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Hi Guys and Ladies:

I am a recent reader of this list. I note that Jack seems to be an ethical and honorable source of information about the best way to meet a RW or UKW. Does the advert in the Russian and UK papers really work? I'm somewhat terrified of the idea of planting my face in a paper, only to have unknowns send me letters. I have been comfortable buying a few addresses, and so far, have some nice correspondences going. But really, guys, what seems to work?

I have two goals for 2002. To get married, and to find out why new shoes squeak. The sqeaky shoe part may always be a mystery, but I am serious about connecting with someone, and will invest the time an money (properly) this year to do it. I'll accept any advice that doesn't mention gerbils. :)

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Ads will get you an overwhelming reponse from women that you have absolutly no interest in and I think a lot of the good looking women will still be scammers.  I think it's better to decide what you want and search websites for that type of woman.  I got 385 responses and maybe 15 were worth writing to.  

I hope you're not messing with gerbils young man.  Next thing you know, you'll have flames coming out of your back side. And it all starts with that first gerbil.  

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

I would highly recommend placing a personal ad in some periodicals.  I used this method through Jack and I got quite a few really good responses.

As I have read my good friend (Rags) post below I should agree that it may not be such a hot idea to put yourself into such a time constraint but on the other hand I myself had such goals like you when I started. It took me an extra year of searching and I thought that I was lucky on this last trip, so who knows when you will meet the right one.  Maybe you will be the one to hit the fabled "Hole in One"  or you might get lucky with one of the first few ladies you meet.  No one can say.

It is just my recommendation that placing an ad overseas is probably the most productive way to meet ladies who have a particular interest in YOU.

Nuff said.  

Good luck, Jim

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Hi Chip,
send me your email and I'll give you some advice!
psfoote@hotmail.com
Merry Christmas!

Ps. I promise no gerbil stories!

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Jack has great advice about many issues on this board.  It has taken him a few years to earn the peoples trust on this board.  (If you are not with him you can get ripped up around here)  I am not knocking Jack’s ways as I have not tried them myself so I cannot really say.  But in my view he plays the numbers game write as many woman as possible that will cut down to 50% etc. etc. you will end up with a few women then when you get to the country you will have this much time with this on and that much time with the other sooner or later you might find that one true love.  Then your finished, go thru the paper work and you’re a happy man.  But are you?  Have you really learned about the culture?  Have you really spend enough time in the country and with the woman’s family to know what she likes and her ways?  If your goal is one year then yes get your wallet out and go with the Jack method.  After you find your one then try and take my advice and just keep visiting this one woman in her own country to learn as much about everything as you can.  You’re increasing you odds to success and not getting a divorce in the first your.  

So anyway why did you get a divorce from your American woman?

... in response to Re: Finding the One, posted by Ryan on Dec 24, 2002

Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, you really do me a great disfavor and in-justice when you paraphrase and misrepresent my feelings and thoughts. I wish you would refrain from future misrepresentations.

From you Ryan “If your goal is one year then get your wallet out and go with the Jack method”.

Young Ryan, Jacks method was he looked for five years (NOT ONE YEAR thank you) before he found his dreambride. In those five years, and the three years after finding his dreambride, he learned more about the class and culture of these fine people than you have even come closed to learning at this time in your young, in-experienced career. I wish all my clients would take the time to learn more about these fine women and people. My recommended way would be to do just that Ryan. I tell men that they must take there time, this is not something you can rush and with your above statement you are doing me a great discredit in referring that I encourage or recommend a one year approach.

And don’t you, with your 10 days in Ukraine expertise, tell me about the class and culture of these wonderful people, and don’t you tell ME how these people live. I have never, and would never, spend a micky mouse 10 days on any trip to the FSU, and why, because you can’t learn enough, can't do enough, in 10 days Ryan. He!l, with 10 days you barely had time to take your shoes off before it was time to go back home! And how many families did you live with during your 10 days Ryan?  Don’t tell me about these wonderful people and the conditions they live under when you only visited ONE family! My god Ryan, until you have lived with at least seven or eight different family’s how can you even make comparisons and have a true understanding as to how these people live? How can you know so much about how so many of the family’s live from you living with ONE family for nine days?

Further more young Ryan please do not misrepresent my way of doing things as you have in your message above. I will never recommend a client to go and visit “a few ladies” as you have stated my method to be. I think a man needs to meet a LOT of ladies in a short period of time and then spend his remaining time, usually at least 7 or 8 days in that city, with the one or two ladies whom there was really good chemistry with. I do however NOT recommend clients to go and spend 10 days with one lady that they have never met, as so many times the lady will not have interest in the man. I think you could be a good person to ask about this. I do not want my clients wasting there time with ladies who have no interest in them. Once a client feels or knows that there is no mutual chemistry, I want him moving on, meeting the other ladies. What a complete waste of a client’s time to spend nine days in a city after finding out the one lady he went to see has no interest in him. At least to your credit, since you had no back-up plans, no second lady to see, at least you got out and meet other people and you got to know this one family pretty well (what else was there for you to do?). Considering the sum you sent them, four years wages, they should have treated you like a king!

... in response to Can you say...."BULL SH!T" !!, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

Yes Jack A..  I know you have been waiting for the last few days to let loose on me now you had your chance ay…  It's interesting how more than likely you started this post to draw me into this little play of yours.  Ok Jack so now you defend your numbers method I wonder if the women on your site or women posted from other agencies that are on your site, know how you try and exploit them for your means.  But it's all part of the game right?  Once again I am not presenting myself as a know it all but you like to take my words for that because they go against you and how you make your living.  So Old Man your statement "I will never recommend a client to go and visit "a few ladies" as you have stated my method to be."  No you want them to purchase and correspond with way more than a few, so many that you coach your clients on how to handle the subject of telling the woman that "I'm only here to see you honey."  Again I wonder if your harem knows what hand is washing what.  Enough said you had your fun.
Ryan

... in response to Re: Can you say...."BULL SH!T"..., posted by Ryan on Dec 24, 2002

For what it is worth, my two cents.

I have only been on this list for a short time, but I have observed a number of very positive comments from people regarding Jack. I certainly don't know Jack, and have not used his service, but he does seem to be an honest lamp in an otherwise dusky environment. In my new search in the FSU, I see that there are literally hundreds of sites that offer contacts with women from the FSU, but only a few that people seem to agree are worth investing in. My sense is that Jack's may be one of them.

So, to avoid further infighting, I just wanted Jack to know that to an intelligent observer, some of the flaming by others, like Ryan, is easily filtered out. It's really not necessary for anyone on the list to argue, as the reader and observer can usually quickly discern who's a goof, and who's not. I always avoided a barfight, not because I couldn't fight, but because even the winner walks away with a black eye or loose tooth. It's never worth it.

... in response to Re: Can you say...."BULL SH!T"..., posted by Ryan on Dec 24, 2002

Ryan A.., if your going to try and take shots at me, please boy, come with more than a BB gun!

First though Ryan, you must get some ammunition! And as I live in a glass house and it won’t take much to shatter some glass, your going to have to use something more than BB’s! Your going to have to get some real ammunition Ryan!

Now Ryan, I expect if you are going to make some accusations than you will be able to explain yourself. I won’t even bother to ask you for proof because there is none for you to gather, but to give your punk @ss a chance to salvage some type respect, I’ll just ask you to explain and offer your perceived knowledge to make such a statement as “ I wonder if the women on your site know how you try and exploit them for your means.”  Please explain for all, please tell these ladies and me, how I exploit them for my own means. Please Ryan, explain, if you don’t it will only lead to what everyone is beginning to perceive about you!

Ryan, I expect that, as usual, you are nothing but more hot air talk, talk, talk.  Big talk with no substance. Big talk from a punk wannabe!  And what do you wannabe Ryan, you wannabe someone whose is thought of as being a knowledgeable, respected person who has been to the FSU and has learned a great deal about his experiences and about Russian women. The truth is, you know NOTHING or Russian women!

Ryan, we can all say this about you, you can certainly give advice to all future newbies, because anyone around here for at least a month knows you are a laugh, but to future newbies you can tell guys how NOT TO DO IT! You are an expert on how not to do it. And I seriously doubt if you will ever become an expert on “How to do it”!

Ok Ryan, while you are trying to come up with an answer for the first question I asked you, let me ask you another question, which again will really show most of us what we already knew, how really stupid you really are!  You have claimed in your previous message, that I coach clients on how to handle the subject of telling woman that “I am only here to see you honey”.   Ryan, do you just make up statements?  Do you hope that you can make such frivolous, hoping to damage statements without having any knowledge of what you say?  Ryan, EVERY man on this board who has ever asked me how to handle such a question when asked will know I have always said that you admit to any lady who ask you such,  “you admit that you are seeing another woman”. Do not lie to these ladies, Ryan, I ask this of all men, admit that you are seeing another lady!

This is quite contradictory to what your claiming Ryan. One of us does not know what he is talking about. Any bets on who it is Ryan?

No Ryan, I think I have not had enough fun with you. The more you will write, the more fun I will have with you. The more you write, the more everyone see’s what a stupid @ss you really are.

Ok, Ryan, load’em boy. Remember, I live in a glass house, won’t take much to crack it!  Better find some ammunition Ryan, you’re going to have to, because you sure aren’t going to with your existing perceived knowledge!  

... in response to Yep, you can say some BULL SH!T Ryan!, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

the fact that Jack's advice is to tell the ladies that you are seeing another women.  I can dig through Jack's old e-mails he has sent me since 2000.  That WAS his advice to me and I have the e-mail to back it up!  BTW, if Jack facilitates any of his ladies with a happy marriage to a foriegn man, I can hardly see how that is using them?  Jack's services are actually quite reasonable and much of what he offers is FREE.  So I don't get it Ryan, what's your beef here?

... in response to Yep, you can say some BULL SH!T Ryan!, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

....Ever seen that show?    Jack vrs Ryan!

lol...Hey Jack, stop beating around the bush with this kid and tell us how ya really feel! :-)

... in response to Celebrity DeathMatch!....., posted by LP on Dec 24, 2002

I had wrote a response to boy blunder and before posting had read a few of the comments. Maybe Chipshot is right, just let Revolting Ryan off the hook and not reply back. After all it is Christmas Eve. I read what Lynn, one of the all time great P-L vets, says and I think that summerizes what most think about Ridicules Ryan and I guess I should let it lie, I mean that would be the mature thing to do, and after all it is Christmas Eve, but this is like Ali versus Donald Duck, quack, quack, quack (which is what Ryan does).

Then I read what LP had to say. Hummphh, he holds his own against ole Yoe and ole Yoe is pretty good. Ho, Ho, Ho Runt Ryan, let the studious discussion continue,.....
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Well Ryan, I have certainly given you the opportunity to debate my claims. I say that everything you have stated in this message is inaccurate, just as almost everything you say is! You don’t come back and offer any proof or reasoning’s for your absurd claims. Of course I know you can’t come up with any proof, but I was hoping you could come up with something to validate your preposterous statements. But no, you are caught dumb founded again. More hot air talk and no substance to support your personal attack.

Let my success loser boy be your inspiration that even you might be able to find a Russian bride, I think it will depend on how much money you send her though. So what is your excuse for having to run to another country to find a wife?

Now Private Ryan, you say I must have something to hide to defend my vast experience. Loser boy, I live in a glass house remember surely you can dig up some dirt. Can’t you come up with anything to prove your idiot claims?

Unlike most contributors to this board, the more you write, the more obvious just how stupid you really are. I mean, there is no other explanation for the things you do and say, it can only be pure stupidity.

My Russian bride is sitting next to me now Ryan. She wanted to see your photo so I showed her. After she stopped laughing she made a bet with me that you won’t find a smart, sincere woman, but that you will find a scammer woman. I had to tell her you already have!

... in response to hummphh, should I stop, or continue, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

Jackatives.........I have never and I mean never met anyone who had so many explicatory terms..........absolutely amazing.
Joe

... in response to hummphh, should I stop, or continue, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

Yes time and time again you have proved my point of you possessing the very character of people that run agencies.  You hide behind your insults and attacks like a shield to protect your shady business practices.  The way that you rape your clients with your unnecessary service to those who don't know any better.  Sure they feel like that are getting a deal but they really don't know any better do they?

Oh Jack I could spend my time proving my points about how people like you exploit other for personal gain.  I plan to do just that in the near future, but today I am just storing my "Ammo" as you would say.

You proved your point to me on a personal level how you lie and deceive.  As you yourself pointed out to me in past E-mails.  "Ryan you are unlike many men that use my service,"  "You can virtually have your pick of many of the women in the Ukraine with your looks."  But today you chose to turn that around and use it as an attack.  

In past posts I never knocked you and your business.  I have spoken well of you many times, I even have my comments posted on your web site.  You know when you E-mailed and asked me to promote your services.  Today I chose to cross your views and I got what I wanted to see, your true colors as to the character of people that run agencies.  Thank You…

... in response to True Colors, posted by Ryan on Dec 25, 2002

I've only been there three times.  I used Jack once, another agency on another trip and one I did totally myself.  And I got to tell you dude, the best trip was the one Jack was involved with!  Why?  It ran like a swiss watch.  It was fun, the people he employs are of high quality, great apartment, great location, sincere ladies and more.  Now of course anyone can do a trip themselves.  It's a no brainer.  But what happens when a problem arises?  Like you can't get a return train or bus ticket because they're all sold out due to a soccer match and your clear on the other side of Ukraine.  A mis-communication occurs between you and your lady and she throws you out on the street with no apartment lined up?  These are the things that an Agency owner can assist you with.  Does it cost, of course it does.  What ya expecting, freebies?  Come on dude, chill out and enjoy the scenery, not everyone is, will, or has done it your way or Jack's way.  But when it comes to experience, I'd bank on Jack's advice over yours.

... in response to True Colors, posted by Ryan on Dec 25, 2002

There is an old saying that applies here, Stupid is as Stupid does!

Reverend Ryan I am glad to have proved your point, and all I ask you is to prove your accusations?  

Do people who run agencies all have the same character? Interesting, Rebellious Ryan, can you tell me more about my character and those of agency owners? Would be very interesting hearing your thoughts on this.

Ruckster Ryan I really am not hiding behind anything. You, everyone knows where I am. My address, phone number and e-mail are published to the world. I have met a great many people and would have NO problem meeting you. Again, your implications I hide from my insults and attacks are unfounded. Your announcement that I have some type of shield to protect shady business practices comes as a great shock to me!  I certainly hope you will be able to prove such a libel statement. I hope you have proof of just ONE client who was raped with unnecessary services. Such a slanderous statement would certainly warrant some proof, wouldn't you think Judge Ryan?

Yes, Rugly Ryan, I have to admit I did lie to you when I told you were a handsome man. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time I will tell what I consider a little white lie to not hurt someone's feeling. But I figure now that your making all these accusations about me and a shady business, I don't need to worry about your feelings anymore!! The truth of the matter is Ryan, you are one ugly dude. I'm sorry to be so blunt about it but you really should know this. And I'm not sure, unless you continue the practice of trying to buy her, that you will get a Russian woman.

Today you did not chose to cross my views, not at all, today you made SEVERAL erroneous and slanderous statements about me and my business. I, in defense of my honor and ethics, question you as to your defamatory statements. Yea, gotta tell you this dumb @ss Ryan, I certainly do disagree with several of your views come to think about it!

You think you are smart enough to go about this pursuit with no ones help and you are the best example of why many people seek the help of others. I got news for you Private Ryan, you'se in trouble boy!  Most people will gladly pay $50 just to guarantee themselves they will never have a trip like yours!

Try to remember those immortal words, directed to you, spoken by Moe, or maybe it was Larry,  Stupid is as Stupid does!

... in response to Immortal words of....Larry,... or was it..., posted by Jack on Dec 25, 2002

Jack reminds me of an old signfield episode where the character Elaine was going out with this man that did T.V. commercials for some product where he wore this kings crown and walked around calling himself the Whiz..  If you have not seen the show picture a Majorette with that tall hat leading a marching band onto the football field at halftime.  The man is marching all leaned back keeping the rhythm with a baton.  Now picture him saying..  "I am the Whizzzz,"  "I'm the Whiz..  I'm the Whizzzzz…. (With a goofy voice).  He comes over as quite the egotistical man.  Well Jack emulates this man exactly with his ego.  Jack…  "I am the whizzz.."  LOL   Jack has once again taught me a lesson this one if more of an answer to why men go to the FSU to find a women.  Well in Jacks case he uses it to feed his ego.  He has more than likely been a one probably two time looser in marriage so he went over to the FSU to get himself a bride that simply wanted a better life; she's not necessarily in love with Jack.   Just wanted a better life.  She probably deals with his ego quite well by feeding it then leaving the room to chuckle to herself on the way out.

So I get this E-mail yesterday from this Jack A..  he once again has to defend his huge ego by telling me what a big man he is.   You know trying to convince me that he is just helping everyone because he just has this big heart or something.  LOL  He writes; "I make my living, by receiving my paycheck from "my" telephone company in Dallas.  Then his ego just carries him into the next paragraph "Ryan you can't go toe to toe with me, very few people can in this industry."  This mans character is textbook.

"He is the Whizzzz….."

... in response to More Proof...., posted by Ryan on Dec 26, 2002

...with being proud of your accomplishments? Espeacily if it took lots of hard work? Success breeds self confidence, and self confidence is a good thing, me boy. Sure, one should temper it somewhat, but there is nothing wrong with it otherwise.

I dunno how Jack "acts" in person, but my experience with him is that he's always been willing to help and has never asked a dime from me.

When I circumvented his agency and worked directly with one of his representatives in Russia, it was no problem for him. I got the impression his only concern was that I had a good trip, not picking my pocket in any way.

Give it up Sport, you lost.

... in response to True Colors, posted by Ryan on Dec 25, 2002

Ryan,
you say, "In past posts I never knocked you and your business".  Are you too stoned or just too stupid to remember when you called all agency owners pimps?  Or called Jack an old man or when you called him a liar.  A guy that has done as dismal as you have in the FSU, should shut his mouth and listen.  You are in no position to guide anyone any where.
KenC

... in response to are you on crack?, posted by KenC on Dec 25, 2002

Look Medicare Men, aka part of Jacks Gerital crew. Just take your Viagra and shut up... Get your nose out of Jack's A..  

... in response to Re: are you on crack?, posted by Ryan on Dec 26, 2002

"It's just not fair, all the grown-ups are picking me"

An adjustment of attitude on your part would render more positive response to your posts, that is if you loose the schnot-nose know-it-all posture and realize you can learn more by paying attention that gurgling out your professed expertise that you possess after one trip and having played financier to people who were obviously using you after they realized that you were just a "baby in the woods" without a clue. The sad part is that I don't think you have realized yet that you have been "had".

... in response to hummphh, should I stop, or continue, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

...I was kidding Jack, I was implying that you were *not* holding back before. Let'im go, he's lost already.

As you said, it's Christmas Eve. lol.."Private Ryan", thats a panic.

Btw, Yoey is a one hand behind my back affair. :-)

... in response to Yep, you can say some BULL SH!T Ryan!, posted by Jack on Dec 24, 2002

Shouldn't you be with you lovely wife or something Jack?  Now lets everyone look at his writing and see his true colors as man that is going to show everyone the way…  It is obvious to me that you have something to hide with all your adamant desire to defend your vast experience and with your personal attacks.  Jack you are a child in an old mans body.  I feel this is more in line with why you had to run to another country to find a woman.  I feel sorry for anyone that does business with a man of your character.  Give Jack money just don't get on the wrong side of him, don't have any views that cross his.
Grow up Jack…  Or well you're probably past that by now.  

Lies "admit that you are seeing another lady" but yes you know the answer but you say she is the one you really want to be with …  It is all a big game to you Jack… A game where you use woman to your advantage to make your living

... in response to Your a Joke Jack, posted by Ryan on Dec 24, 2002

I'm sorry dude, but I don't see your beef here.  What do you do for a living?  I'm sure it's providing a service (whether labor or knowledge) to your employer or someone.  Does that make you using them?  Or them using you?  I mean after all, aren't you recieving compensation?  I gues I could sit here and say how you use them only for compensation.  Geez, take Lynn's advice below.

... in response to Your a Joke Jack, posted by Ryan on Dec 24, 2002

Nothing worse than a know-it-all that isn't even dry behind the ears spouting off gibberish. Get a grip, shut up while most everyone just thinks ................Oh, what the heck, go ahead and remove all doubt.

... in response to Just take your spanking and be quiet., posted by Lynn on Dec 24, 2002

the entertainment value of this board!  Or maybe I need to make another trip soon!  LOL

... in response to Ya really got to love, posted by DE on Dec 24, 2002

Agreed. It's been a whole year nearly for me and looks like late April before I'll have the time to go back. Too many irons in the fire. New Years "01" in Ukraine was a blast.

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Thanks for the kind words DE and Rags. Chipshot, what Rags said is very true, you can't put a time limit deadline on this or you are headed for disaster. You take your time and choose wisely. Maybe you will met your dream bride quickly and there are many things you can do to help improve your chances.

And as LP mentioned, when you run a personal ad, you will be surprised to see that it produces results for years as many agency owners in Russia and Ukraine take your information and add it to there agency.

There are many different ways to promote yourself and to find good ladies. And there are some things you can do to that will enhance your chances of being scammed. I know that my thoughts differ from others on here but in my opinion you should be very weary of such sites as Absolute Agency, Kiss.com and American Singles as they have probably more scammers than sincere women BUT they will have some sincere women, you just have to figure out who is good and who is bad. Many of these women are placed on these site's by scam agency's.

And you might want to check with Ryan, he has some unique perspectives.

... in response to Re: Finding the One, posted by Jack on Dec 23, 2002

Thanks, Jack. It is good of you to take the time to respond.

I should mention that my situation might be a little different. I'm divorced, and raising my two young children on my own. My kids live with me 100 percent of the time. So, my focus has been on women of Russia and Ukraine who might be in the same boat as me: a good loving parent, looking to partner with the same. I'm looking for a true partnership, and not in a rush to find a Mom for my kids. So, while there are many single young hotties out there [:)], I'm really looking for a woman with a young child, too, so we can raise our kids happily together. There seems to be a few in the FSU. She can be a hottie, too, by the way.

... in response to Re: Re: Finding the One, by Jack, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Chip,

Just to add my thoughts.

I was in a very similar situation to you. I was a recently divorced single dad, who felt I needed a woman in my daughter's life.

Let me tell you from experience, there is one thing worse than no mother for your children... and that is the wrong mother.

My insecurities and "timeline" led me to marry a woman I shouldn't have. (An AW, btw...) Of all of the regrets in my life, that is one of the greatest because I put my daughter through a second divorce needlessly.

Finding the right one is a schedule that you cannot control.

Take your time.

Enjoy the journey.

No timetable...

Or you may regret it...

FWIW

... in response to Re: Re: Finding the One, by Jack, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

If I were you I would look at Lifetimepartners.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Finding the One, by Jack, posted by hockeybrain on Dec 24, 2002

What is the website for this agency?
Thanks

... in response to Lifetimepartners?, posted by EARL on Dec 24, 2002

Earl,
www.lifetimepartners.com.
KenC

... in response to Re: Re: Finding the One, by Jack, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

I like your attitude about your search.  When I read that you had children and have been divorced then read that you were looking for the same I could see that you were more unique than most.  As you might know you should be prepared for quite a challenge in finding your love and getting her and her child children over into the states.  It will not be an inexpensive endeavor and the paperwork will be heavy.  The important thing is that you know yourself.  Yes I agree with Jack in your case the Kiss.com and American singles sites would not really in your league.   In my view you should concentrate on two things placing an add in a Ukraine/Russian news paper and getting over the country as soon as possible to learn about the culture and visit with the girls your currently corresponding with.  If you have a hard time finding time to travel then you’re putting yourself in an even more disadvantage.  The newspaper adds should only cost you about $28 at most that is for the paper in Kiev and in Lugansk Ukraine other papers just E-mail me and I might be able to help.  You should think about: The expense, and the time you will need a lot of it.

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

New shoes squeak because the two or three layers of leather that make up the sole and welt have a slick finish on one side that alternately grabs a slips (very quickly) causing a high frequency noise or grating. Once broken in, the layers of the leather stretch and conform so that this slipping does not occur.

There, is one of your goals accomplished so be satisfied.

Do not fall into the mindset of a timetable by which to fall in love (much less get married). You are dooming yourself for failure in the long run. There are too many variables to deal with when women (and/or LOVE) is involved to try to make this a science. I will not say that this cannot happen next year but I hope that you are joking about this being a definite goal/timeline.

That being said, my ad (placed by Jack) got much better replies than I ever got from writing letters. As it turned out, this wasn't the way that I met my fiancee but I did get some very good replies from some very fine ladies (who were not receiving tons of letters from other guys). The big plus is that you are assured that the ladies who reply are interested in you (for whatever reason :).

You are right to be cautious. You are putting yourself out there as scammer bait (and I did get some bites with my ad) however you approach this persuit. All the more reason to take your time and be sure of intentions.

I do wish you good luck and I can tell you that it is worth all the hassles and hurdles.

... in response to Re: Finding the One, posted by Rags on Dec 23, 2002

Thanks, Rags. Congrats on your engagement. This list truly has some interesting, helpful, and successful men. I was very reluctant at first to post here, but i'm glad i did.

We now have two shoe squeak theories. :)

Jack seems to be the go to guy. I may have to buy him a cup of coffee one of these days. :) Is his site the one in Tver? Where's Tver? Should I visit any Russian city that has only one vowel in it? Even Ufa has two vowels. :)  Was there a Russian shortage of vowels when they named Tver?

... in response to Re: Re: Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

Chip,
Tver is located 90 miles NW of Moscow.  There is a fine agency, Lifetime Partners, located there.  They are a honest and sincere organization.  Some of their prices (like for flats) are a little higher than they should be, but they also offer some services (free unlimited email) that others do not.  This agency will also take your photo and profile and put them into their books in the office.  I know that many of their female clients check for new profiles on a regular basis.  Lifetime Partners also have an office near San Fransisco.

Tver is a city that isn't small (pop 500K), has a lot of Moscow's influences without the "big city" hard edges.  There is a major university located in Tver, so many young women are in the area.  For many reasons, there seems to be a great number more women than men.
KenC

... in response to Re: Re: Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

That must be why they kiss so good!

Firstdream dot com is just a little south of Big D. I don't know, there might be a Tver, Texas.

IMHO, look in Ukraine. There seems to be more successful searches ending there lately.

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

....contacts I've ever made were with a cheap add placed two years ago. I've never bought a single address.

I continued to get letters from that ad for over a year because agenices picked it up and furnished it to their female clients.

Btw, new shoes squeak because they're dry. The best way to solve this problem is to lube 'em with a little gerbil oil.

... in response to The best...., posted by LP on Dec 23, 2002

is kinda like milking a cow or choking a chicken-maybe it is like spanking a monkey-how ever it is done the results I am sure are the same-you wind up with a healthy serving of lube juice..........there is my sick Christmas 2 cents.
Joe the LP look a like doll

... in response to go ahead LP tell the man how to oil a ge..., posted by yoe on Dec 24, 2002

asdf

... in response to go ahead LP tell the man how to oil a ge..., posted by yoe on Dec 24, 2002

If milking a cow, chocking a chicken or spanking the monkey is all you can think of at this hour, you need to spend more time with your wife and less on this board :)))

... in response to I think ......, posted by DE on Dec 24, 2002

I think

... in response to The best...., posted by LP on Dec 23, 2002

Do you place the gerbil in the shoe, or can you buy oil for gerbils at a pet store? I've never had to oil a gerbil before, so I'm not sure where to find gerbil oil. I have oiled a cather's mitt; is it the same principle? :))

Seriously, how does one find the papers to place ads in? I ended in a preposition...Moscow Times? SPTimes? The Tver Tribune? The Odessa Olive?

Also, will agencies in the medium sized cities take you r photo via e-mail, and your info, and seek out ladies who might be interested. I saw an agency in Rostov, I think, which seemed small enough that I thought they'd be happy to get photo/letter info directly, and then rent apartments, translators, etc. What do you think?

... in response to Re: The best...., posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

n/t

... in response to Re: The best...., posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

....collect some duct tape, a blender and a gerbil, then...

No wait, is that right? I always mix up shoe oiling and the procedures for when you're *real* lonely, because they both involve gerbils. I'll check my notes and get back to ya.

I used "another" agency when I began and then went straight to doing it on my own via ICQ and email because I wanted to limit it to only women who spoke English and have Internet access. However, I still maintain the personal ad is one of the best ways to get started. I could tell you this agency's name (run by a very nice R/W in South Africa of all places), but I'm indebted to Jack for his occasional help, genuine interest in solving his clients problems, and the quality of the people he employs.

You could do much worse than to deal with him and my suggestion is to do so. Besides, finding these girls is kinda the easy part, there ain't no shortage of them. Seperating the wheat from the chaff is the challenge. Listen to Jack and the others here, keep an open mind, *do not* set a time limit, and above all else don't allow yourself to get too caught up in the whole thing.

lol, And dont expect a "hole in one", Chipshot. Just stay at it and be patient. Also, try to make yourself stand out from the rest somehow.

Rememeber, the squeaky shoe gets the grease. Or sumthin like that....

Good luck to ya.

... in response to Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

I think you're on the right track by going with Jack.  He can teach you more in one trip then anyone I know.  My advice is if this is your first trip, stick with him as he has all the connections necessary to make your trip come together like a swiss watch.  Now honestly, you got to get this idea out of your head that you ARE going to get married next year.  NO!  You are going to try and find a EE women next year that meets the crieteria which you have decided upon in regards to what you are looking for in a wife.  You will get married ONLY if you meet the RIGHT one, otherwise you will have an enjoyable trip and you will continue to pursue this endeavor until you find the RIGHT one!  That should be your goal!  FWIW

... in response to Re: Finding the One, posted by DE on Dec 23, 2002

I appreciate this advice. I spoke in definitive terms, simply because I've often felt that when I set my mind ot a task, I tend to be more focused, and good things tend to happen. Just tonight, I came across a site that appears reputable, wherein a fairly sophisticated, well educated man talked about spending five years in pursuit of a wife. A photo depicts him, alongside a happy, attractive woman, in his home. He followed the advice you're giving, which is to be thoughtful and methodical about the search.

Again, any advice on the best way to go. Ads in papers? Certain sites, such as AFA, or angelika network? I'm still confused about how to conduct the search.

Thanks for not mentioning gerbils. :)

... in response to Re: Re: Finding the One, posted by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2002

There are many ways to do this.  Everyone that has done this on the board will have an opinion.  Like most things in life, it comes down to each his own.  FWIW here is my two cents in a nut shell:

First, think of this as a long term endeavor

Second, ensure that you have the appropriate capitalization to do it correctly.  Although you can typically do the trips reasonably around $3000 (some say $1000 but I think that's not sufficient for your first experience).  The longer you stay, the more cities you visit and if you attend socials, these will all add more.  For your first trip, plan on $4500!  Better to have to much, then not enough.  But figure that this whole thing may cost upwards to $13,000+ before you actually find the right one (then it costs more :)).

Personally, I'd plan on about three weeks minimum for a first trip but I'm sure two weeks would suffice (although you'll be crying that you have to leave to soon).  In addition, I'd plan a follow up trip in late summer or very early fall (again weather).  This is to follow up on those special lady(s) you may have met on the first trip.

Now, once you've accepted these things, you're over the biggest hurdles.  Now the adventure begins.

If it was my first trip, I'd look at taking it in late spring or early summer.  Better weather and you can get out to do a lot more sight seeing and stuff with the ladies.

I'd pick a city to concentrate my efforts on.  Just seems easier to be based in one location and time is spent more productively.  First trip I'd choose either Kiev, Moscow or St. Petes.  They're large, have direct flights in, lots of attractions, and if the trip is a failure, heck, you can get in some great sightseeing.

Once you've decided on where you want to go, I'd plan on placing some ads in the local papers starting about four to six months in advance to start your screening process.  From these letters, you'll soon learn how to detect those that seem more sincere.  You will want to have let those that are sincere know that you will be coming to visit and that you would be interested in meeting them.  You can supplement these with agency letters if you want, but I'd see what the ad response is first.  Agencies are good back up plans.

Start learning some basic Russian.  The ladies appreciate your attempt and it shows them that you are sincere in learning their culture.

Decide on the trip dates.  I don't recommend the big socials.  But I have been to one of Jacks small ones and found them to be quite interesting and a lot of fun.  Also, I had an opportunity to meet some of the guys on the board as a result of the socials.  I'll front Rags and WSbill off as two of 'em.  But, you can do well without going to socials.

Connect with someone like Jack to arrange to have someone meet you at the airport, find you an apartment, get you settled in, introduce you to some local agencies (back up plan), etc.  Call Jack, he can give you better details regarding this stuff.  Get yourself a city map, learn where the agencies are, stop by 'em to introduce yourself, look through the catelogs, start making backup plans without committing to any.  Hook up with a reasonably priced translator as you will be spending a lot of time with them.

Meet several women, even if one particular lady knocks your socks off!  Be yourself, use your head, follow your heart and have fun.  But most important, don't settle for less then what you want in a wife.  AND if by some chance you think (or know) you've met the right one, let her know that you'll be back to see her as you want to get to know her better before making such an important decision.  (Yep, plan on a minimum of two trips, possibly three!).

Okay, I'm sure the other guys can give you their two cents so this is all from me.  Good luck in the promised land!

... in response to The Search, posted by DE on Dec 24, 2002

But watch out for those Moscow Girls. They'll make you scream and shout. IMO a great city to sightsee but not to look for a wife (sour grapes). Ukraine Girls really knock me out.

... in response to Well said..., posted by Rags on Dec 24, 2002

True any big city can produce women that'll make you scream and shout, but it is best to base yourself in a big city and make the women come to you,instead of meeting them in their village. The girls may enjoy a trip to the city?? The main thing is you'll know there isn't a few guys waiting for you to get off the train and rob you.

I met my wonderful wife in Moscow. She moved there from a smaller city for a better job.

What I worry about in your quest is the step-children issue you'll both be facing.

... in response to Re: Well said..., posted by Mike on Dec 24, 2002

well said