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Title: Some might find this interesting :c) Post by: Howard on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Well, it’s been a while since I updated you guys on the rebuilding process that has become I am waiting for my lawyer to call me with the court date that will finalize my Annulment. I see Ayesa from time to time. Of course, she looks better than I have seen her in a long As you all know, I have been going through this for a LONG time. It was barely August Through everything I see her for what she is. A confused little girl who feels lied to and WELL... This is all leading somewhere, I promise :c) In December, when I was most confused and angry, all I could think of was how to get on In December I joined Cherry Blossoms. Mainly, because it get’s talked about alot on At first I was striking out. I wrote to a few women whose profiles atttracted me and even I went to CB Chat and opportunities became more plentiful, but I had a hard time getting I met a couple very nice young ladies and was completely honest about my state of mind I was feeling pretty defeated and considered leaving CB and then I met the most While in Chat, mostly just cracking jokes with and about the other guys in Chat there :c), I After talking for about five hours, she sent me to her profile and I emailed the picture that We went on like this for weeks. We talked at least once a day for a few hours and I can honestly say that we have shared more with each other in just these short months She is older, she is twenty-five, than my wife and infinately more mature. She has a I know that the consensus here is that it’s impossible to fall in love with someone that you She has been very supportive if me at a time when I needed a pleasent diversion :c) And I know that I have some unfinished business, and keep her informed of my situation. I am I even told her about PL and invited her here. If you guys are nice to me on this, she I just thought it was time to share this with my friends here :c) Keep the Faith! H Title: Delurking to give ya my .02 Post by: Tim on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
So nice to stop by PL and find updates from you and Art.... I am going to make my reply to you without reading everyone elses, but it looks like alot of people had comments. I'm pleased to hear things are progressing smoothly for your annulment. That's a HUGE advantage in starting a new life. Howard, I admire your sense of fair play (always have), but IMHO you should shed yourself of this "falling on your sword" mentality. You owe Ayesa NOTHING. You should NOT falsely admit to being at fault in the marriage just to make her future life easier. If you do this, you are becoming part of the lies she's woven/participated in, and you undermine your whole "moral high ground" that has held you together through this mess. Don't cheapen the HONOR you've used as your emotional armor by doing something like this. If you do, you will come to regret it later, trust me. Sorry man, nothing personal, but that's the way I see it. You don't have to make things tough on her, but for the love of God don't take the blame for her. And NEVER put something like this is writing. It could come back to haunt you in several different ways. Ok, nuff said. On the subject of your new interest....I'm happy for you, but my advice is to go very very very very slowly. If you don't think you are on the rebound, you almost always are. The very fact that you joined CB and are targetting the RP again so quickly is all the proof I need. I fear that you might be doing this as some subconcious attempt to justify all the time, effort, and money you put into learning about the country and culture. Why can't you just take a year off (at least) and concentrate on learning about Howard ? Starting up a new relationship so quickly is just going to distract you from finding out what you need to know about YOURSELF. After my divorce in 1995, I took 3 years to get to know myself before I was ready to start my quest for a soul-mate. I'm not saying you need to take 3 years, but you should take a good long time "for yourself", without the distraction of a new budding romance. Ok, I've probably gone beyond two cents of advice. Sorry if this sounds lecturing. but I am counting on our long history to help you understand where I'm coming from. You know I'm pulling for you, and just want to give you my honest perspective on what I see in your current situation. Regards, Tim Title: Here's some change :c) LOL Post by: Howard on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Delurking to give ya my .02, posted by Tim on Feb 26, 2002
T-Bone, Nice to see ya old friend :c) It makes me feel very popular to know that it's usually my posts that wake you from your internet slumber :c) LOL Don't worry, I completely understand where you're coming from and appreciate your candor. YES, our friendship gives you that liscense :c) I think your advice is sound, but I just can't follow it. If the death of my marriage came suddenly, then I might need time to heal. The reality is that I was preparing for this for a very long time. I have done my soul searching and am truely ready to move forward. Yes this seems to have happened quickly--I know it, she knows it--but I am ready for this. You know, maybe better than anyone, how seriously I take everything. I was determined in the begining to not involve someone else before I KNEW I could go through the necessary steps when I felt the right one came along. Remember? Well nothing has changed :c) The reality is, I do know myself. I know exactly what I want and, maybe more importantly, I know exactly what I need. I joing CB after a few months of local internet dating services, when it became clear to me that nothing had really changed in the dating world. Too many screwed up people, carrying scars from past relationships and looking for more than they have to offer in return. Trust me, hold Wendy tight and thank God that you are not dating!!! LOL Seriuosly... when I went to CB I was just looking. I admit I was looking for closure with Ayesa and I thought that a new relationship might be just what the doctor ordered, but that is not what this is. I can't explain it any other way except to say that I have already thought of everything you mentioned--except about the falling on my sword stuff. Dave and Ray said the same thing and I think you guys are right. Thank you for opening my eyes :c)--and know that I am not in any sort of justification mode. My feelings for Gerlie stand on their own. She is honestly everything I have been looking for in a wife, but never found. I agree that the timing is suspect. I know how it might look to someone who doesn't know me better... My first priority is to her. I don't want to involve her in my life for selfish reasons, she is too special for that. If I was not ready, there are plenty of young ladies just looking to pass time on Cherry Blossoms. Meeting her is what forced me to really think about what I want. She is too special to let slip away simply because our relationship began just as my last relationship ended. This is not lonliness or grief talking. Trust me, old friend, I am as in possesion of my faculties as I have ever been :c) We are both in this with our eyes open. We are both hoping for the best, but being cautious in our optomism. I have had enough time getting to know Howard. He's a good guy, but needs to get on with his life :c) I wish that I had things more taken care of when this relationship came along, but I'd be a fool to push it aside just because of it's timing :c) Please give my best to Wendy! Your opinion is ALWAYS welcomed! Keep the Faith T-Bone ;c) H Title: Re: Here's some change :c) LOL Post by: Tim on February 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Here's some change :c) LOL, posted by Howard on Feb 26, 2002
Ok, you are the pilot of your own destiny. Just keep both eyes open this time. Let no red flag go unchallenged. I am following your advice too. Wendy is the most wonderful wife a guy could hope to have, and I'm holding her tight. Somedays I wake up and just can't believe the life I have is real, especially when I think back to the mess it was a few times in the distant past. I'll keep checkin' on ya here, so keep postin'. Regards, Tim Title: It's nice to hear you are doing good Post by: panther on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
I'm glad you're finally on the road to recovery and moving on with your life. I had a bad situation about the same time as you and when these things first happen your whole world is turned upside down and everything seems hopeless. It's hard to explain to someone who has never been through this. But life goes on and your life improves. I think of the U2 song "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of". I strongly agree with the other posters that you should go on with your life now and don't worry about your ex and her family. You have endured enough pain and hurt. You are entitled to some happiness now. Concentrate on your new friend and good luck. Title: I see your point... Post by: Howard on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to It's nice to hear you are doing good, posted by panther on Feb 25, 2002
Thanks Panther :c) Now when are we gonna get some news from you? Keep the Faith H Title: The news is........ Post by: panther on February 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to I see your point..., posted by Howard on Feb 26, 2002
I am a survivor. I now have a job for half of what I made before but I am still looking and at least working. Much better to have a job when going through a divorce than to not have one and have to take a second out on your house or borrow from your retirement. I am paying a high toll emotionally, mentally, and financially for such a short marriage but there are many people worse off. I just want to get out of this ASAP and maintain a relationship with my daughter. I won't be pursuing an overseas romance again. It's not for me. It's working for others so that's good for them. I am friends with my first wife(American white woman) and can find the right person for me in this country if I decide to remarry. I wasn't looking for overseas romance but was introduced by an acquaintance. I am glad things are now working out for some of those who had disappointments. I read the post from gerlie and it looks like you have found the right person. Thanks for all your inputs. Title: Ya know... Post by: Howard on February 28, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to The news is........, posted by panther on Feb 27, 2002
Hey Panther, Glad to see you're in decent spirits :c) Ya know, my first reaction--when everything finally set in about my seperation and impending divorce, now an annulment--was that I wouldn't be able to do the pen pal thing again. Then I started looking and let some of my friends try to hook me up. And I thought my marriage was a disaster! LOL After a while it became clear to me that the same things that made me look overseas in the first place had only gotten more adundant in my dating absence. I planned on taking my time, but Gerlie popped up out of the blue and was just too cool to pass up ;c) Whatever you ultimately decide to do, we will support you. I hope you keep us updated and that you find not only what you're looking for, but what you deserve :c) I guess, I'm just trying to say don't let one bad expirience, albeit a large bad expirience, taint you toward everything Filipino. There are way more good women than bad there, I have felt that all along. But, you will decide what is best for you and your friends will support you. I'm just saying, if your wife was the only negative you found, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to discount it as a viable option for the future. Keep the Faith Brutha! H Title: Re: Ya know... Post by: panther on February 28, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Ya know..., posted by Howard on Feb 28, 2002
Hey Howard thanks so much for your kind words and good advice. You really lifted my spirits up as I was hurt by the news that my wife is being used and living with an unemployed married man and I was told by a relative that I shouldn't send the wife anymore money. Actually I had hoped after the court had settled the custody, visitation, and support issues, I would hold off on filing for the final divorce on the hope of counselling and a reconcilliation. The news I received yesterday changed all that and gave me much hurt knowing that my wife was having intimate relations with another man she supposedly just met. My daughter is exposed to all this and what does it portend for her future? I told my lawyer I want the divorce done ASAP. Despite all this your post gives me hope and I most certainly do not hold all Filipinos in a bad light based on my individual experience. After I get this sorted out and heal and recover I may follow your advice and seek a new pen pal. I will continue to visit here and read the posts. Again thank you so much for your words of wisdom and again also congratulations on your new relationship. Panther Title: Re: Some might find this interesting :c) Post by: Taliman on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
Thanks for the update big guy. 2 is a charm...lol Dingo/Taliman/Christine Title: Wow!!! Howard I'm Excited for you.. Post by: greg on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
God is Good. Your being blessed becuz of your positive frame of mind. Keep the posts coming. :o) greg Title: Btw-Read DaveH's Post, take it to heart Post by: greg on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Wow!!! Howard I'm Excited for you.., posted by greg on Feb 25, 2002
Don't write Her Parents any Letter admitting Guilt or Blamming Yourself. As DaveH said..Her family can use your information against You. Just forget about them, you owe them Zero. greg Title: Re: Some might find this interesting :c) Post by: SteveB on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
H man, sounds good, I agree with DaveH, cut the cord, Its time for your ex to grow up and live her own life, you sound like a good guy and deserve a good woman. Best of luck from steveb and Julietb. Title: Hmmm, interesting... Post by: Bear on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
Yeah! We find it interesting (hehehe). Bear Title: Re: Some might find this interesting :c) Post by: joemc on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
Hi Howard, I hope the best for you ,I am glad you are getting over your past.and keep the posts coming Title: Howard is in LOVE again......tess Post by: Stephen on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
Is she that GERL lady that's new here. We are very happy for you. Tess & Stephen P.S. Use phonecards when calling to the Phils. It's prepaid so you need not worry about your bills. Title: Good Call Tess! Post by: Dave H on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Howard is in LOVE again......tess, posted by Stephen on Feb 25, 2002
Hi Tess, You should start your own "Psychic Loveline." ;o)) Howard just slipped that past the rest of us. LOL Hey GERL, where did you go? I hope we didn't scare you off. Looking forward to your posts. Almost all of us troublemakers are in love, so we are pretty mellow at the moment. ;o)) Dave H. Title: Tess B, Cyber Sleuth? Post by: Ray on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: H said that she's...tess Post by: Stephen on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Tess B, Cyber Sleuth?, posted by Ray on Feb 26, 2002
25 yo so I checked the profile of GERL and got it. And also she's the one that's new in here. H said that she told her about PL. Title: Tess! Post by: Jimbo on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to H said that she's...tess, posted by Stephen on Feb 26, 2002
Beauty AND brains! Yes! Jim :o) Title: Re: H said that she's... Post by: Ray on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to H said that she's...tess, posted by Stephen on Feb 26, 2002
Tess, you're just too smart for us! :-) Ray Title: Hey Tess :c) Post by: Howard on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Howard is in LOVE again......tess, posted by Stephen on Feb 25, 2002
Tess, Yes it is, can't get anything past the Filipinas around here! LOL Thanks for the phonecard advice, that will help :c) Tell Stephen I said Hi H Title: The Fall Guy... Post by: Dave H on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
Hi H, It's great to hear about the new friend that has come into your life. You are a great guy and deserve nothing but the best! I am also glad to hear that the problems of the recent past will soon be finished and laid to rest. It's honorable that you want to shoulder the blame and become the fall guy. However, due to the culture, Ayesa would probably be blammed even if she did nothing wrong. But, she is their daughter and they will always love her. Eventually they will forgive her...especially if she is able to stay in the US and continue to send money. After all, that appears to have been the family's primary motivation from the start. It might be OK to write a nice letter to her parents, but I wouldn't admit fault or take any blame. It is probably best just to move on. Be careful! I KNOW you will! Any statements can be used against you later by the INS and ex-spouse. She can self-petition by claiming to have been battered or subjected to extreme cruelty during the marriage. A letter where you admit full responsibility for the marriage breakup could help to prove that. Good Luck! Dave H. Title: Re: The Fall Guy... Post by: Howard on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to The Fall Guy..., posted by Dave H on Feb 25, 2002
Dave, Great Guy? Deserve the Best? No, Dave... this is Howard :c) LOL Hahahahaha Thanks Big Brutha ;c) You and Ray bring up good points that I had not considered. Do you guys ever get tired of being wise? LOL Give my best to your lovely wife and those future NBA stars you call children :c) MAN those kids are tall! LOL Keep the Faith H Title: Me, Myself, & Irene... Post by: Dave H on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: The Fall Guy..., posted by Howard on Feb 26, 2002
Hi H, Thanks Bro! My kids are getting so tall that I'm starting to ask them "Who's your Daddy?" ;o))) The only explanation I have is that both of my grandfathers were tall. Hmmm... Dave H. Title: Re: Some might find this interesting :c) --- but of course ! Post by: Windmill Boy on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
Hey big H I am so glad to hear that things are definately improving for you. Wow 5 hour marathon chats your fingers must have blisters ha ha ha. It is definately convienient for both of you that she has acess to the internet cafe like she does. I am glad that both of you are proceding Cautiously and not blindly. but stop worrying about inadvertenly sabotaging this potential relationship some way or other. Just be honest and be yourself that is all you can do. It definately sounds like she is interested in the status quo between you two.
Windmill Boy Title: Re: Some might find this interesting :c)....Honey Post by: Bear on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
hi Howard!!! I know the girl you're talking about. hehehe. We've been communicating through emails. I'm happy for both of you. We're of the same hometown and I could sense that she's a nice person. She told me about a guy she met on CB chatroom and while I was reading your post, she came into my mind. Oh well, sisssss!!! Gotcha!!! hehehe. Pardon me..I'm just happy:)) Bear's Honey Title: You GOT me! LOL Post by: Howard on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Some might find this interesting :c)..., posted by Bear on Feb 25, 2002
M, MAN... Bear isn't gonna get away with ANYTHING as sharp as you are :c) Yep, you know my pal. You busted me :c) LOL I hear girls from Mindanao are better, especially if they're from Davao! At least that's what Bear and Gerl tell me :c) LOL (Just kidding to the rest of the ladies from everywhere else!) It's good to see that you and Bear are doing so well :c) He's a good man, but I know you know that ;c) Our stories seem very similar, I can only pray that our outcome is as positive as yours :c) You should post more, I have always enjoyed your thoughts :c) Keep the Faith! H Title: Hi Howard! Post by: Ray on February 25, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Some might find this interesting :c), posted by Howard on Feb 25, 2002
Hey H! Glad to hear that you are moving on with your life. Just one comment/suggestion/advice: FORGET AYESA’S FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!! Don’t write to her parents. Forget about her family and her problems and Move Forward! She can fend for herself. It’s not your family anymore, it’s HER family. It’s no longer your problem, it’s HER problem. You’ve done all you can do with that marriage, now let it go! (Just a piece of friendly advice). So, when is this new buddy of your going to post here so we can welcome her to the family? Hi stranger! Come out wherever you are… If you’re a friend of Howard’s, your our friend also. Take care buddy! Ray Title: Thanks Buddy Post by: Howard on February 26, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Hi Howard!, posted by Ray on Feb 25, 2002
R~ As usual you are the voice of reason ;c) You're probably right, I think maybe it is time to just let things run their course. I have had very little control over the outcome so far, why would anything change now? LOL Keep the Faith! H |