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It looks like a quiet, peaceful Sunday morning so I thought I would take a few minutes, as I try to do every other month or so, and try to pass on some, what I consider, helpful hints to the new guys.

The greatest percentage of guys getting scammed today is coming from agencies. Most of this scamming could be avoided if the men would do a few simple things. Never have to go thru an agency to cooresponde with a woman you have interest in. Sometimes you have to deal with an agency for the first two letters in trying to find out if she, or the agency, is real or not. Remember this, if any of these foreign agencies are real, then they will care for the well being of there client. They want there client to find a good foreign man and they will not interfere, but they will help with the process.

Your first objective needs to be to get the ladies home address. If you buy her address that is what you should get, her home address and NOT the address of the agency. In your first letter to the lady after you tell her a little about yourself and how interested you are in her, you need to tell her that you would very much like her home address so that you can write her a postal letter and send photos. Tell her you want her home address, not the address to the agency. At the same time you tell her that you have a friend in America who will translate the letter and it will be sent to her in Russian and that she can write you back in Russian as your friend will also translate the letter for you.

These ladies know about Internet cafe's. These internet cafe's are in-expensive. What you have just done in this first letter is to tell her and the agency that you don't need to go thru the agency to corresponde with her.

If the lady, or the agency, insist that you must go thru the agency then I would have great concern. Sure the agency is entitled to make some money, that's why you offer to buy her address. If they won't sell you her address then your not going to be dealing directly with her anyway.

Something you might want to ask of the lady who interest you in your first letter is her birthday and year of birth and what city she was born in. Just blend these questions in with the normal flow of the letter. There is a great chance that if you have the ladies full name and d.o.b. you can get this ladies home address. This information will cost a couple of dollars and it is available to you in there city at what we would call our city hall.

The biggest problems many of you guys make is that you fall in love with this ladies photo and you have to know her and you buy what the agency tells you in hopes that you will soon be communicating with her but the truth is if this is a scam agency there is a 90% you will never be communicating with her!

So guys, get the agencies out of the middle of you trying to corresponde with your lady!  Now many of you are going to question and say, " Well, your an agency, so I guess it is ok to go thru your agency to communicate with a woman, right?"  The answer is that is "NOT" right. I don't want guys having to go thru my agency or any agency to communicate with a lady. I will help any client with the first couple of letters to help them get started and also to make sure they are not getting scammed, but I do not want to be in the middle of a man and woman trying to corresponde with each other. A month ago a client got very offended because I no longer wanted to be in the middle. I found him a good translator, he sent the translator a $50 retainer than the next week he wanted to buy an address from my site and told me to take it from the $50 he had sent. I refused to do it, the money for the translator had nothing to do with me and I told him he would need to send me a check for $7. He got angry over this and demanded his money back from the $50 he sent the translator. I did not have the heart to tell the translator she had to give back the unused portion of the money so I sent him the balance from my own pocket. Needless to say I don't need, or want clients like this.

There are many people out there who are NOT with an agency who can translate letters and help with three way conference calls. Many of the guys who have married Russian women have wifes at home who would like to do this and are quite afforable. Look around, ask, you will find these people, but do not have to go thru an agency to corresponde with the lady you have interest in past the second letter.

Of course many who know me and of my preachngs know I say you should try to meet and corresponde with ladies who speak at least a little English. In most cases that is all she needs is a little English. Many ladies speak fairly good English and will tell you they speak only little English because they feel they do not have command of the English language, like Spyke.  Many of the ladies who interest you at the scam agencies speak some English but the agency does not let you know this.

On another note this morning we discovered another scam agency. A fine young man in Canada had been writing to this lady from the "Midea" agency in Lugansk. The man was planning a trip over soon and a few weeks ago asked me about flats and airport pick-up etc. and in the process he shared a few things with me about his lady and there correpondence. After hearing from him I told him he was being scammed. No man, three or four weeks from going to see his lady wants to be told he is being scammed so we set out to prove it.

I would like to advise any man who might be using the agency "Midea" in Lugansk that you are probably being scammed. Today I still only know of one honest agency in Lugansk, I do not believe that there are two!

Let me share with you the letter received this morning.......

Hello, Jack,
I was on the address you gave me in order to check Yana ........
This address isn't her address, but the marriage agecy called "Midea".
They used to work with some American Guy, but as I know they are ligally registrated but working in illigal way. They have half of the real girls and half of just pictures.
Real girls supposed to get 20% from the amount of money agency take from the men. But it never girls who writing letters, they even don't know what interpreters are writing about.
So I'm affraid, that girl could be placed as a "scam", she really exist, but is a part of that agency. We had no possibility to find out her real address as nobody wanted us to know it. Right now as I know they are changing their name, as too much men were complaning, and building another site. Now, Jack what should I do?
Best regards,
..........

So guys, just be alert. If you think you have real interest in a lady, make sure she is who she says she is and she lives where she told you she lives.

... in response to Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Jack on Jan 6, 2002

What is the only good agency in Lugansk and how do I find them. Thanks Jack.

Greg

... in response to Question for our good man Jack, posted by greg2 on Jan 6, 2002

And that would be Lugan-Girls

... in response to Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Jack on Jan 6, 2002

You mean there are guys who will actually take the trip before they are sure the lady even exists? And they haven't even TALKED to the lady (and her family) on the PHONE? Man, they must need somebody to help tie their shoes and cut up  their food for them! I know not all guys can speak the language, but come on, $2 or $3 a minute (so I hear, I don't need an interperter myself) for a few 3 way interperter calls is just cheap insurance for a trip that costs $3000+ and uses up all your vacation time.....not to mention the "thrill" of actually getting to know her voice.

Not that I disagree with your advice, its good advice. I just find it hard to beleive that anybody who can cross the street alone hasn't already figured it out. But apparently the client you cited hadn't figured it out, and you're right, he probably isn't alone.

If you want to send some flowers or something and you WANT to use the agency for that, OK. You gotta get them somewhere, why not let the agency make a fair profit? But it is night and day between YOU telling the agency "I'm giving you this piece of business" and the AGENCY telling you "you must do everything through US". That says RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG.

If you WANT to use the agency's services, that's fine, and don't begrudge them a fair profit, expect to pay for the convience. And don't mind paying them $10 or so for her home address. But if they won't give you full access to the lady's non-agency contact information (home address, phone, email etc.) how can you be expected to beleive that the lady even exists? Yeah, yeah, I can already hear some guys saying they could give you a phony address, but if they did, you would just think "well, that one never answered me, maybe she's now got somebody, maybe she just didn't like my letter or my picture, whatever" and you would be out the one time fee, instead of paying the "correspondance" fee over and over AND getting your hopes built up.

Not taking issuse with YOU, Jack, what say is right, what amazes me is that guys still fall for this....but they do, I see lots of agencies set up that way and they must have enough customers to keep them in business (although to tell the truth 99% of the ones I've seen set up this way deal in FSU, I've only seen one latina agency like that (and I've probably visited the web site of ALL the latina agencies, 100 times each, ha ha).

... in response to Wait a minute, Jack, posted by Michael B on Jan 6, 2002

collection of agencies based in the FSU really seem to be the sleaziest "businesses" I have ever seen.  Most appear to be a flea market or bazaar at best.  Although I am sure there are some reputable ones with at least a modicum of ethics.  Jack,  no reflection on your business,  which I have never used,  but I think your ethics and business principles are quite better than what passes for "business" in the FSU.

... in response to Wait a minute, Jack, posted by Michael B on Jan 6, 2002

First,  you do have to realize that there are so many guys worldwide that see a girls profile while surfing the web.  They have never read this board and niave would be being delicate.  I have talked with quite a few guys who send $100 a month and more to some girl in the FSU,  without ever having spoken to her.  Definitely never met "her". Just a virtual thing.  Some see some "hot babe" on the interenet freebies and after a coupla emails think they got a relationship going.  Delusional???  Sure.  They are sitting at their computer and actually thinking they have a girlfriend.  Whoa!  Now really,  if there were not all these foolish men sending dough---how long could the scammers could ply their trade.  Only 'til the dough runs out.  But instead there is a profileration of scammers and scamming agencies.  Because there is money to be made...simple economics,  if this product was not selling...they would adjust and sell another product...but this is just too too easy. This is a growth industry for scamming.

... in response to Wait a minute, Jack, posted by Michael B on Jan 6, 2002

what is wrong with the free site.  I went to junona.ru and wrote to a girl.  She wrote right back, giving me her
e-mail address.  This was two months ago, all is fine up to now.
I asked to meet in Paris in the spring, she almost agree.
Spoke to Jack about her,  (the guy that got killed).  He said all is fine.
Got another one with whom we are exchanging mail, she is from Moscow, a ballet dancer going to England for
the summer to perform.  She was in China, she came home on the 3rd - three days ago.
Another was trying to scam me, spoke to Jack,  his answer was to get out, I did, before the vacation in the sun and
the ten grands it woud have cost.
Life can be great at times.
The fun is in the journey, not the destination.

... in response to Re: Wait a minute, Jack, posted by micha1 on Jan 6, 2002

Jack's not dead, see? He just made another post. What ARE you talking about?

One from junoa.ru who gave you her email address,
One (man? you said "guy") who got killed,
A ballet dancer
One who tried to scam you

....how many people are you talking about? I'm confused...

... in response to What?, posted by Michael B on Jan 6, 2002

You are right, something when the sentiments get in the way of my use of your language,  I cause problems.
My questions was about the agencies, what about the one that are free, are they any good.
I will try to explain about the three girls.
In october, by chance fond a agency call Junona.ru,  I found a girl and wrote.  2-3 days later an answer came.
She was asking me to write to her personal e-mail address.  We are communicating 2-3 times a week since.
One day she wrote something,  half in russian - half in english,  I could not make out what had happen, had her
boyfriend been killed or had he killed someone, two years ago.  So I wrote to Jack,with the text,  he answered me,
half an hour lated, that the guy had been killed by the mafia.  All is well with that girl, we will probably meet in
Paris, end of march, beginning of april.
Secondly,  found another girl on a agency advert,  they did give her full name and her trade (work), well I did some
searching and found her.  I wrote to her, she was in China performing and only came back to Moscow last
thursday.  I had wanted to go  there, but she said no, she is going to England in three weeks and we should meet
there.  Jack again was ready to help me at a few hours, days notice, if needed.
The third one, I had found on loveme.ru, all was very well for a few months.  Suddenly she wanted to go to an
island in the sun.   Needed money for the visa, passport, to have in the bank to get the visa, the plane she had to
buy herself, money for the hotel that had to be paid in advance t get the visa.  I could not talk, write to her travel
agent.  So I went an explain it all to Jack, he suggested that I drop everything, I was getting scam in his eyes.
And he was right, having since found out that she had done this before.
On another subject, got an e-mail today from Slovakia.  A young girl, whom I met on a french chat, she wanted
to practice her french.  etc.  We are good friend since the beginning, very good friend.  She was explaining
earlier in the week that, she had not written in the past three months because she could not get her hand on a
computer, mainly at her father's house,  because of her studies and work (teaching) too far away and too much
to do.  She is a classic guitar soloist, a good one at that.  she is 22 and I am 52.  We had met for the first time in
Vienna, last fall.  I had rented a two rooms suite with a living room.  I went to met her as an uncle or a
godfather, no intention to roll in the hay,  but we did eventually, her  being so free, light, honest and beautiful.
I just had to stumble and was not proud of it.   So friday, I have offered to her to send a few hundreds to help
with life and with internet café.   Her answer today was, no.  She could and would get along.
Suddenly I understood what many have said here, women in the east are proud human being and will not ask for
anything, they stand on their own two feet and have no wish to lean against anybody.
Is it  not part of the answer, as to why some marriage will not work, once they are here.  They do have the
sensation of being unequal, just meat,  perhaps meat that is love, but meat anyway.
Should anyone care to see the e-mail from Wendy (Slovakia) just ask   - yatukekun@iquebec.com
Right now as I am writing I am very happy and proud to know Wendy Smile (pseudo), but when I do think that I
could have sent her a few grands without missing a step, to make her life easier. I really want to cry.
What a lesson for someone as me, who never believe in god, excepted when I had a toothache.
Only believe in the devil, when I wanted to nail a skirt.
Hoping I got it better this time, easier to understand.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So, are free agencies any good?

... in response to Re: What?, posted by micha1 on Jan 6, 2002

OK. Sorry, didn't realize that English wasn't your first language until I saw the Montreal in your profile. Now I understand what you are saying. Couple of the girls sound like OK possibilities, the "Pay for my travel expenses" one has scam written all over it, so Jack did OK by you.

Are free agencies any good? I guess, maybe. I've met some  latinas that way. Some good, some that didn't intrest me, but all of them real, none of them "Please send me an email at www.abc.com 'pay by the message' site"....and if I did get such a response, I just wouldn't answer it. Second or third email (if I'm still interested) I ask for a phone number and after that do most of it by phone (of course I speak Spanish)---that way even when the girl isn't at home, you at least get to talk to the sister or mother or who ever and even if the conversation is only "Is AAAAAA availble, please?"...."Sorry, she went to the store...call back in about an hour" you would be suprized to see how quick you can tell if the family likes gringos calling in general and if they like you in particular, both these pieces of knowlege can help you figure out if the girl is sincere.

... in response to Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Jack on Jan 6, 2002

What is your advice for the guy who does not want to write letters?

... in response to Re: Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Bobby Orr on Jan 6, 2002

Send his photo and bio to the ladies with a generic 'like to meet you' letter. Find out which ones have an interest in meeting the man. You don't have to have continued correspondence, many ladies also prefer to have the 'face to face meeting when you get here' as compared to several months of letter writing.  Once you have found several ladies who have interest to meet you that you feel good about, your ready for your trip and than meet these ladies during two hours meeting during the first couple of days. Plan several meetings during the day, four if you can handle it, 11am, 2pm, 5pm and 8 pm. The first two meetings are light lunchs, second two are light dinners. Never have back to back meetings at the same place. Always scheldue the meetings three hours apart as you will find 80% of these ladies are "fashionably" 10 to 15 minutes late.

After two days you may have met seven or eight ladies you had interest in and you will find that maybe you had chemistry with one of these ladies, you will be darn lucky if you had chemistry with two of them. But only a few days earlier, as you were leaving for your trip, in your heart you had great excitement and hope for each of the ladies. Chemistry is a very strange thing. You continue to look until you find it. When you find it, you will know. If you have to wonder if you found it, you did not.

Bobby Orr, the first great scoring defenseman. Seems he did not play long enough. How long did he play Bruce? Did he have a knee problem or something to force him out of the game?

... in response to Re: Re: Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Jack on Jan 6, 2002

Anyone looking for a girl in the FSU should take your letter writing and now your face to face advice.  If things fall through with my girl I will take heed.  I hope all new seekers are smart enough to follow what you say.  I just hate the long drawn out letter writing process, that is why I asked you to add this advice.  Thanks.

8 great years for Bobby.  Four knee operations back in the days when they did not know quite what they were doing.  Once he lost the jets he was never the same.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Bobby Orr on Jan 6, 2002

Bobby Orr,  the greatest hockey player that ever was.  He has to work, now for a living, because the Eagle, his agent robbed him.  He started at 18, as you said 8 great years.  Last played for Canada in a serie against the
Soviet Union.  Was traded by Boston,  (Jeremy Jacobs, the son of the Godfather of Sports,   Sports Services now
Delaware North - concessions people - peanuts and craker jack, beer etc...in different stadium.) to Chicago so
that the concessions be given to them (Delaware North).
The same Delaware North that runs baseball, who do run the Montréal Expo from the beginning, with a bunch of
front man,  the Bronfman to Loria, today.
About sport, there is at least one thing that is honest.  The spread, right.

... in response to Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Jack on Jan 6, 2002

There is such a plethora of "agencies" these days that it is bewildering.  Some pose as "tour or travel or translation agencies".  No girls,  no catalog,  no gallerys. And there is no way they wish to give out a real address.  Because then they stop making money off their "pony".  And they do not want you to possibly take their little pony away...because then they loose the revenue stream.  And don't think for a second that you are really writing with this supposed girl...it is a created illusion and the "translators" craft the letters that you receive.  If you pay close attention,  the "voice" changes within the letters you receive.  I communicated for months with a "girl" and I knew from her 4th letter that something was not right.  Now,  at first I thought perhaps she had like multiple personalities...and then I realized others were writing the letters.  If you pay attention to the words.  I did try to get around the agency...but it was a wall which I could not get through.  Even with a friend in the city trying to help...it was a solid wall.  And these "agencies" who pose as a service...control it all.  They will scam the guy and they scam the girl.  Such a sleazy web.  I could tell you more,  but I think you got the picture.

  If you can't get her real address (verified) and you can't cut the agency out of the picture...you are just wasting your time.  Because they like your money very much.  And do not buy all that bunk that the "ladies" can't afford stamps or email access.  " Because of economic crisis".  bull$shizky.  If they really wish to communicate with you...they are smart enough to figure out how to.  In a short time though,  you may want to help her with some of her mail expenses and we are talking stamp and email money.  Very small money.  To know a real person and not some painted illusion peddled to you.  With the exception of 1 girl,  the 7 girls I communicate with ALL have access to a computer and all have very good English and all love to send and receive postal mail and never ask for a nickel.  So,  dealing direct is the only way to go and I agree with Jack 100%.

... in response to Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Jack on Jan 6, 2002

In your first paragraph you write. "Never have to go thru an agency to correspond with a woman you have interest in."  Only the first few letter.  Well my experience is that the agency that translated that letter (if you get involved in that like I did with Lugan-Girl) the agency never puts your E-mail to her so she can go and send mail on her own.  This goes the same with home address etc.  They get you stuck into paying the $15 per letter or you can pay the monthly fee.  It is a Joke and I will not play that game there are many better ways to play.  Sure you can buy the address but for $20 give me a break.  Getting the agency out of the middle is much harder than you are saying.  My theory is to stay away from the agencies all together.  Use them for maybe get you an apartment or a ride from the airport etc.  Nothing else.  The rest about making sure she is real is good advice.  

Now I am just talking about what you are writing no personal attacks please.

Ryan  

... in response to Re: Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Ryan on Jan 6, 2002

Actually Ryan,  at $15 per email,  you were getting ripped-off.  But,  not too bad,  I have seen agencies on the web that ask for $30 per email.  And you can bet some poor guys blew that.  I only paid $2.50 to that scam agency,  Ukrainiantours.  But,  that was for an illusion.  So,  I don't know.  I think Jack charges $8 bucks for a bona fide address---I do not see that as unreasonable if you think you are very interested in the girl.  Really.  Now,  if you get redirected to an agency that wants like $50 for "correspondence with your lady"...thats a different deal.  Myself,  my thinking, is that if I saw a profile I really liked and I was sure it was all legit...like the real thing...I would blow $8 Bucks in a heartbeat.  Now,  for my big $8 bucks I do stand the chance the the girl is not interested in me and...thats life.  Pay a little on the front end for a genuine address...I don't find that too extreme.  Actually,  its cheap.  You can pay a little now...or alot later.  Your choice.  Right now,  my dance card is a little full...but if I saw a girl that interested me on Jack's site---I'd plunk down $8 big bucks in a second.  Actually,  there is one...hhhmmmm.  Got no time.

... in response to You can pay now...or pay monthly, posted by tim360z on Jan 6, 2002

But really I think it's more then $8 if you send a picture and such.  Buy yes you can go to his site but then you might get redirected to Lugan-girl if that happens...  Good luck to you..... (Lugansk the den of scammers... Quote from someone I once did business with....)

Ryan

... in response to Re: You can pay now...or pay monthly, posted by Ryan on Jan 6, 2002

I think you should really give Lugansk a break.  There are good people who live there.  Really.  Just because you had a bad experience there is no reason to bash the whole city and its people.  I have a friend who is on his way to there right now at this very minute with his wife...she is from Lugansk and most of the vets know him.  There are scammers in Lugansk ever since the mafia discovered it is a great place for them to operate in.  And they like your money.  So they set up all these scam agencies for all the suckers...all the men who want to marry an RW/UW.  Biz is good.  Its easy pickings.  Really easy money.  Like you,  blowin' $15 per email.  They know what you want and they rent you an illusion.  Like sellin' candy to a baby.  And its clean work...no wetwork involved.  But,  most people in Lugansk are not so involved in it...they know of it or have heard of it,  but they are not involved.  They live their everyday life.  And all these scam agencies would not even exist if only....there weren't so many suckers out there to string along.  Like sellin' drugs to an addict.  Now,  if I get scammed by a girl from Akron Ohio...should I be thinkin' that all the people of Akron are in on the scam.  C'mon.  Of course they are not.

... in response to Lugansk???, posted by tim360z on Jan 6, 2002

Lugansk is cool I plan on going back.  I guess I wrote that last comment wrong.

... in response to You can pay now...or pay monthly, posted by tim360z on Jan 6, 2002

Agency is enough in itself to make these agencies big money...  Then they get you with the services that you can usally find for cheaper with a little extra work.

... in response to Re: Corresponding thru agencies., posted by Ryan on Jan 6, 2002

and more expensive ($$$) than it should be...  Stay away from them...