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What are your feelings about getting pictures from women when they are in their bathing suit or something in this line?  I have been getting E-mails and letters totaling over 40 now and with some women after a few letters they send pictures of them in little clothing.  Now I take this as a red flag. I don’t really want a woman that does this as I feel they are just playing games.  Just today I weeded out yet another woman that did this.  She wrote back to me telling me that I didn’t have an open mind.  I just deleted her from my E-mail list. From the 40 I have been weeding out to about 13 today.  My qualifications are they must be decent looking and over 24 years old.  What are your opinions about this sort of thing?  In the same respect I have a friend in Kiev that I write to all the time, she is searching for an American man and I give her advice and she gives me advice.  She tells me that some guys will send pictures of body parts like their chest hair etc.  I told her they were sick people and she should stay away as they are playing games and probably will never come to see her.  So any advice here?

... in response to Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

I've been looking at pictures of women in big fuzzy overcoats and I want to have a better idea if they have a nice figure or not.  Just so long as the picture is not too suggestive.  

I noticed an older picture of a couple of girls that were dressed modestly and they updated their web pictures to something more sexy, I assume because they were not getting responses.

... in response to Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

I have to agree with you, Ryan.  Women that send risque photos in bathing suits lying in the sand or in bed or in the water are raising a red flag in my view.  I remember when I met my wife and we went to the beach in Yalta.  She looked great in her bikini and it took some persuasion by me to let me take a picture of her standing near the beach in her bikini.  I think there are a lot of very beautiful women who don't have to undress to attract the great guys and a good full length photo gives you a pretty good idea of what they look like.

... in response to Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

I have always heard that women from the FSU are more inclined to send more risky photos becuase of their attitudes towards their bodies and sex.  

I have also heard that a man should not be put off by the fact a women sent him a more risky photo (even one showing her breasts)  However,  I should say that I personally would not choose to correspond with a lady who would also choose to put a half nude photo on the internet or even one who choose to send me one during an initial correspondence.  If a lady had been writing me a while and became much more familiar and talked about it a little then it would be much different.

I don't think that bikinis are all that bad but probably about as risky a photo as I would go with as far as initial correspondence or placing on the internet.

But then again, I am a little more old fashioned in my thinking.

... in response to Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

You know, I would second this one.  I've been going through e700 to write to the ladies, and there are women out there who have agency shots just like the ones you are describing.  I've gotten some that borderline on pornography!  You could see ummmm, Eraser heads!!  I run away screaming!  The gal I have been corresponding with has done no such thing - no talk about financial stability or liking flowers or whatnot, just looking for a soulmate (which she stated in about 4 different letters ;-))  But I can't decide if it's one of two things:

1)  They're smart and know what guys are after.  But if they are cheapening they're search to compete in this manner, I have to question their sincerity.  Mebbe they are more open about this stuff, but only a percentage (mebbe 10) seem to be doing shots like this.  It screams that they are more interested in getting over here as a piece of meat (IE - whatever it takes), as opposed to other methods.

2)  They're getting bad advice somewhere's along the line.  Mebbe they're friends are telling them to do it, perhaps the agencies (at least in the e700 scenario), mebbe they are sweet girls, and they think that's all WE'RE interested in, so they kinda go along and do what they have to to feel they are competing for a good man.

Either way, I try to get a good look at the eyes of the picture.  You can usually tell which side of the coin they might land on.  Are they casting that sultry look at the camera, or a big white toothy smile.  I still avoid either one, but depending on your own personal morality....

I personally am interested in a sincere woman, and a woman who knows she is sincere will play the game as herself (whatever that may be).  IMO when a woman flaunts her goods, she knows she is going to reach the wrong brain!  And that's what she's counting on.  How many times you had a girl stroke your ego, or rub on ya a little - to get something she wants - without delivering the goods she seemed to be advertising?  Women are women whether they be American or Russian.  The difference (I hope) between AW / RW is the chip on AW's shoulder...

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Clay

... in response to Re: Pictures from Women, posted by Clay on Feb 22, 2002

Clay,

I am sure they do it because it works. Maybe most of the men involved in this process are not like YOU.

I think that is it - that is why you.are looking at this a wonderin.

... in response to Re: Pictures from Women, posted by Clay on Feb 22, 2002

Clay,

I am sure they do it because it works. Maybe most of the men involved in this process are not like YOU.

I think that is it - that is why you looking at this a wonderin.

... in response to Re: Pictures from Women, posted by Clay on Feb 22, 2002

Just my advice guys take it or leave it. The most important thing is just going there! Go ahead and make plans in your head that you will be going back again and if you don't need to that's ok. I wouldn't make a romance over the internet at all just freindships. Be open and tell them you are going there to consider the idea of marriage to a FSU lady. Keep as much money in your pocket as you can while here doing your search. My personal thoughts on spending any money at all to talk to ladies via e-mail or snail mail addresses is too risky. Once you are there you will see that all the time you spent writing a lady and getting to know her can be done over a coffee, plus you risk the chance of painting this dream picture in your head of romance and love, only to possibly be disapointed. Have you ever talked to anyone in a chat room and traded pictures and then go meet them ? If not try it and you'll see there is a big difference. You are exotic to them and they will want to talk to you just for that reason ( if you go off the beaten path a little). Also translators in my oppinion are another thing that's over rated. They are nice when you first get there and you're trying to figure out north from south, but you'll quickly see it is a no brainer and kinda fun using a translation dictionary and that's if she doesn't speak English!
Mike

... in response to Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

Women are doing what they feel they have to do to put themselves in their best possible light.  If they feel they have a great figure etc. they show it off.  It gives you an idea of their confidence level and upbringing as well.

... in response to I disagree, posted by hockeybrain on Feb 22, 2002

sorry could not resist changing your handle.

the women  many times have photographs showing legs, cleavage  or some other seductive approach but men do not..

... in response to I disagree, posted by hockeybrain on Feb 22, 2002

Don't you do whatever is best and possible to put yourself in the best possible light, like we all do.
You are taking your best shot, so are they.
Hoping to get lucky.

... in response to I disagree, posted by hockeybrain on Feb 22, 2002

I think on this run I will go with the women that are holding flowers or something like that.  If I blow this trip I will come back and "Open My Mind" for my next little tour if I do it at all...  This is really not easy, first you have to pick the right ones then you have to deal with the travel then the country itself.  Not to mention getting them here and living with the culture diff.  Why am I doing this?

... in response to Re: I disagree, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

I only got one bathing suit picture from the numerous ladies I wrote to.  Actually, I might have ended up marrying her if Marina hadn't edged her out.  As it was, we remained friends and helped her to land a husband in England.

I wouldn't worry about the bathing suit pictures too much, Ryan.  It's what is in your correspondence that will tell you if the lady is worth pursuing.  If she's a knockout, but every time you read her letters you feel a headache coming on, drop her.  Likewise, if her letters appeal to you greatly, ignore the picture and concentrate on what's inside.

The more serious you are in your quest and in your correspondence, the better results you will get.  If you are feeling not too sure about it, it will wash out of you and into your letters eventually.  If the RW senses this, (and believe me, she will) she will eventually consider you as some sort of player and then drop you.

As always, this is simply my 2¢ and strictly my opinion and experience.  Your mileage may vary...

... in response to Remember, they're just pictures, posted by John K on Feb 22, 2002

asdf

... in response to Re: I disagree, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

1.  It is alot of fun.

2.  You just know you can find a better wife than here.

... in response to Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

Humor....is there any humor among the sea of negativity on the msg board.

... in response to Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

Maybe, Ry...she is just giving you a look at her goods in the swimsuit.  Maybe to keep your interest as she is probably quite sure you have heard from other females.  For most females there--- the competition for a decent guy borders on the overwhelming.  Most know they are in a competition with other ladies for the few decent guys there...so it would not be too astounding that the swimsuit girls know they are competeing...just as they probably would in the FSU and doing so with a little practicality...afterall they do have a good idea of what guys are interested in.

... in response to Well,  maybe not?, posted by tim360z on Feb 22, 2002

Ya but you know some of these pictures are not of them walking out of the pool or at a picnic with their friends and they are in a bathing suit.  These are tits pushed together and lying on the beach sand with the waves coming in between their legs type stuff.  I would be embarrassed just getting my picture taken in such a pose.  That leads me to think who is taking this picture?  I got one of a girl in her underwear sort of hiding behind some curtains in her flat.  That is the one that I sent her a picture of me in my Speedo swimwear as a joke she wrote back and said it was a mistake she sent the picture.  Again I dropped her… I guess I see you point but come on I guess Europe is more free with their body than I think.  I want a good girl and some seem like this then all of a sudden you get the posed out picture and it really screws with your mind.

... in response to Re: Well,  maybe not?, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

Hey Ry,
   Yeah!  I was thinking it was just more of a swimsuit shot or something like that.  From what you describe they are in the titillation dept.  Something to stay away from.  A nice decent girl may send you a swimsuit shot of her like with her friends or family at the beach,  summertime.  Like an unsophiscated snapshot.  Sounds like you are getting the "set-up shots".  Somebody's trying to set you up for something you really don't want.  Good luck...Tim

... in response to Re: Well,  maybe not?, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

Ryan,
A bathing suite pose isn't all that bad, but the photo you describe does sound bad.  Factor in that RW are more liberal and more feminine than the normal AW.  RW are proud of their bodies and are not afraid to "show it off" via tight clothing and such.  This takes some getting used too by us AM.  I recently told a friend that a "provocative photo" his Russian gal sent him was just her being "Russian".  LOL.  In general, just be cautious of any woman trying too hard too soon.
KenC

... in response to Re: Well,  maybe not?, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

I think you answered your question. There is the photo at the beach in a swim suit and there is a provocative shot with its intentions. Provocative is relative leading to porno and everyone has a certain line that is crossed - well I guess some like "TheReview" I would guess do not, but generally speaking this is true. I personally would stay away from the ladies who send the more provocative shots. If there was one that I was really interested in, I would still meet her if she was in the area you are visiting just to see what she was really like.

... in response to Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

I wouldn't call picture of people in bathing suits a red flag:  I would call it a "marketing technique".  

People are going to react differently to this kind of picture.  Someone who sends this type of picture may very well be sincere, but not the type of person that the recipient of the picture would like to get to know better.

If it bothers you that much, then maybe you should move on. On the other hand, you could use the picture to start a discussion with the woman about how both of you feel about this sort of thing.

... in response to Re: Pictures from Women, posted by Richard on Feb 22, 2002

I find that most pictures like this come from women around 20 years old under 24.  I got so many and was tired of it I took a different approach with one girl.  I sent her a picture of me speedo bathing suit.  It was a picture taken of me 10 years back when I was her age so I sent that to her.  She just sent me a letter back telling me that I looked young for my age.  I told her that it was a joke because she sent me such types of pictures.  She told me she didn't mean to send that picture that it was a computer mistake.  I dropped her.

... in response to Re: Re: Pictures from Women, posted by Ryan on Feb 22, 2002

Steve Markos wrote about this extensively, that ladies that show skin are likely to get 10 times the response of those that don't.  It does increase their "lead to choice of men" ratio.

While I think it's great to look at, those kind of pics never fit my personal parameters for a woman that I'd be interested in, unless of course, I was already involved with her... (that's a different story altogether!).

... in response to It really is just "marketing"...., posted by BrianN on Feb 22, 2002

Yes I agree, and have wrote to them that if we had met then her sending such pictures would be ok.