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Has anyone had any experience dealing with Kherson Pearls agency?  I decided to go on their 7 day tour.  $699 includes an apartment and unlimited introductions.  Meeting at the train station is $10 extra and an interpreter is $5 an hour.  They have some of the most beautiful ladies I have ever seen and not just a few but a lot of them.  So far so good.  I send an e-mail to them to make sure I understand all of these terms correctly and if I can pay half by credit card in advance and the rest in cash on arrival and they agree because they do not accept credit cards there only over the phone here.  And in that e-mail I also asked if since I was going on the tour in a few weeks if it included addresses of ladies that I could write to before I arrive.  Their U.S. representative said yes but the owner in Kherson that was copied on the e-mail replied and said no.  But she said that the first letter and reply to each lady would be free.  So I write to over a dozen ladies and send photos and the owner writes back that they have changed their policy and first letters are no longer free (even though it is advertised as such on their website) and that I must open up an e-mail forwarding account.  This stupid agency just lost one client and I hope no one else will deal with this greedy lady that owns Kherson Pearls.  How do I know that all of those photos aren’t just models that she hired two years ago?  I do not trust them to just go over there and have her change a few more of her policies and extort more money out of the client without delivering the promised services and correspondence with the ladies.  How would I expect any of the ladies that I am interested in to show up unless we have corresponded in advance and why should I open up a $100 e-mail account when I am already paying for a tour and was promised a free first e-mail!!!!

... in response to Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by Ramblin on Apr 13, 2002

we got Pete,  meetin'  these 19 year olds.  Shame on you!  I mean unless you are 1 very HOT dude.  38 years...little long unless you are thinkin' of adopting.  In the other corner----Now,  we got this Tim M guy tryin' to be the mouthpiece for what can only be an agency out to makeacouplabucks.  A little high- end parade of 19 year olds for the 57 year old gringo.  Bring 'em on.  We will take your money thank you very much.  "Matchmaking"???  Just whatareya talkin' about.  KR is just fleecin' a sucker.  $100 bucko's for our hard work.  Yodeyode!  The girls get a free lunch or dinner and KR gets too much dough for settin' up the meetings.  And the girls complain.  He's too old.  Why don't you tell the girls?????  Duh!  You know Timmy boy,  maybe KR should throw some bucks the girls way---'cuz sounds more like an escort service---- you and your pals are running.  You should be paying them 50%.  Are you gettin' the drift there,  bucko.

Shame on both of you.  And,  Pete,  maybe 29 would be a better starting point.  And Timmy M,  your justification posts are cute...but worthless.  Ramblin?  If you and I were in Kherson...the last place to go would be KP or KR.  You know why???...they both smell like 10 day fish.

... in response to Isn't all this so very cute.....In 1 cor..., posted by tim360z on Apr 15, 2002

Tim,
I don't see what KR did wrong in this case.  They put two WILLING people together for a meeting for a price.  The details were only brought out in Tim M's attempt to defend europete's bogus claims that KR some how cheated him.  Read between the lines a little bit, europete hit many many other agencies without success too.  They all probably scammed him.  LOL.
KenC

... in response to Re: Isn't all this so very cute.....In 1..., posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

and for some reason...I can't see the 19 year old girl seriously going to seriously meet a 57 year old guy.  And seriously considering marriage.  Unless he's Harrison Ford or Sean Connery or something like that.  

I seem to have absolutely no problem with 20 or 25 years age difference...maybe that extra 13 years is just some mental bloc which I have.  Here most guys can spend some time with 19 year olds...but most likely they will be working for an escort service...37,  57 or 77 is not a problem.

Probably,  I mis-understand how the mechanics of this agency works.  As I understand this scenario: A 57 year old guy walks in off the street,  plunks down $100 and gets to meet 7 girls,  all marriage minded 19 year olds who would marry a 57 year old guy.  Apartment for the night included.  And he takes each one to lunch or cafe or dinner and they talk.  Just sounds like rent-a-date to me.  With their deal---thats $14 per introduction per girl and a little date.  Thats a pretty good deal, methinks.  It would be nice to have such an agency in my area...I can assure you...they would be very busy.

I would think an ethical agency would try to explain to Europete that his odds with a 19 year old bride are very thin and maybe he should reconsider.  Maybe refer him to another agency with some 29 year olds.  Take a referral fee.  

I don't know Ken???  I read the thing and it all came-off as ludicrious to me.  As I try to reconsider this...I am forced to conclude that Pete had a really good bargin here.  He shoulda been able to connect with just 1.  But that didn't happen.  And I am not too clear on just what Pete is lookin' for.  Sour grapes.  Let the buyer beware.

... in response to Yeah!  I am very sure they did---, posted by tim360z on Apr 15, 2002

Tim,
We are on the same page here but I think you may have missed a post or two.  Tim M said that Pete INSISTED on meeting very young women (19 yo).  KR's $100 charges covered meeting 7 girls and an apartment for the night if it was PRE-ARRAINGED.  "Walk ins" pay $40 for EACH introduction.  A price that is admittedly high per Tim M and has been changed since Pete's visit.  Now Pete's beef with KR is two fold, 1)He doesn't want to accept that there were two different price structures (one for pre-arrainged apt & intros, another for walk-ins) 2)The girls should have been more sincere. LOL.  Pete admits that he had 4 intros and that 2 were good.  The way I see it, he is dam lucky to be batting 500 and he owes KR 60 bucks!  But it is the agency that is crooked!  LOL.
KenC

... in response to Re: Yeah!  I am very sure they did---, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

Well, here you guys are again (or still) with wrong information.
Maybe you imagine that Kherson Pearls has an office in Kherson that a person can walk into off the street. Not so last summer; at least not one I ever saw. It was cell-phone calls and strange meetings at different locations with Alex, so I never saw an office one could walk into.
And after looking at the catalogs and giving the mother-in-law answers to her questions about me, she set out to make the arrangements for meetings. How much time in advance should a lady be contacted to meet someone before you distinguish between "walk-ins" and "pre-arranged"? They all had at least 1 day. One day, one month? Where is the difference. And what I really INSISTED on with a young girl is that she be informed of my age, so if it is a problem with her she can say no. Very simple! Alex always said "Try to meet her, you never know"!
My roomate in Kherson had used Kherson Rose to meet a lot of girls, one of whom he eventually married, and he informed me of their organization and how they worked with him. And he was a "walk-in".
As far as I am concerned, when I called Alex and asked what their program and pricing was, and he told me, that is what I expect to receive for the monies I am asked to pay. Maybe I am too demanding, to expect to receive what is agreed upon for a set price. But that is the way I am! If someone wants my money, they need to deliver what they promise. If not, don't expect to be paid by me. Maybe you guys are not of the same mentality. Your choice!
And how do you figure I owe Kherson Rose $60.00???Beats me!
So I wonder, before this month, have either of you 2 been to Kherson, and used the services of Kherson Rose agency?
Are you speaking of them from your personal first hand experience?
One last thing. Give me your opinion on this if you will.
Another practice of Kherson Rose agency last year was to charge men $7.00 per hour for the use of an interpreter other than Alex(i.e. a female interpreter). Of that $7.00 per hour for the interpreters services, the interpreter was paid $1.00 per hour, Kherson Rose keeping $6.00 per hour.
Tim(of Kherson Rose) tells me that they feel that was o.k. since all businesses charge more than they pay their employees. While that is true, is is in my mind quite unfair to the interpreters for an agency to take such a large percentage of the income for themselves and give so little to the employee, especially when you are aware of the economic conditions in Ukraine.
Can you imagine working for 5 hours, watch your boss getting paid $35.00 for your services, and then have him give you $5.00 for what you just did?
Tim now says they have changed their policy on interpreters, and now charge men $5.00 an hour and give the interpreters $2.00 an hour.
To me, such a practice reeks of greed.
Would you guys agree or not?  

 

 

... in response to Re: Re: Yeah!  I am very sure they did--..., posted by europete on Apr 16, 2002

Pete,

I'm not about to wade in on all the rest of your story...

But just for the record:

If the interpreter agrees to work for them for $1 per hour, then that is fair... regardless of how much they charge.

You may think it is unfair, but if the interpreter agreed to it... then its fair. It doesn't change just because they charge $7 per hour.

I mean... if that logic got applied to everything... how could this world work?

McDonald's buys meat and buns, and things and makes hamburgers. They expect to make a certain profit. If the price of buns go down... do they have to suddenly reduce their pricing just to be fair?

But...wait a minute... if they charge more for the hamburger...they're making more money... does this mean that they have to give all of their workers a raise, just to be fair?

No. To all of the above.

That's the difference between communism and capitalism...

If that bothers you... then maybe you should be looking in Cuba for a lady...

[WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING]

... in response to Re: Re: Yeah!  I am very sure they did--..., posted by europete on Apr 16, 2002

If what you say about these interpreter fee's is true, I find it amazing!

Hey Pete, sorry for getting in on the tail end of your thread, I have been tied up the past week with a kidney stone that doesn't want to budge. Hopefully today or tomorrow I can share with the board a recent experience with Kherson Pearls.

All agencies are different and they will conduct business in a manner that they want. We charge our clients on average $5 to $6 an hour for interpreters. Sometimes, if there are several hours involved in a single day, the price can come down to $4 a hour. This is discussed and agreed upon in advance with the interpreter. A few of my employees and certain interpreters might charge $7 an hour, and here we are only speaking in Ukraine, as some parts of Russia the going rate is from $5 to $12 an hour.

If one of our clients is charged $6 an hour for an interpreter, do you know how much of this $6 the interpreter actually makes,....? The will make $6 an hour.  What are client is charged is paid directly to the interpreter. Many of these interpreters work very hard and in our opinion they deserve every cent they make. We, as an agency, do not feel we need to make any money from our interpreters. Over the next two weeks I will employee about 25 interpreters. Each of these interpreters know, as each of the dozen men on the current group tour know and the three or four other guys in Russia and Ukraine at this time know what the going rate is for these interpreters.  We tell our clients in advance what we expect them to pay for interpreters. If I have a client who wants to pay one of these interpreters $1 or $2 an hour, quite frankly I don't want them as a client. Our interpreters know in advance what we expect them to charge. In most of Ukraine our going, quoted rate is $5 an hour. In Kiev it is $6 an hour. In most of Russia it is $5 an hour. In St. Petersburg it will vary from $7 to $10 an hour and Moscow from $8 to $12 an hour.

All agencies are different and who is to say what one agency does is right or wrong, excluding out right scamming or un-ethical practices.

... in response to Amazing!, posted by Jack on Apr 17, 2002

First, I have no idea where europete gets this information. We primarily use two interpreters, and both get more than pete's figure. Second, we charge $5 an hour now , not $7, but we are having a hard time making pete understand this although it is clearly laid out on our tour prices page. Do we make money off of this? Of course.

What I don't understand is that most men who pursue UW are fiscal conservatives, yet for some reason some think all capitalist business practices should be put on hold when it comes to agencies. I think those who complain the loudest are the one's who rarely get any value for their money (no matter how little they pay) because they take their paranoia, grudges, and insecurities to Ukraine and then need someone to blame when they don't connect.

We do not have the tour business as you do to hire 25 interpretrs at a time...instead we have fewer who are guaranteed a consistent monthly wage that is far, far above normal Ukraine salaries.

... in response to Re: Amazing!, posted by Tim M on Apr 17, 2002

Tim,

 Basically it will be 12 or 13 interpreters in Odessa and the same in Kiev (one interpreter per client).

 I really don't want clients who think they can pay these people a few dollars an hour and think there doing them a favor. This type attitude sickens me. This is the type of client you can never please and I don't want to mess with them, instead I recommend them to call Anastasia (he-he).

 Also Tim I have had a couple of bad experiences with a couple of agencies in Kherson, because of it, not knowing a good, reputable agency there, I have been relunctant to do anything in Kherson. I have had several clients wanting to hand deliver a letter or flowers, etc. I have one client now wanting a flat in Kherson. I think, after reading a little about you and your agency, I would like to contact you.

... in response to Re: Re: Yeah!  I am very sure they did--..., posted by europete on Apr 16, 2002

europete,
There is no way in the world you will convince me you were cheated.  You were introduced to 4 women on the spur of the moment and two of the meetings turned out rather well.  Did you also have an interpretor provided for your $100?  You are correct that I was not present when you made your deal with Alex, but Tim M has provided a very reasonable explanation of the charges.  You seem hung up on the posted rates of $100 covering 7 intros and apt.  He explains that "that" rate has to be prearrainged.  This too makes sense to everyone but you.  Maybe Alex didn't quite understand you or you didn't quite understand him.  This happens all the time with a language barrier.  It appears to me that Kherson Rose did a great job of accomindating you without prior notice. (If you show up at a fine restaurant without reservations, will you get the best table?)  
If they have an office in a building is not relevant nor is what they pay their interpretors.  I have a successful business here in San Diego and I have a home office that my customers never see.  I also better make money on every one of my employees or they won't be with me for long.  THAT is how businesses are run.  You have a fine "sense of value" when it comes to the poor "taken advantage" interpretors, but a misplaced "sense of value" when it came to your charges.  Your claim that you were cheated and that Kherson Rose is not an honorable agency is WAY OUT OF LINE.
KenC

... in response to Re: Yeah!  I am very sure they did---, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

Okay Ken,  I think I got the picture now.  Thanks for your input.  Best, Tim

... in response to Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by Ramblin on Apr 13, 2002

For whatever its worth, i used khersonrose a year ago. i thought their service was pretty good, and the mother and son, who run the operation in kherson, did a very good job.the only complaint that i had, was the matress on the bed, was something to be desired. it was like sleeping in a sleeping bag, on the ground in the woods. other than that, i was very pleased with their service. as for the women, some were good, some were not. a few scammers, but in all, they were very nice. it isnt the agencys fault, if a girl doesnt like you, or vise versa. i think they try not to have girls who are not serious about meeting somone to marry. the best advise i could give you. ask them  if they know the girls personaly. they will tell you, if she is really interested in you, and what her true intentions are. also, you do see a lot of the same girls on diffrent agency web pages, but that seems to be the norm, espically for girls who have been on one agencys web page for a long time. my $.02 worth

... in response to Re: Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by mudd on Apr 14, 2002

You will be pleased to know that we have changed our flats and our beds so tall guys such as yourself (I am assuming who you are from your age and the time you went) will be comfortable :-)

... in response to Re: Re: Stupid agency or am I unreasonab..., posted by Tim M on Apr 14, 2002

thank you very much tim. i didnt know,if you had changed the matres or not, so i bought a air matress and air pump two days ago, just in case, for my next trip in august. now i guess i will have to take it back to Wallmart. :-)

... in response to Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by Ramblin on Apr 13, 2002

i heard one bad comment on that agency when i was in
kherson for a short visit. i mentioned this agency to my
translator-guide she said "total scam agency!"
k-pearls or k-rose? it used to be called k-rose.
it is the very same web-site. maybe they need to adjust the name. the references of their past customers on
the web-site seem to me like they might be fiction
..just passing on what i heard
from what i believe to be a well informed source.

... in response to Re: Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by bradley on Apr 13, 2002

Bradley,

My wife is the owner and operator of A Kherson Rose, and we have NO connection with KP. I will not comment on them, but I think you might be talking about us when you say the refferals sound like fiction. If so, I want to point out that we now include photos of clients with our references, unlike the plethora of hotmail references some agencies use;-)

We have never scammed anyone, and I would like anybody who claims he has been scammed by us to come forward. With the exception of the clients we had in early 2000 when we still sold addresses, we know each and every one of the clients we have had in the last 2.5 years.

Not griping, just making a distinction.
Tim

... in response to Re: Re: Stupid agency or am I unreasonab..., posted by Tim M on Apr 14, 2002

As I said, last summer I used the services of your wifes agency "Kherson Rose" and found your brother-in-law Alex and your mother-in-law to be basically crooked, conniving, and dishonest. And in my previous post I gave examples of what occurred.
I will be in Oklahoma City as of tomorrow should you wish to discuss this further.
Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Stupid agency or am I unreas..., posted by europete on Apr 14, 2002

Hello Pete,

I wish you would point out what the staff did for you to call them crooked? [Patrick, isn't that one of the board rules?]

I personally have no idea who you are. You were not one of our regular matchmaking clients, but we have just called Kherson to find out what happened.

Our Kherson staff had one "drop by" named Pete, a Native American from Oklahoma. I am assuming this is you. My mother-in-law received NO complaints from you during your stay, and you have never contacted our office (a local call) to voice any complaints. It has been 9 months already.

You met 3 of our roses and spent little time with us. The only problem we can see is that you picked 3 19 year olds (but you were insistent). Your complaint about Kherson Pearls (heck, I can't believe I am defending them)similarly involved another 19 year old. Now, Pete, you are not one of those 57 year old fellows who chases after women 38 years younger and when it doesn't work out blames the agency are you?

Tim

PS I e-mailed europete's hotmail address with my home number, as I am happy to meet with him

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Stupid agency or am I un..., posted by Tim M on Apr 14, 2002

We just received an update on europete from Alex, the supposedly crooked interpreter.

Pete arranged for 3 meetings with ladies (Svetlana #91, Natasha #58, and Katya #296). Our cost at that time was $40 per meeting for "drop ins," which included 2 hours of an interpreter. Expensive....maybe (we have since reduced the prices), but we prefer to work with our matchmaking clients and most "drop ins" only ever want to meet one lady, otherwise they simply arrange for unlimited daily introductions at a much, much better rate.

Pete understood the terms and wanted to meet these ladies, despite the fact that they were 38 years younger than he and despite the fact that he was told these age ranges rarely work out. Pete did not like Svetlana or Natasha (the roses). Maybe this was because of their lack of interest due to his age--a fact they complained to us about later. He refused to fully pay for the meetings with Svetlana and Natasha. Our agency kept the $100 he had given us (the remaining $20 was due when he 'had the cash'), and we refused to do further business with him because he wouldn't pay his bill, and this may be where his "problem" lies.

With all of this BS, we are now changing our policy regarding "drop ins," and if in the future we get old men chasing women their grandaughter's age, we will use this incident to justify refusing service to them. We probably should have done this from the beginning, but you would not believe how insistent some men are.

... in response to the story unfolds......, posted by Tim M on Apr 14, 2002

You know Tim, you really are not telling the truth!! I am getting real weary of your lies.

... in response to the story unfolds......, posted by Tim M on Apr 14, 2002

No matter how one looks at this disgusting situation, an Indian guy trying to get an E.E. girl, and on top of that 38 years younger is simply sheer perversion and total idiocy!!!!!!!!!
If that's not exploitation of women then nothing else is!!!!
And talking about one's pride in the own ethnicity and exploitation of other races, first what's wrong with Indian women, they are no good anymore?
Now everyone wants THE WHITE, EUROPEAN WOMAN now, to make them feel a man, to heal them of their genetic underdevelopment???
This is nothing but exploitation of the white women, pure and simple!!!
Why can't all and everybody be happy as they are and stop feeling so inferior!!!
And the Russian/Ukrainian "matchmakers" better stop catering to all kinds of such outrageous demands from such monsters, and not cooperate in such abhorent dealings, unless they will go down in history and actually be nothing but the destroyers of their own people!
To sell a girl to a guy of a different race old enough to be her granparent, all this for money, how low can you get for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!
(As if any such thing will actually work out anyway!)

... in response to Complete & disgusting perversion &am..., posted by Vox on Apr 16, 2002

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... in response to the story unfolds......, posted by Tim M on Apr 14, 2002

Again, I made it VERY CLEAR to Alex and your mother-in-law that I wanted the girls I wanted to meet to know exactly how old I am beforehand, and if they were not interested, fine. But when 2 of the 4 girls came for a meeting and gave some lame excuse as to why they were there, and  Alex just sits there looking dumb as though he had no idea why they would say such a thing. Even after the girl had left and Alex and I spoke, he could only say that he didn't know why they were like that. Not much consolation when a guy pays for taxis, meals, and a meeting which totals between about $50.00-$70.00 for each meeting. So the crux of the problem is in outlining some specific criteria for ladies to the agency beforehand, i.e., 18-35 years old, no children, physically fit, intelligent, etc. and then ending up with someone who is just there for a free meal or drink.
Those who read this board and know me, and have seen some of the ladies I have been with, realize I am not looking for just "a trophy" or "arm candy". And I am not fat, sloppy, and balding, but not Brad Pitt either.
As for your mother-in-law not receiving any complaints from me, apparently Alex didn't pass them on to her. I would have told her myself but my Russian language is not that good as yet.
Again, you advertised $100.00 per day which included overnight stay in an apartment and 7 meetings per day with various girls. Since I was living in a rented house already and didn't need the apartment, the price was still $100.00 per day for supposedly 7 meetings. But I only got 4 meetings by the way,and they were not all 19 years old, of which 2 were a COMPLETE waste of time and money, based on what I regard as Alex's and your mother-in-laws incompetence in presenting suitable and sincere ladies.
So after wasting about $100.00 on 2 of those meetings(taxi, restaurants, etc.) on the same day, yes, I felt cheated and scammed by Kherson Rose.Believe me, I did not feel good having Alex ask me for $100.00 of my money for Kherson Rose's service when he just sat there watching 2 fiascos with disinterested girls. It certainly did not feel that I got my moneys worth, and it has nothing to do with  not hitting it off with all of the girls; rather it is about being presented with girls that are sincerely interested in meeting a man they have been given some details about.
So read again in your post where you say these girls were not interested because of my age, and later complained to you. What happened to Alex and your mother-in-law letting these same girls know something about me. Isn't that part of the reason I sat in the apartment with Alex and your mother-in-law, looking at the catalogs, and answering your mother-in-laws questions about me so she could relay the information on to the prospective ladies?
Even Randall, whom I shared a house with in Kherson, told me to be cautious about your agency, but I gave Kherson Rose a chance, along with other agencies in Kherson, and you certainly did not come out on top.
Since we have just had our conversation on the phone, now you know that there is certainly room for improvement in the way Kherson Rose operates.
Until you change for the better, I cannot reccommend Kherson Rose agency as it is.

... in response to Re: the story unfolds......, posted by europete on Apr 14, 2002

18 through 35?? No children?? Why not though in she has to be a virgin and her mom owns a liquor store and her daddy has a Mercedes dealership?

Man, I'm six years younger than you and 30 is my LOWER limit, with 35-45 perfered, and I'm willing to take one or two pre-teen children (or, as is the case with the 39yo I'm currently involved with, two grown children).

Now, YOU may say that I have no ambition or that I'm not as sure of myself as you are. I perfer to think (and I reckon that most men here will agree) that I'm living with REALITY vs. somebody's FANTISY. 18yo's! Give us a break, you have probably have grandchildren that age. I don't know this agency, but I suspect that they probably couldn't FIND seven 18yo's who wanted to date their grandfather.

... in response to Re: the story unfolds......, posted by europete on Apr 14, 2002

Randall told you to be cautious? Very interesting, seeing as Randall got married to one of our ladies, Julia, that he was introduced to through us, a schoolmate of my wife's. I guess there's no pleasing some people ;-)

... in response to Re: the story unfolds......, posted by europete on Apr 14, 2002

God Man, look at your profile.

If you're that intense, you're gonna spend some money at a few brothels.  Get over it.  How much money you spent here on AW that age anyway?

Hell, maybe I should start my own agency for young american chix for suckers like you.

I just don't like wearin them pink hats and drivin them old fat caddies...

... in response to Pick on Someone your OWN AGE for a chang..., posted by BrianN on Apr 15, 2002

Never spent a penny in a brothel! Never needed to and have no plans to!

... in response to Re: the story unfolds......, posted by europete on Apr 14, 2002

The problem with "drop ins' is that we have to call the ladies up and make the arrangement sight unseen (on her part), as opposed to our real job--matchmaking--where we help our male and female clients over a period of time. As I told you on the phone, each girl knew your age and each girl agreed. Having met you, they then changed their minds. They used your age as an excuse, which means either (a) they were lying to us when they agreed to meet you or (b) there is another reason (or reasons) they said no and they were just being polite--I have seen women say "no" to a guy "because of his age" only to say "yes" to another guy who is a few years older. Go figure. And do you really think that we would risk our reputation over $100?...sigh

... in response to Re: the story unfolds......, posted by europete on Apr 14, 2002

europete,
They aren't pimps or slave traders, just an introduction agency.  What happens after the introduction is up to YOU, big boy!  Just because you struck out doesn't make them dishonest or bad in any way.  The deal was struck at $40 per intro for your "drop in" butt.  I am sure you would have got your 3rd intro if you paid the extra $20 and didn't pout off into the sunset like a spoiled brat.  Grow up.
KenC

... in response to waa waa waa what a cry baby, posted by KenC on Apr 14, 2002

No KenC, the deal wasn't struck at $40.00 per meeting. It was, AS ADVERTISED, struck at 7 meetings for $100.00 per day, apartment included. But I did not need the apartment, but no reduction in price forthcoming. Still $100.00 per day for 7 meetings with INTERESTED ladies.
And I had 4 meetings with Kherson Rose girls; 2 bad meetings and 2 good meetings. So the whole thing with Kherson Rose is a question of them not delivering what was advertised. I don't expect all girls to fall head over heels for me; just be sincere in  their intentions. So yes, I am a "big boy" and know all meetings will not work out between 2 people.
How do you happen to state that the deal was for $40.00 per meeting for my "drop in butt" when you were nowheres near me when I was in Kherson making the deal. How did you become such an expert on what I did.
 

... in response to Re: waa waa waa what a cry baby, posted by europete on Apr 15, 2002

europete,
Sorry, but the agency's version of what happened sounds much more reasonable then yours.  How on earth could you expect more sincere women when you show up unexpected?  As I see it, you got more than what you paid for and you still owe them 20 bucks!  Who's the crook now?
KenC

... in response to Re: waa waa waa what a cry baby, posted by europete on Apr 15, 2002

there was a "drop in" fee of $40 per meeting back in August. It included arranging meetings and an included interpreter for two hours of meeting. It's no use pointing to our present site, as we no longer carry that service because we modify our site each month, adding new ladies and dropping/modifying services that are not satisfactory or that simply cause problems. This was one such service, as was the $7 an hour interpreter fee (which was dropped to $5 an hour about six months ago). I explained this in an earlier post, which is why posters know this.

It is also interesting to note that you are now claiming that you had two good meetings through us.....so maybe we're only half crooked.....

... in response to Re: Re: waa waa waa what a cry baby, posted by Tim M on Apr 15, 2002

Yeah, Tim, you are half-crooked. And your brother-in-law is half-assed.
Then that means a guy will pay twice as much to your agency for what he gets, doesn't it.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: waa waa waa what a cry baby, posted by europete on Apr 17, 2002

You are a clever and articulate fellow. It's a surprise that women in Kherson are not fighting over you.

... in response to waa waa waa what a cry baby, posted by KenC on Apr 14, 2002

It seems Pedro makes a good point about advising the local manager that if the lady is not interested in his age group that she should not set up the meeting in the first place. If the 19 year old girls complained about the age difference afterwards this indicates that the manager just took the money without consideration of the customer's instructions.

*BUT*, I don't see how any woman anywhere would be interested in a 38 year age limit. I personally feel that that is inappropriate age difference for a man to be pursuing in the first place. 57 and 19 is just a blatant attempt to take advantage of the economic situation in Ukraine and to rob the cradle. I have no respect for it.

And I think that an agency should have a policy of not arranging meetings with those kinds of age differences.

Yes, it is a free world, but that is how I see it. There has got to be a line somewhere.

My two kopecs...

WmGOdvakopec

... in response to waa waa waa, posted by WmGo on Apr 14, 2002

Bill, I am not looking for a woman with children (although a few have made me think twice about that) so when one goes to Ukraine looking for a future wife, most of what is available is between 18-33 years old. That is the age range available, that is where I look. The oldest single lady without children I ever met in Ukraine was 32 years old. Still a big age difference, but you choose yours for you and I will choose mine for me.
I do not take anyone "in a blatant attempt to take advantage of the economic situation in Ukraine" who does not wish to be with me. And there are enough of them over there looking to "take advantage of the economic situation" and relieve men of their money in more ways than one.  

... in response to Re: waa waa waa, posted by europete on Apr 15, 2002

I am curious...

You are 57. You said you want a woman with no children.

Are you looking to have children of your own?

If so... are you ready to change diapers and take care of kids when you are 60? 65?

If not... do you really expect to find a woman in her early twenties who will marry you, and give up the chance of ever having her own children?

... in response to waa waa waa, posted by WmGo on Apr 14, 2002

Hey, how are you? How is the weather in Alabama?

... in response to Hi, WmGo!, posted by Tootsie on Apr 14, 2002

I am well. Business is good. The weather is great - blue skies, warm temperatures and an occassional Spring shower.

Hope all is well.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Stupid agency or am I unreas..., posted by europete on Apr 14, 2002

your on post 4-13 is about k-pearls
post from 4-14 is on k-rose
do you mean you had dealings with both agents?

... in response to you mentioned 2 services?, posted by bradley on Apr 14, 2002

Yes, in the 6 weeks I was in Kherson I had dealings with both of those agencies, as well as about 5 other agencies. And some are definitely better than others. Write to me and I will let you know which agencies I found to be the best from my experience with them. That would also apply to Kiev as well.

... in response to Re: Re: Stupid agency or am I unreasonab..., posted by Tim M on Apr 14, 2002

Bradley,

The more I think about it, the more you need to clear up the "confusion" you seem to be having between A Kherson Rose and Kherson Pearls. The sites are not even in the slightest bit similar (except for the 20 or so ladies (out of 100s) that are on both sites), which makes me wonder how you can confuse the two, especially when you are passing on a scam alert.

Y also need to name your source. There are too many people who throw around the implication of a scam in order to hurt other businesses. I know of one PL poster who is very good at creating the impression that a competing agency is a scam without assuming the liability of being straightworward and actually saying so. He can never quite remember which of the Kherson agencies are scams, but just to be safe........

Again, I am not commenting on Kherson Pearls--I am leaving that to people who have actually used the service (and why would you believe what a competitor would say, anyway?). But I don't want our agency dragged through the mud because someone can't remember all the facts before he posts a scam commentary.

... in response to PS, posted by Tim M on Apr 14, 2002

the two web sites are not the same [my mistake, sorry].
but the negative comment i heard was about "k-rose".

 

... in response to Re: PS, posted by bradley on Apr 14, 2002

again, name your source please

... in response to Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by Ramblin on Apr 13, 2002

Last summer I used the agency "Kherson Pearls" to meet some of their girls in their catalog.
Most of the girls seem to be getting paid to meet with men.
Watch out for "Irina Mayer, #670". She is a real scam artist as is her cousin Sveta(Svetlana). Both of them will start asking for money real quickly, and not small sums either.
Avoid Kherson Pearls at all costs.
If you do want to go to Kherson, contact me and I will give you what help I can from the experiences I had in my 6 weeks there.
Pete

... in response to Re: Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by europete on Apr 13, 2002

I did not write to Irina, something a bit insincere about her photo.  What is Sveta's profile number?  You wrote a lot about Kherson Roses, what were your experiences in dealing with Kherson Pearls as an agency?

... in response to Irina and Sveta, posted by Ramblin on Apr 16, 2002

I believe Svetas profile number is #302. The picture is not very good, but similar to her, the right age, and she does have a 5 year old daughter.
A friend went out with her a few times, and on the 3rd date she told him to give her $250.00 for her rent and cell-phone bill. He dropped her then and there.
As for the Kherson Pearls agency, the manageress and interpreter were always polite and friendly themselves, but out of the 10-12 girls I met through them, almost all of them seemed as though they were there because they had to be. Most of them very impersonal. And I know I am not THAT BAD!
I can tell you that Ludmila, #6, is a very nice girl and a good dancer. She sure does like to talk a lot in English at all hours of the day or night. Oksana, #674, is a nice, friendly girl but speaks no English at all. Anna, #678, is a friendly girl who works in the lobby of the Fregat Hotel in Kherson at the souvenir counter.
So would I use Kherson Pearls again? Most likely not unless they are different the next time I go back.
I think the best agencies I found in Kherson were Unona and Veronica2000. They both take time to get to know a guy, and then convey their findings to the girls the man has expressed interest in. If the girls are willing, from the information given, a meeting is set up. And the girls from those agencies were sincere individals, except for one.
There are a number of other smaller agencies without a web-site that a person can find once in Kherson. Let me know if you need help on that also.
Pete  

... in response to Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by Ramblin on Apr 13, 2002

It sounds like really bad business practice on their part.  You did the right thing.  Also, I heard bad things about them on another board.  Kherson is supposedly loaded with marriage agencies.  From what I understand the girls on Kherson Pearls are probably listed with other agencies you could just walk into Kherson and meet.

... in response to Stupid agency or am I unreasonable?, posted by Ramblin on Apr 13, 2002

And if they were worth a hoot?

... in response to why not ask the gallery if anyone had ev..., posted by wsbill on Apr 13, 2002

yes, I have and no they're not. Stay away from KP. N/T

... in response to Re: why not ask the gallery if anyone ha..., posted by paul21 on Apr 14, 2002

n/t

... in response to More details please, Paul    n/t, posted by KenC on Apr 14, 2002

I met a girl through Kherson Pearls during a tour in that city last March (2001). I think I sent you a photo. The girl (finacee)and the agency owner requested financial assistance for the girl to obtain an international passport, I provided the financial assistance in the requested amount of $800, when I returned home I received emails from the agency owner stating that the girl needs money, when all was said and done I was scammed out of thousands of $$, this is something I really don't like to discuss, because it's a total embarrasment and I'm still pi$$ off over this matter.

... in response to Re: More details please, Paul    n/t, posted by paul21 on Apr 14, 2002

Paul,
Take heart that your post will help others from making the same mistake.  Thanks.
KenC

... in response to why not ask the gallery if anyone had ev..., posted by wsbill on Apr 13, 2002

n/t.