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Introduction - Who/What the RWNA/feminazi troll is -

For me, it is clear. I don't understand why you don't see it. No matter how well written(the golfman post) or sincere they seem to be, they always fit into a mold that sets them apart from the rest of us. These trolls such as mylon, natashka, etc. have read this board before, so he/she knows what the prevailing theme is here. The troll also knows that most people will think of him/her as a troll. He/she just wants to cause trouble and find out how stupid people are on here for believing his/her crap. The troll is not a regular poster, but a completely new poster who just signed up just to post his/her propaganda. The troll also knows that to keep his/her ISP hidden from us, he/she must register. The troll's ISP is probably already blocked from unregistered posting, but he/she knows that all he/she has to do is delete the cookies from his/her previous troll ID and create a new user in order to post propaganda again.

Most important, a troll's motivation -

The troll's purpose is clearly to spam us with anti-RW RWNA or feminazi style propaganda. The troll has achieved the results he/she wanted, and that is for a lot of you to waste time discussing scamming dishonest RW creating an atmosphere of tension and paranoia. You chumps fall for it. Don't you feel stupid now?

No, you're too stubborn and egotistical to call a troll a troll. You think you can reason with them. I'm sorry, you can't. It's kind of like dealing with a Muslim suicide terrorist. The only way to deal with them is to kill them.

Discussing the issues reasonably -

Now, as for a reasonable and objective discussion on scammers, con-artists, and visa foxes - don't you think that the many knowledgeable veterans on here are a much better source of information?

Why give the scumbag trolls any credence when you have the best and most objective sources here. There are a few RW/UW posting here now. Why not ask them to discuss the issue from their point of view? You certainly can't get much insight from warthog looking feminazi or a stupid sex tour pervert RWNA loser, now can you?

Stop playing footsie with the trolls -

You should be pissed that these trolls’s such as Claire are posting that garbage on here.
Start using your brain people and stop letting these trolls kick you in the ***** with their propaganda.

-blm

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

Here are a few ways to tell that the poster may be a troll:

1) You recognize the post as a complete or partial repeat of past troll posts.
2) They know who the board members are, and insult you like they know you.
3) There are lots of backhanded insults like: We know these women don't marry these men for love. One of the recent posts was laced with several insults yet guys kept insisting the poster was sincere.  They just can't get the feminazi out of their normal writing.  Remember, these women don't think like us or write like us.
4) I think a girl that comes on here as a student writing a research paper is up to no good.  Troll again.  What reliable objective data could be gathered here.  Data should be from a random sample.  
5) This is their first post and it's negative or at least very skeptical. Probaby a troll.
6) They complain about censureship of alternate opinions.
7) Say women are only out for a visa, green card, money, sugar daddy, not love or a normal life.
8) They claim they realized it was all a waste of time and just went right out and got a beautiful American girl, yeah right. Golfman said: "I find that I have no troubles at all making friends with attractive women." Again, yeah right!  
9) They can cite many personal experiences with RW to AM marriages that went bad.  Thay say she'll wipe you out come divorce time and claim abuse.    
10) Say they have heard revealing comments from RW about their true motives.  If this comes from a regular it's ok though.
11) They hate all the agencies and Jack especially.
12) They mention sex trade, skin trade, buying a woman, etc.
13) They really hate Dan, BarryM, KenC, JohnCC, StanB and LP.
14) They hate Russians.  They're lazy, stupid, AIDs infected, prostitutes, dishonest, scheming, etc.

How did I come up with so much off the top of my head?  I didn't, I went through my saved troll posts while writing this.

... in response to Troll signatures, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 21, 2002

They just registered giving no or little info so this is their first post and they create a second "new poster" to pretend that that person validates their claim.  Suddenly two new posters show up, one with an obvious troll story and one attempting to validate it.  LOL, they sure don't have much creativity.

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

Well,

I think you are dreaming. Even if you get people to agree to burn everyone (shoot and ask questions later) for the sake of percentages (better to kill 8 trolls and sacrifice 2 honest people for the sake of the 8 kills) you are going to find that people can not resist responding to these posters even - even if they are obvious trolls.

I do not think for one minute that Patrick will require ID etc as he has to think of business first.

... in response to Re: Understanding non trolls - 101, posted by thesearch on Feb 21, 2002

I am not for burn em all at the stake approach.

... in response to By the way.........., posted by thesearch on Feb 21, 2002

Greg,
read this post:
http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/russian/messages/64562.html

and this one:
http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/russian/messages/64694.html

I think it's time to deal with some of these issues in a much better way and put the debate about trolls behind us.

-blm

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

...But what is RWNA?

... in response to Please forgive me my ignorance..., posted by PrincetonLion on Feb 21, 2002

.

... in response to Please forgive me my ignorance..., posted by PrincetonLion on Feb 21, 2002

Another message board for men who failed at marriage with a Russian woman. It stands for Russian Women Never Again.

... in response to Please forgive me my ignorance..., posted by PrincetonLion on Feb 21, 2002

Russian Women Never Again - a notorious Yahoo.com hate forum for those men who claimed to have been burned by RW.

I think it was combined into RWNA-TT - the TT meaning Take TWO. If you're Russian or Ukrainian, I hope you have a strong stomach because a lot of those RWNA losers have an absolute hate for Russians. It has supposedly toned down from it's original spew, but the elements are still there.

-blm

... in response to Re: Please forgive me my ignorance..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

Thank you for the information...
Yes, I am Russian man who lives in Princeton, NJ...
I am just curious about the different opinions what American people can have about us...

... in response to Thank you for the information..., posted by PrincetonLion on Feb 21, 2002

Many AM out RM down all the time thinking they are much better..  I know oit is a generisation but this is the lone thought many posts..

... in response to Thank you for the information..., posted by PrincetonLion on Feb 21, 2002

I just went to this RWNA-T2 Yahoo group... What a disappointment! Only 13 members, and last activity was in June of 2001! I expected much more... :) It is not worth to mention at all...

... in response to Oh, what a disappointment!, posted by PrincetonLion on Feb 21, 2002

groups(dot*)yahoo(dot*)com/group/RWNA-TT/

You have to create a login ID because it is an adult group.

I am not promoting this group. As far as I'm concerned, it is a hate group, but for those of you who choose to dance with the devil, here it is.

-blm

... in response to link, posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

The language must be pretty strong. You must be 18 to subscribe.

... in response to Oh, what a disappointment!, posted by PrincetonLion on Feb 21, 2002

RWNA-TT supposedly has hundreds of subscribers.

-blm

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

I agree.

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

While I do not support any false "I was scamed" stories the fact remains that some experiences are negative as we go thorugh a learning curve of dealing with the "I want out" FSU woman.  How do you tell if a person is a troll or someone that has a true story to tell and posts for teh first time on this board.  I say this as my first post here was to outline my experience of meeting a women and falling in "Luv" only to later find that she jumped on the first bus heading Up Town...  (Later to find that it was going nowhere)..  Oportiunists or scammer ...  If the story is true then I for one owuld like to read about it so I can learn from others experiences.  I am concerned that some are quick to Jump to their feet and Shout "TROLL" a bit like playing Bingo but in this case they might not bhave the correct set of numbers....  "Troll" posts are just as damaging as "TROLL ATTACKERS".  Natural Justice is based on presumed innocent until proven Guity not trial by te mob.  IMHO

... in response to How do you tell a troll from a new poste..., posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

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... in response to What is the difference to a Advertorial ..., posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

n/t

... in response to What is the difference to a Advertorial ..., posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

n/t

... in response to What in the World is an "Advertoria..., posted by Dan on Feb 21, 2002

~

... in response to How do you tell a troll from a new poste..., posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

jj,
I am not as good at spotting trolls as some here.  I have wasted my time and energy trying to help a person I thought was sincere, only to find out they were yanking my chain with lies. An unpopular opinion is one thing, telling a fabricated story in attemt to bait confrontation is another.  I have no pity for the lying bas!ards that troll this forum.  In all the time that I have read this board, I have seen 2 people called trolls that were not.  With the large amount of trolls that surface here, that is a dam good batting average.  Your objections to troll attackers is unfounded.  THERE IS NOTHING TO BE LEARNED FROM TROLLS.  PERIOD.  This forum is not a democracy, it is a monarchy and Patrick is King.  If you are so interested in what trolls have to say, go find them on another forum.
KenC

... in response to I strongly disagree, posted by KenC on Feb 21, 2002

I'm glad some people are getting it. My position is that any "newbie" who comes here with a sob story should be burned at the stake without mercy. This forum is not really the place for those kind of posts. Even if the "troll" is for real, it doesn't belong here. There are plenty of pity party forums for those yahoo trolls. This forum should be about doing things the right way and success. When the focus of attention is on troll posts, the real purpose of the board gets lost.

Calling the trolls a Troll is not feeding them, arguing with them or agreeing with them is. All of the negative stories should be removed if they are not from a firsthand reliable and verifiable source... they can't be trusted. A good example is mdante99... he kept arrogantly posting RWNA stories and continuously focused on the negative until he went spazoid and got banned.

For those who want to read the negative loser troll stories, there are plenty of pity party forums on Yahoo for that. From what BobS mentioned yesterday, it seems that RWNA-TT has started to implode from all the negativity. I guess those folks are starting to see that hell is not a fun place to stay... even for a pity party.

Just say TROLL!

-blm

... in response to Taking a stand..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

Barry,
I also do not agree that every negative poster must be a troll.  Your "ostrich" mentality will not allow you to learn from other's mistakes.  As for Mdante99, he did lend some good balancing with reality here until he went over the edge.  Sometimes I think you are going over the edge on the opposite side from him.  Ease up on the caffine Bud, you are starting to sound McCarthy-like.
KenC
p.s. (this is exactly the type of debate that DOES NOT ADD ANYTHING to this forum.  Let's get back to our regularly scheduled program, OK?)

... in response to Too extreme, posted by KenC on Feb 21, 2002

Ken, it may seem that my position is extreme, but I see the issues of scamming, visa foxes, and insincere RW/UW as being dominant on this board. It seems to swallow up and bully the other issues that are much more constructive. Think about it.

This board should be for problem solving and more objective and reliable discussions and debates on finding a RW/UW bride. I don't see that that as much here as it should be. It seems like a bunch of people want to debate the trolls and waste a lot of energy and effort posting rebuttals (some of which are very good I might add) to the troll posts only to wind up being deleted. This is a shame. That is why I'm raising a little hell about it.

What I would like to see in regards to this issue is some of the regular experienced vets, the RW/UW regulars, some of the guys wives, and even invite some RW/UW from the RWA forum to discuss these issues in a reasonable manner. It's time to address these things with people you can trust and rely on. It is also time to put the issues into a solid unified discussion and debate that any newbie can access and be able to understand the risks and pitfalls of this pursuit. Then it's time to put the issue to rest for the most part and move on to other things.

If you can see where I'm coming from on this, you can understand why I'm so harsh on these troll negative stories... and BTW, mdante99 didn't know crap. He was so full of it. All he did was repost negative stories from other boards such and RWNA. I don't consider that "good balancing with reality". It seemed to me that there was scarcely an original thought in his head except for his own brand of arrogance towards us.

This is what I'm trying to put forward. Some constructivness, equilibrium, respect, reliable discussions, and debate... without the trolls.

-blm

... in response to Taking a stand..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

This is just nonsense talk being built on an obviously even more idiotic lead post.  However; you can have you own feelings but if your position is to burn any "newbie" who comes here with a sob story without mercy, then I just do not agree with you.   This board helps everyone even with the "Trolls" around and it is a fact that we get taken all the time in this risky endeavor.  We should and probably will have both kinds of stories what ever your feelings are.  And if you flame anyone even these “newbie” posters then you should be banned but that would be up to Patrick.  So post if you want to help someone or have a point of view and it would be nice if you lay off the flaming stuff.

... in response to Taking a stand..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

Why should every newbie with a sob story be burned at the stake?  Why shouldn't we try to help other people as we ourselves would like to be helped?

May I remind you that one person whom we thought to be a troll, and wasn't, benefited from our advice is now happily married.  In addition, his wife is now posting her also.  Because we helped someone instead of sending them away, we now have two valued members of our community.

... in response to I strongly disagree, posted by KenC on Feb 21, 2002

As mentioned I also do not like it if someone fabricates a story just to light a flame...  BUT I HAVE SEEN SINCERE POSTERS ATTACKED AND CALLED "TROLL" AND DISMISSED OUTRIGHT.  Even a monarch needs to ensure that his rule of Kingdom is just.  But more inportant the subjects need to ensure that they do not rape and pilliage and villify the innocent   It can get to the point when a "TROLL BUSTER" is as bad as the TROLL...  One makes a false postr and the other a false accusation.

... in response to Re: I strongly disagree, posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

n/t

... in response to as Patrick said, shoot 'em ALL, let God ..., posted by KenC on Feb 21, 2002

Maybe Patrick should shoot all of the people that respond to the trolls along with the trolls.  I suggest that Patrick start with the person who needs to "tag" all of the trolls.

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

Allright, Barry - Relax. Take a deep breath. Count to ten. Cool down a bit. We get the picture.

Trolls are clearly a problem here and the best thing to do is simply ignore them and they'll go away. That much I agree with and no one's denying it.

But Barry I think you're starting to take things just a wee bit too far. You've really gone off the deep end with this "Troll 101" post and I think you'll find that it's going to backfire miserably and that you've shot yourself in the foot. (though not before putting it in your mouth, I might add) You're blindly insulting and attacking all the users at this board and that can only hurt yourself and turn everyone against you. And regarding all your posts in general - a significant number of them are nothing more than bitter and spiteful messages - and just as bad as those of the trolls you hate.

You're obviously very knowledgeable about the FSU, Russian history, politics and culture - more so than a lot of the rest of us. I would like to see more of your posts deal with these things and I think I speak for a lot of people at this board. Your knowledge brings added value to this board as a good source of information.

Niall

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002


An intelligent person won't try to reason with a monkey, no matter how wrong the monkey may be.