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Dear Gentlemen,

I am relatively new on this site.  And I have been only reading it before. I must note it is quite interesting to read what you AM think about us RW.  I feel as if I am on the enemy side and I am a spy:-)) But now I just can't keep silent:-)

What I want to say is that if a RW is beautiful and sexy in a way it doesn't always mean that she is a scammer.  For example, many people consider me to be pretty and men often tell me that. But I personally don't think so, I think that I am one of the beautiful ones but not the most beautiful and I usually behaive modestly and such.  So, please don't be afraid of beautiful women, they want to be happy too:-))

And one more thing.  Many of you seem to be very afraid of scammers RW and you look for red flags everywhere.  But you know I think it is wiser to use a personalized approach to the women you correspond with.  I mean that sometimes if you would look on a situation from a general point of view some actions or words of a RW would look like red flags but if you try to put yourself in her shoes then you would understand better why she does or says something. (This however is not an excuse for asking money.  I agree that asking money is not appropriate). Oh, I hope you understand what I mean.

Sorry for my poor English.

Best of luck to all of you!

... in response to Beautiful - doesn't always mean a scamme..., posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

Cinderella,
I would be interested in getting to know you better, and learning about your experiences in this process.

Hope to hear from you,
Marc

... in response to Beautiful - doesn't always mean a scamme..., posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

...The beautiful FSU woman I ended up with is listed as a scammer on several websites. Whether she is or not is another story. I considered her (and many like her) easy pickings because, once they're tagged, most men avoid them like the plague.

Never been known to do things the "traditional" way, even this. I like a challenge and believe it or not, even scammers have a heart that can be won.

... in response to I agree...., posted by LP on Mar 3, 2002

but that is what I love about ya...........
Did you miss me. :)
Joe

... in response to I agree...., posted by LP on Mar 3, 2002

You do know all the tricks of the trade.
So from a trick you made her a trick.
It is the only way to go.
But I am still wondering about her shortfall, the one from Cyprus,  we french do ot think that girls do have shorts,
it is always upon the man shoulders.
By the way did you take these photos, because on some of them, you did not do her justice, per say.
Perhaps the wine was too good,     some greek white wine is superb, right.

... in response to Re: I agree...., posted by micha1 on Mar 3, 2002

...do you speak of Monsewer? You mean the girl in Cyprus?

The link I provided was of a single foto, which I did not take. I have better fotos of her and yes, that one does not do her justice. She is a fox and has a figure that was soliciting respones from traffic everywhere we walked, hard to believe she has a 14 year old daughter. (She just turned 32, do the math.) That kind of decision making process, along with her being under my "legal limit", was cause enough to throw her back.

Her other shortfall was that all her beauty is on the outside, plain and simple. One of the most self centered people I ever met, she told me "all men love me". Yeeeaaah, whatever you say sweetheart. As easy on the eyes as she was, she was a real mess inside, typical of a woman who has been repeatably exploited for only her looks. Otherwise I might have continued on with her despite the age difference. I doubt it though, as my experience with youngsters has taught me they simply aren't worth it. (They sure are fun however.)

We had a great time though, at least the two weeks we spent together in Cyprus. I'll tell you what. I'll email you a foto of her that *does* do her justice, and then some. lol, then again, maybe I'd better not, that old French heart of your's may not be up to it.

... in response to What fotos...., posted by LP on Mar 3, 2002

Thanks LP,  you don't seem to know that there was a lot photos on the link you provided,  only had to change the
numbers, at the end.  If my old memory doesn't fail me, eleven of them.
As for the rest, I am please of your concerns about my heart.  But three weeks ago, was 12 minutes easy on the
carpet, recuperated in 75 second.  If I did quit, it was because of the cold outside, living in Montreal, sometime
we do have winter, here.
But I would like to pretend that I do know that, as we get long on the tooth, we begin to look at the inside as
much as we do  the outside.
As for the rest, thanks for the answer and I shall e-mail you, soon, to pick your brain, some.

A la prochaine.

... in response to Beautiful - doesn't always mean a scamme..., posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

I am under the impression from reading your post, that you are trying to say that a woman will never consider
herself pretty enough, no matter how good she looks.
No matter you are quite a refreshing breath of fresh air on this forum,  we do need more of you, along with
Natalya and RW,  because at times the conversations and post  are going around in circle.
Please stay, your enlightment here is greatly needed.

And anytime you wish to,  you can teach me english.
I am also very grateful that you did not hurt yourself or broke you glass slipper, when you did fall from heaven
to be amongst us, angel.

In parting, did you know that the next great musical comedy to open soon, is call  "Cindy", perhaps after you.

... in response to Re: Beautiful - doesn't always mean a sc..., posted by micha1 on Mar 3, 2002

Thank you all for your warm reception:-)))

Since you don't mind my English I would be writing from time to time:-))

... in response to Re: Re: Beautiful - doesn't always mean ..., posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

I do also need to better my french, it must too much to expect that you are fluent there also.
With an angel, we never know, do we.

... in response to Beautiful - doesn't always mean a scamme..., posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

If you are not getting many letters it could be the agency you are using.  Some agencies partner with American companies and get their best girls put on the popular American or European websites.  Other agencies keep their girls to themselves and they don't get seen.  Maybe nobody is seeing your picture.  

I was visiting a less well known web site today and noticed they had very few hits on many attractive ladies.  All of those women would have been screened out by me because of poor English skills.  But your main problem is that there are many Eastern European women chasing the few western men willing to take this risky venture.  One agency owner told me he had over 55,000 women in his database.  His agency will only list 1500 women a year in their catalogs.  

The only advice I can offer is that should enlist with a second agency to be seen on other web sites.  Your pumpkin is waiting Cinderella and better luck at the next ball.  

... in response to The view from this side of the border, posted by BubbaGump on Mar 3, 2002

Thank you. But I don't use services of any agencies.  I put up my pictures and profiles myself on western sites.

I wonder why do the AM man ask RW to take off her profile from the site where he met her and correspond only with him???

... in response to Thanks - I know, posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

In that man's case, he was hoping he had an exclusive relationship with the woman.  Considering the record of American and other men with Russian and Ukrainian women, they are looking until the ink is dry on the marriage certificate.  I can understand a woman's desire to keep trying, especially if she is getting older and wants to have children.  This happens to us often, even when we are serious about the woman.

... in response to Thanks - I know, posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

Not all men are like this. I would encourage a lady that I was writing to - to write to as many men as she can - not only me. The way I look at it, the more men that she can choose from, the better chance that she will find the man she wants. So, if she were to choose me over many men it is more meaningful.

The only reason that a man should ask for you to not correspond with other men is when you and he have decided that you are meant for each other and you give each other a  commitment. Otherwise, he should not ask such.

Men who try to restrict you in your search may be revealing to you that they are very controlling individuals. This is not good. So, to me, this is a form of a red flag that should prompt you to  look for future signs of that person being a controller. Men who are controllers are men who commonly express control in relationships more than unconditional love.

I have an unrelated question for you. Debates will surface here about age differences.  What are your views concerning various age differences between the man and woman?

... in response to Answer to your question, posted by greg2 on Mar 3, 2002

Thank you.  Your view on controlling men is very interesting.

I think the age difference is a very individual issue.  For some people it is exceptable to marry someone who is much older or much younger.  And some prefer someone closer to their own age.

However, I think that most RW would accept a proposal from a man who is 10-15 years older, because they think those guys have already achieved something and are more reliable and are more family-oriented.

Thanks again for warm reception.

... in response to Beautiful - doesn't always mean a scamme..., posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

Thanks for your input and I'm sure I'm speaking for everyone that we hope you continue to contribute and offer your point of view in our disscussions.  We need more input from RWs!  Thanks

... in response to Beautiful - doesn't always mean a scamme..., posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

Cin-babe,
I think men are more afraid of themselves with a beautiful woman.  The MORE beautiful the woman, the MORE men will lose their heads.  BTW, your English is great, may be you could coach a few of the regular AM posters here.  LOL.
KenC

... in response to Re: Beautiful - doesn't always mean a sc..., posted by KenC on Mar 3, 2002

..."Cin-babe", "may be" you could teach Ken.

lol, no offense Ken-dude, I'm just yanking your chain.

... in response to Re: Beautiful - doesn't always mean a sc..., posted by KenC on Mar 3, 2002

I wonder why is it so difficult for some AM to come to Russia and visit a RW???

What are the reasons to postpone a visit if everything seems OK?

... in response to ???, posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

1) They are men who can not make a decision for themselves, let alone a family. Choosing what to wear that day is a "life" decision.
2) They make excuses about the logistics (specific difficulties of travel).
3) They feel more pressure from their peers (friends and family, than they are willing to admit.
4) They are afraid of rejection, and feel they can be more sucessful behind a computer screen and keyboard.
5) They are "players", and interested in the game, not the reality. I know one married guy who is writing 3 women in Russia and Poltava Ukraine. He makes me sick!

Steve

... in response to ???, posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

There are many excuses for why men might not go to Russia. But I think the biggest reason is fear and insecurity. It isn't easy to take the first step that will lead you into a strange world. For many people it is easier to stay where they are comfortable and dream of adventure than to actually live a little.

... in response to ???, posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

Cin,
I have often wondered the same thing.  There are too many guys that are "playing" with the "idea" of finding a RW without actually having plans on going to Russia.  I find it amusing that there are men here that know everything there is to know about Russia's culture, people, religion ect. without the benifit of traveling there.  I guess that I am way too spontaneous for such deligent research.  LOL  I know it is good to have some knowledge about the country, but it is much more importnat to know the woman.  The only way to get to know the woman is to get on a plane.
KenC

... in response to Re: ???, posted by KenC on Mar 3, 2002

When the notion hit me to go to Russia I had tickets one week later! Now I'm glad that my spontaneous personality was working that week as I am now married to a sweety.
Mike

... in response to Beautiful - doesn't always mean a scamme..., posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

Your English is VERY good! Hmmmmm could you be a scammer? (wink)

... in response to Re: Beautiful - doesn't always mean a sc..., posted by Mike on Mar 3, 2002

You know what, not only RW can be a scammer.  AM can be a scammer as well. I have been unfortunate to correspond with one of them for 4 months.  I am very careful myself either, but I still try to remain open-minded.

... in response to Thank you:-), posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

You will find that there are many here on this board that are willing to assist you in any questions you might have regarding AM as we look for your help regarding our questions about RW.  Please become a regular contributor as there is much we can learn from each other :)

... in response to Thank you:-), posted by Cinderella on Mar 3, 2002

Cinderella,
   There are plenty of good men and good women out there. You will find one I am sure.
   All you can do is be honest with the other person. If something they say or do troubles you, think about it. Ask yourself if you would have acted the same way to that person. If not,get out of the relationship.
   Best of luck to you,

      Rod