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For those that don't know, I am posting my trip report with Lifetimepartners on Spencer's rw forum. I now post the first five chapters here. You can go over to those forums to read the rest, or if enough of you want me to, I will post it here.

Squirecam
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Tver Trek Episode I – The Phantom report

Ok folks. For those three or four of you who would actually read it, this post begins my trip report on lifetime partners in Tver. While the actual report will not begin yet, I wanted to set the stage with some thoughts and ground rules for my report.

First, the rules…

a)With extremely limited exceptions, I will not post names, first or last, of any of the ladies I met while in Tver. Nor will I delve into great detail on many of the dates either. I’m sure most of you don’t actually care one way or the other about this, but for those who do, I’m telling you up front so I don’t get any remarks requesting such information in the future. If, for a good reason you would like to know such information, (such as you are in the program, you are going soon, and want to know if she no-showed me), send me a private email.

b)This report is about my trip, not Greg. Don’t ask questions about his trip, my thoughts on his trip, my thoughts on Thomas or his trip, what Thomas or Greg look like ect. I’m not going to answer them. Just like I am respecting the ladies privacy, I am respecting theirs. If you want to know what Greg did or did not do on his trip, ask him.

c)I am not affiliated with LTP. I am not a relative, friend, drinking buddy, or shill for Doc Woody, and I gain no financial interest for anything positive I say about the program. Similarly, I do not hate or have a vendetta against LTP, I do not own a competing agency, and gain no financial incentive for any negative comments I may make regarding LTP. My comments and experiences are for your (the reader’s) benefit only.

d)My report shall contain my experiences with LTP, thoughts on the program both good and bad, and what I thought I did right and wrong. It will likely contain references to stupid tv shows, WWII, and other crap I seem to like. If you don’t like the way I write it, find another thread. No one has a gun to your head, forcing you to read this anyway.

e)This report will be made in the trip reports area for 2 reasons. First, it belongs there. (duh) Second, though I am a moderator, I do not moderate the trip report forum. Therefore, I will not delete the posts of those who criticize my report. All I ask is that constructive criticism/questions be used. I leave it to B/B to handle the rest.

Initial thoughts prior to going to Tver…

Just so you all know, I am 31, and never married. I was engaged to an AW, but we never did marry. Despite this, I have no “hatred” of AW. I went to Tver because I believed I could find a “soulmate” there. I read up on the program both here and on the site, spoke or emailed some people who had taken the trip ahead of me, and made the decision to go. I paid full price, did not have a cameraman, and had no special help except what any normal joe would get from the program.

I wrote to some of the ladies prior to going to Tver. Some more than others, some not at all. I will give my thoughts on letter writing later on as well.

My “wish list” was 30 or so ladies, give or take. I had a pre-trip “top 5”, and I was hoping I would match with one of these 5. As it turns out, for reasons which will become quite clear later on, this was not to be. My wish list contained ladies from 18-30, with both women with and without children. Though some were “out of my league”, I thought pre-trip that my list was realistic for me. I did not date all 18-19 year old hotties.

This was my first trip to Russia, and first using a marriage agency. I read war and peace (Thomas’ report "TYPE=PICT;ALT=[Razz]"), and other reports prior to going, and I hoped to avoid some mistakes which were made by the veterans ahead of me.. My opinions, thoughts, and the eventual conclusions are not right or wrong. They are just mine. Feel free to disagree.

Squirecam

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Tver Trek Episode II – The Wrath of Aeroflot

I used Aeroflot airlines to travel to Tver. The flight left on Wednesday and would return in two weeks on a Saturday, giving me more time than just the standard 7 to 10 day trip. The trip over on Aeroflot was actually not that bad, despite the 13 hours it took. The lines at passport control were horrible however. It took about two hours to get through passport control. Although I had thought of using the “vip” service prior to going, a lot of the people I asked said that it was not needed. I guess it just depends on whether you want to wait or not.

While in line at passport control, I met two other guys who were flying to meet their women. However, both of them were going to visit UW’s instead of RW’s. I mention these two guys, because, as I saw it, they both made the same mistake, and one guy made an additional big mistake.

The first mistake was that they were meeting only one woman, for the first time, and they both had been sending money to their prospective woman prior to meeting them. I was thinking about saying something about this, when I learned of the second mistake. One of the guys had a Russian transit visa. One did not.

From all I know, if you don’t have the visa, you are not getting in. No exceptions. What the second guy had was a ukranian visa, but no Russian visa. He was apparently told that the Russian visa was not necessary because he was just passing through for a later flight. I bit my tongue and hoped for the best for him.

As it turns out, he was ahead of me in line, and as I suspected, passport control sent him upstairs to another area. I told him “good luck”, silently expecting his visit to end very very badly.

The lesson – know the rules before you go. Otherwise, you could fly thousands of miles, only to be sent home. I am not sure, but I don’t believe it is possible to buy a visa there, no matter how much $$$ you have on you. Even if it were, who wants to spend most of their traveling cash to bribe a visa at the last second?

After a long flight and wait at passport and customs, I finally met one of my interpreters for the first time. My trip had actually begun. The next chapter begins with this meeting, and is where the true report finally begins.
Squirecam

Tver Trek - Episode III - And so it begins...

My first glimpse of Moscow was an entire new world to me. It finally dawned on me that I was here in Russia, hopefully to find the person I could share my life with. I was happy to begin the journey, but knew there was a lot of work ahead for me.

As our driver got the car, I took my first opportunity to get to know one of my interpreters. Let me say that I liked both of my interpreters from the beginning. One of the strengths of LTP is the interpreters, and even those who have problems with LTP have nice things to say about them. Over the next few hours, we discussed the next two weeks, and some of the ladies I would be meeting. I was told that we would swing by the office to get my flat keys, and that she would show me how to enter the building and lock my doors. Entering the apartment was somewhat akin to breaking into fort knox. There was one code and three locks. Russians may not always have much, but they protect what they have very securely.

As my flight got in late, I had no dates for that evening. My day started early the next day, so I decided I would just unpack and relax at the flat. My flat actually reminded me of my first apartment, a jr bedroom with a small kitchen and bath. The tv had “7" channels, although 3 of the channels were actually duplicates, reducing my tv viewing options to 4. I left the tv on as I unpacked, getting a glimpse of what programs were offered to Tver residents. I found that even though I could not understand what was said, I was able to get the gist of the movie/show that was on.

My sleep was rather pitiful, as I woke up a few times during the night. I did try to stay up late, but no matter what, my body was wide awake during the middle of the night. Unfortunately, this pattern lasted pretty much my entire trip. With one exception, which will be detailed later, I always seemed to awake when the sun rose, and would have to fight back to sleep, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. Some sleeping pills may have been a good idea, although I didnt have any, and thus I just dealt with it.

The office sent the driver, Slava, to pick me up prior to my first scheduled date. Slava is a good driver, which is very necessary in Tver, as there are no regards for safety of pedestrians in Russia. There were also no seat belts, which meant one had to be very careful. I began to warm up to the idea of walking to the office, a practice I used on many mornings, once I learned my way around.

I met my second interpreter, who was going to be with me for the daytime. I did not have much time to get to know her before my first scheduled date. Additionally, I had left at the flat a brochure of my city, which I brought with me to Russia in order to introduce Vegas to the ladies. I would go back for it during the day when I had a break, but I was without it for the first few meetings that day.

My first meeting did not go that well. In truth, she was shy, and that was partly to blame. The other part was that I just sucked. Although I had used an interpreter before in deposing people, never had I used one for dating. There were periods of silence that were just too long, and I instantly realized the value of the crutch the pictures would have provided me. The meeting did end on a nice note, and although I never did “date” her, at least the meeting had introduced me to the process. I considered first meetings as just meetings, and seconds and above as "dates". I was doing better as the day wore on, and after a few days, I could sleepwalk through these first meetings.
Before I continue, I must restate something that Doc had posted during the Thomas thread. Doc wrote:
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You can only do this if you converse in reverse.
This is a cute way of saying, instead of starting with small talk and working your way up the ladder of sensitive and important relationship issues, you start at the top and later on you can do the "small talk". For instance, on the first interview you mention marriage. As I said before, if Thomas had done this initially he would have been down to a select few who verbalized, not just indicated, a sincere desire to get married and move to the US with him and would of had 3 weeks to work on a match or would have gone back the books.
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Let me also say that despite my publicly stated views on “conversing in reverse” as Doc called it, I had decided to ask the ladies, during the first meeting, and early in the meeting, whether they would be able to leave Russia and move to America. Without fail, all of the women I asked this question to said that if they met the right guy, they would move to his country. I never did ask during the first meeting if the “right guy” was me, as I already knew that any sincere lady could not possibly answer this question, as she had just met me. Sometimes, without even asking the question, the ladies indicated that we had just met and it would be hard for them to know their feelings after a brief first meeting. After a first meeting, there is no way that any sincere woman could “indicate a sincere desire to get married and move to the US with [me]”. However, I am not saying don’t ask the question. I’m just saying don’t expect much from the answer.

Whatever else I might say, I remain convinced that even if the question is asked, you won’t get a real answer anyways. Sorry to say this, but the only way your ever going to know the true sincerity and desires of the ladies is the old fashioned way, body language and time. The remaining morning dates went without an interest, either by me or by her. I took the opportunity to grab my brochure, and prepare myself for the later dates. The story picks up from there next time.

Squirecam

Tver Trek - Episode IV - A New Hope

The late afternoon/evening dates provided the first serious opportunities for second dates. As you may recall from the prior report, I can’t say that I was all that comfortable during the morning dates, and there was no chemistry with 2 of the 3 I met. However, beginning with meeting #4, the possibilities started to arrive. For those I had serious interest in, which developed into at least something worth talking about, I will use the politically boring code as RW #__ to identify her.

RW#1 was 26 and never married. She was attractive and had a nice personality with interests similar to my own. Prior to my trip, I believed, and still do, that my best matches would be with those who were “older”. Since I am 31, that was 23 and up. But, I was willing to go the 10 years difference for the right lady. Although I was unsure whether we would have that “chemistry” together, we agreed to meet again, and I had my first scheduled date.

The next meeting, however, totally blew me away. RW #2 was attractive, but her interests better corresponded with mine, and she sounded SO sincere. Unlike RW#1, I had an instant “chemistry” connection with her, and we also scheduled a second date. For the record, a good friend of mine had recommended that she be moved into my upper list, and at this point, I was very glad that I listened to him.

At this point, I was pretty much on top of the world. During my dates, I had told the ladies that I took the program very seriously, that I only wanted to schedule second dates with those who had serious interest in me as well, and that if they did not, then I would not be mad or offended if they did not want to see me again. They would actually be doing me a favor, and not wasting my time. Here it was, on my first day, and I had already found someone I was seriously attracted to and who seemed interested in me as well, plus we had had a great conversation and many mutual interests. My last date was attractive and interesting, but we never had a second date. But I left Day 1 with two possibilities, of which one I felt was a sure “keeper”. My interpreter liked both RW #1 and RW #2 as well, making me much more confident in my choices so far.

SIDENOTE - I never did develop the “chemistry” with RW#1, although she is still a fantastic woman, and I wish her all the best. I always had a great time on our dates, and I wondered “why” I did not feel something more for her. I considered the possibility that #2 had been “so good” in my eyes that I had thus ignored any feelings I could have had for RW#1. And maybe part of this is true. However, I also developed feelings for later women I met, so, to me, RW#2 wasn’t so spectacular that I did not have chemistry with the other girls. However, in retrospect it may have had an influence on the lack of chemistry. I will discuss this issue more in detail later, as the impact and aftermath of RW#2 was a key turning point in my visit.

Jetlag had caught up with me, and I ended the evening early. I was excited about the program now as well, as I could not have asked for day 1 to go any better. I saw no dark clouds on the horizon, and I was so happy and self confident after day 1 that I probably would have ignored any such signals anyway. I went to sleep very happy, and looking forward to day 2.

Squirecam

Tver Trek - Episode V - DNP

Day 2 featured two rescheduled meetings (R’s) for later on in the week, and my first cancellation/no-show, which I will refer to as DNP (did not play). I will have a lot more to say about this subject later on, but I’d like to make a few points about this subject here.

As most of you know by now, during Thomas’ thread, there were observations made by members that Thomas seemed to have a “lot” of DNP’s or R’s. Before I left on my trip, I expected that there would inevitably be some of these occurring during my trip. Of course, I was hopeful that this would occur only infrequently.

Much has also been made of Greg’s concerns with LTP in the amount of reschedules or DNP’s that he may or may not have had. I believe that some even questioned whether these were the ladies fault, or his, because of his “personality” or “looks”.

Let me say that there were 6 or so single guys there during my trip. And all of us experienced the DNP factor at one point or another. This is not an attack at LTP or a defense of Greg. Just a statement that if you go, at some point, you will likely, if not almost certianly, have DNP problems. I have spoken with Doc about it, and he is aware of the problem, and he did seem very interested in hearing my views on how to remedy the situation. My concern was not so much the reschedules, but the DNP’s, which I will again address later on in my report. But after day 2, it was 2 R’s and 1 DNP.

I was thus left with 3 morning/afternoon meetings and one dinner (7:00) meeting. RW#3 came out of the day session. She was a nice sincere woman, with an 8 year old daughter. We scheduled a second date, because we only had a limited time for the first meeting (she had to leave early), and I wanted to further explore her views on parenting with a potential AM husband. In retrospect, I had not thought enough about the prospects of bringing a ready-made family to the US, although I believed I had thought it through before I left. Though I have dated AW with children, I learned that I was not ready (at least during this trip) to make such a commitment.

Dinner was with a pre-trip top 5, and pretty much she turned out to be everything I expected she would be. Of course, this meant no second date, but at least I had a nice dinner with one of the best looking women of Tver. Of course, many people could make the same claim, but hey, this is my report, not theirs.

Day 3 began with RW#4. She is 19, and therefore at the “younger” end of who I imagined I would match with. For being 19, she was more mature than most AW 19's, which was very important to me. But in truth, I think you can tell a significant difference between a mature 19 RW and a mature 22+ RW. However, there are 19 year old RW who are more mature than 22+ RW’s as well. We scheduled a second date to visit some museums for early next week.

My next meeting was a reschedule from yesterday. Nice, but she was shortly on her way to the US (student visa) and no second date. I had another R before my evening 6 and 7 dates. My 6:00 date was with a pre-trip top 5.

My 6 did not show until 6:50. She said that she thought the meeting was for 7. She asked if we could meet at 7, but I told her that I had a 7 scheduled. She looked somewhat disappointed (or was that angry?) But she agreed to wait outside in case my 7 did not show. She also stated that she did not have much time this evening, as she also had some other commitments.

As fate would have it, guess what. My 7 DNP, leaving me a 7:20 interview with one of my pre-trip top 5's. As the interview started, she seemed not to recognize exactly who I was. I certianly knew who she was, and I asked her how her niece was doing, which seemed to ring a bell and clue her in as to who I was. To be honest, I was somewhat shocked that she did not already know who it was she was scheduled to meet.

In any event, the early part of the meeting wet very well. I pulled out the trusty Vegas brochure, and she requested that I sit next to her, and explain the sites in the brochure. I was only too happy to oblige. About 15 minutes into the interview, everything seemed to be going well. In fact, things had been going well the entire trip, despite the DNP’s. I was still king of the world, riding high on an unsinkable luxurious liner, destined for eternal happiness.

But, of course, into every life a little rain must fall. Actually, it was not rain, but Hurricane Andrew. And the iceberg that would soon collide with my happy little ship all started so innocently, it was hard to believe that a simple question seemed to mark the change in my fortunes.

Her question : “Would you go with me to Moscow tomorrow?”

Squirecam

... in response to My Tver trip report (long), posted by squirecam on Jun 26, 2002

This is interesting, because it is a path that not many here have chosen.

Most have either gone and met several ladies that they have lined up on their own (or with the help of an agency perhaps) or just one.

I am not sure of many guys who have gone and worked with just one agency to line up meeting after meeting. (Bobby Orr comes to mind. I think he is the only one... I know that Ken used LTP, but I think his other dates were just "due dilligence" dates... I get the impression that he really only went to meet Lena.)

So, the basic background seems very different. I'm interested in hearing more.

I wish you would have given your women fictitious names. It is hard to remember who is who when you gave them all numbers. Although I do respect your reason for doing it...

And, yes, I will admit that I am interested now in how that innocent question ruined everything... please continue to post...

... in response to Re: My Tver trip report (long), posted by MarkInTx on Jun 27, 2002

I was meeting anywhere from 5 to 8 girls per day.  I have mixed feelings about it really.  I mean, I liked the fact that you could meet many women per day, with hour long (or shorter) meetings at the office, if you wanted to know more, you would set up a date for later that night or another day.  But it wasn't very romantic and I think the women there get kind of burned out by this method.  I mean, they show up (if they showed up!) and then BAM, they are out in an hour or less..
It is one way to meet a LOT of women if you want to..  I was there about 2 weeks and met over 50 girls..

But again, I much prefered Kiev, Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk.

Later

... in response to My Tver trip report (long), posted by squirecam on Jun 26, 2002

Please post the rest of the story here, need to know if you went with her:)

... in response to My Tver trip report (long), posted by squirecam on Jun 26, 2002

Squire,

 You are writing a very good report. I just stated reading it.

 As I read your report I keep thinking, "Well, the next day he is going to meet someone special, something good is going to happen". And maybe it will, but to this point, based on what I know and experinced, based on how valuable a man's time is, I would be one upset son of a gun if I were you. But you seem to be taking everything in stride, ho-hum attitude at this point. Maybe it is just your character, which from an agency owners perspective would be good, but many guys and clients I know would be a lot more upset than you appear to be.

 I think your report is very well written and I think you are opening the eyes to a lot of guys who might have considered going the route you did. It almost seems that some of these ladies are made to make these meetings, some of the ladies have little interest in the meetings. Maybe these ladies are getting tired of being paraded in front of three and four western men each week?

 And Squire, even though you are a very young man in his early 30's, are you seriously considering a 19 or 20 year old as your future wife? Let me take just a second here and give you only Jack's opinion, and this is certaintly not true with every Russian girl, but it is with a lot of them. What do you think 19 and 20 year old Russian girls are thinking about?......It is 20 and 21 year old Russian boys, not 40 year old American men! In Jack's opinion 23 is the age of maturity for many of these Russian women. Most have graduated from the University by now, most can now leave home, leave family and friends. I was glad to see a couple of other posters mention yesterday 25 as the youngest they would consider and to me this is the sign of a smarter, more educated group of men. Those 19 and 20 year olds are fun to look at and dream about, aren't they? However ladies 23, 24, 25 and up are much more able to make such a tremendous change in there lives, such as moving to the US. Just my opinion Squire.

 Anyway I think you are making a wonderful, educated report, something that should probably be saved and I will probably save your report in it's entirety as I think it is a very educational, eye-opening report.

 I look forward to reading the rest of your report and will wait until then to ask you several questions I am dieing to ask.

 

... in response to Your Tver trip report, posted by Jack on Jun 27, 2002

I have met 2 married women from FSU that came here at age 19, one has been married for 2 1/2 years now, the other left to go back home after 6 months...she was unhappy with life in America...not a scammer, just disalusioned.
The girl that is still here spoke very little English when she arrived, but now converses well...She has her green card and has returned from one trip back to Ukraine..where she swore she will not go back. Her husband is 44, she is now 22.
Now...my opinion of this girl is irrelevent, but the many women in my city who are from the FSU do not give this girl the time of day...including my wife. The reason is because she is very materialistic..always demanding from her husband "bigger and better" than her friends..and then bragging about what new trinket her husband buys her.

I can not tell you all she is scamming him, he tells everyone he is in love and likes to spoil her...but there comes to a point when her behaviour(like a spoiled child) will blow up and destroy thier relationship.

 My wife feels he is raising a daughter...she is way too young for him...she is very bored, and will not work so her only intrest is to go shopping. I am happy that my Russian 40 y.o. wife can see through this young girls smoke screen, but the problem is that "no one" can say this to her husband. He is not the type of guy to accept the advice of his friends...so we have distanced ourselves from them, hoping things will be o.k. and she does not run off to a younger man....or to someone who has more money.

... in response to !9 y.o. from FSU, posted by Apk1 on Jun 27, 2002

Sounds like this guys was trained well by the AWs he was with before...

I know a lot of women just like that 19 year old -- all native Americans.

... in response to Your Tver trip report, posted by Jack on Jun 27, 2002

Hi Jack,

"As I read your report I keep thinking, "Well, the next day he is going to meet someone special, something good is going to happen". And maybe it will, but to this point... I would be one upset son of a gun if I were you."

I was upset too.

"But you seem to be taking everything in stride, ho-hum attitude at this point. Maybe it is just your character, which from an agency owners perspective would be good, but many guys and clients I know would be a lot more upset than you appear to be."

Heh. Keep reading. lol

"And Squire, even though you are a very young man in his early 30's, are you seriously considering a 19 or 20 year old as your future wife?...In Jack's opinion 23 is the age of maturity for many of these Russian women."

I would agree that 23+ is better, no doubt. And the chances of me choosing someone 19-20 are pretty slim. But I appreciate the concern/advice.

Squirecam

... in response to My Tver trip report (long), posted by squirecam on Jun 26, 2002

As I have posted many times Tver is a place whose time has long gone.  Unfortunately, there is an agency with the best of intentions in place who have to pay salaries of staff, interpreters and US salesman, so the dream goes on - and the people continue to come.  There are many places with alot more fish to put your pole in the water.  If you need alot of hand holding and are just looking for an introduction in the FSU where you do not really care if a girl has kids or what she looks like (all you men who have not had a date for 5 years and could not get one if you tried) then Tver is the place for you.  You could do alot better if you just pick a fairly big city that is not heavily fished, get someone / agency to put in an advertisement for you, get tickets and a hotel room, go to the agency, find your first interpreter and cut a deal with you to be your guide.  $250 per / day to sit around an office is no fun.  The other board is pretty much an advertising agency for LTP and a few other agencies, so newbies, I would not trust that boards information for a second.  This board gives the straight poop, its just hard to find sometimes.

... in response to Re: My Tver trip report (long), posted by Bobby Orr on Jun 27, 2002


I find it hard to believe that ALL of the good women have been "taken" from Tver....

Whether LTP is providing a service commensurate to their fees can be honestly debated...

But are you honestly trying to tell me that a man can't go there and find a good woman?

I just can't believe that...

I'll bet Ken's wife could name five women who would be wonderful wives without breaking a sweat...

... in response to Tver, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 27, 2002

These always a few that have been hard to catch in any pond.  Every day the numbers go down.

... in response to My Tver trip report (long), posted by squirecam on Jun 26, 2002

First of all I admire your honesty and effort to put this post in play. But more importantly I am glad that guys can see how a 'programed' 'interview' style attempt seems. While some guys write one girl, meet one girl fall in love and get married, other do the Dating Game On LSD trip. Now it is hard for you to be objective because it is your trip-but if you can-go back and read what you have just written. The ladies are numbered;the dates are interviews;the meeting of a potential lifetime mate is a program. It is a classic description of guys who just want to find a wife-like picking out a new car. Again do not take this the wrong way.
Mark's way may not have been too stable for some people, but the avid reader can see the difference in approach-and it is more that just writing style. I still believe that you find a gal you like-write to her a few months-go see her and at best have an agency to contact unless things go sour-then you meet some girls just for your extended vacation NOT FOR MARRIAGE. If you have not had some time of communication for at least 4-6 month I do not think that you could consider anything more than coffee and maybe dinner.
But I am glad that you made the post and I think that you have made a more powerful statement than you realized-good luck and learn to follow your heart, gut or whatever that extenuates your rational calculated 'program'.
best wishes
Joe

... in response to I hope you take this 'the right way"..., posted by yoe on Jun 27, 2002

I also did it pretty much your way, but in my case, my only "back up" plan was to enjoy a vacation in a foreign land if things didn't work out.

If there's one thing I've learned in 8 years in this game, (two in my search, and 6 in the business) it's that there's no one "right way" to find a wife.  We each just need to find what works best for us as individuals.  It's whatever you personally feel comfortable with that works best for you.

... in response to 'the right way", posted by Patrick on Jun 27, 2002

smack dab in the center!
Maybe for some the one girl thing works better-it is just their way. But for a more calculated type, the basic organised strategy and/or group meeting could be best. I am a very spontaneous person. I have always lived according to my rules-that is why I work for myself. But many people are entirely different. That does make one way better than the other. I have looked at a couple of these boards and I have been very impressed with the objectiveness of the board owners. Good Job Patrick. You have almost always been right on and eye on the road. I comend that and thank your for doing a temendous job-for at least the last 3 year that I know of!
Joe

... in response to I hope you take this 'the right way"..., posted by yoe on Jun 27, 2002

Hello Joe,

Thanks for your thoughts. Let me respond to some of the things you said.

"Now it is hard for you to be objective because it is your trip-but if you can-go back and read what you have just written. The ladies are numbered;the dates are interviews;the meeting of a potential lifetime mate is a program. It is a classic description of guys who just want to find a wife-like picking out a new car. Again do not take this the wrong way."

The ladies are # because I am protecting their identity. They never signed up to have their private lives blasted over the internet, and I respect their privacy.

As for the "dates", I really don't see how you could call a first meeting a "date". It is what it is, an introduction to each other.

Despite this, I am not "buying a new car". While I respect your views, if you knew me, you would know I am much more serious about it than that type of attitude. As for the "program", I would say that any good agency does not deal in the new or used car business. They are just as serious and dedicated as you and I are.

"I still believe that you find a gal you like-write to her a few months-go see her and at best have an agency to contact unless things go sour-then you meet some girls just for your extended vacation NOT FOR MARRIAGE. If you have not had some time of communication for at least 4-6 month I do not think that you could consider anything more than coffee and maybe dinner."

While I appreciate those who WOVO, I have to disagree. I did write to many of the women, from December to May, before my trip. The one with the "best letters" turned out to be vastly different in person. (She is the one at the end of the 5th report). Had I went "just for her", it would have been a wasted trip.

"But I am glad that you made the post..."

And I'm glad you responded.

Squirecam

... in response to Re: I hope you take this 'the right way&..., posted by squirecam on Jun 27, 2002

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... in response to My Tver trip report (long), posted by squirecam on Jun 26, 2002

When my friend and I were there, we figured it was about a 40-50% no-show rate.  Same with the other Americans that were there at the time.. We were all disappointed with that and complained about it to the Russian manager and Mark Dayton who was working there taking the girls photos at the time.  Being a smaller place, many of the women I felt were just burned out meeting the guys.  LTP is not a scam agency, they do their best, it was the girls.  If they weren't no-shows, often they were very late!  I never found it this like this at all in Kiev, Odessa or certainly Dnepropetrovsk (never had one no-show there!)

Tver is not a large city (comparatively). I (my opinion) feel that it has been pretty fished out and many (not all) of the girls in the agencies there have often been in them for years.  I check LTP's web site from time to time and always get a chuckle when I see a woman I met there 3 years ago, listed on their web site as a "new" member! LOL!  Now again, I don't think this means LTP is scamming or anything, I just think many of the girls who have been there a long time like to do new photos and videos every once in a while.

Also, most of the women there were very young for the most part (I'd say the average age was about 20-21).  I was looking more for women 27-30 years old and they were rather difficult to find..

I have found my girl (Dnepropetrovsk) but if I hadn't, I would not go back to Tver to search, not after having been to Kiev, Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk..  I liked these places much better than Tver, both the cities themselves and the women.  Now you guys who HAVE found women in Tver, that's great and I'm happy for you, it just wasn't for me..  I know you can find good women anywhere, but for me, I just much preferred these other cities.

My 2 cents..

... in response to My Tver trip report (long), posted by squirecam on Jun 26, 2002

Please post the rest of your story here.  I don't know where the other site is.

JR

... in response to Interesting, posted by juio99 on Jun 26, 2002

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... in response to Interesting, posted by juio99 on Jun 26, 2002

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... in response to My Tver trip report (long), posted by squirecam on Jun 26, 2002

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... in response to Very interesting...please post more here..., posted by Stevo on Jun 26, 2002

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