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after that trip report.
1. Mark great writing and do not let that lump that LP tries to shove in your throat stick-he is a master at playing on insecurities and doubts.......
2. To those who have wondered where he was----------here he is....
a. how so many people could have so much enjoyment from being insulted is still beyond me.
b. and buy into the ole'bait and swithch! amazing
3. I like LP because I know he is full of poop-and he knows I know
4. LP that was a low blow with Mark and his fiance
5. I am here ready to play if need be!
Joe

... in response to Lp...............I knew you would come ...., posted by yoe on Jun 16, 2002

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... in response to Where did he post? n/t, posted by greg2 on Jun 17, 2002

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... in response to Lp...............I knew you would come ...., posted by yoe on Jun 16, 2002

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... in response to Lp...............I knew you would come ...., posted by yoe on Jun 16, 2002


Yoe,

Not to worry...

A while back, during the second troll attack I experienced here, I learned the secret to longevity on the board:

When you know someone's an idiot... you simply don't read his posts.

So... not only do I not believe the stuff he shovels... I don't even bother to read it...

... in response to Lp...............I knew you would come ...., posted by yoe on Jun 16, 2002

and its nice to hear from you too, because w/o you & LP it can become a little vanilla around here.
As for our old buddy Dante, he got banned for freaking out just a lot to often.
And Mark in Texas, if you're 1/2 the man that I think you are, don't even bother to get worked up over LP's rantings. I also have the feeling that things will go really well for you. Besides if you react too much you might surpass me as the boards 'anti-LP'.

... in response to Re: Lp...............I knew you would co..., posted by Stan B on Jun 16, 2002

Worked up?

Worked over about what?

I've been on the internet for years... And I've been flamed by a lot smarter, and a lot better than lil ol' LP, believe me.

Actually... I do kind of think it is my fault...

As Lazarus Long (the original crotchety old man) put it:

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time, and you annoy the pig..."

So, I am just sorry that I annoyed LP, come to think of it. What was I thinking?

... in response to Re: Lp...............I knew you would co..., posted by Stan B on Jun 16, 2002

Maybe the metaphor fits - and maybe it doesn't. Just a quick image that came to mind as I thought about the two of you - Stan and LP.

Stan, it seemed to me (and a lot of others) that you jumped into the marriage just a wee bit too quickly. Candidly, I do not recall all the details, but it strikes me the engagement occurred in under a week and the marriage ensued not long thereafter without much personal time spent between the two of you. Most would conside that at least a little reckless and it requires someone with a highly-optimistic outlook (rose-colored glasses) to be willing to do that.

Just my perspective - admittedly could be WAY off base.

LP, on the other hand, is trained to examine details. In some cases, it appears to be minutae to others around him and his critical analyses are only for those who have a less optimistic (or more pragmatic - depending on perspective) outlook on life. Those who are trained as engineers or scientists will often resonate with LP's style of investigation - but he is clearly not one to jump into something without giving it a thorough examination first (the microscope metaphor).

Again - just my perspective and could be WAYYYY off.

Just seems to me that we have 2 radically different approaches to the same objective.

Said objective being - to find someone we wish to spend our life with - correct?

Isn't there enough room on the board for these different perspectives?

- Dan

... in response to Rose Colored Glasses Versus a Microscope..., posted by Dan on Jun 16, 2002

Dan if you re-read my post I did say I was glad to have both LP & Yoe back, as it was getting a little bland w/o their diverse opinions, so yes 'me thinks' that there is plenty of room on the board for all of us.
As for my rose colored glasses, its actually quite the opposite, as I knew what I had the moment I laid eyes on it. And it has a lot more to do w/ persona than beauty, as the latter is not on the top of my list for my perfect partner. And you'll also rarely see me participate in the discussions on how to find a woman, as I realize that my method was extremely lucky and I fortuneately found 'my perfect partner' w/ the 2nd woman that I met over there. But being that I've met 1000's of women in my life, I don't think I needed to meet 5 or 10 more to validate my opinions.
As for your opinion that LP's training makes him better qualified to examine others relationships thru board postings, well thats another discussion and one I won't waste my day with...aloha

... in response to Re: Rose Colored Glasses Versus a Micros..., posted by Stan B on Jun 16, 2002

your telling me that you diagree with the LP school of getting girls. You mean that you should not (at least in theory) go have sex with as many vunerable women, make them believe that you *may* be interested in marriage, break their hearts until one sticks? I cannot believe that you are so naive. Yo found one woman, offered her honesty and trust, used your past experiences to validate your current decision? How old are you 13?
I don't understand how guys think that they can meet a woman in a few hour of 'MEETING' know. KenC is as LP put it deluded. Stan you are lost. Mark hopless. Dan who knows. The rest are just freaks. And Yoe? he is just stupid! did I miss anything? I hope that I have made myself clear......................
happy hunting!
Joe

... in response to Stan, now come one........., posted by yoe on Jun 16, 2002

Joe,
As I posted below, you are mistaken.  Lena and I didn't marry until almost a year after we met.  LP did give me greif regarding our age differences, but later mellowed on the subject.
KenC

... in response to you are mistaken, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

I thought that you ask your wife to marry you within a few days of your first actual meeting. Almost all of us did not marry at least a year after we 'met' our wives.........there is one exception though-LP. I hope that he did not know his 'wife' last year because he was still bragging about his conquest with RW and AW. So that means....................OH NO he was married abruptly. Maybe faster than all of us. He must have met on a monday, proposed on a tuesday and married on a Saturday to catch the Red Eye back home by Monday.
And yes he did change his tune-if you remember after him and I battled a few times and he did not get support, he started changing his tune. Why? He needs to be needed. He played on people's emotions and attacked people that ole timers like you and Dan would support him on. He did the old bait and switch. it never bothered me because I really do not care if you guys like me or not. My wife likes me 'mostly' and my mom, well the verdict is still out. But that is enough people in my world. I have always been consistent and honest. I have never condemed guys for decision of the heart-just methods. I would not even be here now if it was not for that 'Enterprise' Bullshet! I would not have been a open as Mark was, but I know that we all enjoyed the post very much-except LP. WHY? Because he cannot find this feeling. If he got married and I do say if, he never mentioned LOVE. Lonley people hate to see happy people. If I told my story now even I would think I was crazy. We are all nuts to do what we did! But like I always say, "if I was an oscar meyer weiner, every one would be in love with me"! hey now I know where lp got that name for Oscar................Hey big O that is kind of funny HUH? So I guess everyone but lp would be in love with me................but the verdict is still out.
peace love and happiness.
and who loves ya lp
I know you are reading this and you never stopped reading the board. It was not a coincidence that you showed up! This is your buddy Joe. Don't worry, I still luvs ya!
Joe

... in response to I was not clear.......as usual, posted by yoe on Jun 17, 2002

Joe,
I don't think you know LP at all.  I seriously doubt he ever jumped into anything without thoroughly checking everything possible.
KenC

... in response to Re: I was not clear.......as usual, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

from the horse's mouth, or 'me thinks' that he is afraid to look like an azz...

... in response to Re: I was not clear.......as usual, posted by KenC on Jun 17, 2002

i know him very well------------
rememember when he knew me and was coming to visit!
I never give out 'enough' info on me and I am not listed anywhere. He did not know anything about me. he thought I was in Purdue Country.......................he was way off. But, I did not call him on it. trust me, i know him and guys like him. one of my best friends living in Costa Rica could have been his twin. I even thought it was him for a while. These guys are meglomanics. But they are a lot of fun. they are obsessive compulsive and surive on people approval. that is why he stopped insulting some of you. And as far as getting girls..............comeon. I saw his date! She was ok for him, but believe me, my wife...........well lets just say she is better suite for me! see lp, I can be gentle. So yes I understand. And I do not hold it against him. Remember how I used to say, "how can a guy who hates the process so much, stick around"? I knew why! Because I relate. I am a azzhole too remember. there is a some lp in all of us-and a little yoe too!
peace
joe

... in response to Stan, now come one........., posted by yoe on Jun 16, 2002


You certainly seemed clear to me...

... in response to Stan, now come one........., posted by yoe on Jun 16, 2002

:-)

... in response to :-) ...  n/t, posted by Stan B on Jun 16, 2002

neat,.... I'm just a freak.

... in response to hey neat, posted by Jack on Jun 16, 2002

n.t

... in response to Rose Colored Glasses Versus a Microscope..., posted by Dan on Jun 16, 2002

The problem with navigating by a microscope is that you miss the big picture...

Ever see a razor under a microscope? It is filled with imperfections! It looks incredibly gross...

However, I can take that same razor, and shave with it with no difficulty at all.

Or, I can stand at my microscope and scream at eveyrone that they are all going to die because the razor is full of imperfections...

... in response to Navigating by a Microscope . . ., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 16, 2002

Hey Mark,

I am going to have to side with Dan on this one about LP.

Hey about this big picture thing - where is it written that everyone who knows how to use a microscope just happens to be someone whereby the microscope is super glued to their head and thus not allowing one to see the big picture?

Sorry but I do not see any logic in that only an invalid way of trying to undermine the substance of some darn good posts by someone you find rubs you the wrong way.

Now you want Dan to go back and show you where LP had insightful posts? Are you serious? (Dan don't you dare waste your time on such nonsense.)

Seriously, you could not find value in several of LP's posts?  If your answer truly is no - well - this confuses me because I guess I liked your story enough that I do not want to think that you will soon be running for the Presidency of the LA LA Land Club.

With so little to go on, I will admit that I have tried to figure this out and in my limited perspective I came up with that

A) indeed you just might be soon announcing your candidacy or ------------------  B) perhaps LP rubs you just wrong enough that you can not find it in yourself to admit that irrespective of how you feel about the general tone of his posts  ------ that he does have some posts that are right on the money although not wanted to be heard by some.  

Now help me out here - only you know that truth - I take that back as that is an assumption on my part.

BTW even though you and your lady really do not know much about each other than the fairly world of  part I of a new relationship --- from your posts my take is your lady is genuine and sincere and if you are anything like KenC she most likely will continue to feel that same way. Such being the case you are a lucky man. I wish you two the best of luck

... in response to LP flavor (greg2=thesearch just differen..., posted by greg2 on Jun 17, 2002

Greg,

As I said in the above post, I'm done discussing LP. I've said all I have to say about him.

He's not worth my time, or the board space...

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

PS: Thank you for your kind words and warm wishes...

... in response to Final Words, posted by MarkInTx on Jun 17, 2002

Thanks again for the great trip report. Reports like that always are encouraging to those in the process. It is like being able to vicariously see the end of the journey that might be theres.

... in response to Re: Final Words, posted by greg2 on Jun 17, 2002

My pleasure...

You always take a risk when you are that transparent...

But I remember that when I started, it was the few positive reports that I read that made me decide the trip was worth taking.

And it is...

So I am just repaying all of those who encouraged me...

I'm glad that it was (for the most part) enjoyed...

... in response to Navigating by a Microscope . . ., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 16, 2002

And while you make a good point about losing the big picture - there are equally great points to be made about the utility of close scrutiny and analyses - the strongsuit that LP bring to the party.

If you care to - it is very possible to learn an enormous amount about this process by studying LP's posts and experiences. It is truly a shame that you won't ever discover that Mark - and it seems to be due to a closed-mindedness on both your parts to offer any appreciation to the other.

Mark, I also recognize that you are now somewhat along in the process and probably have less interest in all the learnings that some other readers might.

Still, it would be an enormous disservice to judge all of LP's posts to be arrogant and therefore worthless. I assure you (for whatever value *my* assurance holds) that LP has posted some of the most insightful and thought-provoking posts ever seen on this board. For that matter - some of the most humerous too. But I admit that it does take an appreciation of LP's particular brand of humor to see it - but it is there and others on the board have observed it just as I have.

I know my commentary will not persuade you to alter your perspective of LP - but it would be nice if it did --smile--.

- Dan

... in response to Hey Now! - This is *My* Metaphor --smile..., posted by Dan on Jun 17, 2002

OK, Dan...

You say that He is full of insight and analysis?

I say he is full of something else.

I posted above, using his own words and reference, why I feel the way I do. (And I notice that you didn't respond to any of that..)

Please... tell me three things he has said that you found thought-provoking and useful?

You should be able to do that... right?

Hey... I'm not the biggest fan of WSBill, but, I can even list THREE things that WSBill has said that I like. (In fact, WSBill once made one of the most eloquent statements I have ever read on here...)

But I have been reading this board since back when LP spelled out his handle instead of abbreviating it. His venom has, until recently, never been directed at me. And so, it was with an unbiased eye that I read his stuff and thought: "This guy is full of donkey dung!"

But, I am DYING to know what you have found to be so insightful...

Help me here... give me three posts. And I will go to the archives and read them

When... oh when... was LP thought provoking?

Not just provocative -- anyone can do that... I mean THOUGHT provoking...

He is nothing more than the board's version of a shock jock.

... in response to Hey Now! - This is *My* Metaphor --smile..., posted by Dan on Jun 17, 2002

hahahahahahahahahahahaha
sorry, I just had to get that off of my chest!
Joe