men. Each encounter is special anyway, not some cheap act between consenting adults. (lol, did I say that?)

On the other hand I do agree with you. Using him as an example of these anti A/W guys, he shops for two years and then jumps on (so to speak) this girl. You'd think after being involved in the quest for so long he'd know better than to actually believe she can be the one so quickly. But like others here, he just "knows" it's perfect with one visit and simply must go for it. Probally felt the same way about his ex wife, except he got to know her better first. (not sarcasm, logic)

Then, like others, he broadcasts this sort of decision making as some kind of badge of honor. They all stand fast no matter what, stating reason and logic can't be used in these situations. Very strange. Actually, more fascinating than strange. Then again, maybe not. He's subject to the same emotions as all (well, most) of us. Besides, it's his show. I just hope it doesn't end up like many do and result in rules that queer the deal for those of you left waiting in the wings.

Like you, I'm pretty sick of men who bash A/W. The ones who do this seem to fall into a certain group and share other common traits among their personalities. (lol, one seems to be a rush to marry an FSU woman in record time. Oops, thats a generalization, my mistake.)

As someone who knows many A/W (one in particular) who are superior to any I ever met in two years of FSU contact, I know how good they can be. Too bad the R/W cult mentality often stops these guys from fishing in the home pond. Me thinks they can't accept the problem is not all with A/W. Imo, the more they bash A/W, the more they reveal about themselves. Generalities aside, it isn't rocket science to figure out where most are coming from just by reading their anti A/W crap.

Thats OK though, it's their show. And as I often say, you can't reason with a drunken man.

... in response to Hey Dudeman....., posted by LP on Jun 22, 2002

"Cut the guy some slack"

... in response to Hey Dudeman....., posted by LP on Jun 22, 2002

Don't make me get a switch now ya hea?
Honeslty, when was the last time a college educated, size D+ (you saw the photo) cook you dinner and iron your shirt so you go to work feeling fed and fresh? (and if your still livin' with mom-she don't count) :)
Let me be intellectucal though.
Yes I find AW-some-very attractive. The who are the most attractive, are professionals and make BIG money. They drive nice cars and some could even kick my butt. But the they are H O T T ! Would I marry one? Could I marry one? No. I have not found these women to be too much of 'team players'. And competitive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHOOOO. Every person ya meet ya have to measure up. I might as well just keep my wanger out to save everyone the trouble.

Now is my RW(ife) competitive-yes
Does she want a better life-yes (mabybe without me sometimes)
But-her family always comes first.
Now I know that there must still be some cultures like this in America. But, you must find them and break into the cult. So why you claim the FSU dating scene a cult have you check out "chicks go to Alaska to find a man" show? Better yet look at the 10s of thousands of women looking for man.................what does that tell you.

Lets use logic.
FSU women looking for a husband-maybe for love, maybe greencard-definitley better life.

AW looking for Mates mostly-already here..........Now tell me, How can one be livin' in the land of milk and honey and still complain about the 'tea' being bitter. Anyway, I guess is to each his own. But you know every great mind needs a nemises-you are mine! :)
Still love ya
Joe

... in response to Hey Dudeman....., posted by LP on Jun 22, 2002

I did not just limit myself to this country and came up with the idea to look for a russain girl while skiing in switzerland. I met a couple from switzerland and she was russian. I ate at thier house and found her very interesting and energetic. I also fell in love with some of the values they have in europe and the way they live. After eating at hanns and olga'a I had a long talk with both of them and she said there are many women in russia like her. That is how I got hooked on the idea. I find the first 3 ?s out of most women in th US Is not love but car , house , job.  MY girl I got on video tape But, she did not realize it. She had a friend with her and and her friend asked what I did for work and how much money I had. Her reply was what do I care he is nice to me and my daughter. That is when I started to fall for my girl. I am not a drunk Like you claim and I do not smoke and do drugs. This must be why at 39 I still get proofed when going out with friends. While I was in the ukraine with my Fiancee. We went to the theater and I have to tell you, I never felt more comfortable or more at ease with some one, as I did with her. You complain about us men stereo typing the AM women but, YOu are doing the same about the men looking for FSU women. Sounds like to me you are hippocrate yourself. Rick

... in response to Re: Hey Dudeman....., posted by snowwego on Jun 23, 2002

..."I'm am not drunk like you claim and do not smoke and do drugs"

Ok, thats it. I'm going to work. Hey Rick, you be with the FCC? What frequency are *you* on?

OK, maybe I'll try again after I dumb it down an order of magnitude.

Yoe, I just had a microbiologist cook for me, does that count as college edjumacated? D size? Maybe not, but she makes up for it in other ways. Remember your list? Cooking and ironing? My needs are different. ;-)

Other than that, she has FSU written all over her.

Hoosier Daddy?

... in response to Re: Hey Dudeman....., posted by snowwego on Jun 23, 2002

nt

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jun 22, 2002

I try  not to get involved in the hoop la but, this time I think you are a little off key. I am not a bad looking man and I have a friends list, that goes forever. I also have a successful business. I all My friends say they have a girl interested in me but , when it came time to push and shove they always started to nit pick. Meaning they are never satisfied and that goes for my ex. If I were to be classified you would have to put me on the 3rd or 4th floor. All the friends that I have, know why I went over to the fsu and they understand it all to well and have giving me much support. I think that marks joke has an the underlying meaning. Which, has some truth to it. By no means am I saying all the american women are bad, but I got tired of the games they played with me. My girl from the ukraine is a mirror image of me and I actually enjoy being with instead of being treated like a slave and never doing the right thing no matter how hard I tried. Rick

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jun 22, 2002

OK, Johnnyman...

Let me see if I can explain this to you (and I will try to use small words, too, so you can follow...)

First off, it was a joke, pal. Let's try to show SOME sense of humor, shall we??? If you have read all of my posts, you'll know that I am not constantly complaining about American Women... I just thought this story was funny, so I passed it on...

Secondly: My fiance has never met LP. You read waaay too much into his posts (which was his intention...) (He backed off when I called him on that one... you need to read posts much more carefully, if you didn't see that...)

Third: The difference between me and the fictitous AWs in my story is that I had a clear idea of what I wanted in a wife. AND I FOUND IT!

Clearly, I am not impossible to please... for one good reason: I have been pleased. That kind of shoots a hole in your hot-air baloon... doesn't it.

Thank you for playing, Johnny Dude... Have a nice day!

... in response to Whoa Dude... Slowdown, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002


OK, guess I was wrong. I said I was 95% sure, not positive. Its been a long time. Funny though, the name, city and photo sure fit. Changed her hair a little but OK, if you asked.  

Btw Sport, it wasn't my intention. You have no idea of what my intentions were, you just made some up yourself. And the only thing I backed off on was something you haven't a clue about. Just be thankful I did so and move on, I have.

... in response to So you asked her?, posted by LP on Jun 22, 2002

forget the dastardly humor I enjoyed from your rantings in the past.  Marks's right.

You're a real pos.  You need this board to stroke your ego.

You are not a gentleman, and it really makes me wonder why Yoe worships your ass so much.  Did you do his old lady too?

Go ahead and cry to patrick, delete my account, I could give a sh!t less.  I've heard everything from my woman is nothing to every other one is better.

There's a lot more to this life than sticking your d!ck out in public just to make a point.  You are going down the same stupid road that Oscar and Dan were with reference to visa info.  Ok fine.

FOck you and I hope your wife screws the whole usa - Well, you know, Now I know why you never told anyone about yours... because you knew she already scrued me too.  And then when she gets here... she'll do the rest of the neighborhood too.

By the way buddy... you might want to purchase a few of these online before she gets here, maybe even test her when she gets her passport stamped - http://infidelitytoday.com  Be sure the dna ain't mine now... I'll send you a sample.

I'm out of this sh!t hole.

By the way, ask your fiance if she likes it up the ass... the way the rest of the fsu did it to her.

crash and burn .. you deserve it.

good bye.

... in response to LP... you're just an evil pos, and you'v..., posted by BrianN on Jun 22, 2002

..you talking about? Man! lol, where did you get all this?

I said I knew the girl. Mark claims I don't. I think hes wrong, but I'll know for sure soon. Thats all that was said. Everything else I wrote makes perfect sense. I only meant that she must have met other men A/M during her search, hell, during her life. Thats why she may not remember me. Also, I wasn't neccesarily talking about sex, just meeting men during her search.

Whats wrong with that? I'm sure Mark can accept she has done this, he just can't accept shes met me because he doesn't like me.

I never implied anything else. Whats your beef? You're reading things in that aren't there. lol, I'll assume you're just having a bad day.

As for Mark, he had his chance. Now its my turn to play rough.

... in response to What are ...., posted by LP on Jun 23, 2002

From how I read your posts, it came across to me that you were implying more. So, I can understand if someone else did also.

... in response to I gotta disagree with you LP, posted by thesearch on Jun 25, 2002


It sure sounded to me like he was implying more...

Thanks for voicing your opinion... It helps :-)

... in response to Thanks, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 25, 2002

LP has provided great posts and because they were so LP he has gotten away with what no one else has ever done in my few years of being here.

He has said exactly what he felt when someone was in LaLa land and he could tell someone that they had all their screws loose in no dilomatic terms and no one retaliated to him like others would experience if they did the same.

This is because his posts had a ring of truth that was behind any snide comment he ever made. LP has proven to be the master of what he does and how he does it.

But that lack of retaliation also leaves open the notion of how far can I push this. In this case he pushed too far IMHO. However, I will never take from him the wonderful posts that he made in the past.

You also Mark have a way with words that is as entertaining as LP just in a different way.

... in response to LP... you're just an evil pos, and you'v..., posted by BrianN on Jun 22, 2002

Hey... Brain... slow down there buddy...

Wow... your post was so primal, you almost made me break one of my long standing rules... I ALMOST read a post by LP...

I don't know how long you've been on here... but a while back, before Patrick made everyone register, we'd get trolls come on here about every week. And they would shovel the same old BS, and talk about how we were all losers, or the women were scammers... yada... yada... yada...

And I learned then that the secret to this was, when you knew someone had an agenda... and their posts added nothing... JUST DON'T READ THEM.

It's simple... just think of it as a BS squelch.

Now, I have said that I don't consider LP a troll because he did actually go over there.. but I don't consider anything he has to say as worth my time, either. Heck, he changed his tune so much that I don't even know what song he's singing anymore... All I know is that he is horrendously off-tune :-) So why bother listening?

(I have a hunch, that he did get invovled with an RW, but that he's with an AW now... That what I seemed to get out of his posts... back before the last time he "Retired." Who knows? Who cares?)

Hey... have you ever had an annoying little kid who was whining and carrying on just to get your attention? I had three brothers, so I had plenty of experience at this...

You know how you handle that... right? Yeah... you just ignore him. When some whiny punk is carrying on and trying to get some negative attention... JUST IGNORE HIM.

It worked in kindergarten... and guess what? It still works.

Punks are punks. They never grow up... and they never change....

... in response to Sheesh, Brian...., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 23, 2002

just to get the point.  This is breaching the lower rung of gutter slung sht on this board.  His post benefitted no one but his ego, and allowing it to go un-challenged simply allows this type of behavior to continue.  (Ask Japan what happened at the end of WW2).

Think or do whatever you want.  As for me, you really don't want to know what I think right now.  This kind of banter, joke or not, has NO PLACE on this board or in any other environment.  Same as if I made a joke at Jack's party about your wife and me staying at a hotel together a long time ago and I can't be 100 percent sure.

Some day you might get a little primal...

Sorry, I didn't mean to stand up for you.  Next time, I'll just ignore it.  Better yet, I'll just go away because this place doesn't mean sh!t anyway.  Just a place to chat and exchange insults.

Hmmm, now might be a good time to change the board format finally to get rid of trolls like me.

btw, I was on here long before the registration thing came on and watched the "luzers" troll postings for months and LP -I've seen your pics too-, whatever your name really is, you're no better than a troll talking this sh!t.

Congratulations.  You're engaged and you're talking sh!t about another mans' woman.  Good job.

Now fly da plane and wonder what you're wife's doing in her bmw while you're not there.

one primally inflamed sob.

... in response to Punks need their asses kicked, posted by BrianN on Jun 23, 2002

Brian,

I guess I understand where you're coming from...

But ... As for "taking sh!t from LP"... No, I'm not. Anytime LP posts a message to me, he is having a one-way conversation with himself. I don't read a word he says. Not one snide comment. Not one innuendo. Not any false claims... nothing.

He can play with himself all day long... what do I care?

The internet isn't like a party at Jack's house... If LP came up to me there (which he would NEVER do...) and told me he had slept with my wife... it would be different.

As for what the board has become as of late... I am a little surprised myself...

I gotta admit, I was shocked to see what a simple little joke (which, yes, has probably been around for years) brought on... And I hate to see stupid insults and barbs dominate the talk here.

But I guess its summer and many of the posters are off mowing the lawn, or whatever.

As for me... the sun is shining, and it looks like its going to be another Texas Scorcher... So, I'm off to the Lake again.

Have a great day!

... in response to Re: Punks need their asses kicked, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 23, 2002

...So you won't read this, eh?  lol, Ok, what ever you say.

I'm going to try one more time. Here are the facts:

1) I met Vika, I'm sure of it, over a year ago. Fotos don't lie. I'm sure some guys here must have met women I dealt with in the past also, its the nature of this business. In any other case this would be harmless, but because you are such a puzzy, you take offense.

2) I told a few people here (whom you like and respect) about it *before* I told you. I also told them I would not say anything to you. I did not have any bad intentions in doing so. Would it help if they came forward?

3) I'm only curious if she remembered, but I'm 95% sure its her. You won't verify it, so no big deal to me.
I know what I know.

4) You simply can't accept all this may be possible. That she met other men in her search. A completely logical assumption, and true.

5) I never said I slept with her. Unlike you, I do not broadcast such things. Whether I did or not wouldn't matter to another man. It does to you, only because you are so weak an individual.

6) Assuming I did, it was not with "your" girl you moron. It was with a stranger you didn't even know existed at the time. How stupid can you get?

7) There is no more to the story than that. You twisted it into something its not. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth, so I won't reveal it.

8) You suck, period. What happens next is solely because you suck.

... in response to What a man....., posted by LP on Jun 23, 2002

I will give my usual 2.5 cents worth.
The chances of thes women meeting other AM I feel are very unusual. If you do not believe me-try to meet (date/sleep with) RW here in the ole US...........and there are much more of them here-than us there. My wife did meet another US man before me. But-I have only dated one virgin in my life. And most of the girls I dated were either just getting out of a relationship or in a bad one anyway. But I belive that so many of us never make it over,if you did meet 'Vika', it was a fluke.
The other thing is -the most lovely women get more people to visit-so in this case I think that she would have had other people to at least write. My wife had literally thousands of letters.
But here is where I really call your bluff-It seems you are instigating that she 'may' have had many American callers. An thus I am assuming that you are inclined to persuade the avid reader that she is 'hottly' pusuing an American Husband. So I will say, if she met more than 2 AM she would be married................I can say this just from her photo. The only thing that could stand in her way is if all of the callers were shorter than she-or they did not meet 'her' requirement. Because I will tell you this-men go over for basically 2 reason. To have sex with these women and have ill intentions or to meet their mate.
That is my take on the whole thing. I think that I have maintained the highest level of objectivity possible. I hope the board appreciates this.............
xoxoxoxo
Joe
:)

... in response to Since you pride on 'educating' the misin..., posted by yoe on Jun 23, 2002

Joe, I have no dog in this fight, but I disagree with the premise of your post that few of these women have previously met AM.  This process has been in full swing for the past six or seven years to say the least, and an attractive woman like Mark's fiance who has had her profile posted on the internet has by now met an AM, possibly more, particularly in the major cities of the FSU.  My wife posted her profile in November, 1998.  She received over 200 letters in a three month period.  I was fortunate enough to get over there to beat the rest of the herd.

... in response to Re: Since you pride on 'educating' the m..., posted by Charles on Jun 23, 2002

I disagree with you from personal experience.  When it comes to correspondence relationships, the number of men who actually are willing to go from a letter (more often an email) to a visit is miniscule.  I see it all the time in the business and also from personal experience with women I knew.

My wife received letters from over 300 men.  One was going to visit her before I started writing her, but then he asked her how many men had written her and ended it right then when he found out how many men there were.  Another very attractive lady I met had a total of three men visit here out of hundreds who wrote.  I was the second.  She married the third.  Of course the cynics among us are going to believe the women (my wife included) were lying to make themselves look more available, but I've also seen this in the agency I run.

We're pretty small time, so only the few most beautiful absolute babes we've had at our site have had more than 100 men buy their address.  One of them complained bitterly that the men were all too timid to visit.  Some wanted a guarantee of marriage BEFORE they would travel.  But most are simply arm chair MOB seekers.  They may be willing to write an email, maybe even a real letter, but when it comes down to shelling out some money and traveling to a foreign country, they shrivel up like Pee Wee Hermans member during a cold swim.  Heck, only about half the addresses we sell even result in a letter being sent.  Those are the one's who are motivated just enough to browse the web site and perhaps select one or two women to write.  I think they're fantasizing about marriage to a beautiful woman but as soon as it comes time to make some actual effort, they give up.

The women most likely to have had significant numbers of visiting men are IMHO the REALLY attractive women in agencies that offer in-person introductory services.  Men travel there and make appointments to interview potential wives in person and don't bother with writing first.

... in response to Arm chair MOB seekers, posted by Patrick on Jun 23, 2002

We hear all of the time about what small percentage of men actually go over, so I think in general you are right... however, I do have a question...

Your agency is a Latin agency...

So, I'm guessing most of your women are from Colombia?

How much do you think personal safety is an issue in men not going over?

I know that this whole thing is scary enough without adding dodging bullets to the mix...

I'm just wondering... It might skew what you see from what the FSU agencies see.

... in response to Re: Arm chair MOB seekers, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 23, 2002

Our site lists women from several Latin countries and the particular lady who complained to us was from Venezuela.  No doubt The reputation of Colombia has some effect also, but just traveling to a foreign country where you can't communicate is pretty daunting to the average Joe.

... in response to Re: Since you pride on 'educating' the m..., posted by Charles on Jun 23, 2002

First, I don't think that was Joe's point... I think he was saying that the beautiful women have their pick of men, and so if someone great comes along, they would be gone long before a "loser" comes along.

Also, FWIW... Victoria never had a profile posted on the Internet...

... in response to Re: Since you pride on 'educating' the m..., posted by Charles on Jun 23, 2002

disputed premise-
"My wife posted her profile in November, 1998. She received over 200 letters in a three month period. I was fortunate enough to get over there to beat the rest of the herd."
Many coorespondences BUT 0 visitors-regardless of how ya cut it-that is what I said!
Joe

... in response to Since you pride on 'educating' the misin..., posted by yoe on Jun 23, 2002

Yoe,
You close your mind to other possibilities.  My wife met quite a few AM through Lifetime Partners and had at least 4 proposals (all turned down) and I was the first AM she slept with.  I was not the "first" but the only American.  There ARE some discriminating RW.  Give me a break.
KenC

... in response to speaking of the misinformed------, posted by KenC on Jun 23, 2002

It is physically impossible for all of these girls who post their pics to be visited by the few men that travel there...........I know a very lovely woman in Odessa-posted for 3 years 2 visitors-neither American. I think the tours girls meet the most men for obvious reasons. But there just are not that many guys actually making the trip.
But I could be wrong!
Joe

... in response to I am speaking in general........., posted by yoe on Jun 23, 2002

I think you maybe underestimating the number of people going over. I highly suspect that we do not hear from the men who go on sex tours or have a trip that does not go well. I suspect that the guys who go over and fail either quietly hang in there quietly or go to one of those forums that specializes in allowing people to vent their frustrations of having failed.

... in response to Re: I am speaking in general........., posted by Richard on Jun 23, 2002

Richard,
Very good point about unsuccessful guys.  Like what is a guy to say if he tried and failed to woo a RW?  "Hey, guys, wanna see the Russian hottie that shot me down?"  LOL.
KenC

... in response to good point Richard, posted by KenC on Jun 23, 2002

No... He would say:

"Hey guys... here's a picture of a total scammer! She's not a sincere lady at all!"

;-)

... in response to No... He would say..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 23, 2002

Mark in TX says:

No... He would say:
"Hey guys... here's a picture of a total scammer! She's not a sincere lady at all!"

Richard says:

I'm not so sure about that. People here know my story.  It's a hard story to tell in a place like this.  Do you think I am going to tell that story at my college reunion next weekend? I don't think so!

... in response to Re: No... He would say..., posted by Richard on Jun 23, 2002

Richard,

That wasn't a shot at you... It's a sort of provate joke between KenC and me...

As for your story...

Nope... I wouldn't expect you to tell it at your reunion... or here, unfortunately... there seems to be no safe haven...

... in response to I am speaking in general........., posted by yoe on Jun 23, 2002

Joe,
That's what gets you in trouble-generalizations!  LOL.  Lena was with the agency for over 4 years and met many an AM.  The pretty girls with active agencies have np trouble in getting visits.  Give credit to the fact that there are some RW with discriminating tastes of men.  Not every RW would jump at the first proposal or the second or third or in Lena's case, even the fourth.  I was warned by the agency that Lena was not an easy client and that she had turned down many a man before me.
KenC

... in response to Since you pride on 'educating' the misin..., posted by yoe on Jun 23, 2002

...all I'm saying is I met the chick. I'm sorry I ever said anything about it. Normally it would be an nteresting "fluke" as you put it, but he just can't accept that it may have happened.

The fluke would not be that men met women other men have, the fluke would be they connected somehow, as happened here. If many of us "never make it over". would that not reduce the number and increase the chances?

I'll bet there are many guys here (especially those using an agency), who have dealt with the same women. They just don't know it because they don't share the information. (Which btw, is the proper thing to do, not share)
Your assumption she would be married after meeting two A/M is nuts. Her looks have little to do with that. Maybe she didn't like the guys she met? After all, there are some real doozies involved in this. Or maybe the guy just didn't think she was right for him. ;-)

Since he won't tell us anything (if she used an agency in the past for example), I can never be sure, and neither can he. Regardless of what he says, he simply dooesn't know, only she does. Its really only important to his frail ego, I was only curious. I know what I know, and that includes how I met her, etc. I would have been glad to tell him all about it but screw him now.

The fotos don't lie. I maintain I'm 95% sure I met this girl. I don't know how "hotly" she was pursuing anyone. I just know I dealt with her for a short time, as I did with many others. She was very nice but I observed some behavior I didn't like and moved on.

It really as simple as that, so forget about it.

... in response to Look Yoey,, posted by LP on Jun 23, 2002

...that I focused almost exculsively on that city for two years. (For reasons to complicated to explain here.)

I'm not making this up for convienence, it's all in my original post that started this mess. I bet I met three quarters of the girls in Kherson looking for A/M during that time. (well, you get my point)
So it wasn't a jsut question of "going over", it was a question of going over *there*.

If people would consider *all* the posts in a dispute instead of them one at a time, things would be more clearer. I suspect this is why Brian went off, that and he had a bad event in his life and I was a handy target.

Btw, I *do* appreciate your objectivity and use of logic (faulty as it may be :-) Its refreshing.

Also, don't you have anything better to do on a Sunday afternoon than hassle me? ;-)

... in response to Forgot to mention...., posted by LP on Jun 23, 2002

and she is calling right now!
See ya
have a good weekend
Joe
:)

... in response to LP... you're just an evil pos, and you'v..., posted by BrianN on Jun 22, 2002

and the rest of all-lp and I are like huh????????apples and oranges-sweet to the taste;needed for your daily diet; will make you sick if taken in large dosages; both are  fruity; but a different in texture and substance!
As far as you BriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiianN. You talkin to me? you better not be talkin to me! yea I didn't think you were talkin to me...............uhhuh! right!
Joe

... in response to first of all I did not know you could sa..., posted by yoe on Jun 23, 2002

just about you.

enjoy.

... in response to So you asked her?, posted by LP on Jun 22, 2002

forget the dastardly humor I enjoyed from your rantings in the past.  Marks's right.

You're a real pos.  You need this board to stroke your ego.

You are not a gentleman, and it really makes me wonder why Yoe worships your ass so much.  Did you do his old lady too?

Go ahead and cry to patrick, delete my account, I could give a sh!t less.  I've heard everything from my woman is nothing to every other one is better.

There's a lot more to this life than sticking your d!ck out in public just to make a point.  You are going down the same stupid road that Oscar and Dan were with reference to visa info.  Ok fine.

FOck you and I hope your wife screws the whole usa - Well, you know, Now I know why you never told anyone about yours... because you knew she already scrued me too.  And then when she gets here... she'll do the rest of the neighborhood too.

By the way buddy... you might want to purchase a few of these online before she gets here, maybe even test her when she gets her passport stamped - http://infidelitytoday.com  Be sure the dna ain't mine now... I'll send you a sample.

I'm out of this sh!t hole.

By the way, ask your fiance if she likes it up the ass... the way the rest of the fsu did it to her.

crash and burn .. you deserve it.

good bye.

... in response to Whoa Dude... Slowdown, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002

Hey thanks for using the small words, so I can follow. :)

I was just making a lighthearted observation and a joke (come on, don't you think it was even a little funny?).  The parallels between your story and "your story" are just so obvious (even to a "dude" who needs small words to follow) that I couldn’t resist.

And yes, Mark, we are all aware that you are truly "not impossible to please" (as those pesky fictitious AWs).  From your posts, we all know you were "pleased" by your "fifth floor fiancee" within moments after your first meeting.  Sounds like you found what you were looking for...and had a nice day.

Hey, if we can't laugh at ourselves.....

... in response to Re: Whoa Dude... Slowdown, posted by johnnydudeman on Jun 22, 2002

Well... I confess I missed the light-hearted tone of your post...

I guess I need to go back and re-read it...

... in response to Re: AWs go shopping..., posted by johnnydudeman on Jun 22, 2002

it was just a joke, 1 I heard over 10 yrs ago... aloha

... in response to AWs go shopping..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 22, 2002

boy!!!! isnt that the truth, never happy with what they have.