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I said to myself..." Self?", before you decide for sure that a Latina is the way to go, "don't you think you should take a trip to Russia and meet the ladies there?"...I thought...hhmmm...they look so beautiful, most have higher education, seem to be interested in serious relationships...why not start a litle correspondence, and possibly go in a month or two.

My first step was to be immediately scammed. Then, somehow, I tripped accross "Black-list" sites, how not to be scammed sites, read these sites and asked...with this much deciet (some 40% of the women and agencies), lies, problems for access to the country, distance etc., why would anyone REALLY be interested in pursuit of such unknown?
Man...at least you can hop on plane with ease and be in front on Calenas within a few short hassle free hours and be sure the woman IS the woman you corressponded with etc.

I'm sorry guys...good luck to you...I just don't see that the risk of $$, emotional energy etc. outway the reward for such a dishonest system. It is fraught with problems too complex to go through for a woman you couldn't possibly get to know in a resonable time AND RISK marriage with her. GOOD LUCK GUYS...I'm back to the Lovely Latinas!!

... in response to 1st Attempt with Russian women and last...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

Columbia, ayeeee carumba!

... in response to 1st Attempt with Russian women and last...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002


I've spent about three years trying Colombia and can now speak Spanish.  I have been to Cali and Bogota.  I have given up and decided to try Russia again where I can meet beautiful intelligent women.  My summary of whats available in the agencies of Colombia is as follows: (1) Cali - lots of young women, overly exposed market peppered with scammers and jaded women, although the young women are pretty they aren't as good as what I see everyday in Los Angeles, (2) BOGOTA - lots of professional women, they would probably make the best wives, but they are all homely looking.  Regretfully I have decided that I cannot pursue Colombia anymore because the quality just isn't there to make it worthwhile.  I have been to Russia once and they have a large selection of women who are both intelligent and beautiful.  Those are my judgments, but I don't think there is any correct answer and you could find a wife in Latin America or Russia.  And I think that finding the right women is a process of meeting as many women as possible until the right one comes across your path.  And there will be luck involved when it happens.  

... in response to Re: 1st Attempt with Russian women and l..., posted by pastilla100 on Jun 19, 2002

n.t

... in response to 1st Attempt with Russian women and last...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

There is alot of truth to what you say.

... in response to Re: 1st Attempt with Russian women and l..., posted by Bobby Orr on Jun 19, 2002

There was a lot of truth in what some of the trolls used to say, too...

The main question is: What is his point?

... in response to 1st Attempt with Russian women and last...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

I avoided the scamms by staying off the instant message type web sites and avoideing the women that asked for money OTher than translation fees. I stayed with in my age bracket and looked for a profile of different likes and interest. The coomon thing is to hear I like sports, travel, Pets and family. These typical sayings are somtimes associated with scammers. I looked for a girl with more of an original saying. I have worked many years with spanish People and found that many of the women  come from the latin areas and marry then leave after they are here and this also goes for some russian women. Rick

... in response to 1st Attempt with Russian women and last...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

Bob,
I agree with Mark below that the scammers are over blown for some reason.  Many of the sterotypes are off base with Russian or Latin women.  Like RW are docile and quiet while Latin women are hot blooded.  LOL  My blond blue eyed wife must have some hidden Latino blood in her some where!!  Seriously, that is why there are blonds and brunetts, so we can have our choice!  Best of luck to you.
KenC

... in response to to each his own, posted by KenC on Jun 18, 2002

[Sarcasm alert]

Ken...

Do you mean that your wife does not follow all of the stereotypes???

I'm shocked!

She didn't marry you for money, isn't shy about sex, and didn't leave you for a green card the moment she got a chance?

Next you are going to tell us that she was worth the investment!

[Sarcasm over...]

... in response to Why... Ken..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

Mark,
Our joke to others is that Lena married me for sex and I married her for her money.
KenC

... in response to time will tell, posted by KenC on Jun 18, 2002

Perfect:

Then all you have to do is make her pay you for sex... and then everyone is happy!

... in response to Re: time will tell, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

n/t

... in response to 1st Attempt with Russian women and last...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

Re: "Why"

Well, one thing that comes to mind is the scientific study that Latinas pork sooner than Caucasions....#:o

... in response to Re: 1st Attempt, posted by WmGo on Jun 18, 2002

Yeah! Hey it was on MSN... so it must be true, eh?  ;-)

... in response to Re: 1st Attempt, posted by WmGo on Jun 18, 2002

sure...russians have no food...brim em here and you'll see em pork up in no time once they can eat.

... in response to Re: Re: 1st Attempt, posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

That is not true they have different eating habits than we do and I know quite a few poeple that have come here from the european side of the world and they are still not fat and this is after many years of being here.  It is our eating habits that make americans fat. We eat in big portions quite quick and eat all the real fatty stuff first. If you look at how europe eats they eat salads and fruits before they eat the main course. Which leaves less room for the bad stuff in the belly. Hence thinner.No pork , I am testament to that I am still the same weight as I was in my low twenties and right on track for for height and weight according to the medical field. Rick

... in response to Re: Re: Re: 1st Attempt, posted by snowwego on Jun 18, 2002

I've heard some guys say that when the woman first comes over she does gain a little until she gets used to the large portions here...

Dunno, since mine isn't here yet.

I mentioned the "freshmen 10" thing to Victoria and she asked: "And how much is acceptable?" she asked me. "Is it OK if I weigh twice as much as I do now?"

I wasn't sure how to answer that one, to be honest... And that really made her laugh.

"I will not gain any weight!" she said. "I will simply work out more."

Easy to say, of course... But one thing she has going for her is that she eats a LOT slower than I do. I was always waiting for her to finish her meals...

And I probably should learn her pace. I know I eat to fast. And eating slower lets you feel full sooner...

... in response to I've heard about the "freshmen 10&q..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

When I was visiting my girl in Moscow I stayed in her flat.
Each morning she made breakfast it was the same thing...porrige (oatmeal) and each day we had bread with cheese and kilbasa and fruit for a mid day meal. She was always feeding me...seemed like all day.The evening meal was always different but she preferred fish or chicken,always pan fried and served with fruit and a type of salad. I ate as much as I could...it was strange, I lost weight but not that I tried to. When I returned home, I gained it back quickly, not because I porked out...I figured it out a few weeks after my final visit. When I was in Russia, anytime we went someplace it took 2 hours to get there and back...just to go to the grocery store...2 hours minimum. We were always on our feet, standing...waiting for the tram...or walking to metro..riding metro standing..walking back to her flat....always walking or standing. My feet were killing me!
When she invited me to her family datcha..she said we will take the train and walk through the forest a short way....she did not mention that it was a 5 mile walk, each way! She says...lets go for a swim at the river near her datcha....the river was 2 miles away!

When my wife first came here, she noticed the larger portions of food in the restaurants...she liked the "doggie bag" idea of bringing back half of her meal to eat for lunch the next day. But...my wife found sweets very tempting...and she enjoyed icecream with chocolate syrup and the cakes and sweet pastry. Yes, she has gained about 10 pounds...but on her it went to her breasts,(smile) so I am not complaining. I do not think she will blow up..she likes her clothes to fit, and does not want to by more because she gained a few. So she backs off for a week and curbs her desires for sweets to get back on track

... in response to Re: I've heard about the "freshmen ..., posted by Apk1 on Jun 19, 2002

nt

... in response to The doggy bag is ingredients for 2 days ..., posted by yoe on Jun 19, 2002

Have you ever tried to take a bone away from a hungry dog?
You will probably get growled at...

My wife looks forward to her "leftovers"...it is a pleasure to see her all excited (smile) ..she does like American food though...especially BBQ ribs and Chinese food. She tells me that a Chinese restaraunt in Moscow is very expensive...we have 3 very good ones a short distance from my home, and each time I volunteer to buy dinner...she has her favorite one to choose...all three!

... in response to I've heard about the "freshmen 10&q..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

she ask why the food was in such big containers. then she saw all the FAT people, (I am from Indiana) and she ask why everyone was so fat-I said they all shop at Sams Club!
Joe

... in response to I've heard about the "freshmen 10&q..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

was being in a restaurant and seeing on the menu that a certain dish was a certain number of grams.  Then getting the plate and finding a hunk of my chicken breast cut off because it weighed too much! LOL!  They take this stuff very seriously!  

Doesn't do much for the food presentation with a big hunk cut off, you know? ;-)

... in response to 1st Attempt with Russian women and last...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

during his attempt at the first nail, he busted his thumb. Angrily he cursed the hammer. He went to and got a bigger hammer and busted his bent the nail-he cursed the nail. He then got bigger nail and broke the board-he cursed the board. Got a bigger board  that was too big-then he cursed God.
Many guys fail in this venture-mostly because they are not good with hammers.
Joe

... in response to I knew a guy who bought a hammer....., posted by yoe on Jun 18, 2002

There once was a guy with a hammer
who found a message board about mail order brides and
wondered, “what’s all the clamor?”
So he emailed a honey
and sent her some money
and in the end he found out she was a scammer.

... in response to a hammer???, posted by johnnydudeman on Jun 18, 2002

n.t

... in response to I knew a guy who bought a hammer....., posted by yoe on Jun 18, 2002


First let me say that I really I enjoyed your post...

It reminds me of the story of the guy who was the greatest woodcutter on the mountain.

He is in the general store one day and the shopkeeper shows him a new Chainsaw.

"Buy this," he told him, "and you can cut ten times the wood you do now!"

The woodcutter was impressed and bought it.

A week later he is back and throws the thing on the counter in disgust.

"Take this back. It is useless. I can't cut one half the wood with this stupid thing that I can with my axe and saw!"

The shopkeeper is amazed. "Maybe this needs adjusted," he says. "Let's take it outside and test it."

They go out back and the shopkeeper pulls the cord, and the saw roars to life

The woodcutter is amazed.

"What's that NOISE?" he asks...

Moral:

... and some guys fail because they don't ask for directions before they start...

... in response to And then there is the one about..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

you think you know it all. I don't need hand holding or direction from guys who HAVEN'T done it (married a Russian)...nor do I have to see more that I've seen to make an educated decision that its not the kind of effort or risk that I'M intersted in. There are allot of nice women elsewhese with allot less risk and emotional and financial risk involved. Don't make such assumptions and spew out senseless diatribe about helplessness. If I was a "newbie" I'd be buying into the bull**it, but I've got enough sense to see major pitfalls. If its your cup of tea...all the power to ya!!

... in response to You guys are so funny..., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

Something is not making sense here at all. If you have done your homework then you know that all MOB regardless of where you go has risk. Does going to the FSU pose greater risk?  You seem to think so but, I am not so sure. I think that there is just more written about it.

Where do you get your information that there is less risk with Latinos?

You say you do not need help from those who have not done it? So, you are saying that guys who have gone over, met several women with one or more trips over a six to 24 month time frame have nothing to offer you ---- yet you got scammed? Hmmmm.

Maybe the whole MOB thing is not your cup of tea relative to risk. I personally do not think, but can not prove just that you can not prove the opposite, that going to the Latin American countries is going to provide any less risk. I will agree as I mentioned before that more has been written about the FSU scammer which very well mean nothing.

I would like to have to you return to keep us posted regarding you new direction and how it turns out for you.

Are you up to that? If not, good luck to you and may your non future FSU days be scam free

... in response to You guys are so funny..., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002


If Calenas are so great... why'd you divorce one?

Just curious...

... in response to You guys are so funny..., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

one man pit fall is other man wishing well!
and one man dung heap is other man flower bed!
you are going to need a little better sense of humor if you are going to even venture out of your home town for date-let alone a lifetime partner.
Joe

... in response to You guys are so funny..., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

man take it easy.  This is the land of steel bearded rough-necks.  Not a very friendly or hospitable place for a new guy (to the russian game that is)...   It takes some getting used to.  I remember last year freakin apk bit my head off asking a simple newbie question and I told him and the board to f-off in no uncertain terms.    

many dudes around here think they got a six footer between their legs and are f'ing know it alls.  It's an entirely different set of rules over here compared to the latin or asian board.  

To each his own.  Do what works for ya and don't get dragged into the brawls that "erect" so easily here.

... in response to Good Grief Bob!, posted by BrianN on Jun 19, 2002

I poked her 3 times and smacked her up side her head!
and she still was not happy! What do women want anyway?
Joe

... in response to Good Grief Bob!, posted by BrianN on Jun 19, 2002

We are sorely in need of good jokes and extra entertainment here, and one always spawns another.  The writers here can be quite inspiring at times.  

You, I assure you, were not the butt of any of this unless it was directly written to you.  Don't fall for it man cause that dog won't hunt.

... in response to And then there is the one about..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

you think you know it all. I don't need hand holding or direction from guys who HAVEN'T done it (married a Russian)...nor do I have to see more that I've seen to make an educated decision that its not the kind of effort or risk that I'M intersted in. There are allot of nice women elsewhese with allot less risk and emotional and financial risk involved. Don't make such assumptions and spew out senseless diatribe about helplessness. If I was a "newbie" I'd be buying into the bull**it, but I've got enough sense to see major pitfalls. If its your cup of tea...all the power to ya!!

... in response to And then there is the one about..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

by your story telling approach. I use it when I do not want to be demeaning, confrontational or personal. I am glad you liked it-it was off the cuff.
Joe

... in response to I was inspired.........., posted by yoe on Jun 18, 2002

Sheesh... that was good.

Mine are never off the cuff...

I steal my stories :-)

... in response to And then there is the one about..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

n/t

... in response to I knew a guy who bought a hammer....., posted by yoe on Jun 18, 2002

Now that was good.  :^)

... in response to Re: I knew a guy who bought a hammer......., posted by BrianN on Jun 18, 2002

...whatever floats your boat. I am not a quiter, or afraid to travel or venture outside the USA, I've gone out of the USA over 50 times in my life. It just doesn't look like a good investment, and those who know me, know I do take risks, but this one just doesn't show enough potential for such a substantial investment of time and money...with such dishonesty glaring you in the face.

... in response to Re: Re: I knew a guy who bought a hammer..., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

I mean... you said your piece... you took your shot...

Why do you keep coming here to tell us it is a "bad investment?"

Realize, of course that your coming on the board and saying that you think Russian woman are bad investments is kinda like me showing up at the Laker rally with a "Shaq can't make a Free-Throw!" T-Shirt -- Everyone knows, but no one much cares...

But you hang around to argue about it?

OK... you think Latinas are superior... fine...

Have fun.

Enjoy yourself in Colombia, Or Mexico, or wherever...

Why hang around here???

... in response to So, Bob... why are you really here?, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

Do you get some feelings of superiority with your insults big man? Tough guy? Your awfully cocky sitting behind your keyboard. Nothing here was directed at you...it must be that you work in a powerless enviorment and you get some sick satisfaction at lashing out at others...I'm sure you couldn't handle it man to man without your computer screen to protect you, or your keyboard to hide behind.

I'll just hang around as long as I'd like. In fact, probably just to annoy you.

... in response to do you feel better now?, posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002


Here's the problem Bob: I wasn't insulting you. I mean, it is clear that you came here with an agenda, and I was just curious what it was.

But... if you think I was being insulting... and you got your poor little feelings all hurt because of what you perceived were insults...

Then you know what? You'd BETTER not head to Russia.

You clearly don't have what it takes.

... in response to do you feel better now?, posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

...bicthy, ain't ya?

Whats the problem, got a little sand in your vagina? Pissed at the world cuz you ain't Bob1?

How'd you like it if I can over to your board and started crappin on your party? Try me, I don't work in a powerless "enviornment". He isn't high on my list either, but its one thing to insult a guy, its another to bully him. If your gonna be an a-hole, at least learn to do it on a level higher than Neanderthal. You give the rest of us a bad name.

Maybe I'll hang around too, just to annoy *you*.

... in response to Tad...., posted by LP on Jun 19, 2002

another tough guy...

... in response to Re: Tad...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

....I know, its a curse.

Few here play as hard as I do (and I actually buy some of what your selling), but you oughta lay off the "I'll kick your a**" mentality. Its not your best side.

... in response to Yeah,...., posted by LP on Jun 19, 2002

I ddn't post here to start trouble, but rather to voice an opinion. Some think they are real tough guys, and are really brave sitting protected behind their keyboards. I choose not to initiate direct insults, however, when some ignorant moron who thinks he's done it all starts spewing garbage...I will put in my 2 cents. But will not continue endlessly and mindlessly in a pissing contest...unless of course they want to come face to face and see who can piss the farthest!

... in response to Re: Yeah,...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

lp may have a couple of inches on ya...
I have heard that being in the air for a long time creates this gravitational effect and stretches certain parts of the body. I do not know from experience. But it seems that flight attendants are usually happy when I am on a plance!
Joe

... in response to Tad...., posted by LP on Jun 19, 2002

1. Pissed at the world cuz you ain't Bob1
2.How'd you like it if I can over to your board and started crappin on your party
3.Maybe I'll hang around too, just to annoy *you*.
you know I always give credit where credit is due!
Joe

... in response to do you feel better now?, posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

Bob,
No one took any shots at you.  Ligit questions and some jokes.  Have a sense humor.  Everyone wished you the best.
KenC

... in response to 1st Attempt with Russian women and last...., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002


Well, at least I don't have to dodge automatic gunfire in Kiev!

Seriously, I considered Latin women. I think many of them are extremely beautiful. And you are right, I do not think that the incidence of scamming is nearly as high.

But I think that the whole scammer problem is a little over-blown -- most scammers you can see coming a mile away.

And with Latinas in Texas, I have a different problem: Once here, there is no guarantee that they will assimilate into the "English" speaking society. They can stay "Spanish speaking" forever, and I was concerned that this could cause a lot of stress in the family...

But, there is certainly nothing wrong with the Calenas!

Good luck in your search, wherever she may be!

... in response to To each his own..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

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