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I got scammed by my lady friend.  I got a confirmation letter from her girlfriend who would type out e-mails to me in the past.

I ignored what Rostick told me.
(as we were heading out to the airport, she wasn't all that terribly concerned I was leaving that day; I guess most gals would be upset... I just thought it was her temperment...wrong.

I'm not beating myself up about this... but I'm airing it because there just might be a few guys in the back of the room here in the message board that don't post... that might have these same things surfacing in their relationship.

 The red flags were suddle things, they just didn't like hit me over the head at the time.

Like for getting her papers translated I told her I would send the money to Jack/Rostick for their help...  she wanted her friends to do.  Thus, the end result was I didn't send anyone any money.

When she said her fathers car died... Yeah, right me pony up money to fix the rust bucket.  Not.

But to send her $300 bucks in December and to ask for more at the end of January, gulp... dumb me sent $100 more.

Hello....  Will someone see if I have a sign attach to my back that sez kick me. :)

I'm totally guilty, no excuses here... She was the first girl that came along.  I thought she was different from all the rest.

Guess not.   Boy will be very protective next...

Listen to your guide/translator...  Rostick, I own you one!!!

Live and learn... ha.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

I recently had a learning experience with a Ukrainian woman as well.  $400 is a small amount to learn the womans true intentions.  Be glad it happened now.  Next time you will be more aware of the red flags.  Good luck.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

Ya know Bill,
   I just don't see what the whole big deal is here.  Perhaps I don't know too much about your situtation either.  But the $400--forget it.  For a decent woman...that is pocket change.  She shared with you and now you are sharing with her.  Titfortat. Also,  I think if this girl or any girl wanted to scam you or any guy---they could do alot better than $400 over the months.  Now,  maybe she found you kinda interesting for awhile and then...changed her mind....these things happen in either direction.  Invariably,  chicks cost money.  Always.  Funny...when a relationship breaks-up the girl is mourning her time invested and the guy is mourning the money.  

 

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

definition of scammed.............
if the girl was a scammer you could be:
1. out $20,000
2. dead and she is collecting insurance
3. is coming over anyway to dump you after her green card
a. then she kills you collect insurance and bring her boyfreind boris over
4. is collecting money from many men
5. took the money and changed her phone #

did any of these happen.
Do not feel bad Bill - this is good for the newbies to see. This is the true Scammer story. It is human nature to do this. But I am afraid that you must take the heat my friend. If anyone was scammed it was her. She has wasted much time on a wing and a prayer. What do guys think these girls do all day-sit by the window and wait for their prince charming from America to come and save them-think again fellas-these are strong, intelligent women. They have not surived through their times by being stupid and weak. So my advice to you newbies! If you are timid, paraniod, stingy, have little capital, or are in anyway doing this to fill a void of personal insucurity-you will get wasted-and maybe hurt some very nice girls on your way down.
Good luck to all
Joe

... in response to Let me give you a more refined ..., posted by yoe on Mar 29, 2002

I have totally opened my relationship for others to comment on and do a check and balance on their relationship and if they're going down a deadend path.

It is reassuring to hear, others have been there.. done that.. and learned from it and moved on.  Like I am.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

I want everyone to succeed and be happy unless they're a psycho killer.  Revise your strategy and try again.  You lost about the minimum amount you could lose before finding out they aren't sincere.  Hey, my divorce cost me over $15K and that was 17 years ago.  I'm still mad about it.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

Bill, first of all let me say that I am sorry to hear that you had to deal with this. Events like this can have a take the wind out of your sales effect sometimes relative to getting back in the saddle and getting into a serious search for a FSU woman. Time will take care of this.

A long time ago I discussed my zero tolerance attitude and it became clear that in describing my views I essentially was drawing a line in the sand and found that all of those that responded did not agree with me and were going to stand on the other side of that line. However, if you had this attitude you might not have had to deal with this issue now as being such a negative. Instead it could be more like "Well I sniffed this one out before she could do too much damage." and you might have actually patted yourself on the back. And in reality she did not too much damage financially but time wise it seems she did, heart wise it seems she did a little damage also. I have to have the zero tolerance attitude as by nature I am too trusting. I expect people to be like me. I learned - it is not the real world.

Zero tolerance IMHO is a more important issue when dealing with women from the FSU because of the limits of exposure that we have. They are half way around the world for goodness sake. There is too much at risk to not have caution. It is much easier to hide intention through the Internet and short meetings then it is when you can be around someone whenever you want.

Zero tolerance here to me would have dictated that if the lady did not seem that upset at me leaving, I would observe this, deem it not acceptable behavior for a woman who supposedly was considering me for a marriage partner. You can not expect a Rostic or someone else to do this for you as they someday may not be around and as you well saw, even if they are you might ignore them. However,  back to her not seemingly being too upset about me leaving, I would also accept that I might be reading it wrong but until proven otherwise I would assume her actions simply mirrored her level of interest in me - low on the rictor scale.

I would simply cool it after the departure that did not reveal her being upset and let her play her hand and thus allow her to reveal more clearly who she is and her real intentions. My philosophy --- let a woman know that you are interested, court her and then observe her response. If the response is appropriate continue, if not - stop, wait and observe.

My experience is that women who are really interested show it. Besides, if the woman really is attracted to you, she will not let things drop if you do as long as you let her know that you were genuinely interested by either your words or obvious actions. She will pick the ball up and show you that she cares simply because she does not want to lose you.

Yes, there will be some shy ladies that won't do anything. If you think her personality is such = simply tell her that you are not going to pursue her as you can tell she is not seriously interested. This gives her the invitation to show you otherwise.

I personally would never try to win over a lady that was not interested in me because if I was successful, what would I be getting in the long run? Many guys think that it is a challenge and that it is there job to win the lady over to you - it can almost be about ego it seems to me. Not to say that there are not couples who are happy whereby the lady was not at first interested but, that more often than not this was simply about allowing time for the lady to know about your total package. I guess I am digressing here but, the point is, only accept certain behavior.

If I sound as if I know all about women, I do not mean that at all. I do know about me, and for me this approach works. So what if I lose one woman, there are so many more. All that is important is that you get just one - the one that really wants to be with you and vice versa and IMHO zero tolerance is a powerful filter. More scammers and green card ladies will be removed from the available list than sincere women.

... in response to Zero Tolerance revisited, posted by thesearch on Mar 28, 2002

Appreciate the reminder.

... in response to Zero Tolerance revisited, posted by thesearch on Mar 28, 2002

I think your post helped me to finally turn on some light in my head…  It is so true, oh my god!  I really was scammed my first trip over, and I did it all myself…  I do feel like the true sucker today….  LOL Oh man when I look back, my face turns red just thinking about it…  In some way my search is just starting to get interesting.

... in response to Nice post......, posted by Ryan on Mar 29, 2002

Ryan,

I have concluded that everything is created in the mind and that like a garden we can either give it water and sunlight or we can do things to not nourish it.

What I am going to tell you is old, has been said many times but it seems that it is something that has to be repeated and repeated in our life as there seems to be a tendency to drift in life to the opposite direction.

What I am referring to is looking to the positive and focusing on that.

So, how does that apply with your lady from Lugansk?
How do you view this positively? Well, this experience will pay off the rest of your life. You know what not to do, and I suspect you will never do anything like that again - and more importantly, I'd bet your skills in assessing people have increased dramatically as a result of the introspection that resulted from all of this.

I remember reading a book about seven self made millionaires. You know what?------They had failed and made more mistakes volume wise than people who get no where in life. The difference was how they viewed their mistakes and misfortunes. They viewed them as learning experiences, acquired knowledge which they viewed as making them more capable. One guy created a fortune twice only to loose it twice then a third finally learning how to hold on to it. The point is that our greatest lessons not uncommonly come from our mistakes. Losers were people who became self criticizing because they failed. This would then lower self esteem and thus make them less optimistic and thus more prone to fail again. There is more to this - look at things positively than is obvious on the surface - it goes far deeper with more ramifications than is readily apparent.

So, if you have to pay the price of the failure, why would you deny yourself the prize that also came from that experience. That would be like buying a very expensive car, then pouting about the price and deciding to leave the car there in retaliation and continue to complain every time you went to work to replace the money you spent on the car that you now are not enjoying.

BTW  did you see my post under your Post way below about the results of your letter writing?

... in response to Zero Tolerance revisited, posted by thesearch on Mar 28, 2002

Greg,
Your zero tolerance should work both ways.  Should a woman tolerate a man that shows little interest in her?  Would a call every couple of weeks show sincere interest on his part?  Or how about whining about an additional expense of a hundred bucks?  (over a long period of time)  Should a woman tolerate a man that puts forth so little effort to "win her over" as that?  Come on, Greg, be serious (for Bill's sake in this case).  Effort has to be made by both partners.  It is bad enough that he has shown the attitude that he was doing her such a great favor in choosing her, but you don't need to feed his misdirected (and misplaced) ego by agreeing that he was scammed.  She didn't scam him, she probably died from lonliness and boredom.
KenC

... in response to it works both ways, posted by KenC on Mar 29, 2002

Ken,

I may not be fully aware of all aspects behind Bill's attentions to his lady and thus I can not really comment.

In the same light, I did read a post on another forum for RW whereby the lady complained how her husband always threw it in her face about how she owed him for him rescuing her from her situation. They have grown apart and she is just waiting until the two year bench mark and he will find that they are history.

I agree that a woman should be the same. I only discussed one half of the equation in my post. Usually in this world it is more common that the man approaches the lady first and thus my post only focused on this half and the lady's response.

The role that men and women take in relationships is similar  but also entirely different.

When you said it goes both ways, it got me to think about an e-mail that I got this morning from the one lady that I have been writing to. I have been writing to her since late fall last. She asked me when I would be able to come and see her. I sent an e-mail telling her that it would towards the end of summer this year. This was pushing it up some as I was considering hooking up with Jack's October tour and seeing her then. Well, her e-mail came this morning telling that this was not good enough - that it needs to be sooner! She was not asking, she was essentially demanding!

So, is this what you were talking about :)))

... in response to Re: it works both ways, posted by thesearch on Mar 29, 2002

How long do you expect a woman to wait anyway.  

Don't remind a woman of how much you spent to get her over here.  Just say it was money well spent.

... in response to Jeeeez, posted by BubbaGump on Mar 30, 2002

please explain your post

... in response to you talkin to me?, posted by greg2 on Mar 30, 2002

The girls get pretty impatient.  Not many seem to want to stick with a long correspondence.  I think you should try and get there within 4 months.  

I can only remember about 15 biographies and for a lot of guys I have to keep refreshing my memory.

... in response to Zero Tolerance revisited, posted by thesearch on Mar 28, 2002

This makes perfect sense.  Why would any guy want to be with a woman that wasn't as nuts about him as he was about her... just makes me shudder in disbelief how some can drive headlong into a brick f'ng wall without looking.

There's a lot of dead one-sided relationship carcasses (or is it carci?) in this no mans land.  The proof is in the archives here.  

The lack of a Zero Tolerance rule for this, I think is what gets most men in trouble in this kind of venture.

... in response to Good Post, posted by BrianN on Mar 29, 2002

Speaking from experience it's sometimes hard to drag yourself out of a one sided relationship. There was usually some good times together that are hard to forget. And if sex was involved it really complcates things. Some people actually are emotionally involved when they have sex. It isn't just a mechanical act.

I think one of the biggest problems is that we fall in love with how we feel when we are with that person. It has nothing to do with the person and everything to do with how good it is not to be alone. It can happen anywhere, but I think it is even more dangerous with a RW. It's pretty easy to fall hard for a beautiful, sexy, exotic RW. Just the way they walk and talk can drive me crazy. And after a dance or two I'm completely lost.

But in my case once bitten, twice shy. I'm hoping not to make the same mistakes this time around.

... in response to Zero Tolerance revisited, posted by thesearch on Mar 28, 2002

My biggest fault was that she was the first one to come along.  And I choose to over look some of the red flags that floated to the surface.  

I should have done as KenC said, terminate the relationship.

Guys she's a nice girl, check her out.
She just might be the one for you.  

I've got the G-325 forms for both her and the boy.

(Bear in mind they boy has a enlarged Thyroid due to Chernobyl).  But, I over looked that, too.  He's a nice boy (honest, just turned 5)

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

Bill,
You are one delusional son of a b---.  That terrible Russkie worked you for a WHOLE FOUR HUNDRED BUCKS! (over the last 6 months) LMAO!  She has to be the worst scammer in all of the FSU. (Only $66.67/month)  Let us review the facts:
You carry your sorry Hickazz over to Ukraine.
None of the girls you went to meet work out.
At the last minute, you meet, fall in lust, get engaged.
(the sex was great, but TOO great now)
Over the next 6+ months you:
Send her $300 to cover K-1 costs (That is equal to the cost of a couple decent dates in the real world)
Whine like a baby about an additional $100.(Another date cost wise)
Call her 12 times (just to show her how much you love her)LOL.
Now you call her a scammer because she isn't all fired up about living with you in a trailer, raising tomatoes in the middle of B.F.E.?  Give up on Ukrainian women and go call your cousin.
KenC

... in response to I AM laughing now (at you), posted by KenC on Mar 28, 2002

I agree, if you are planning on spending the rest of your life with someone, $400 is nothing.  People don't realize how expensive the K-1 process is for the fiacee oversees.  For my wife every peice of paper cost something.  Then you have to pay for official translation and review of every document.  WSBill's heart certainly isn't in the right place.

... in response to I AM laughing now (at you), posted by KenC on Mar 28, 2002

I uh! Uh! well I am at a loss for words.........

... in response to WOW!, posted by yoe on Mar 29, 2002

Me two!

... in response to I AM laughing now (at you), posted by KenC on Mar 28, 2002

Kee-rist.  I missed that.  I've spent 400 bucks in the last 3 months on phone calls alone.

sorry bill, no disrespect intended; at least you tried,  which says a lot more than most.

I wouldn't say she's necessarily a scammer, but maybe she just wasn't interested and was too afraid to tell you.  People are like that.

... in response to 12 times?, posted by BrianN on Mar 29, 2002

She's a good girl, KenC is right on the money.

I should have let her go long ago.  I was the only guy who ever responded to her ad at the agency (according to her).

So I kind of felt a burden to take her in...She is a very, very nice girl, the time I spent with her were full of smiles and good times.  And the boy is a delight also.

... in response to Re: I formally withdraw the "scamme..., posted by wsbill on Mar 29, 2002

Bill,
I don't know what you and Irina had, but it wasn't love on your part for sure. I have no idea what it was for her because I have only heard your side.  When you are truly in love with someone, you never feel like you are doing them a favor.  The best relationships have two people that think they each "hit the jackpot".  While in love, you think about the person constantly and want to call her every other hour, not every other week.  Being with her (or in this case talking to her at least) is like getting your daily hit of a drug you cannot live without.  Being in love is about making her priority #1 in your life.  Expenses are not grudgingly met, you don't question what they are.  You do what ever you have to do to call or be with her.  And love is also about trust,  Sure you can question certain actions, but you also accept the explanations after they are given.  The saying about a fool in love is very applicable in this process.  That is why it is so dam easy for the RW to scam a man in love.  Irina could never have scammed you, because you never loved her.  Best of luck in finding your true love.
KenC

... in response to Fools in love, posted by KenC on Mar 29, 2002

n/t

... in response to Re: I formally withdraw the "scamme..., posted by wsbill on Mar 29, 2002

and I like her too.  Sometimes things click... and other times, they just "mechanize", but never work out for the long term.

... in response to I've seen this girl before..., posted by BrianN on Mar 29, 2002

I kid you not...  She knows it, too.

Heck, you've seen her.  You know where!  My dang website I had some pretty good pictures of her.

I'll give the scoop on her.  She doesn't like to wear dress, but prefers a set of brown wrangler jeans that are so tight it's a wonder the buttons just don't pop right off.

In that profile you will see two sets of nice clothes on her... I swear, those are the only sets of nice clothes she has!  (She wore the jeans when we went to her parents dacha and on a picnic/fishing trip).

... in response to Re: It's those eyes of hers..... they'll..., posted by wsbill on Mar 29, 2002

it was somewhere else.  She fits exactly the profile of a woman that I've been looking for, over 30, WITH a child, preferably between 1-7 yo. (But I'm working with one that wrote me a while back now so).  

I ain't no fetish kind of dude, but she's got that "look", eyes, arms... (prefer larger, non-refugee looking arms - lol)... probably the only thing that would have turned me away a long time ago, was that she's a blondie.  My ex-gf was a (dirty) blondie type, and I didn't want to visit that again.  Very pretty though, the kind that gets under my skin and I'll very likely let her take control of all emotions.. akkkk, until it's my turn.

It may be Bill, that perhaps she's seen so many different guys that were interested, that she becomes more mechanized in a relationship, and has shut down her emotions, to protect herself from being hurt.  These kinds, are the most difficult to deal with.

I think some of us guys are a little too easy with our emotional involvement.  Trust first, ask questions later.  Rather, get killed later.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

I still do not get it!
I do not see a 'scammer' profile. If she got second thougts or if she was getting money from other men or what ever-I do not see anything but plane ole' procrastination.
I sent my now wife-
$500-divorce papers
$100x24 week phone and expenses
$300 medical exam
$300 birthday and holdays
total=$3500 that does not include the money I paid for translations before we met!
Did it take a long time-yessssssssssss
were there delays-yesssssssss
What happens is there is a strong sense of paranoia.
more than that-many girls are ver nervous and have second thoughts-especially when AM take too long to make a move.
There are many parts to the puzzle.
How many times have you been to see her in the last 6 months or so. If anyone is really serious-they should not go more that 3 months without a visit. These girls also here horror stories. They do not know that we cannot be seeing other girls. Anyway, I see nothing but $400 sent. If that is your big problem, I feel that she believes that she has seen her value-$400.
Remember-they also have a lot to lose-but like us they want a strong and deliberate mate. That is the biggest problem with this scam thing. These girls come over and find that their 'men' are nothing like they were told. That big house was just a double wide! My wife still complains how poor people are in this country-she made much more money there that she is able to make here. She tells me occasionally to take my 'golden country' and shove it. :)
So I would be very intersted to see 'what was the scam"
Joe

... in response to Bill, nothing personal, but, posted by yoe on Mar 28, 2002

My wife wouldn't take any money from me but I sent some anyways because I knew that there is always a chance the worst could happen and didn't want to see her spend her own money on the medical and things, but I knew already what it cost and it was 100 to 150 for the medical and 15 to 20 dollars a page to have the divorce papers translated. How did yours cost so much more?
Mike

... in response to 500 for divorce papers and 300 for medic..., posted by Mike on Mar 28, 2002

My wife used to live in Vladivostoc (sp) and she had to travel there and then find her ex-husband and have him get teh papers-then there was the expediency. So try going from Ukraine to Russian and get your papers done for $150. That is like saying girls in Moscow are making $50 a month-yea right-that is like living in New York on $50 a month.

... in response to Divorce papers..........., posted by yoe on Mar 29, 2002

I see. I was just wondering is all, thought maybe you had to pay for the divorce as if she was still married or something. As for my wife she made $400 a month when I met her and held jobs that paid $1000, plus she was always making an extra buck on the side. Those in Moscow that make it on $150 a month must watch every penny that's for sure! It is a little like livinng in NY sense it is so large and all.
Mike

... in response to Bill, nothing personal, but, posted by yoe on Mar 28, 2002

Was it tranlated on.. Gold leaf.

This chic wasn't paranoia, she wasn't like the typical Ukrainean girl.  She lived in E. German for at least 3 years and no doubt she knows the tricks of her trade.

I hate to bring this out... but when we were horizontal.  She asked me in 100% pure no accent russian "have you come yet" and they way propped her legs up in place.  Gulp, I felt a cold chill run down my back.  But whatever her life story was, I really didn't care (I should have - one of those warning signs..red flags).

No doubt, like I said before I was apart of this problem.

The scammer part... Well, your right.  It's up in the air, just like all of them.  However, I would asking her point blank if she wants to come to America and she would say 'Yes'.

The real proof that I have is that her e-mail friend sent me a valid response.

If you think I didn't communicate with her, I would try and telephone her atleast once every 2 weeks.  When I mailed that $300 check in December, I would have hoped to have gotten something atleast in the mail in Febuary or early March. Nothing...

So should I warn any future guys about this lady.  Who will gladly take their money, but do nothing in return?

... in response to Re: $500 for divorce papers... what kind..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

that's when it's sex for sex, not emotionally involved, just plain sex.

We got them come yet types right here in the good old usa.

The difference is... we call it "gettin laid".  not getting married.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

How did she scam you.

I know your situation some and of course you know that I also met your gal so I am familiar.  

I think everyone is looking for a specific reason why it did not work out or what action or inaction that came to make you realize she was a scam.  How was this revealed to you.

I know it may be tough to talk about it and maybe you feel a little bad talking about it and if you don't want to then I am sure that is okay with everyone, but I must admit I am also very curious.

If you like you can e-mail me about it.

... in response to Re: I think the question on everyone's m..., posted by Oatmeal on Mar 28, 2002

Through her internet connection.

Hello Bill,

Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:53:38 PM, you wrote:

BP Dasha, do you know of any nice single Ukraine girls
BP who might want to move to America ?

BP I don't think Irina wants to come.  She is happy in
BP her small room and feeble life.

BP I guess I will have to start looking for my other half
BP soon.  Since, Irina has made no effort to help me.
BP She does not write.

BP Larisa, Rostick and Violetta were right.  She is
BP insincere and greedy.

BP bill

Greetings, Bill!
It is very a pity to me, that your hopes have not come true.: (
About girls I do not know. At me such familiar is not present.
But you see there are many any marriage agencies in internet.
For example: http: // bride.ru/. And Russian girls same as well as
Ukrainian :)
And about Irina - you are right.
I wish you good luck! not ðàññòàèâàéñÿ

--
Best regards,
Dasha

... in response to Re: Re: I wrote to her friend who sent m..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

And I'm sorry that obviously through what you have posted reveals little about your goals in seeking a UW as well as the methods and techniques you employ.  However, I find it somewhat interesting that your note starts out "Dasha, do you know of any nice single Ukraine girls who might want to move to America?".

I think this may contribute to the problem as there are many that want to move to America but few of them will actually be right for you.  

Maybe it might be more fruitful if you had asked something such as:  Dasha, it doesn't appear that things are working out between myself and Irina.  Therefore, I think I should expand my search and try to find someone more compatible with me that is more of what I am seeking in a wife and partner.  Let me explain a little about what I am searching for in a wife.  (List what you seek).  Do you know any ladies that would be better suited as a partner for me based on my crieteria?

It appears to me that you are coming across as rather desperate which a women can smell a mile away (a scammer can smell it clear across the ocean).  At the least it sounds like if she is attractive and wants to move to America, WHAM!  We got a match.  Again, I'm sure that there is probably more to your search then what is obviously posted, but just trying to help.  Remember, you have to sell your self as well as know exactly what you want in exchange for what you have to offer.  And you must present yourself in such a way as not to ever appear desperate to a women regardless of whether she is an AW or an RW.  Regardless of how desperate you may actually be.  LOL  Also the appearance of desperation makes you more susceptible to being scammed or at least taken advantage of.

Please don't take this as a slam (as I don't have any room to talk myself:)), but I'm just trying to help you buddy  :)

BTW, just out of curiosity, how old was Irina?

... in response to Bill, if I may......., posted by DE on Mar 28, 2002

http://www.excellence.com.ua/B/DT/Irina-B-93.html

(in the prior posting of her profile she had listed she knew english).

No doubt, looking back I wish I would have rewritten that letter to make it sound more direct.  But Dasha and I had talked once before.  So this wasn't like something new to her.

In fact, Irina used Dasha less and less for e-mailing me.  My guess is that see saw what was happening and distanced herself from Irina.

KenC... Glad to see you still haven't lost your edge. ha.

... in response to Re: Here is her profile at the agency in..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

So, what's wrong with Dasha?

Sometimes this kind of "friend", can be the best match.

(In one way, I'm making a joke, but in another, I'm serious).

... in response to Devils Advocate., posted by BrianN on Mar 29, 2002

She is a college student from Moscow, going to school in Kiev... She has a boy friend.

... in response to Re:  Dasha - I agree, posted by wsbill on Mar 29, 2002

Maybe get her to set you up with someone, if she knows you, your personality, and what you're like.  Sometimes "other" women, can be great match makers, when they know the playing field.  Just don't hold them responsible for the results though.  Interpreters... (in my experience), can be worth one heck of a lot more than they're paid.

... in response to Re: Re: I wrote to her friend who sent m..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

To her started translating her marriage, divorce, birth certificate for her and her boy and she hasn't done a thing.

She plays on that she doesn't know too much english but one day she was talking up a storm in it.  And the next she was giving me the yanya-pinya-myo song and dance the next time we talked.

Scamming no doubt comes in many flavors.

I told her to get started on her paper work and she hasn't done a thing.

... in response to Re:  Let me put it this way.... I sent h..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

Wow it frustrates me just reading this…  She is one of the worst types if scammers… Your right I hope she like that little hole she lives in because she will probably be their her whole life…  The screwed up thing about it is that they like it… Or seem to put up with it…  It seem there are many like this...

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

But, I'm only out about $1000 in all since last June.

I'm not bummed about the money, but it's the timeline.
I'll accept fault, alot of it was my own choosing to ignore red flags that surfaced as time went on.

Like the veterans on the board say, don't dismiss those feelings.  I won't anymore!  No more feeling sorry for them, they are battle harden in their way of life.  No doubt, I was mister softy full of pity feelings for them.
NOT ANYMORE...(easier said than done).ha.

I'm certainly guilty for chasing after ONE woman, I'm not good at stringing along a few ladies in letter writing campaigns.  But I that's something I must Master.

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I'm still in the game, I still want to see more of Ukraine and what it has to offer...

... in response to Re: Hard to say she's not a scammer, posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

Try to cheer up. I guess she just wasn't "worthy" of you, guy.

... in response to Re: Re: Hard to say she's not a scammer, posted by rojak on Mar 28, 2002

I've found me some $2 address of ladies in a country towns and will just have to avoid those big city women.  

Logic sez, get a country girl...

... in response to Re: Hard to say she's not a scammer, posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

I made no attempts to hide my other correspondences from the ladies I initially wrote to, Bill.  I didn't brag about it, but I also didn't hide it.  That serves a twofold purpose.  First, it shows your honesty in the matter.  Second, it impresses on the lady that you are looking for the *right* woman, not just *any* woman.  That goes a long way toward weeding out the undesireables, or at least keep them on better behavior.

Sorry to hear that things didn't work out.  If you need a hand with getting back on the horse again, email me.  I'll be happy to help as I can.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

I'm sorry things didn't work out between the two of you.  I hope things work out better the next time.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

Tough break Bill. I wish I could offer something more than a few words of encouragement - but as others have already said, you are going to be better-informed and ultimately stronger for it.

You're a good guy Bill. She's the one that lost out.

- Dan

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

Bill, sorry to hear of this situation.  Is she the one you posted pics of with a young child, boy I think, several months ago?

It is not clear to me how she scammed you.  A lot of guys have sent $300 or so to a lady, so that is not uncommon.  And you did meet her before sending any money, so you weren't the complete fool there.

JR

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

Don't worry about it anymore.  As far a broad are concern, you are playing the par.  Meaning that it could have
been worse.  No birdie or eagle, just the par.  You could have hit it out of bound, stoke and distance, then in a
trap,  a large one, miss the green and when on it, left with a long putt.  What is good about this adventure, it
is that you kow, now, the price, you have paid before playing and hoping.  Could have been much worse,
when you do pay after playing, then they do take all you have got, sometime.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

bill, you have learned a great deal, the experience will only help you. get your boots back on and prepare for your next trip.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

Bill,
I am sorry that things didn't work out.  Can you explain what makes her a scammer?  Did she never intend on coming here?  If things just didn't work out, it is sad, but not necessarily a scam.  A scam would be if she had a plan to mislead you from the start for financial gain.  Think about it and let us know.
KenC

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

So what was it that made you think you were scammed again?  I understand that you sent money and all but what heppened did she just keep asking for money and you no longer want to pay it?  Or I just don't understand I guess what was in the conformation letter?  Either way it's a tuff break and I am sorry, are you putting her on the scammer site?

Anyway did ya get a harvest out of the tomato's yet?  I guess your going to have some major canning to do..  I have a great stewed tomato recipe that I use for canning every year at the end of summer...  (Michigan harvest time)...  Did I ever tell you that I did some canning when I was in the Ukraine... That was a different method they had going quite interesting...

Ryan

... in response to Re: Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by Ryan on Mar 28, 2002

Tomatos - Actually I've hooked up with some established resturants and they've agreed to buy whatever I can provide for them.
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The girl... of course, I'll forward her bio to a scammer site, I'm definately going to create a free website in her name, so no one else do the same thing.  (I'll just state what happened).  The anti-scam sites can take what info they need from it.
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The break up is just as well.  I'm not to bend on it, I'd rather inform you guys...So you don't have to go down that path I choose to take.

I am sincerely bless to have Marty & Larisa as friends (though we have never met), as well as all the guys I have met along the way.

I should have heeded Rostick advice, as this is the guy knows it all, the different types of women out their.  He point blank told me something is wrong with her.

Rostick was right on with what he said about RAGS and V.
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Now it's back to looking at profiles.

... in response to Re: Re: Tomatos, posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

Have gotten cold feet and decided not to follow threw with everything?  Hey it happens, ask for the money you gave her back.....LOL  (Sorry) I also have a big heart and just give when It feels right to me...  This whole thing is a crapshoot...  Choose wisely everyone!

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

It's hardly laughable and she fooled me and Larisa too. For those who don't know, Larisa and I met Bill's ex(?) in Jan in Kiev and she was really nice and Larisa and her became fast friends.  I couldn't see anything wrong with her when I met her so what do you do.  Sure, there were some little red flags along the way but nothing major until it got to the money.  We're all suckers when it comes to women, you just have to have a little luck to find the right one.  Hang in there, pull yourself up, and try it again if you feel this way is for you.  I lucked out so I honestly believe it's worth it.

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

I been away and guess I missed ALOT!!!!!!!

Thought things were on track for you.

I remember looking at all your photos and they were great!

Maybe a few guys will THINK alittle bit before they pull the trigger so fast. I doubt it, though.

The ole' 10 days together and file the paperwork, seems to be the norm...ahahahhahahahha

Plenty of other wonderful ladies out there.

Sorry dude!!