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Oscar,
I would have emailed this to you but you do not post your address.  Rather than continue snipping with you, I will try and have an open and nonabrasive conversation with you.  
Below you post that you are not a newbie and challenge me to compare the amount of trips to the FSU.  You may not be a newbie to travel to the FSU (which was not the subject) but you ARE a newbie to most aspects of marrying a woman from the FSU.  Two weeks ago you were posting questions regarding the K-1 paperwork.  What has changed to make you an expert on the subject in 14 days?  That you have been able to "assume" that the paperwork you mailed was correct?  There is still a chance that your paperwork can be rejected for some unseen error.
   No amount a research can replace first hand experience.  There are many on this board that have much more experience in marrying a RW than you do.  Take every married guy here.  Take every guy that has had an embassy visa appointment.  There are so many details that you have yet to experience, like AOS interviews and Advanced Parol documentation, that a better approach might be to defer to those that have already traveled down those roads.  There are inconsistencies throughout the INS that you may have to deal with that you may learn about from listening to others with experience.
    You have a long road ahead of you even after your fiancee finally arrives.  Listen to the suggestions made from men here that have gone through the process.  Of course you can pick and choose which ones you will use and which ones to ignore.  But you are in no position to debate the validity of those suggestions until you have the same first hand experience.  I am sure that you are very experienced in many areas, just not this one.  What you don't know, you don't know and no amount of Internet research can rectify that.  I sincerely wish you only the best of luck in the future.  Ease back a little and join the club here.  We aint so bad.
KenC

... in response to come on Oscar, be honest, posted by KenC on Jun 13, 2002

Hard fought series with the Avs was the 'class' of the Stanley Cup this year.

Cheers!

- Dan

... in response to Off-Topic - Congrats on the Wings . . ., posted by Dan on Jun 14, 2002

I was suprised they were able to beat the Avs but the Avs were worn down from the series before the Wings.

... in response to Re: Off-Topic - Congrats on the Wings . ..., posted by hockeybrain on Jun 14, 2002

n/t

... in response to or maybe the Wings were just the better ..., posted by KenC on Jun 14, 2002

And this year, the Wings were the better team - evidence the Stanley Cup and the 7-0 result in Game 7 of the Avs series.

Congrats Wings - GO AVS!!

--smile--

- Dan

... in response to come on Oscar, be honest, posted by KenC on Jun 13, 2002

Oscar,
I have no idea if the letter from the Dad is necessary or not.  But let me give you an example of something that does not usually show up on a website.  When your future bride is issued an Advance Parol, it is supposed to allow her a free pass back into America.  It is a visa or sorts that will cover her until she gets her green card.  My wife, Lena, refused to use it for travel back home.  She had heard horror stories about girls NOT being allowed entry even with this documentation.  I blew it off as more Russian misinformation.  You will learn that any rumor told by a passing babushka will far out weigh anything you get from a website or INS.  LOL.  But that is another story.

Anyway, I posed this question to our immigration attorney.  Let me preface this with saying our attorney was excellent and very well versed with Russia.  She was envolved with a task force from America to help the new Yeltsen administration with immigration into the USA.  I was stunned to find out that there ARE reasons to not allow re-entry into the US even with an AP!  If the immigrant had ever "been out of status" she could be denied re-entry.  How this is enforced or why remains a mystery to me.

You have to understand the magnitude of your descions when it comes to a loved one.  I for one would want to hear ALL the possibilities to insure no mistakes are made.  I am also sure that you would feel terrible if you had passed on some mis-information that kept two loving people from each other any longer than necessary.  I know that is the point Dan is trying to make.  Now you guys play nice.
KenC

... in response to Re: come on Oscar, be honest, posted by KenC on Jun 14, 2002

Ken,
Actually the warning info on "advanced Paroles" as you mention it, is on some of the websites, including the Doc Steen site..

I just want you to know that I do NOT try to pass on crap info..  I felt with the issue of permission letters, I had more than a few sources to say what I said and I still do stand behind it..  As you might have read from a post of mine below, my girl IS getting a letter, as a hedge, but I do not believe it is necessary, nor will it prevent an ex spouse from creating trouble if her REALLY wants to.

Thanks for the debate as opposed to a name calling contest..  I feel that is what this site was created for..
I will never ding someone for an honest opinion.. It's the personal attacks that have to go..  I don't enjoy reading them about others, getting them myself or giving them.

Oscar

... in response to Re: Re: come on Oscar, be honest, posted by Oscar on Jun 14, 2002

Oscar,
The problem, as I see it, is you cannot opperate in "absolutes" in dealing with this process. You may think you have followed the rules 100% and then some clerk at the embassy, INS or customs throws you a a little known curve ball.  When it comes to the welfare of my family, I want to know all the posibilities no matter how obsure they may be.
    I never doubted your sincerity in trying to pass on reliable information.  I think you are wise to take the extra precaution of getting the letter from the Dad "just in case".  It is much better to be over prepared in this process.
KenC

... in response to Re: Re: come on Oscar, be honest, posted by Oscar on Jun 14, 2002

You insist that your position is correct based on what is written by others. Hmmmm . . .

Oscar, I provided you links that directly counter the position you staked out. These are from people that have very recent experience with the topic.

Doc Steen's site is a good one, however, just as the Doc Steen site has nothing about the Chicken Pox vaccination (vericella, IIRC) requirement for the AOS interview (something I just went through 2 days ago), it is not going to be up-to-the-minute on LOTS of information. And much of that information can be the difference between a relatively simple process and intense aggravation. I can tell you that the requirement for us to return a second time for the AOS stamp is very inconvenient and was nearly a complete catastrophe.

As Ken stated, the problem I have with your posts is the black-and-white nature of them on issues that can cause people serious problems. If you choose to post something that has little potential impact on couples and their processing - and it is 'all-wet' - I am not interested in debating those things with you. When you take on issues of import and are inaccurate or misleading, I feel compelled to respond - for the sake of the readers that will not be able to distinguish the relative merits of your post.

The board and its readership is best served by people who will describe their experiences - some of which are contrasting with others experiences - and that is healthy. It is not well-served (IMO) by those who come onto the board spouting opinion as fact and those who purport to *know* something about important topics affecting others and present misleading or out-of-date 'advice.'

These 2 areas have been my 'hot-buttons' for the time I've been on this board - and I suspect they will remain my hot buttons for the time I choose to continue to participate on this board.

The irony in all of this is that I had nearly stopped posting on P-L due to other time commitments/priorities. It really was your posts that resurrected my energy to spend more time here.

FWIW

- Dan

... in response to In The Face of Information to the Contra..., posted by Dan on Jun 14, 2002

Dan,

Show me where this information is "out-of-date" and where your information is the "correct" information-  Are you saying that it is "required" to have a permission letter??  

I have said ALL ALONG that an ex could make trouble if he really wanted to, with or without any "letter".  It is not a golden parachute Dan.  What I have said is that "it is no longer REQUIRED" by the people your woman must pass through to bring a child to the USA, not at the passport office, not at the airport in either the US or Ukraine.  So where is the black and white Dan?  My girl is getting a letter Dan but I know that if an ex decides to get nasty, it will not be worth the paper it is written on!  I will let you know if my girl is asked even once for this letter, going from Ukraine to Poland, at the embassy , or in the airport or in the USA, ok??  If she is, then you can give me a hard time.  Those men I have spoken to, not one was asked to produce this letter either.  I suspect (SUSPECT) that the men who have had trouble with this are those where the ex has gotten upset and done something about it, at which point the letter would hardly be much help!
What you say about links to the contrary really doesn't have anything to do with it.  There are many people who go in for a simple operation that hundreds have no problem with, like an appendectomy, yet they happen to have complications.  I am certain there are men who have had problems getting a child out, but a "LETTER" is no longer "REQUIRED".  You may have to hire an attorney, go to great expense, be miserable etc, if an ex gets upset and wants to cause trouble or wants to be "paid off" but the letter is no longer required by the agencies involved from what I have found and the people I have spoken with.
I am sure there are AM out there who had a letter and yet they had complications with getting their girls child here anyway!  It is because an ex husband got upset that things became complicated.  A man there could sign a letter one day and the next, change his mind and contact a judge to quash it!  What I have said is that from a govermental perspective, it is no longer required to have this letter.  And it is not posted on JUST the Doc Steen site, but on many sites now.  You also seem to keep glossing over what I have said about speaking to men who have brought children here without any letter and were never questioned at all, not at Borispol, not in the USA.  And the fact that my girl asked specifically about this at the passport office there and was told it was not needed!  I think this is all enough for me to feel comfortable with what I am saying about this subject.  I'm sorry if you don't like it, or can't accept it, but it is what it is..

... in response to Re: In The Face of Information to the Co..., posted by Oscar on Jun 14, 2002

Del has kindly cited numerous legal sources for you to review.

I have posted links to people with recent experience that counters your claim.

I haven't even bothered to bring in my own personal experiences - or those of the many people with whom I have contact and have counter-experience (first-hand experience, I might add) to your claim.

Yes Oscar, it *is* true that some (maybe many) have successfully brought children over with little or no difficulty or questioning (or need of a letter).

And yes, it is also true that some (maybe many) have, indeed, been required to produce a letter. With an increasing focus on illegal human trafficking - and on increased scrutiny of immigrants to the US post-9/11 - it also seems (based on others posted experiences) that - whereas the authorities in Ukraine and the US have been relatively lax in the past with enforcement on the issue of paternal rights - that is changing.

You are wise to obtain the letter from the father. Why then you so dogmatically insist that the letter is not required - in the face of evidence to the contrary - given the fact that you know absolutely nothing about Ukraine law - considering that you, yourself, are getting the letter - well, it makes so little sense that the only possible explanation is that you want to make a 'fight' over it.

- Dan

... in response to Lost Cause . . ., posted by Dan on Jun 14, 2002

No, Del was speaking about ILLEGAL ABDUCTIONS which are immaterial here.  It is not illegal in any way if the woman has sole custody.. at least not according to the agencies involved NOW, at this point in time, in the universe as it is currently constituted, as we now know it.  
If it changes in six months, you'll be the first to know, but as it stands now, a letter is not required if these conditions are met.  I will not address THIS issue with you again as it is like spitting into the wind.  You accept what you want, conveniently forget what you don't, are abusive, vengeful and childish in your personal attacks, in my opinion.

So, if you want to pay me my outpaitent rate of $90 per hour, I will be happy to help you with these issues..  But if not, then I am done wasting my time..  I felt what Jack had to say was quite well put and I would have been more than happy to leave it there, but you??  No..  You just can't leave it alone can you Dan?  Well, you will have to go it on your own because I will not waste more of my time, unless you wish to pay my fee..  

As I said earlier, if you must be like this with a total stranger, what must life be like for those who actually live around you that happen to "disagree" with you??  I don't want to think about it..

Best of luck to you and yours and congratulations on your AOS situation..

... in response to You can pay my fee Dan or you will have ..., posted by Oscar on Jun 14, 2002

...what a pompous a-hole. $90/hr? lol, thats my tax bill.

Since I'm long finished with this (and settled in with a woman who wouldn't give a fool like you a second glance), there are very few things that could provoke me outta retirement. However, reading your crap of late is one of them.

Your entire story has been a big laugh from day one. Another "pick a chick ASAP" wonder, you haven't a clue as to what your doing and yet you have the cohones to spout off to people in the know. From what I've observed, you *do* attack people first and *are* a mean spirited person. An egomaniac who can't possibly be objective about himself, I would think in your vocation you'd know better. Funny how your type is always the last to find out what weeniers they really are. Say, your last name wouldn't be Myer now would it?

At least I know my faults (obviously I share some of your's) but continually stickin my head up my butt isn't one of them. Best you look in the mirror and heal thyself. Seems your $90/hr edjumacation also prevents you from following simple instructions for the paperwork. There are plenty of guys who've brought children over, myself included. Read the archives Sport, thats what they're there for.

Jeesh, this pick of your's must be one fine piece of work to hook up with the likes of you. I wish her luck, shes gonna need it. One good thing though, you be an inspiration to jerks worldwide who think they have no chance of snagging one of these chicks.

So, hows it feel to have your house blown down? If it'll make you feel better (and I'm sure it will), huff and puff in reply all ya want, I'm  goin back to sleep. The rest of you stay outta trouble.

... in response to Oh please...., posted by LP on Jun 15, 2002


Obscure reference... but in the 70's EST was a philosophy that basically got people into a room and told them how worthless they were.

This somehow made them feel better about themsleves.

And people paid for the privelege!

Seems that as people line up to welcome our board's own "Don Rickles" back, I am thinking about that...

Dunno why...

... in response to The Local EST trainer returns..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 15, 2002

...Because its likely more effective than anything the so called mental health care "professionals" offer. Why is it these guys are usually the least (or most, depending on how one looks at it) "mental" of us all. Oscar would be surprised if he knew how much testing I had to go through during my current and previous careers. In spite of my acidity, they say I'm good to go. Lol, it kinda makes my point about them even more valid.

Look, I'm sure Mr. Myer is a nice enough guy but he was being obnoxiuos to two of the more intelligent people here and needed to be spanked. If you want to spank me for the same crime, be my guest. Me thinks my skin is thicker than your's anyway. I should actually thank you for providing me with the greatest test of willpower I've had in years. You make it difficult, I mean *really* difficult, to avoid telling you something that would rock your world. Lets just say the crew of the Enterprise and you don't share one thing in common. Fwiw, I wish you luck anyway.

APK: Fooled everyone? Hardly. Many of my posts before I moved on contained obvious hints that I was done with the process. In addition, there are people here who knew. Wheres she from? If you mean the FSU girl, shes from the same city as another guy's recent "find". Other than our jaunt to Moscow, I focused solely on this city for two years. I went though a lot of girls there, rejecting all who didn't live up to my standards and leaving them for others who, apparently, have lower ones.

Besides, I'm not one to publish the details of my personal life and frankly, don't understand those who do. Imho, only insecure men with limited or poorly learned relationship experience post fotos of their "trophies" and wax poetic like smitten teenagers. Its enough at times to gag a maggot, no wonder outsiders thinks we're all losers. Even our resident romantic here doesn't resort to that and note that most men don't either. Course, thats just my opinion. (Btw, I hope all is going well for you two.)

DE: Thanks (I think ;-), but I'm not returning. Just happened to sneak a peek and thought I'd make my presence felt. Lol, I'd pass the torch to you but I don't think you have what it takes. (Thats a compliment, btw ;-) I wish you luck as well.

Hello to KenC also. You'll be pleased to know the "theoretically" right thing was done, although I completely disagree with you about the child. Its a package deal and a man's got to take responsbility for his actions when they so deeply effect the lives of others. Continued luck to your wife and you.

So long.

... in response to I'll tell you why...., posted by LP on Jun 15, 2002

There ya go again...

Vague references... Inuendos... insults...

Typical LP...

Lemme see in two posts, you've managed to say:

"I'm sooo much smarter than you... I'm so much better than you... my job is more important than yours... and my woman is better than you could ever get..."

Did I forget anything?

Oh... yeah... you also insinuate that my fiance is a whore...

Nice LP... so glad you came back to enlighten us all again...

... in response to Vague Insinuations, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 15, 2002

.....I NEVER meant to insinuate that, you simply chose to see it that way. What makes you think I was refering to you at all?  Even if I was, the fact that I *may* have met her doesn't make her a "whore", does it? Thats pretty narrow minded, me boy. Did it ever occur to you there may be another explanation?? Why don't you simply ask her? Keerist, how old *are* you?

As to the rest:

1) Don't you think your woman is "better" than anyone elses? Seems normal to me.

2) "Better" than you? What does THAT mean? Are you in sales by chance?
Or have you been paying Oscar $90/hr?

3) Smarter than you? I dunno, seems I'm smart enough not to offer myself as an expert on Kiev after one trip. Smart enough not to take as long as you and then pick one that comes along, think I'm in "love" and start the K1. Gettin desperate were you?

Smart enough not to jump to the beliefs and conclusions you just did based on "vague references and innuendos". Hows THAT work anyway? Is that a "smart" thing to do?

4) Yes, my job is far more "important" to ME than yours. Some would argue, by dint of the responsibility, its more "important" than some others. The pay is certainly commensurate with the responsibility.
So what? Not proud of what you do?

Insults? Ok, here ya go: You be an immature, narrowminded, thin skinned, petty little child in a man's body. I simply wanted you to understand you are just plain wrong about your conclusions this time.

I still wish you luck, have a nice life Sport.

lol, man!....Texans, are you all so hard headed?

... in response to Vague Insinuations, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 15, 2002

He must've married a russian pilot.

... in response to Forget it..., posted by BrianN on Jun 15, 2002

...as far as I know there are no such things, at least in civil aviation.

Even then, I wouldn't do it. I've had my share of those encounters and if they're like ours, they can be pretty screwed up.

Good luck Brian, take care.

... in response to No chance...., posted by LP on Jun 15, 2002

.......me.

... in response to HEY, I know one Texan not hard headed!!, posted by Jack on Jun 16, 2002

123

... in response to I'll tell you why...., posted by LP on Jun 15, 2002

Well LP, I kinda missed out on a lot of things said on this board the last 3 or 4 months...just checked in a few times untill recently, my wife and her son are away visiting a friend in Carmel so I guess I had some time to kill.

Anna and I are doing great, thanks for asking.

Good luck with your journey....and good luck with AOS in San Francisco if you have not done so yet...get there at 5:30am and be prepared for a long day!

... in response to The Local EST trainer returns..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 15, 2002

All come clear. --smile--

Cheers Mark!

- Dan

... in response to Perhaps You Need to Ponder Some Frisbees..., posted by Dan on Jun 15, 2002

Ha!

I'd forgotten all about that post Dan, thanks for reminding me...

But I think it would take quite a few whacks in the head with a frisbee before I'd come to appreciate his one-note song.

I can hardly wait until he gives us his long drawn out "I'm leaving for good" speech again.

I figure he'll post that good-bye about five or six times, then "disappear" for about five months until he can't stand it any more, and come back again to see if anybody misses him...

Reminds me an awful lot of DavidSD...

How many times did David tell us he was leaving? Sheesh, I lost count...

But if anyone can say good bye as many times as DavidSD... it'll be LP.

I have complete faith in him...

... in response to Perhaps you are right :-), posted by MarkInTx on Jun 16, 2002

All one has to do is look at LP's profile comments where he is actually "raving" at nobody in particular, to see the guy is truly sick. Complete distain for one and all..
Can you imagine the kind of woman this guy might have been able to fool into being with him??  I guarantee, if there actually IS a woman, she will be gone in 6 months, if she speaks English, maybe less! LOL!

The guy knows everything so what could you possibly tell him that he would possibly hear??  That's why I have quit with Dan, because he is an LP in progress.. LP being the final raving, pathetic end result.. Archie Bunker on Meth..  ;-)  

This Mark, is why this guy went to the FSU to find a woman.. because there is not a single AW that would EVER have him, so he has to try to fool an unsuspecting foreign woman.. There ought to be a law against it.  I mean, even Ted Bundy could be a riot on a short vacation with no stress, but try living with the guy?

Hang in there, most of us know the score and think you have done and are doing a great job with a nice lady..  What you think should be enough, certainly in the face of this lunatic.  It's obvious the guy is jealous of what you have and what you feel for this woman, something he is incapable of feeling or having.. Kind of sad really..

Later,

... in response to Re: Perhaps you are right :-), posted by Oscar on Jun 16, 2002

Oscar,
Interesting enough, I have a great deal of respect for Mark, Dan AND LP.  Mark, of course, is a hopeless romantic and I respect the way he bares his soul here with his posts.  Dan is by far the most knowledgable board member here regarding visas and travel to FSU in general.  LP is famous here for "telling it like it is."  Of course I do not agree with EVERYTHING these men think and say and I would not think that LP & Mark would be pals as they come from opposite ends of the universe.  I respect both points of view.
You are so far off in your assesment of LP, it is comical.  I can assure you that LP was never in need of female companionship.  As for "knowing the score", you don't even know what inning it is, let alone the score.
KenC

... in response to the pot calling the kettles black?, posted by KenC on Jun 16, 2002

C'mon Ken, all anyone has to do is look at what this guy has posted the past 2 days and what his profile says, to see he is an abusive narcissist.  Mark was pretty accurate in his assessment.  How you or anyone else could sit by while he spouts his abusive "crap" without saying one word to him is just amazing to me.  It doesn't say much for your character.  I guess you have just so gotten used to it so you let it slide, but for someone seeing his behavior for the first time, it is unbelievable.

I'm so glad a few people finally chimed in about his garbage in the posts above.  It's too bad you haven't the backbone to tell him he is being a complete jerk.

... in response to Re: the pot calling the kettles black?, posted by Oscar on Jun 16, 2002

Oscar,
I have never seen one that knows so little speak so highly about themself as you.  No, I take that back.  Mdante was as arrogant and condenscending as you.  Thank God he is no longer able to post here.  You call everyone names and then accuse them of doing the same.  LP is a little rough around the edges and doesn't mince words, but he usually has something valid to say.  You have managed to offend me, Dan and others with YOUR abusive name calling and innuendos.  Quite an accomplishment for man that has yet to accomplish anything of importance regarding a foriegn wife.  It is YOUR finacee that I feel sorry for.  Someday I hope to be as smart as you.  LOL.  As for my backbone, don't you worry your silly azz about it.
KenC

... in response to I'm sick of you, posted by KenC on Jun 16, 2002


I am in disagreement here...

I DO agree that Oscar came on a bit strong, and picked some rather unusual people to spar with -- people like Dan don't usually get riled, and I find the war between Dan and Oscar amazing.

However... you really can't complain about Oscar's name-calling and then give LP a pass.

Come on Ken... a little honesty is in order here...

LP does more name calling in one post than Oscar does in ten.

And as for him "having something to contribute" I am curious... when was the last time LP contributed anything except abuse?

Please... search the archives and tell me...

When was the last time LP made a positive contribution about anything???

You may not like Oscar. That's OK. You may not agree with him. That's fine too. But the truth is the truth, and anyone who cares to examine things honestly can see it:

LP is as arrogant as anyone we have ever had on the board. And, he offers no encouragement or advice: Just abuse.

Feel free to enjoy his schtick... but don't try to tell me he is anything other than he is...

... in response to Actually, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 16, 2002

Mark,
The big difference between LP and Oscar is that LP has no desire to be accepted here by anyone.  He says what he says and will take whatever greif that comes from his position.  You may not like what LP has to say, but at least he talks plain and honestly states his opinion.  Oscar twists and turns his words to try and appear as one of the guys, yet his superior attitude will not allow it.  He is trying to be looked up to here and he really doesn't know squat.  I find that misleading and dishonest.  Both are blowhards, I guess, but at least LP is an honest blowhard.  LOL
KenC

... in response to the difference is, posted by KenC on Jun 16, 2002


The only difference is that LP doesn't care if anyone likes him.

And because if this, you like him???

It doesn't make sense to me.

Here's what I think:

You have a history with LP, so you put up with his crap.

You don't have a history with Oscar, and so you don't put up with his.

My take: Crap is crap...

Maybe if you and Dan would bust LP's chops like you do Oscar's, he'd straighten up...

... in response to I'm sick of you, posted by KenC on Jun 16, 2002

Does it matter to you that I have NEVER once attacked someone here without first being attacked?  No, I'm sure it does not.  Show me one example where I have done so Ken... you will not be able to.  Your misinformation about who did what is ludicrous.  Dan was and continues to be, the first to attack on a personal basis, taunting people, name calling, so try getting it straight.  Try actually reading the facts from the BEGINNING before you embarrass yourself ok?

Are you upset because like others who have spoken out here today, I have a backbone and will not put up with LPs kind of abuse?  Are you embarrassed for not calling him on it?  You should be.

If you can read LPs BS and call it "a little rough around the edges" and "not mincing words", you are deluding yourself.  It is abusive BS, simple as that.

If this is the way you operate, blaming before taking the time to read the facts, then I am glad to oblige in "offending" you.  I have no respect for you whatever...

... in response to Hey Ken, you should take a pill...  ;-), posted by Oscar on Jun 16, 2002

Oscar,
Just who the fruck do you think you are?  You have accomplished exactly zero in the way of marrying a RW yet you spout off like some guru.  (Going to FSU and getting engaged can be accomplished by ANY idiot, so no credit points there Bub)  You're a know nothing blowhard with condescending attitude.  Go blow your smoke up someone else's azz.
KenC

... in response to You are the most pompous a-hole here sin..., posted by KenC on Jun 16, 2002

I asked you a simple question Ken- To show me ONE TIME that I attacked anyone here without being attacked first.  And THIS is what you come back with?  This childish, name calling joke of a response? Give me a break!
More than one of us here call you on "applauding" a person here like this LP and this is your response?  And of course only to me.. ;-)

I'm spouting off like some "guru"?  You mean offering to try to help men by answering questions if I can, emailing info of mine to those who ask, and thanking those who have helped me?  I have paid my dues with 4 trips there Ken, I'm not quite the "newbie" you seem desperate to label me.

Accomplished Ken?  You think You're more "accomplished" than anyone here just because you go on one trip to Tver and pop the question to the first girl you meet?  Give me a break?  Sounds pretty desperate to me..

And I really didn't know it was a "contest" here to see who was the better person just because they were or were not yet married Ken..  
Are all of us who happen to have a few more standards than you and have actually met more than one woman there before we made an informed choice "zero's" Ken?  You think you are somehow better or more accomplished or above us for that??  

Sorry Ken, but any "idiot" as you say can go over one time and marry the first woman he meets "(so no credit points there bub)" as you say.

I'm sorry you don't like that I am disrupting your elitist dream, but I am willing to try to help those who ask and if I don't know the answer they seek, I will try to help them find it.  So get used to it, and try leaving the childish BS at home.

... in response to Yeah Ken, Name calling like that takes r..., posted by Oscar on Jun 17, 2002

Oscar,
You cannot help anyone here because you don't KNOW anything about this process.  Two weeks ago you were using Rags and Jacks to help you fill out forms.  Now you are some Zen master of the K-1 process.  You're a joke.  You also don't know anything about my history.  So blo me.
KenC

... in response to Oscar, you don't know jack sh!t, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

You didn't answer ONE of my questions I posed to you, not one..  You want to debate issues?  No problem, but if all you can do when confronted with simple questions or truth (truth hurts sometimes don't it!), is name-calling, you just aren't worth my time..

There are MANY people here who discuss "the process" who have not yet married.  In fact, it is likely many have better info than YOU because things change and you have been out of it for a while while they are seeking fresh answers..  But be sure to notify all of them that they have nothing to contribute because they aren't "married" yet! LOL!  
Where do you get off thinking you are somehow better than everyone else just because you are married?  Like I said, anyone can go over and marry the first girl they meet.

And when I ever said I had all the answers, I would love to know..  I ask people questions all the time, on the board, by email or phone..  If I don't have an answer, I will find it.  And I am happy to help those I can.  
 
And yes, I have heard all about your "history" and I was hardly impressed.

Quit wasting my time ok??

... in response to Ahh, another one of those well thought o..., posted by Oscar on Jun 17, 2002

Wiener,
I don't think I am better than everyone here, just YOU.
As always, blo me.
KenC

... in response to Hey, Wiener, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

And please quit asking me to "blo" you.  I know you are obsessed with me but I am heterosexual AND engaged, so you will have to find another man to help you there..

Ken, get a grip.. try reading your 3rd grader name-calling posts to see how lame you are coming off!

Get a life, ok?

... in response to Quit wasting my time Ken.. Go to recess ..., posted by Oscar on Jun 17, 2002

Oscar Wiener,
You cannot help but still read and try to get the last word in, can you?  LOL
KenC

... in response to Just can't stop, can you?, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

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... in response to When your words are so assinine, I have ..., posted by Oscar on Jun 17, 2002

Oscar,
Have to get the last word, don't you?  You think you're too important for your own good.  LOL.
KenC

... in response to Keep it up, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

But you have a great evening!  ;-)

... in response to No, not too important, just not willing ..., posted by Oscar on Jun 17, 2002

Can't stop, can ya?

... in response to what abuse?, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

OK I GET THE LAST WORD------------good things are back to normal. :)
Joe

... in response to what abuse?, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

and I don't see you stopping bud! LOL!

... in response to All your childish name calling etc.., posted by Oscar on Jun 17, 2002

NOW i GOT THE LAST WORLD
WHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

... in response to S T OOO OOO OOO PPP PPP!!!, posted by yoe on Jun 17, 2002

....and neither have I. Standby..... ;-)

... in response to No... you haven't....., posted by LP on Jun 17, 2002

just like old times, huh stud?
Joe

... in response to :), posted by yoe on Jun 17, 2002

I documented when I wrote this that you would reply!
gotcha!
Joe
I also documented that you would come out after that trip report---------Hoosier Daddy!
Joe

... in response to ps good buddy..............., posted by yoe on Jun 17, 2002

...documented where? You're wrong, it was coincedence I stopped in.

lol, and for a guy who "needs and thrives" on people's approval, I sure have a strange way of going about it, eh? ;-)

Sadly, no, it won't be like old times.

... in response to I'm sick of you, posted by KenC on Jun 16, 2002

that told you that your were a dulded old fool(check archives for quote)? The same one that indiscreetly and sometimes not so indiscreetly called you a loser for marrying a young woman within just a few days of actually meeting her? I rememeber those days! do you?
Joe

... in response to Is this the same Lp............, posted by yoe on Jun 16, 2002

Joe,
You may have your wires crossed on this one.  Lena and I married almost a year after our first meeting.  But, yes, I have endured some of LP's rath too.  It wasn't until later that we came to know each other better.
KenC

... in response to Perhaps you are right :-), posted by MarkInTx on Jun 16, 2002

As he is clearly the board therapist, or at least makes a big point of his vocation for us all to be impressed --smile--.

Seriously, it seems you (Mark) and LP just have some sort of naturally toxic styles with one another. It is too bad - because I happen to like what both of you contribute.

As for the frisbee - that was one of the funniest threads I'd seen in a while, so I guess it stuck with me.

All the best,

- Dan

... in response to "Natural Toxicity" - Maybe Ste..., posted by Dan on Jun 16, 2002

...civil to this a**hole but hes just a pansy little candy a**. No wonder he couldn't pull it off with an A/W. Another example of a "man" who gives this process a bad smell. And I'm sure he'll be missed when hes gone.

Since he wants to play, I may stick around just to keep him in line. If I don't, rest assured if or when I come back, I'll treat him less gently than now.

Thats assuming he doesn't gagged us all to death with more of his sappy 16 year old, pimply faced, star-crossed little boy love crap.

... in response to Oh please...., posted by LP on Jun 15, 2002

out of retirement.  Hasn't been quite the same around here since your retirement!  Maybe you could come back part-time as a retired annuitant  :)

... in response to Oh please...., posted by LP on Jun 15, 2002

LP...You fooled us all!

Glad to see it, where is she from?

... in response to Oh please...., posted by LP on Jun 15, 2002

;-)

... in response to You can pay my fee Dan or you will have ..., posted by Oscar on Jun 14, 2002

Is *that* all you charge??

Sheez Oscar - I thought I was dealing with a true professional. Mere LSW's make that much! Are you SURE that's all you charge?!?!?

- Dan

... in response to Re: come on Oscar, be honest, posted by KenC on Jun 14, 2002

n/t

... in response to come on Oscar, be honest, posted by KenC on Jun 13, 2002

I would like to thank you for that.  I honestly do not feel I "attack" people first, but enough of that..

In regards to your comments.  I have no peoblem listening to others who have had experiences that I have not and learning from them.  MANY people have helped me Ken and I have often named and thanked them.
But in regards to THIS particular issue of permission letters, I had ALREADY spoken to men who HAVE brought children here, I scoured the Visa web sites confirming what they had said and then my girl told me what the passport office told her earlier this week!  So I come to the board, and try to give what I have found (yes, not having experienced it myself) to a couple of guys who were asking about the very thing I had been researching.  I tried to help.  I then go blasted by Dan, I have no idea why, still don't.  I never spoke about the "moral" considerations of getting or not getting a letter, I simply posted that from all I could gather (and from more than a few sources), that from the governmental standpoint, the "letter" was "no longer required".  

I think it is fair to say that people here often post info they have found even though they have not necessarily gone through a particular process.

I have now emailed my "contents" page from my K-1 to three men who have asked for it, because I wanted to help.  Ed Ragsdale sent me his content letter and it was an invaluable tool for me.  I expanded upon it some and hope it will in turn be able to help some of these guys.  Did I ever say to any of them that "this is the ONLY way to do this?".  No, I said, "this is what I have done, if it helps you, great".

I am not a mean spirited person, but I would say that sometimes here it kind of seems like the "good ol' boys club".  Often a new person will ask for some info that is pretty basic and they are often (not always) told to go search the archives, like they aren't worthy of the help or something..

Anyway, my 2 cents

... in response to Ken- Now that is a post I can respect an..., posted by Oscar on Jun 14, 2002

Oscar,

I do appreciate where you have offered posts which have been of help to me and to others.

A word about the "Good Ol' Boys" feeling, though...

It is somewhat natural, and we have all felt like "outsiders" at some time. People react to that differently. Some will post only sparingly, and others will jump right in and post things right away.

Personalities vary and I don't think their is a right or wrong way to do this.

I got my share of: "Hey read the archives" advice when I first got on, too. And you know what: It is good advice.

The "Old guard" doesn't say that because the newbies questions are not worthy of comment... it is because most newbie questions do not have simple answers:

"Where should I go to buy a lady's address?

"What do you say to people who think you are a loser for doing this?"

"How can you spot a scammer?"

"What is the best way of finding the lady, and knowing she is for real?"

These are valid questions, but the truth is that there is no one answer. And the only answer worth anything is when you can read a thread and see the wide variety of opinions, and use the breadth of the discussion to form your own opinion.

So, if someone asks: "What agency is best?" I will say: "Read the archives" not because I don't want to offer an opinion... but because the better answer is found in the archive... not in my one answer.

Also, it is by reading the archives that you figure out who is who, and you are able to figure out whose advice seems most reasonable to you.

If you read a post KenC, and it is the first post you've read, you may wonder: Where does this guy get off offering advice? It is only after you read through the archives that you understand that Ken is one of the board's many success stories.

If you read Jack telling guys how to best find success in Ukraine... that doesn't mean as much unless you realize that Jack has been to the FSU countless times, and he runs FirstDream Agency...

So, it isn't an "exclusionary" thing... it is a way to introduce the newbies to the best way of figuring out what is going on.

Also, many newbies get on and read the board for quite awhile without even knowing that the archives exist!

Finally, yes, if a newbie starts by saying: "I read in the archives that _____  But I have a question... " it lends credibility to them. It shows that they are serious about this. Most guys WANT to help the serious men... but I don't have time to waste on tire-kickers and trolls...

I know that when I first got involved, I wanted to read whatever I could get my hands on. If the newbie doesn't have that thirst for knowledge, then they are probably going to get burned before this is over, because this is not an easy process, and most information will not be handed to you on a silver platter.

So... yes, I will tell almost anyone to read the archives. I don't do it because I think I am better than they are.. it is because it is the best advice I can give to someone who is starting this process...

BTW... I was kinda amused when someone's post recently read: "Even old-timers like Ramblin and MarkInTx have gotten engaged..."

Cracked me up... I never thought of myself as part of the old guard... just shows what can happen if you stick around...

... in response to Good Ol' Boys Club, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 14, 2002

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