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In case anyone has had any experience with blackseasingles dot com, I have done some research and found them to be a boiler room scam. I have been incontact with a girl(?) from there and for the most part she was answering almost all questions timely and not really missing a beat, good thing I thought, but then I got a little suspicious. I went into the website and sent the same girl another email acting like I was someone totally different from a different area.
Well I got my first letter back from her (to the false person) and it was exactley verbatim the first letter she sent to the real me, except for the suttle name change. She even went as far as remembering my son's birthday which is today and sent me a e-greeting. Well for someone who is not computer literate I thought it to be strange that she would know how to do this, let alone send it from there after the business closed at 2100, she sent it at 2230 their time. Well duh!!!! you don't need to study rocket propulsion to figure this out.
Anyway, Jack advised me this was without a doubt a scam agency and it turns out he was correct.
I am going to create a new character so she has 3 to play with this time.
Gee, I wonder what kind of e-mail I'm going to get back when I bust her at this, maybe like I got from my first scam, a letter written entirely in russian curse's, I translated it by the way and sent that scammer back the english version. LOL

sd318

... in response to BlackSeaSingles is a boiler room, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

Why waste valuable time "busting scammers"?

... in response to Pursuing a Russian wife?, posted by tfcrew on Jan 20, 2002

Scammers are as part of the territory as women who just are interested in you.

They are merely small interruptions.

Sidestep them and move on.

Identify a scammer to a blacklist site... and move on.

If she didn't fool you...chances are she isn't fooling anyone else, either. Why waste your time?

No one gives awards for finding the most scammers...

... in response to BlackSeaSingles is a boiler room, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

Form replies are common on some sites. I recieved one the other day from a girl asking me to send a photo. I did and she sent another replies asking for a photo again. If she decides to wake up, then we can correspond.

Scams first and foremost involve money. If you are paying for translations and email forwarding and the agency is writing the letters, then it is a scam. If she asks you for money, she is a likely to be a scammer. Those scammers are usually not dangerous, just an inconvenience.

I would not waste my time with them. I would also refrain from sending curses to Russians, both the insulting kind and the superstitious kind. If your scammer is mafia connected and motivated, you could have a vendetta against you.

-blm

... in response to I think you're jumping the gun., posted by BarryM on Jan 19, 2002

Ok Barry, I understand what your saying, however I asked her specifically in my first letter to her under an assumed identity if she was involved with, writing to, had any contact with anyone else. I explained to her if she had then please be honest and let me know. The only deviation to the letter was that she said that no-one else had been incontact with her and that I was the first. Keep in mind she doesn't know that I'm writing to her under two id's at this point. I'm sorry but to me that would be considered a lie wouldn't it? Maybe I'm to blonde to see the facts of a lie but if she responded honestly stating she had been incontact with someone else, and she is as dedicated to me as she says she is (you know the buzz words) then it would be a different story.

As far as the cursing thing goes, well I translated the letter verbatim and sent it back with no change in words or format. I added no spice to that cake.

sd318

... in response to Re: I think you're jumping the gun., posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

Hi sd318,

Just to be realistic here, nearly every good looking woman that you write to has probably received other letters from other guys. Depending on how popular the lady is, your letter may be just another of several per week that she receives. I don't think you should expect any lady you write to, to immediately drop all contacts with other men. Certainly not on the first letter. IMHO

Please, don't take this negatively, I mean well. But, frankly, what's your rush with her?

You might consider taking your time for a while longer while you absorb more data for the future. There is sooo much to learn about correspondence with women over there, understanding the women over there, the culture, the dangers/traps, and all the nuances.

Have you called any of these ladies yet? Verified their existence?

I personally think an exchange of one or two letters is no grounds for planning a trip yet, but that's just me.

Perhaps you really are a man of action and like to make quick decisions. All well and good, but I think more deliberation and information gathering may be in order for this time. After all, this is no small weekend trip to a neighboring city.

Good luck,

-Deckard

... in response to Re: I think you're jumping the gun., posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

are expecting outta a coupla virtual email letters.  I just do not understand your thought pattern at all.  You SHOULD expect a couple form letters to start with.  Then,  if you tell her somethings that are interesting (for her) you will proceed to know each other.  And most girls are REALLY not that interested in lettters...some get boxloads...so somehow you gotta stand out from the crowd.  Its all the same blah! blah! blah!  And like Bubbagump said,  like 5% actually meet them in person.  If you are thinkin' your precious letter and and thoughts are really like something they have never received before...you are in a total fantasy world.  Most have heard all the BS before.  So,  somehow,  to get their real interest you have to stand out.  And don't ever be so stupid as to beleive you are the only guy they are writing to....'cuz there are probably others.  Yours is just the new one that came in.  And on the dark side---there is a new little scam hatched everyday.  So,  relax and take your time,  you got alot to learn.  if you are thinkin' most girls are sittin' around without a life and nothing to do,  you are dreaming.  Your letter goes in a pile with scads of others and maybe some of it will be read...maybe.  I'm not trying to be cruel to you...but you do gotta wake up and smell the coffee.  Also,  you seem to be in a big rush and with very little experience.  I would recommend you talk to Jack at Firstdream and have him set up a plan and a strategy and a trip for you.

... in response to Re: I think you're jumping the gun., posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

Jack (Firstdream owner), recommended that we only tell the girl we are writing another woman.  Never tell them we're writing a bunch of women.  

Only about 5% of the guys are supposed to actually take a trip to meet a girl.  The Volga girl web site had a letter from a girl describing what she went through.  Only 1 man out of 30 actually came to see her.  He was also the only man to send her a gift the whole time and show her he was serious.  The odds are like that on both sides and that's partly why this process is so difficult.  I think some girls must consider me a scammer too.

... in response to Re: I think you're jumping the gun., posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

Sure, she could be a red flag, but consider this. At the beginning of the letter writing campaign, you are writing many women and she is writing many men. Very few of the men she is writing with will every decide to meet her in person if any, and if by chance she does meet some in person, it is unlikey they will go through with a proposal of marriage.

She, like you, wants to increase her odds. Remember that this is a 2 year process for most people, men and women. Just allow her the white lie for a while and see what happens. If you can get her to chat with ICQ or IM, then you may be able to get her attentions better. If she is focusing on other men, then she may not want to spend the time with you.

I wouldn't bother asking about other men she is writing. If you are the one who comes to see her, then you're likely to be #1 with her.

-blm

... in response to BlackSeaSingles is a boiler room, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

How many men have a boiler plate first letter or two that they send out?  I'd venture to say many, if not most.  How many men write to more than one lady?  I'd say most.  I would not say this constitutes a scam at all unless you're leaving out some information that would indicate so.

I plan on starting a scam reporting page here, but something like this would never pass the mustard to be included.  Why do you believe this is a scam?  Because the lady is writing to two (or more) different men or because she sent out the first letter from a boiler plate response?  You'd have to come up with something different to convince me.  Not saying it isn't a scam, only that from what you've divulged, there's nothing to indicate so.

By the way, you can post http://www.blackseasingles.com without the trickery of using "dot."  It's only URLs that have been placed on the spam list that can't be posted.

... in response to Re: BlackSeaSingles is a boiler room, posted by Patrick on Jan 19, 2002

Patrick, I have never sent out a response to a letter in the same format, i.e. verbatim, to anyone. I believe a letter deserves it's own personality and not a standardized response. The only thing I have copied is a description that I place in the ad's I place. For example: my profile here is the same as it would be on any ad I write, not in my responses.
I have never been in contact with more than 1 girl at a time, I don't like triangles, so I keep things on the straight and level that way. If it doesnt work out I start all over not say to myself "ok well I'll go to the other I have been playing the dumped one against". When I place an ad and i get 5-6 responses I take 2-3 days to respond after I have digested what the letters are about and how serious I feel the content is. The ones that I dont care for I just respond that honestly and say "Thanks for replying but at this time, I am writing to another lady and it wouldn't be fair for me to write to you if I can't give you my undivided attention".

p.s. how does one check the spam list?

sd318

... in response to Re: Re: BlackSeaSingles is a boiler room, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

I hate to tell you---but you do not have any kind of "triangle".  Unless,  its virtual?  Or in your mind???  Please,  at least spend a night and read the archives. Enuf

... in response to Re: Re: BlackSeaSingles is a boiler room, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

because the odds are something like 1000-1. If you want to improve on these odds write to more than a couple women, make some contacts and then get your butt over there and find out if there is any chemistry. Because until you go you can write all the letters you want and get all the right replies, but you won't know if its real until you meet...aloha

... in response to do you think you'll find the '1' thru th..., posted by Stan B on Jan 19, 2002

A few years ago, I wrote to this lady from Moscow for 4--6 months, photos were knock-out, her letters were even better-----e-mails at least 2-3 times a week, poetry, more photos----I made a side leg to a already planned trip to Ukraine just to see her in Moscow. She was so much different from the photos that I almost didn't recognize her. All the zeal of her letters was not there in person, neither were the looks. There was "0" chemistry between us. We had a awkward lunch together and we never saw each other again. The truth is, I wouldn't have taken her to a dog fight if I thought someone would recognize me there. All that time we were writing, I felt that she was the best prospect that I had come across----Not. I would have been very upset, if I had not had at least some backup plan in the Kiev leg of the trip. Doing it one at a time, you may not live long enough to be successful, unless you are very fortunate or are willing to "settle".

my 3 or 2cts

Lynn

... in response to Exactly, posted by Lynn on Jan 20, 2002

Lynn,
I learned long before I went to Russia not to get hooked on a woman via the Net.  There is nothing more pleasing than one's own imagination.  You are bound to be disappointed when the actual woman does not live up to the one that exsists in your own mind.
KenC

... in response to internet fantasies, posted by KenC on Jan 20, 2002

It works both ways. Who are you and what are you when you visit a foreign country and introduce yourself to someone?
Fortunately, my wife and I exceeded our imaginations and expectations. Each day is better !
Karl

... in response to internet fantasies, posted by KenC on Jan 20, 2002

Actually that was the first woman that I had met via the net and taken seriously. I quickly went back to my stance of "expect nothing, therefore anything good that comes from it is a bonus"

... in response to You got that right!!!!!, posted by Lynn on Jan 20, 2002

Lynn,
I learned my lesson here in America.  I dated a lot of women I "met" on the net.  The more experienced I became the less the internet played beyond the introduction.  I once was trapped for a weekend in Nashville with someone I knew at first sight was not for me.  Talk about uncomfortable!  I could only imagine the same scenareo in Russia.  When I "met" my wife (over the phone) I had your attitude with it all.  We became good phone buddies and when I went to meet her, I expected nothing more.  Good luck was with me and we had much more than just friendship in our future.  Of all the women I met this way, I would say that some were great gals, others were a total waste of my time, but one turned into the love of my life.
KenC
p.s. (I think the phone is waaay better than email but no where as good as in person)

... in response to good attitude, posted by KenC on Jan 20, 2002

at least you take away the time needed for calculation, that is if she is trully not serious. But I prefer the acid test of a face to face encounter and have learned the hard way to follow my gut instinct if something doesn't seem right about the situation, no matter how good outside appearances are. And I would not consider bringing someone here without spending at least a week or so with her, preferably outside her comfort zone of friends and family.

Lynn

... in response to BlackSeaSingles is a boiler room, posted by SingleDad318 on Jan 19, 2002

I don't know if your evidence is conclusive.

Just because her first reply back is a boiler-plate doesn't mean that she in insincere. It may just mean that she's popular.

If she gets hundreds of emails, she very well may have a one or two letter form letter to send back, until she sees how serious the man is.

Not saying that BlackSea Singles ISN'T a scam... just saying that this behavior doesn't actually prove it...