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Dan,

In one of your latest posts you advised DE to take pictures and to make inventory of what he had in order to protect himself from a RW.

Dan, I'm really terribly sorry that you had this bad experience with a RW in the past (at least I hope it was in the past) but believe me there is no reason to extend it to all other RW. Sure all women are different and you should use your common sense dealing with a certain woman. I'm glad that finally you realized it.

Please don't let this bad experience affect your attitude to RW, we are not that bad at all ļ. Just forget about it and be happy.

With warmest regards,

Tootsie

... in response to My Apologies, Dan, posted by Tootsie on Apr 14, 2002

Any American man that got divorced would consider that to be good advice before a second marriage.  The man might have property of strong sentimental value he doesn't want to lose in a divorce.  It doesn't matter in that case where the woman comes from.  I know it sounds cold, but with a divorce rate over 50%, many of us men try to think of how we are going to keep our property after a divorce.  We feel like we are always the financial loser in divorce.

... in response to My Apologies, Dan, posted by Tootsie on Apr 14, 2002

Tell me:

* What makes you think my comments to DE were aimed at protection from a RW?!?

* Why must you persist in making assumptions about things that have never been discussed between us? For instance - what, exactly, makes you think I have had some sort of "bad experience" with RW - and what might have this "bad experience" involved?!?

* You opened this message with an apology - was it sincere? *If* (and that is a BIG **IF**) it was sincere - it seems you were apologizing for some figment or your imagination pertaining to an injustice that you *think* I *may* have experienced - or do you know something that I don't?!?

* What makes you think I am *un*happy? We've never met - and our only interaction has been on this board. Precious little information to base such ludicrous presumptions upon - don't you think Tootsie?

Finally - rest assured that the "warmth" of your regards are reciprocated.

- Dan

... in response to Apology Accepted Tootsie. Now Please Be ..., posted by Dan on Apr 14, 2002

1) What made me think your comments to DE were aimed at protection from a RW? Probably because if you wanted to protect an AM from an AW you were mistaken with a place. This is a Russian Discussion Area, isn't it? :)

2)I just couldn't think of another reason why a man can give so "wise" advice to another man otherwise than he hadn't had a bad experience with it himself. I also assumed that you had this experience recently because your advice came just from nowhere. Or did they discuss something on the board on this topic that I missed? :)

3)Sure I know a lot that you don't! As well as obviously you know many things I don't. Are you going to argue with me on this matter? :) LOL. If you seriously doubt my sincerety why ask me about it? What answer do you expect? "Yes"? Then yes! :)

4) What makes me think you are unhappy? Probably because I've never met a happy man who was so agressive to a woman out of nothing before. Maybe I'm just too young and haven't experienced much in life? :).

With even more warmest regards than in my last post :),

Tootsie

 

... in response to Anwers to your questions, posted by Tootsie on Apr 14, 2002

I've seen in a long time.

Tatiana - I don't harbor you any ill will. I tire of your arrogance and high-mindedness. Your petty insincerity annoys me. I don't appreciate all your assumptions. But it is hardly ill will.

If you wanted to offer sincere apologies - or send a message of comfort or affinity - you would have sent me an e-mail. Heaven knows what sort of figment of your imagination you have decided I suffered - but please don't fret about it any longer. I assure you that Olya assuages my needs of those sorts.

But you didn't send me an e-mail Tatiana. You posted your insincere little missive right here - for everyone to see. Now they have - and now they know much more about you and your character than they did previously. Well, almost everyone knows more - some are only reminded.

You still haven't answered the one principal question this all seems to hinge upon.

What make you think my comments to DE had anything at all to do with RW, or AW, or AW (Asian women) or MW (Martian women)?!?

Tell me Tatiana - what is it that makes you think that??

Oh - and no, I don't think you are "too young" to have failed to experience much of anything in your life Tatiana.

- Dan

... in response to This Has to Be One of the Most Pointless..., posted by Dan on Apr 14, 2002

"Assuages"? Now that isn't a dirty word your sneaking in is it? Just kidding. I love it Dan. I have a boss at work that butchers the English language more than any human being I have ever met. People cringe when they hear him speak. When I talk to him, I intentionally use big words, and he just stares blankly at me. I think I will work on assuaging my grievances with him.

Steve

... in response to This Has to Be One of the Most Pointless..., posted by Dan on Apr 14, 2002

What make you think my comments to DE had anything at all to do with RW, or AW, or AW (Asian
women) or MW (Martian women)?!?

So what did you mean?  In the context of that thread I can't come up with any other meaning.  I have NEVER been involved in any of the flame wars that take place on this board and I'm not about to start now...But, you're offering nothing but denials.  Wouldn't it have been alot more productive to offer an explanation in order to clear up a possible misunderstanding?  

I've been reading this board for about 2 years now and we finally get rid of the trolls, and now we're feeding on each other.  This is getting real old.  No wonder many of the married guys disappear.

... in response to Re: This Has to Be One of the Most Point..., posted by AronM on Apr 14, 2002

That people say all the time to one another. In the same vein as "Drive Safely" or "Take Your Umbrella."

Seems people REALLY want to read more into things than are said.

Tell me where you see a "denial" Aron. If pointing out that others are making silly-ASSumptions by trying to read between the lines is what you are calling "denials" - then so be it.

As I said - this is one of the most senseless threads I've seen in a long time. And getting sillier all the time.

- Dan

... in response to This Has to Be One of the Most Pointless..., posted by Dan on Apr 14, 2002

Dan,

I hope you will receive this in its intended meaning. When Tootsie mentioned her opinion about prostitutes, your response most clearly was on the attack mode. It is clear that you do not like Tootsie. That is ok  no big deal to me.

You think that she is arrogant. I see her as being proud. I have met her personally and have dealt with her on a business relationship so I see from different experiences than you. She could have given you joust for joust in the fashion that you have, but she did not but, maybe this is a gentle way of doing it who knows,  a way that  you read as insincere - again I do not know.

I personally think that it would be unusual for someone to not retaliate/respond in some way - don't you?

Now don't get upset with me because I am going to need your expertize in the near future and I do not want you holding out on me with all that good advice you have. :)) (I mean that sincerely)

... in response to Hey Dan. . ., posted by greg2 on Apr 14, 2002

Greg,

If the issue is about some post that is buried deep within, then Tatiana should have the integrity to simply state it. As it is, she chose to issue her not-so-subtle attempt to make a statement. She has shown herself to be devious and manipulative as to her motives - if it is as you say.

Greg, when was the last time you saw a post on this board that disparaged an entire populace of people from a country - that was NOT challenged? Particularly when that comment was stated as "fact" and was unsubstantiated and unsupportable?

The sort of piety that allows Tatiana to defend her indefensible position is borne of intolerance towards others. It has been manifest in numerous arrogant posts she mas made and I am tired of it. You call it Pride - and I say that the sort of pride that allows her to so easily and with conviction make unsupportable disparaging statements about others is abhorent behavior.

Do you, or anyone, think she should be given special treatment simply because she happened to be born a Russian female? I do not.

Keep in mind that I didn't launch this thread. Nor did I launch the thread that Tatiana chose to use as a foil for her "facts" about prostitution. It is of her doing - all of it. Just as her charade of an apologetic post only displays how manipulative and insincere she can be.

One can only hope that not all Moscow women possess such abominable characteristics.

- Dan

... in response to Nope - Not Hardly . . ., posted by Dan on Apr 14, 2002

I lean to the thought that the problem here is that she used a number in association with her comment, that being the number  99.5%. I would suspect that if she had said, it is the opinion of myself and other Moscow residents that I know, based upon observation and what has been in the news media, that most of the prostitutes in Moscow are Ukrainian. If this had been how it was presented perhaps you would not have had such  issue with it.

Giving a number opens one up for "Where did you get that percentage." and a debate starts and the issue that the prostitute population in Moscow being  largely Ukrainian no longer becomes the focus, it is about proof of which we both know that rarely do people keep records of these things that are at their disposal for the future possibility that you might mention such and then be challenged to prove it.  

My advice to anyone is try to remember to never give an exact number, it only invites challenge. Always qualify  and give disclaimers of source and thus never call anything fact but possible fact and you can present what your impression of reality is from you life experience.

I mean even if someone gives you so called proof of a statement of fact - what is that? Does it represent fact or is it a skewed collection of data being passed off as fact. To me, there is no such thing as fact or proof, it is all opinion based upon what information is presently available.

Now, are most of the prostitutes in Moscow Ukrainian? How would I know however, I think that someone living in Moscow would be more likely to have a more valid perspective on that then someone who does not live there. Then again, there are people who like to blurt things that are their own made up opinions and pass them on as fact. Is Tootsie that way? I would not be able to say for sure only that, this is not the impression that I arrived at after spending quite a bit of time with her.

... in response to How I personally perceive it., posted by greg2 on Apr 15, 2002

Greg,

I completely agree with you and I admit it was my mistake to give that number. I promise not to mention any statistics in the future. (Sorry today I mentioned that 5 Mln. tourists are coming to Moscow every day but in reality I didn't calculate them myself :)).

Maybe I'm mistaken but it seems to me that even if I said that "most prostitutes in Moscow came from Ukraine" there would still be this flame war. I have an impression that some men perceived it as accusation of Ukrainian women. I wish I was mistaken here because there was no way I wanted anybody to perceive it this way. I'm sure there are AM who work as prostitutes but I don't think if anybody mentioned about them the guys perceived it as an accusation of themselves. Or? :).

Thanks for your post,

Tootsie

... in response to Re: How I personally perceive it., posted by Tootsie on Apr 15, 2002

It was a lot of fun but I couldn't make it pay my rent. Of course sometimes I wonder what I really am at my present job... Ah, civil service.

... in response to Hey Dan. . ., posted by greg2 on Apr 14, 2002

nt

... in response to This Has to Be One of the Most Pointless..., posted by Dan on Apr 14, 2002

Fly to Denver and buy ole'Dan a big ole steak dinner.

... in response to Re: Tootsie...if your really sincere you..., posted by wsbill on Apr 14, 2002

Have you already sent me the check so I could buy the flight ticket? You know, I'm a poor Russian girl... :) LOL

And hey, how is the weather in Denver? You know, after snowing in Moscow I'm getting very cautious with this issue... :).

... in response to Re: Tootsie...if your really sincere you..., posted by wsbill on Apr 14, 2002

n/t

... in response to I'll Vote For That!!!   n/t, posted by Dan on Apr 14, 2002

Go to Ukraine to find a wife !

... in response to Re: Now I know why they say...., posted by wsbill on Apr 15, 2002

Moscow women share these traits - doesn't it? LOL

- Dan

... in response to Yes, It Does Make One Wonder if All . . ..., posted by Dan on Apr 15, 2002

Nuttin much is going on at this forum lately. I mean kind of a lull :))

... in response to It may have something to do with. ., posted by greg2 on Apr 15, 2002

maybe folks too busy with planning now.. would be a good thing I think.