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Title: Dem scammin agencies! Post by: KenC on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM Anyone else here see more than a little inconsistency in the posts regarding agencies? I have seen some glowing favorable reports on agencies turn into "they are total scammers" when the man's relationship with his FSU honey goes south. The latest "sour grapes" report on Kherson Rose from europete is a good example, but there have been others. I even read a letter of recommendation on an agency's website from a poster here that had nothing but praise for their services. The man's relationship must have been VERY good at that time. Later after the relationship went kaput, he had nothing but criticisms about the agency. Just where does the responsibility of the agency end and the responsibility of the man begin? Many here seem to think that if the agency's introduction doesn't end with a wedding ceremony, then the agency is just no good. Give me a break.
I was lucky enough to deal with a reputable agency that delivered on everything they promised, but the responsibility of my successful relationship falls directly on Lena and I. I think that too many guys really think they can pick a wife from a catalog! When a guy fails to make a connection with any of the women he has chosen or if a new relationship fizzles out, it isn't the agency's fault. Finding the "perfect" woman is a difficult task at best, with many bumps in the road. Blame fate, bad luck, bad timing or maybe yourself. It is a total cop out to blame the agency. Title: Re: Dem scammin agencies! Post by: thesearch on April 17, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
Ken, I agree with you totally, no question at all about that and I am glad you posted such. I think some people whoever they might be in the future need to hear this. However, there will be exceptions. I just want to give some room for those that are in such. For some guys they may be quick to say good things when in reality the event is still unfolding and when the final cards are played the guy realizes that he was trusting and indeed there was lack of sincerety or maybe even a scam. I guess it is all about definition of what scam is relative to lack of sincerety ect.. Title: Re: Dem scammin agencies! Post by: europete on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
Yes, KenC, you were, as you say, "lucky enough" to deal with a reputable agency. Not everyone is, all the time. But you continue to insinuate my "sour grapes" report is because a relationship I had established with a girl from Kherson Rose agency went bad, and now I want to lay all the blame on the failure of the relationship on the agency. Nothing could be further from the truth! In order for that to be true, we would have had to have developed some kind of meaningful relationship in the first place,which never happened with any of the 4 girls I met from Kherson Rose. They were ALL 1 time meetings, and as I said before, 2 of the meetings went well, 2 didn't. I would like to meet again the 2 girls whose company was mutually enjoyable, and I have their contact information for my return to Ukraine. So since you were not party to my experiences in Kherson or Ukraine, kindly refrain from passing your inaccurate judgment on me. I note you are from San Diego, as I am as well, having just left there last Thursday to come to the midwest. If you are so inclined, we can meet in person and discuss experiences and ideas. Title: The story unfolds further Post by: Tim M on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by europete on Apr 16, 2002
So now your story evolves from us being crooked and dishonest becuase we introduced you to two women who weren't interested in you to the fact that you LIKED two of the other women you met enough to go to Kherson to meet them again. All of this despite the fact that you are 57 and admit to pursuing women 30+ years younger than yourself. You also say your friend Randall warned you against us, despite the fact that he married a lady he was introduced to from our agency ( a schoolmate of my wife's, no less). I am sure you went to his Kherson wedding, so you can't have forgotten that already ;-) So between you and Randall, A Kherson Rose found one a wife and another two ladies that he liked enough to visit again? The bar for scam alerts seems to keep getting lowered and lowered. Title: I do not know how you guys follow the datails! Wow n.t Post by: yoe on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: The story unfolds further Post by: europete on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to The story unfolds further, posted by Tim M on Apr 16, 2002
But it is not going any lower!!! Title: Re: Dem scammin agencies! Post by: Ramblin on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
Too bad my post got answered with a side show about the age police and Kherson Rose, the only posts about Kherson Pearls were as follows: Bobby Orr: It sounds like really bad business practice on their part. You did the right thing. Also, I heard bad things about them on another board. Paul21: met a girl through Kherson Pearls during a tour in that city last March (2001). I think I sent you a photo. The girl (finacee)and the agency owner requested financial assistance for the girl to obtain an international passport, I provided the financial assistance in the requested amount of $800, when I returned home I received emails from the agency owner stating that the girl needs money, when all was said and done I was scammed out of thousands of $$, this is something I really don't like to discuss, because it's a total embarrasment and I'm still pi$$ off over this matter. If anyone else has any direct experience with them, (Kherson PEARLS) I would like to hear about it. Since my last post, the owner did send one reply to me from a gorgeous lady even though the owner’s previous e-mail had renigged on her promise of the first e-mail and reply being free of charge. However, the reply did not answer any of my questions or comment on anything that I wrote other than her interest in someone marriage minded and her wanting to meet me for that reason. And my other letters have no reply. Title: Now Ken let's look at this a little differently, Post by: yoe on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
Maybe these guys are just looking for something diferent. We do not want to discourage diversity, huh? The way I see it. Many guys want a girl who is lovely, young, alwasy attentive lalalala. All the man needs to do is send cash and she is available. That sounds fair.......... Ok guys just contact Sasha and www.Brothel.RU You will find the most lovely attentive prostitutes in all of Eastern Europe ready to come to america and be your wife. She is everything you ASKED FOR! Joe ps. I made up the url-but, be careful what you ask for! HUH? Title: Re: Dem scammin agencies! Post by: tim360z on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
Hi Ken, I think the very best any agency can do--- is provide the introduction. Then, it is really up to the 2 people to take it from there. Anyone asking for an agency to do anything more... is quite delusional. Women are not products, akin to washing machines that one can order from a catalog or in-store. There are no warranties expressed or implied in this. Everything is really based on the chemistry and communication between a man and a woman. The MOB tag is really a joke. 2 people accept each other...or not. If some agency sets everything up, well, in time the true reality...soon the agency is gone. And it is really up to these 2 people to live together...without the aid of agencies or translators. To blame an introduction agency because the guy did not hit it off with 1 girl or 20 is silly. Just like here, if the girl was really interested in you---you would know it. Methinks, this little pursuit doth attract some dubious and delusional men. Title: dubious and delusional men Post by: KenC on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by tim360z on Apr 15, 2002
Tim, Like europete calling Kherson Rose "crooked, conniving, and dishonest" because they didn't provide women 38 years younger that were "sincerely interested" in him? Of course these sincere women were to be provided WITHOUT any planning on europet's part whatsoever. What did he expect? A drive through window? KenC Title: Yup! And you know what ??? Post by: John F on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
I think that's the kind of mentality that fed the trolls of past. I'm not criticizing anyone, but if you read someone's allegations that an agency is a scam because the relationship fell through then you begin to understand why the feminists and media label us "socially inept". John Title: Re: Dem scammin agencies! Post by: Quasimoto on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
Well Damit Ken, I agree with you! I have had relationships not turn out as expected or hoped, but I never passed it onto the agency. Even met one gal through Anastasia - total loss!! $$$$$$ but I never blamed any of Dem. I was the sucker, and I assume responsibility for my fuhpahs! Everyone today seems to be a victim! Compensation for a headache. Now there is the "no-coffee" defense in a murder case (real); compensation for slavery; someone develops a headache on an airplane flight; everyone is a victim! Bullcrap!!!! I call it the Religion of Victimization. Grow up I say!!! Steve Title: Re: Re: Dem scammin agencies! Post by: wilmc on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by Quasimoto on Apr 15, 2002
Right on! "Religion of Victimization," that is beautiful. Congrats. I am a typical American "Mongrel" of various ethnic heritage, 1/4 Polish and I demand compensation for all those demeaning jokes. You may send checks to my Citicorp account number 666. Concerning MOB Agencies: I believe it would be helpful if Forum participants would share their positive experiences and make recommendations, or references. I had very good fortune with a "free" agency, "Brides from Russia," I met 3 lovely ladies from Moscow thru them. I had super holidays with all three. I parted on a most friendly basis with two of them. We still correspond. They have married, one to a Brit and the other to a Yank. I feel like a "cupid." I am still seeing the third lady. In fact in two weeks I am leaving to visit her in Moscow again. Unfortunately, "Brides... seems to have set up a fee agency and less attention is being paid to the free original, but it still is there. Good luck to all. Title: Re: LOL!!! The check is in the mail. n/t. Post by: Oatmeal on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM Title: victims stay home! Post by: KenC on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by Quasimoto on Apr 15, 2002
Steve, If da scammin agencies don't get ya, dose evil FSU women will! LOL. Too many paranoid "victims" looking to the FSU countries for soul mates. I say if they were victims here they certainly will be victims there too. These weak men should think about buying a cat. (Dogs need too much interaction). When I went to Russia, I thought it was my responsibility to make the best of the introductions that the agency provided. As a matter of fact, I wanted the agency OUT OF THE PICTURE as soon as possible. I wanted to be in control of my own destiny. Hmmm, maybe I am slightly different from the whinning boys that have struck out there. KenC p,s. (Best of luck to you on your pending trip. I sincerely hope everything will work out the way you planned) Title: Sheesh...Gotta Agree Bigtime Ken...This Is Post by: RickM on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to victims stay home!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
not an adventure for the faint-hearted.I went to the agency 1 time when I arrived in Bishkek,Kyrgyzstan and it was more out of curiosty and the need to express a thanks... Learning "any" of the language to where you are going to will be extremely helpful if you don't want to be a puppet on a string(by an agency)while there to where you are traveling.I stood a full month with my now wife while I was there and I don't know of any other way to truelly get to know someone other than to spend some time meeting the ladys' family and friends and seeing firsthand where she comes from and what her life is all about.She'll have the same oppertunity for 90 days on a K-i fiancee visa with you if things work out between yous'... As for the agencies...Only one solution...Make your contacts...write your letters...DON'T SEND ANY GAL MONEY UNTIL YOU'VE MET HER IN PERSON...And get on a plane and begin the rest of your lives instead of just posting here and belly-acking about agencies and scams... Title: Re: Sheesh...Gotta Agree Bigtime Ken...This Is Post by: KenC on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Sheesh...Gotta Agree Bigtime Ken...This ..., posted by RickM on Apr 15, 2002
Rick, Things are great here in San Diego. We love living in Southern CA. Beats MI (and MA)! LOL. How close to Beantown are you? KenC Title: Glad To Hear It KenC..I'm Actually... Post by: RickM on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Sheesh...Gotta Agree Bigtime Ken...T..., posted by KenC on Apr 16, 2002
about 50 miles S/E of beantown toward Cape Cod in a city named Fall River.It's a wonderful state for sports buffs :)) Gee,small world,I lived in Point Loma (tennis club) and Spring Valley for about 3 years back in the late 70's.SD IS a beautiful place.It just never felt like home with all the people so "transit" back then so I decided to make a trip to Russia :))) Title: Being independent Post by: Patrick on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to victims stay home!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
I too wanted as little agency involvement between myself and the ladies I was meeting. I simply bought addresses when I was searching and contacted them through mail (dating myself here). The address purchase was my last contact with any agency. But there are many men who want convenience. They want a beautiful young wife and as little effort as possible in getting from a fantasy in front of a computer to marriage nirvana. E-mail forwarding with translation, interpreters, drivers, gift delivery, parties where the women greatly outnumber the men, etc. etc. The agencies, which are businesses with the same intent of any business, i.e. to make a profit, mold themselves to what the majority want. Everyone serious about this endeavor should be studying the language of the ladies and doing everything they can to become as independent as possible. The man is going to be all alone with the lady in the end. Best to prepare for that relationship before marrying, rather than to rely on a company to enable the relationship through a vast array of services. It's not an agency that's going to determine the success of a marriage, or if a couple even forms a serious relationship. It's the two people involved in it. Too many guys fret endlessly over which agency to use. They think that's the key to success. If they poured that same energy into preparing themselves for marriage to a foreign woman, they'd be much better off in the end. Title: Re: Being independent Post by: KenC on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Being independent, posted by Patrick on Apr 15, 2002
Patrick, I "used" my agency and the interpretors in many different ways. As the interpretors were already paid for, I used them to coordinate things for my dates with Lena and as tour guides while she was not available. I had the agency's driver take me and my interpretor around town twice. Once was to collect things for a Christmas basket for Lena's family. You know, fruits, meats, cheeses, wine and candies. The basket was a totally bizarre thing to the Russians but was appreciated beyond belief. The second time we shopped for things necessary for a romantic dinner in my flat. I would have like to have been able to cook the food, but that was too much of a hassle. Another bizarre request, to find "take out" food that wasn't pizza. LOL. Again, with a little effort, things worked out great. Both of these actions were a direct result of me realizing that I was going to do things MY WAY. I was determined to be the same man in Russia that I would have been here. KenC Title: Great Points Patrick...N/T Post by: RickM on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Dem scammin agencies! Post by: Patrick on April 15, 2002, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002
I think some men think they're buying a marriage to the woman of their choice (if not the woman herself!). In reality, what they're buying is an introduction service that puts them in contact with ladies who are interested in marrying a foreign man. That doesn't mean that the woman will be interested in them in particular. This is precisely the reason why I want to see copious amounts of DETAIL when someone says an agency (or lady) is scamming. I think unrealistic expectations and paranoia are more common than real scams. Most guys, especially newbies with no experience, buy a scam story without even so much as a doubt or question, even if no details whatsoever are presented. EVERY agency that's been around more than a few months will have unsatisfied clients who are going to label them as scammers. However, determining whether the person reporting a scam was really scammed isn't easy. These stories are usually posted by angry men and their intent is to get revenge on the agency rather than to convey useful information that might help others avoid a scam. Sometimes they really were scammed, sometimes not. Without the details, it's impossible to be sure. Even with the details it's still uncertain, but at least if the details are presented, everyone can make up their own mind. Title: Absolutely my thoughts also n/t Post by: thesearch on April 16, 2002, 04:00:00 AM |