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Title: List of REAL agencys?????? Post by: SingleDad318 on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Does anyone know of any real agencys out there? Does anyone know of a list of reputable ones? Hard as it is to wade thru the fake ones it seems to be getting harder to even trust ones that "seem" reputable. Does anyone have a success story?
Title: Real Agencies Post by: BubbaGump on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to List of REAL agencys??????, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
There seems to be pretty good satisfaction with Firstdream, "European Connections" and "A Foreign Affair". One guy told me A Foreign Affair ran the best tour but they make the mistake of having a social the day before you leave. What good is that? Anastasia was not well thought of by one guy I met. He said it looked like they just asked women in off the street. Tours have advantages and disadvantages, but I wouldn't go on a tour to just meet women cold. If you take a trip on your own, try to find local agencies to deal with. They will take care of your visa, apartment and translators. Sometimes they'll have a woman cook your breakfast. A local agency gives you a fall back plan if you don't hit it off with the woman you originally went to meet. Title: BTW... Where is: Zaporozhye, Ukraine? Post by: MarkInTx on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Its on the Dneiper 36 deg long, 48 deg latitude Post by: tim360z on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to BTW... Where is: Zaporozhye, Ukraine?, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 18, 2002
Just below Dnepropetrovsk on the Dneiper River, southeastern Ukraine. Industrial city, ball bearings and all that. Title: Anyone meet a woman from there? Post by: MarkInTx on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Its on the Dneiper 36 deg long, 48 deg ..., posted by tim360z on Jan 18, 2002
I seem to be finding a bunch of them lately... I was wondering if anyone had any experience in the region? Hate to find its another "den of scammers" like some of the other locales... Title: No 'Rep' for Scammers . . . Post by: Dan on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone meet a woman from there?, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 18, 2002
Like Chernivtsy and Kharkiv. I put it more in the industrial city category like Donetsk. Both are associated with the coal-rich region of the Donbas plateau - though Zap has a deeper history. As has been noted here before, you can find scammers anywhere - but I suspect Zap will have fewer than a lot of places. If you decide to go and need some support, Olya has a friend there that has internet and speaks English. Let me know. - Dan Title: Follow the Dnieper River Southward From Kyiv Until . . . Post by: Dan on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to BTW... Where is: Zaporozhye, Ukraine?, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 18, 2002
It begins to turn to the SouthWest and you will find Zap on the Eastern side of the river. It lies about 350 miles to the SouthEast of Kyiv. - Dan Title: Re: List of REAL agencys?????? Post by: cherokee on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to List of REAL agencys??????, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
I used ukraineguide dot net without any problems and now I'm married:) Good luck! Title: I am going to talk about something else Post by: thesearch on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to List of REAL agencys??????, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
I read your profile and some impressions came to me whether correct or not so, just read what I have to say and ponder, accept or reject what you will. This was prompted after I read KenC's comments about "reading women" and then read your profile. From your profile, I sensed that you might be an idealistic and possibly a trusting man. These are good qualities but those who use people or who want to hide who they are need people like this for them to express their agenda. You know who you are, I certainly do not. Here is my concern - if you are the trusting type - you need to exercise extreme caution. There are sharks in all waters and the FSU is no different except worse in one way IMHO. Some of these ladies are the masters of deception. Yes, there are some incredible women over there and you will find in abundance that which is in short supply here in the good Ole USA. Just be careful. Title: Most American Based Agencies are "Real" Post by: MarkInTx on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to List of REAL agencys??????, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
Most American based Agencies are real... but that doesn't mean that their women are. Most are. Some are not. Even Firstdream has had a scammer. It can happen to anyone. European Connections is real. So is Anastasia. Lifetime partners. Firstdream. Scanna. I can go on and on. The reason many guys have soured on agencies is that the attarctive women on the popular sites will get hundreds of emails, and its hard to stand out in the crown then. One of the reasons to go to the FSU is because the odds of finding a good women are better there... but when she has 500 suitors, guess what? The odds just shifted away from you. That's why many advocate placing a personal ad -- you will get women responding to you who have never been on a website before, so you're the only one they are interested in. Also, some are starting to advocate just going over. The local marriage agencies have women in their albums who have never been on a web site. Title: EXCELLENT POST!!! n/t Post by: Mark H on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Most American Based Agencies are "Real" Post by: SingleDad318 on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Most American Based Agencies are "R..., posted by MarkInTx on Jan 18, 2002
Probably best to take a vacation to the city of choice then see what one can find. Title: Re: Re: Most American Based Agencies are "Real" Post by: Richard on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Most American Based Agencies are &qu..., posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
Could work that way. However, you might want to use several methods such as agencies on the web and / or a personal add. After all, you do want to maximise you chances of meeting the right person on any given trip. Title: I think this method might work best.... Post by: Ryan on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Most American Based Agencies are..., posted by Richard on Jan 18, 2002
I agree with Richard... Not saying my approach works I am still in the process of looking myself and I have been one time to the Ukraine to meet one woman. I an going with the Place and Add in the newspaper way.. Wait for a responce then write to a few threw E-mail pick myself about 8 then go to the country and meeting. All with a 6 month time frame as I hate writing for a year and so do these woman (Meet them as soon as possible) then plan B and I might just do this also is walking into agancies in Kiev and looking threw catologs etc then Pay the $15 for a date and hope I do not get professional dater. If your interested I can set you up with a guy that will place your add for real cheep like under $30 for a few different cities, however I have only used him and have not gotten any replys yet becauses it runs in a few weeks but I will post results probably next month. I just hate the whole agency method not that I tried it myself well except for writing to a few but I always get the feeling they are scammers and that I have to pay way too much money to an agency. I just do like them or do business with them over the net.. In person is a different story.... My Two cents only, Title: Not a bad approach Post by: MarkInTx on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Most American Based Agencies are &qu..., posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
One thing is that if you approach it that way: "I'm going on vacation" then you can relax a little, and you won't make a stupid and deperate move. OK... Tell ya what... I have a little time... let me give some unsolcited and free advice I'm a single dad, too. When I first started this was shortly after my second divorce. I have custody of my eight year old girl. One of the main reasons I got married the second time was so that I could have a mommie for my daughter. So, when we ended up divorced (over the kids -- nothing ever works according to plan...) I thought: "Ohmigod, I need a wife! What do I know about rasing a little girl?" That's how my search started. I am SO grateful that I didn't marry while I was in that state of: "I MUST find a wife!" That is the absolute wrong attitude to have. I see it in many men's posts. This idea that they need a wife, so they'll pick out a pretty one, go over one time, and get her. Impress everyone back home with his loveley wife. You'll hear guys say that they have this much time alloted to it, or that much money. And it's all the same: "I'm going to hurry up and be married by ________" (pick a date). I'm convinced that these are the same guys who get burned by a scammer or a runner. And end up on that other newsgroup. (RWNA) Mind you, I met a wonderful girl when I went to Russia. She was smart, and pretty, and had a body that was amazing. And she would have married me. She was not a scammer. She was sincere. And she would have married me. But it would have been a mistake for both of us. She wanted kids of her own, and at age 41, I'm not ready to do that. Even though she thought she could sacrifice that... I know that she couldn't. Eventually, it would haunt us. (And, there were other reasons as well...) Anyway, I took a year off. Cleared my head. Dated some local women. (Met a couple of great women, btw... they just weren't for me...) And I got used to being a single dad. I'm OK with it now. The panic is gone. If I spend the rest of my life single, I can handle it. I'll be OK, and my daughter will be OK. So... NOW I am looking again. And every time I go, I have that attitude: "I'm going to go somewhere new. I'm going to learn about a new culture. I'm going to have a great time. And...oh yeah... I might meet someone I fall in love with... who knows?" But, I would never go thinking I was going to meet someone for sure or the trip would be a failure. Having a trip which is a failure is NOTHING compared to having a marriage that is one. That I am going to avoid. FWIW Title: I agree and........ Post by: Ryan on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Not a bad approach, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 18, 2002
I agree with this post and I would like to add try and search in your league going for the arm candy when you are no catch yourself… I feel can really cause some problems in any culture. Ok yes this is common since to me but some guys just make me laugh, 20 years younger give it a rest… Unless you take the view as screw it go and get a hot one bring her home if she run’s, what ever go back and do it again… Nothing really wrong with that either… Oh ya the vacation thing is a must, I looked at it that way on my first time and no mater what I made the best of it and it was fun.. Ok real fun at times... But for the first time anything over 10 days it will not be fun... That is my opinion... Title: Re: Not a bad approach Post by: hockeybrain on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Not a bad approach, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 18, 2002
Great advice for anyone - not just a single dad. Title: more thoughts on agencies Post by: KenC on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to List of REAL agencys??????, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
Dad, I listed a good agency below. You have to think this thing through though. Just exactly what do you expect from an agency? A "good" agency does not guarantee success to you in any way. You could use a "good" agency and pick the wrong women to meet (for you). All an agency can do is help introduce you to women and help coordinate your trip. After that, you are on your own. No agency can be held responsible for what happens after the introduction (but many are held accountable). RW are women. Only they know their true intensions. It is up to you to sort out exactly what type of woman they are. It all boils down to this: if you have good women skills and can read women well, then you will have a better chance of making a good selection. If your skills are lacking, the percentages for error goes up significantly. No amount of money or help will ever replace your own abilities in this area. RW are not the answer for those men that have limited women skills. KenC Title: I know of this AWESOME agency........ Post by: yoe on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to List of REAL agencys??????, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
FIRSTDREAM.COM...........it is ran by a prince of a man - I have never seen him-he is a myth among men-----they call him Jack...............not to 'Bragg' but it is said that he has the key to the heart-I have heard he has been seen with an angel-some say it was CUPID himself------now again these are just myths..........but who can say? :) Joe Title: Yo(e)'s right, Jack's the Man. n/t Post by: Rags on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: I know of this AWESOME agency........ Post by: micha1 on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to I know of this AWESOME agency........, posted by yoe on Jan 18, 2002
You are right, he will be my main man, too. Because I am sure to get myself in a lot of hot water, without even trying. Everybody has to believe in something, so I do believe in Jack and that I am going to serve myself a glass of wine. Title: here's one Post by: KenC on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to List of REAL agencys??????, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 18, 2002
Dad, I had very good experience with Lifetime Partners out of Tver, Russia. They are a bit pricey on their trip charges, but they are very sincere and honest. They did everything promised and more. KenC Title: Re: here's one Post by: Oscar on January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to here's one, posted by KenC on Jan 18, 2002
Ken Yes, Lifetime Partners of Tver is an honest agency, I went there, but the age range of 95% of the girls is from 18-22! That's great if you are 28-30.. They are for the most part extremely young! My 2 cents.. |