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I've been married now for 5 months to a RW, 25 years old. Oh how I heard all the hype, RW are so great, so friendly, with class, an education, who act like women, blah blah blah. I spent about 15,000 dollars to get my RW over here, it was a dream come true to finally bring her here.

But now it's been 6 months since she has been here with me, and what have I learned? Plenty, that's for sure.

RW by nature are very lazy, as a matter of fact, Russians in general are a very lazy people, pressumably from Communism where they don't need to strive hard for anything. Secondly, I have become familiar with the Russian Community in my city, these Russians who come over here are extremely predjudice towards Americans, they believe Americans are stupid, shallow, and worthless. They feel themselves far superior to some dumb American, that's why they don't associate with Americans. And they constantly talk bad about them.

For all of you who are thinking about getting yourself a RW, you better think again. Who was it on this board who said that RW have bad breath? Ah, it was LearPilot, right? ..........Well, LP was right, they do. You see, dentistry is free in Russia, it just isn't worth a anything, that's all. As every American knows, free gets you nothing. My girl has about 10 cavities that need to be fixed, with something like 3 root canals, and two crowns needed, and she was at a dentist two years ago, cool huh? That will cost me another 3000-5000 grand.

My girl won't clean our place, she won't clean the bathroom, or the kitchen, or anything else. Once in a while she will do a load of laundry, if I'm lucky. The only thing she will do for me is cook, that's it.

Everyday I wake up and wonder how I have come to be here in this situation, and how I can get myself out of it, I feel completely stuck with her.

From her I have met about 10 RW, every single one of them are as lame as can be, none of them impress me even a little bit, they have the worst personalities a person could have.

And RM? Oh, I could really talk about RM. They are the biggest punks that ever existed, I can't stand them. Personally I'm hoping that we go to war with Russia soon, because I would like to join such a war and fight Russians. Believe me, they are decieving lying people, and they hate us, when they get there chance, they will try to defeat us.

Moscow, 11/15, huge survey done, a question was posed to Moscowvites, "do you think America deserved what happened Sept 11th?", ..........80% of those polled said,...........YES!

You didn't know that did you? Time to wake up and smell the coffee. Russians hate Americans, and they always will. We have many enemies around the world, and they can all go @#$* themselves too.

No, I have done the Russian wife thing, and I have learned my lesson, I would never do it again, no way, no how, no chance. I'm just hoping she will go home soon, she doesn't belong here in the USA, and I don't belong with a Russian.

No more RW

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

I can't believe anyone would assume this scumbag's post has any ring of truth to it. The only proper response to this scumbag is to tell him/her to fu¢k off. Why argue with an evil troll?

-blm

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

I can not belive this post.  It is far from the truth of my experience.  There is no way you can tell me that Russian/Ukrainian Women are Lazy...  To the contrary they are very hard working and responsible...  they run the country and YES ther are better eductated than most Western countries... Hell it sounds to me that you should have briygh a horse and check the mouth for age...  if you truely loved this girl..  and clearly you did not...  all that you post does is demonstate that you are a shallow uncareing pathetic individual with no understanding of anyone that does not fit your limited view of women.  Why did you look for a RW relationship in the first place?...   I agree Jack can be a pain in the butt and in many cases he makes inappropiate comments but you are over the top...

If you are serious then seek help now...  else you are a troll and sadly Jack is right...

... in response to You are a troll or just plain wrong..., posted by jj on Nov 24, 2001

"all that you post does is demonstate that you are a shallow uncareing pathetic individual with no understanding of anyone that does not fit your limited view of women"

That is very kind of you sir, thank you most graciously.

... in response to You are a troll or just plain wrong..., posted by jj on Nov 24, 2001

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... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

I am married to girl from EE; and I have known many RW; so I speak with some experience.
By and large RW come here looking for a good relationship and a better life; most of them are very hardworking; however many would rather live in their native country, even after being here for many years; but you would also prefer your own culture, even if you lived someplace else. Almost no RW I have met have come here solely for the visa.
In addition many of them struggle through our job market with considerable difficulties.
This having said, there are cultural problems AM/RW have that need to be overcome; many couples cannot overcome that.The major problem is that RW are very social, and stuck in American suburbia with no place to go, little job skills, and little knowledge of English, is like the kiss of death for them.
I would hope that more AM, instead of blaming the RW would look at things from their perspective. It is a completely different picture, the one I was able to comprehend only by listening to them often.

Mark

... in response to Not All RW Are The Same, posted by mdante99 on Nov 24, 2001

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... in response to Not All RW Are The Same, posted by mdante99 on Nov 24, 2001

As mdante99 said, this is why I'm trying to find a “local” support group or some people that have been through prior to getting emotionally involved with someone from a different country.

... in response to Not All RW Are The Same, posted by mdante99 on Nov 24, 2001

You describe it perfectly Mark, but what do you do about it??? You have accessed the problem, but what is the solution?

I don't know, maybe we can still make it, but it's really on rocky ground, she of course has her side of it, I have mine.

I just wonder, is this a good thing? Should we have to try so hard, overcome so many difficulties, it's been a long road for me, I'm getting tired, it's much harder than I had anticipated.

... in response to Re: Not All RW Are The Same, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

....six months? Good God man, are ye a lollipop?

99% of the things we do (especially worthwhile, long term things) are harder than we anticipate. Why would this be any less so?

Sometimes that difficulty is from poor planning. I remember a movie where the Duke himself once said, in that John Wayne drawl; "Life is hard....real hard if you're stupid"

I also don't know your prior situation but if you screwed the pooch planning wise, it's simply time to compensate for it. What can you do to adapt? Have you talked to her? Has she talked to you?

Am I yapping at a fictious troll? lol..Why do I get the feeling this is a waste of time?

... in response to Re: Not All RW Are The Same, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

I refrain from giving personal advise without knowing the situation better. But here are some generalities that I have learned from my own experiences.
First of all recognize that you are in most cases bringing a young girl to USA, who believes that life will be good and prosperous in America; that is the first let down, for most of us are comfortable but far from prosperous.
Also please remember that almost every Russian man or woman believes that the Russian culture is the best in the world; that is the way it is, you think the same way about your culture, the Japanese and the French think the same way about their language and culture.
You married the girl, you did not know that?
The RW in USA want to work; but they have exceedingly difficult time getting a job, sometimes any job. She looks to you for support, every day, and every hour.
If you are unwilling or unable to provide that support, you should not have married her.
Social isolation for the RW is probably the worse curse in USA. You went to her country, you noticed how people in FSU are always socializing; something just not done here. She must have a way to get around; you must arrange for her to learn driving.
And STOP blaming the RW; that is your biggest mistake, she came here because you made some promises to her and now she sees that those were unfulfilled promises.
My marriage has worked out very well, I have posted on this Board for some time now; and I was fully aware of the pitfalls, and prepared myself and my girl for it well.

I think it is imprudent for anyone to venture into this without knowing the risks, and there are many and specially a vast cultural difference between the AM and the RW.

Patrick has let your post and the responses intact because he believes and rightfully so that many AM get into this over their heads, only to wake up when they are drowning.

Mark

... in response to What To Do?, posted by mdante99 on Nov 24, 2001

Mark full spport for your comments..  and yes I also think Patrick is doing a good job and if readers stick around they will see through the hype and bulls__t attacks and generalisations.  But there is collective wisdom and it is not just "sex tourism" as I first thought. (Althouth there is a lot os sexist remarks.. but hell we are sexual beings... and men (inc some women) after all).  But the talk of War and hostilities between the USA and Russia is someting I can not fathom.  I still fail to understand the merits of teh Cold War..  other to divide the world on political values.  In the end Russia and Ukraine share the same human asperations, dreams and desires...  in their case they can be down to earth if not a little disallusioned by the "American Dream".  There is more to the west than the USA.  And this board has an international flavour.  I am not rying to put down the USA..  I do not support any overt Nationalism or any overt dominate ism.. for that matter.  (Communism, Capitalism, Socailism) Truth lies somewhere inbetween and the line is always shifting...
As has been my thoughts on this board.  (I must admit I hold this board in hiugher regards than the RWNA-Take2 Shane Neuff (I am bitter) board)

... in response to Re: Not All RW Are The Same, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

You have said it yourself.  Your comments are conflicting...  on one hand you complain about her being lasy and now it seams you are lasy.  why did you marry this girl and how long and well did you know her before hand?  You still seam to fail to understand that the COLD war was based on false premis.  IT was America that was against Russia and America just insisted that others also join in their hatred of anything Socialist. The one thing I have notoced is that nearly every one I met in Ukraine said that KLife was better under communism...  Sure their were many aspects that you and I would not support...  If you think they are still your enemy and you wish to go to war then God help us...  I think we can learn much from each other.  As to the prefered Political model I think the trurth lies somewhere in between  (Europe is far more advance in this respect then the USA, Britan or Australia).  Hell this is the region that produced the AMAZON...  have survived Russia dominate rule and continues to survive the curremt economic demise..  They certaintly do deserve better..  the Transition has not been managed well ... and they are a wake up to it...they know what is happening they are not stupid.  They may not have the same opportunities the US and the West have but then like any minority we keep them repressed...  Look closer to home and you will see more dispare then in Russia and Ukraine.  I think they rae strong, well eductaed and have good social values.  Some are misguided by the false image of life in the US/West but hey this is not Hollywood and you as a loving husband owe it to your wife to help her in her development, her health and happyness...  I have spent way too much time and words on you....  

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

I'm greatful that you brought another one over.  Don't get to irrational here by trying to send her back home.  Let her hang out here long enough for the green card (at least your getting your meals cooked for you even though she's not the ideal slave you were looking for).  Remember, that's one more women to the ratio of men in the US.  Now, if you can't deal with that, don't worry.  I live on the west coast and quite frankly, will be glad to give her a place to stay just for cooking my meals.  I'll hook her up with an INS lawyer that will get take care of her INS problems while you file for divorce and start planning your next trip over.  I won't expect anything else in return from her.  She'll eventually find some guy that will treat her with respect, more mature and not expect a slave, that will in turn free up an AW for some other guy and who knows, maybe eventually, it'll free up a slave for you.  But it really doesn't matter, because by your post, I doubt any of them will ever be happy with you!  But that's Okay as long as you understand it.  You have the advantage of knowing that it won't last long and can therefore use it to your advantage.  Just go back over and after a one week meeting, bring back another for the next year of cooking your dinners!  I think most AM will support you in your efforts to bring over as many as you possibly can before the INS shuts you down (hey, you might even get lucky and find a slave in the process).  So, enjoy the time you have with her before she leaves you, start preparations for your next trip and enjoy life.  Your AM brothers appreciate your efforts in improving the male/female ratio.  Remember, their is always a silver lining to a dark cloud!

... in response to Re: Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by DE on Nov 24, 2001

Hi DE,

Your not interested in more RW here in the USA, are you? No, I think not, you wish there were more men in the USA huh? I know your type, sorry, I can't help you, I only like women. Perhaps someone else could be of service to you? Keep trying, there is someone for everyone.

I'm told the West Coast is filled with guys like you, so don't despair, you will find your dream man.

... in response to Who are you trying to kid?, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

Look in the mirror dude.  Do you have a stamp on your forehead?  She saw you coming a mile away, and now your just an angry little boy!  You're just upset now, cool down, have a beer, watch a little football.  Once you've cooled down, send me your wife's name and have her e-mail me.  I'll have a ticket ready for her to pick up at the airport and you'll be done with this whole assorted affair.  All you'll need to do is file for divorce.  I'm sure she won't contest it or want anything further from you.  We have a very large Russian community here that I'll introduce her to.  It's obvious you're not happy in the relationship, so whats the big deal?  This will be painless and help you start the healing process so that you can start planning the next trip.  Maybe you should try Asia next time?  Be a man once in your life (or a least pretend that you're mature enough to be one)!

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

On September 11th it was evening in Moscow when the tragedy happened and they announced about it on TV. Hundreds of Muscovites ran to the US Embassy and put flowers showing they grief together with American people. The next day there was just mountain of flowers at the US Embassy and I sincerely hope they showed it on American TV. For your information, Moscow is not Ukraine and flowers are not cheap here. Price of one rose is about $6. Also, they interviewed people in the street and ALL of them said that they were very sorry for the tradegy happened. I LIVE here and I don't know ANYBODY who thinks that Americans deserved what happened. But sure if you prefer to trust your source...

About dental care. Yes, we do have both free dental care as well as we have hundreds (!) of excellent (really excellent!) dental clinics where one has to pay. If a person doesn't take care of his teeth it's his own affair but not a reason to make generalization about the whole nation. Recently I was in California and I met one American man who obviously needed dental care. Shall I also start to make generalizations?

I would say that the vast majority of Russian people like Americans. If you wife doesn't like YOU it's not a reason to say that "Russian people do not like American people".

There is a nice saying in the Ukraine which sounds "Bachili ochi scho kupovali" and means that you saw what you were "buying"... As for complaining "after" it's a very childish thing. Dry tears and take a candy. Marriage to a RW, AW or any other woman is for adults and you need to grow up.

Regards,

Tootsie

... in response to Take it from a native muscovite..., posted by Tootsie on Nov 24, 2001

The Russian/Ukrainians are inspite the economic crises very resolute and proud.  They have a strong sence and awareness or what is going on in the world.  They may be economically poor but they are very well eductated and socially aware...  The main problem is that the Cold War placed a barrier between the west and Russia/Ukraine and many in the west still do not understand or know about Russia/Ukraine culture. Hell I am still learning...  and what I have learnt impresses me...  Any relationship acorss cultural boundaries has its misunderstandings and difficulty,.  Just look at the post war migration of Italians now part of the mainstream...

... in response to Take it from a native muscovite..., posted by Tootsie on Nov 24, 2001

Maybe my transliteration isn't too good, but thank you.

... in response to Take it from a native muscovite..., posted by Tootsie on Nov 24, 2001

I extend greetings. I read your message in your own context rather than a response to fraudulent post's ;)
I always enjoy reading your's ! Thank you.....
email holidays greetings for us
Karl & Svetlana
tfcrew@gte.net

... in response to Take it from a native muscovite..., posted by Tootsie on Nov 24, 2001

Ok, it seems I'm caught with my pants down today. My source about the poll taken in Moscow is from my wifes Mama, she told my wife about the poll, and was shocked. I do not know where she knows of this poll, but I will find out and report back to the board.

Also, my wifes Mama said that after Sept 11th, people in Moscow were getting rid of their dollars, in fear of dollars losing their value. Is this true Tootsie?

If so, that is really funny, maybe you Moscowvites should learn that America is not just America, it is the World Empire, and we own the whole world, so our dollar isn't going to lose it's value anytime soon.

I like you too much to go any further Tootsie, I hope your stay in California was a pleasent one. Now it's time to defend myself from the Troll Catchers.

Bye

... in response to Privet Tootsie, Kak de lah?, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

I assure you there were many selling the dollar after Sep 11, Inlcuding American companies/individuals.  The US Dollar is over valued and in many cases a barrier to economic growth in the US... Now if the US dollar is on a dive then hell who would not sell it....  this is the aim of the market ... the capitalist system...  for every winner there must be a looser somewhere...  yin and yang.. balance...

... in response to Privet Tootsie, Kak de lah?, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

we own the world? Wow - that is why one pathetic man and a band of terrorists can bring such a powerful country to it's knees economically. Man has your pride gotten you head in the ozone layer. By the way my car proudly carries an American flag that proudly flaps as I drive.

... in response to Re: Privet Tootsie, Kak de lah?, posted by thesearch on Nov 24, 2001

9oo+ posts
impressive ;)
your profile needs updating '(
drastically
you should pronounce it, (hello) priviyet
"privet".........nyet!!!!!!!
Karl Webstervich

... in response to thesearch? What is up with thesearch ??, posted by tfcrew on Nov 24, 2001

The fact that you stay around to help those of us who have not arrived is admirable. Most simply would not do that.

... in response to thesearch? What is up with thesearch ??, posted by tfcrew on Nov 24, 2001

my posts start way before the date mentioned - a technical issue actually.

... in response to Re: Privet Tootsie, Kak de lah?, posted by thesearch on Nov 24, 2001

that is why one pathetic man and a band of terrorists can bring such a powerful country to it's knees economically "thesearch"

What country are you refering to? Certainly not the USA, our economy is so strong right now it's an absurd joke. You've been watching too much TV, look around you, people starving on the streets where you live? Everybody out of work that you know?

Oh I see, your 401k has been hit hard and now you think we have been bought to our knees, right? Don't worry, your 401k will be right back to where it was after the first of the year, and you can take that to the bank with you.

... in response to Re: Re: Privet Tootsie, Kak de lah?, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

There is a lot more damage than you realize.

Yes we will recover, but the financial damage created that was more created by fearful Americans than Osama B.L. is quite staggering.

This is about a fearful people.

Osama said watch what I will do and how I will make the American people puppets with me being the puppeteer.

I am a proud American but fact is fact.

... in response to Privet Tootsie, Kak de lah?, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

Wow, now I understand the source! You know I also have a mom who is retired and likes to discuss political events with other babushkas...

Yes, the info is right and on September 11th some mad people started to get rid of dollars... Some banks used the situation and took dollars for 15 Rbls. instead of 30... It was funny...

My stay in California was great and I hope to go back somewhere in January... I've just got my next multiple US visa...

Good luck to you,

Tootsie

... in response to Cold here..., posted by Tootsie on Nov 24, 2001

Perhaps I could meet with you on your next visit to the USA? We could get together and I'll show you how us Americans really have a good time.

Plus I could sing my new Russian song to you,

"one old lady had,
two funny gooses,
one was white,
one was grey,
two funny gooses"

Take care Tootsie.

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

In a former life four years ago, I dated a Ukrainian lady (ethnically Russian, if that makes a difference) and this happened in the U.S. She was 24. I got to know some of her friends. I couldn't stand being with them. They were all in their early twenties and students. They hung out in a particular bar frequently, even in the day. They were all (about five altogether) after green cards. The guy in the group was greatly admired by the other Russian and Ukrainian girls. He was very tall, fair, and good looking. He had gotten his green card. He married an American girl. The FSU girls said nothing but nasty things about her. Mainly, they said she was stupid because he was cheating on her constantly and she didn't know and she trusted him. So she, not her, was despicable and they all practically laughed in her face whenever they saw her. That guy was from Russia, and he was constantly failing his classes because he wouldn't study. He didn't apply himself because he said he already knew everything the professors (this was at a large university) had to say. He was always drunk, driving like a maniac, and occasionally crashing his car. He kept talking America down, and said he'd go back to Russia, but the last I heard he was still in the U.S.

The other green card situations among them: one of the young Russian students was dating an older Russian guy with a green card and they were planning marriage. A Ukrainian student in the group was going after a guy of Indian decent who had a green card-- he was in the armed services. He dropped her after a short while. And my girlfriend was going after me! I got very suspicious of my girlfriend after I saw this crowd she had hung around with (I wasn't entirely without suspicions in the first place-- this is always true when westerners date people from other countries-- it's built-in caution). In fact, although she was very beautiful (who cares that much!)-- I broke it off with her. I saw a very corrupt character. And I was down on the entire bunch and maybe even the country for a while as a knee-jerk reaction (I am only human).

However, shortly after, I also met some other people from Russia and the FSU (also in the U.S.). These people made an entirely different impression on me. The difference, I think is the difference between boys and men, girls and women. The first group I mentioned was immature. They were young, so what do you expect? The other group was well-educated, intelligent, ten to twenty years older, and I always enjoyed their company.

I understand why people would be extremely disappointed after a bad experience, and that would probably be an understatement, but let's be careful not to overgeneralize.  Doing so, I think, would be grossly unfair.

I am very sorry about your experience. I obviously don't think you are a troll-- when I first posted here, I was also branded a troll and I now await the slings and arrows that are sure to come my way-- I won't have to wait long! One thing I like about this board is that overall it is a positive support group. I have seen some other forums and the negativity about dating Russian women, in my opinion, is extreme. When negative experiences are posted here, people immediately yell, "Troll." (And sometimes they are right.) Probably this is one reason why there is so little negativity about dating Russian women on this forum. But moreover, I think there is less negativity because you have people here who are more experienced. They have had positive and negative experiences, just as they have had with AW.

I am really sorry about your situation. For those who know this can really happen, it sends shock waves through our virtual community here. Though there are precautions we may take, no one here is completely immune from this possibility. Your story may even be the last straw for some lurkers who were sitting on the fence-- they may now decide that they were crazy to even think of writing to Russian girls in the first place. I don't take your story as a wake up call, though, or find it shocking. I think most people on this board, at least the people who contribute here, are all proceeding with varying levels of caution. There is going to be a certain degree of mistrust built-in at least at first to this endeavor because of the apparent huge discrepancy between the standards of living here and over there. This is an undeniable fact, even though I definitely acknowledge the rich cultural lives many of them lead. I think it is important to have some perspective here, namely that there are, in my opinion, sincere ladies in the FSU who, although the upgraded living conditions are a real incentive, m o r e o v e r   want love, children, and a strong family, and they choose Western men for a blend of these reasons: a blend of realism and romance. And it is my impression that these women are not uncommon. Mature people from all countries know, I think, that if they don't follow their heart, they will live a miserable existence which is unviable for long.

I am very sorry about your situation. I hope you can and will send her packing and with time passing see that you wrote some unfair blanket condemnations based upon a very powerful and sad, yet limited experience. Personally, I admire Russians and Ukrainians very much and am very sorry that communism kept us from stronger ties much of the past century. It seems to me that they admire us very much, too. I wish for stronger ties between the countries, and that seems to be happening. I don't think it is fair putting down all Russians because of a bad relationship. I hope you will resolve the situation well, chock it up to a learning experience, and move on in time to a mature, loving relationship with a good woman, whether she comes from the U.S. or wherever.

... in response to I have a similar experience, but not rep..., posted by Scaught on Nov 24, 2001

I also have had my "bad" personal experience but I try not to generalise and taint all Russians/Ukrainians because of this experience.  I met many people who I hold in high regard.  (The Truth be known I still feel much for my ex-friend - But can no longer trust her).  But I am sure that theor are many Russian/Ukrainians that are not opportunists.  Are prepared to continue living in Russia and owrk towards bringing it out of its current demise. They are proud people and need our support and not pity.

I also was attacked by this Board - Jack in particular who continues to make smirking false remarks.  (Again I state I have never met Jack and whilst I sometimes agree with him I do not like his style) I just dismiss his bull_sht.  I also have learnt much in listening to those that post here.  I do not agree with them but I have learnt a lot...  you need to endure and stay longer to begin to understamd better this virtual community.  First impression is not the best...  The Troll hunters are not the best and their has been much maligned comments elsewhere abou the board but I think they are wrong as some here...  but there is a lot you can learn from sitting back and watching and participating from time to time ...

... in response to I have a similar experience, but not rep..., posted by Scaught on Nov 24, 2001

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... in response to I have a similar experience, but not rep..., posted by Scaught on Nov 24, 2001

"No more RW" as a troll - but neither am I willing to jump into the middle of the discussion. Whether he/she is, or is not, a troll is inconsequential to me.

What *is* important to me - are the sorts of sentiments you eloquently expressed in your message - such as the idealogy of communism which kept the Russians and Americans apart and at each other's throats for so many decades - such as the fact that bad and good can be found amongst the Russian community, just as easily as it can be found in the American community (and probably the Martian community too) - the tolerance of others and willingness to offer the benefit of the doubt until given a reason not to.

Good post.

Cheers,

- Dan

... in response to Excellent Post Scaught!!!! I Don't Happe..., posted by Dan on Nov 24, 2001

....outta this!

lol...Danm! My cover is blown! "Reds" are *not* all the same so back off about the Martians. :-)

I agree. Scaught, ya done good...

... in response to I have a similar experience, but not rep..., posted by Scaught on Nov 24, 2001

No slings and arrows from me. I thought it was an excellent post with the right balance between the pro and con. This bopard could use more like it.

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

...Not much of a "story". I normally don't respond to you types but, since you mentioned me, I'll take a shot at it.

It's clear you've been reading the board for awhile (or perused the archives) as the bad breath comment was some time ago. FWIW, that has been my experience. Every single FSU woman I've met had a breath problem in varying degrees. So what? Millions of people the world over suffer from it also. It's easily remedied and not a big deal.

FSU dental issues are well known and most of the men involved understand that will need to be addressed. Again, so what? Is taking steps to make heathly the ones you care about so bad? Clearly you must have known this when you first became involved. Assuming your story is true, now that she hasn't worked out, the money is an issue? (Yeah, some Americans *can* be shallow, eh?) You must have known about it before you married her. lol...I remember giving a dental inspection to a girl I met. I was serious about her and she didn't mind as she knew it would lead to better health.

What you apparently *didn't* know is much else about this "woman". How long did you know her? How many visits? You don't state your age, but she's 25 so what did you expect? Whats her background? How educated, mature, ect were you at 25? Then again, your post implies you may be near that age anyway. I'll bet she never lived with a man before she married you. Sounds like you didn't do your homework or maybe you two are simply one of the unforunate unions that don't work out. Thats no reason to expect others who put more into it before *and* after to have the same results.

Yeah, I'll agree that some Americans can be ignorant, shallow and worthless. So can some Russians, apparently "your's" also. As for your "huge" Moscow survey, can you quote the source? The outpouring of sympathy at the US Embassy in Moscow seems to show that many Russians don't feel we "deserved" 9-11. What sane person would? (FWIW, I don't think we deserved it either but I *do* understand why the perpetrators thought so.)

My opinion, based only on *my* experiences are that yes, some Russians are the most morally bankrupt people I've ever met. But I know many, both men and women, who are pure gold and surpass any other culture I've dealt with. There seems to be no middle ground, if their bad their worse than "usual", if their good their *way* better than usual. Lazy by nature?? The men seem to be in many cases, but if you had bothered to learn anything about the history and culture you would know the women in general have powered the country for a long time. They have been mother, wife and the general Russian workforce for many years. They work very hard to this day carrying a load that would cause A/W women to dissolve into a puddle of goo. You think life in most FSU communities is easy? FSU women are many things but only one I've known could be classed as "lazy".

Look, I actually feel that the odds of *long term* success, in general, are not that great. All the more reason to take much more time and do it right. Did you? Even then there are no guarentees, yes? What did you expect, a fairy tale? Do you really think these people are totally different from other human beings? lol..If you cut them, do they not bleed? Besides, if you're gonna deal with a younger woman you'd better do your homework, as the combination of youth and differing cultures can be a formidable obstacle.

So you did the "Russian wife thing" and it didn't work out. Sounds like you're not taking any responsibility for it, after all, it takes two to tango. No one is more cynical or skeptical than I about this adventure, but such sweeping generalizations as your's just don't hold water. Me thinks you be a trollin. Ya know, if you're telling the truth, you *would* understand how you got into this situation as well as knowing how to get out of it. You don't offer us much else about your experience, so I wonder. If true, I can understand your animosity towards Russians but thats life, you and her simply didn't make the cut. Be a big boy, suck it up and move on.

If you're bent over this I understand your need to "help" us out but this isn't the way to do it. If it's all bunk or you be a trollin, your "need" is pathological. In fact, I suspect this entire post is simply an exercise in improving my typing skills and little else because you're a troll, and not a very good one at that. If not, calm down, tell us specifics and fess up to your part in it. Accept your share of responsibility because if you don't, it'll eat you alive.

Oh, one last note. If the benefit of the doubt I'm giving you is wrong (and I think it is), then I thank you for another lesson that I should ignore your kind in the future.

... in response to Not a troll?....., posted by LP on Nov 24, 2001

I guess I just didn't know what I was getting myself into. It's too much work for me. Teaching driving to someone who doesn't even know what a brake light is. Doesn't know anything about checks, paying bills, dialing 411, or the thousands upon thousands of little things.

It's just too much to describe, I thought it would be fun to teach such a girl, fun to have her experience things for the first time, she doesn't swim so I'm teaching her, she doesn't drive so I'm teaching her, (just bought her a brand new car a month ago, she flucked her first two road tests, now she is affraid to do it again). So her brand new car just sits in the garage, waiting for her to learn to drive.

And the Russian Community thing, I encouraged her to make friends with some Russians so she could have people to talk with, very bad idea. The Russian Community is the worst community I have ever had the displeasure of meeting. They are the dullest people I have ever met, they show no emotion whatsoever, they could be in the most fun place in the world and they would say with a very dull tone, "fun".

They have no recognizable personality to speak of, they are dull and the way they look at life is dull. They shop at Russian stores, eat at Russian resturaunts, etc. They want nothing to do with Americans, they feel Americans are a low class people.

Now what Tootse won't tell you I will. Russians are taught from a very young age that they are superior in every way to all other people in the world. YES YES YES it's true, they feel they are better educated, have culture and class, and are far superior to Americans, or anybody else for that matter.

Osama bin Laden said that Americans are weak, that he and his people could easily take on America, after all, Osama beat the Russians after 10 years, and that the Russians are extremely tough, the Americans are weak and will be defeated even easier.

Hah, what a joke, after two months they are defeated by us, it took the Russians 10 years and they couldn't defeat Afghanistan, but America can do it in two months, so much for us weak Americans.

No, let it be known right here right now, America is the best country in the world, and the Russians would never have stood a chance against us, they are the ones who are weak, not us.

And I really don't care what anybody thinks about me or what I have to say, I have studied the Russians now for 6 months, I don't like what I find, not even a little bit.

Sorry but,

No more RW

P.S. Just my opinion

... in response to LP, how you doin, whatz up, long time no..., posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

..Come on now, the current situation in Afghanistan is quite different. The Russians were fighting a much larger force who felt the Russians were invaders.

The US is fighting a much smaller segment of the poulation with the help of a much larger one who feel they are getting their country back from an oppressive regiem.

You're just jerking us around ain't cha? :-)

... in response to LP, how you doin, whatz up, long time no..., posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

Interesting to read about superior Russians after your post about USA being a World Empire. Wonder who is more brainwashed about being superior.... :)

As for teaching your wife.... If that's the situation why did you choose a woman who can not drive, prefer to hang around with sceptical immigrants and have no desire to work???? Why did not you go after woman with good English, higher education level, driving and social skills? Because you could not or because YOU wanted to feel superior, but turned out that the task was too big for you?

As any society Russian community in USA has its own different levels. I don't claim to be an expert on it, but I have seen many of it - meetings at the galleries with art exhibitions, business roundtables, clubs for people over 40s, etc, etc.... Everybody picks their own niche. Yes, your comments are true about some people here. I came accross it many times. I also came accross many Americans whose life views and ideas I can not accept... Do you think Jerry Springer show reflects modern American empire??? :) I don't think so. I met many wonderful people here and thoroughly enjoy my life in this country. It is not about contry being superior, it is just about people taking responsibility for their lives and actions.... Sounds like both of you (you and your RW) have failed it.

I just hoped you will learn a good lesson out of it instead of sreaming "NO MORE RW" :)

Good luck to you,

Russian Wife

... in response to superior russians, posted by RW on Nov 24, 2001

Privet RW,

"Interesting to read about superior Russians after your post about USA being a World Empire. Wonder who is more brainwashed about being superior.... :)

You sound like such a nice and intelligent RW, and I'm sure your pretty too, but I have this sneaky suspicion that you would be just like the other RW I have met. Oh of course you would be nice to my face, but then you would make the critical error of speaking to my wife about Americans,...(not me of course) but Americans. Similiar to the RW who we met at the INS. Oh, very pretty girl, very pleasent to me, but in thr Restroom with my wife she tells her, "I would never marry an American", very politely of course. To which my wife was too stunned to reply. But about us Americans being superior, are we not? Of course we are. There are only two ways in which to rule the world, either through war or bribary. We can do either, but we choose bribary most often, bribary works. But when bribary won't work, we use our military, and nobody in the world could stand up against our military, nobody could even come remotely close, if you think so, then you have no idea just how powerfull we are. It would be like comparing the USA in 1921 against the USA of 1961, there is no comparison, one side will certainly be destroyed.

"As for teaching your wife.... If that's the situation why did you choose a woman who can not drive, prefer to hang around with sceptical immigrants and have no desire to work???? "

She doesn't hang out with them, they live next door. It's all my fault, I chose the place because they live next door, boy I'm stupid. But they do work, or so I'm told anyway, who knows. All I know is how they think via my wife.

"Why did not you go after woman with good English, higher education level, driving and social skills? Because you could not or because YOU wanted to feel superior, but turned out that the task was too big for you?"

She has a higher education, and she speaks excellent english too, her social skills are very good, she just can't drive or swim, and teaching her to drive is proving a bigger challenge that I thought it would be, but then again she has come a long way, she is almost ready now, it's just that I'm really tired, I'm unfortunately having to work 7 days a weeks right now, and it's taking it's toll on me, woke up in a bad mood this morning I guess.

"Everybody picks their own niche. Yes, your comments are true about some people here. I came accross it many times"

How could it only be true of some if you came accross it many times?

"Do you think Jerry Springer show reflects modern American empire??? :) "

Well unfortunately he does. As with any Empire you have an abundance of everything, both good and bad. He is our bad, that's all. I despise him, but as you know many love him.

"I met many wonderful people here and thoroughly enjoy my life in this country"

For that I am very pleased to hear, thank you.

"I just hoped you will learn a good lesson out of it instead of sreaming "NO MORE RW" :) "

Well,....actually were still together, depends whether the house is clean when I get home......  ;-) Just Kidding.

Ok, I'll change my name.

... in response to Re: superior russians, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

"I would never marry an American" :0)
First of all, there is a saying in Russia "never say never"... and second, I already did :)

Anyway, my only comment is that it is not "Russian" or "American" you are getting married to, but a man or woman.  I think anybody who picks a future mate ONLY because he/she is "Russian" or "American" is setting himself/herself for a BIG future disappointment.
Enough said...

... in response to Re: Re: superior russians, posted by RW on Nov 24, 2001

....well said. (lol..See? We do agree on some things. :-)

I'll tell you something else. Very few things make me *really* ashamed of Americans, the Jerry Springer Show is one of them.

... in response to Bravo...., posted by LP on Nov 24, 2001

Whinning cry babies because its too difficult to teach their wife to swim or drive or......whatever and I woke up on the wrong side of the bed so I gues I'll just go spill my "woe is me" and how I've been scammed by my non-conforming Russian slave.  Yeah, those aspects of Americans really, really make you ashamed to be even associated with American men, especially in public around other Ukrainian/Russian women (like on this board)!

... in response to And...., posted by DE on Nov 24, 2001

"Yeah, those aspects of Americans really, really make you ashamed to be even associated with American men, especially in public around other Ukrainian/Russian women (like on this board)! "

When I read this I had to laugh. I guess now I'm a veteran at this and remember saying these newbie words at one time too.  ............You go boy.

... in response to Re: And...., posted by No more RW on Nov 25, 2001

you're far from it.  Try psychotic, schizophrenic, and just plain idiot!

... in response to Veteran......., posted by DE on Nov 28, 2001

"you're far from it. Try psychotic, schizophrenic, and just plain idiot! "

Well I'd say I have five times your intellect level, so what would that make you?

What is it that you know about? Do you know anything about Quantum Chaos? How about Quantum Consciencesness? Or how about Quantum Mechanics? What about Quantum Theory? Or Neuro Science, World History, Biology, Physics, Computer Science, Atomic Particle Theory, Cosmology, Human Physiology, General and Special Theory of Relativity, or Brain Sex Theory?

Gee, do you know anything about any of those subjects? Do you know the two controlling forces to all human behavior? Do you understand the complex interactions of Brain Sex Theory with respect to society? Do you understand how time slows down the further you get from gravitational fields with respect to the earth?

No? Then what on earth do you understand?

Come back when you have studied up for awhile, ok DE?

... in response to Re: Veteran......., posted by No more RW on Nov 28, 2001

Yeah, right!  If only you had a CLUE!  You don't know the first thing about human socilaization, personal interaction, common sense, or just listening let alone that the earth isn't flat!  Anyone can seem impressive quoting from the internet.  Heck, even I can do rocket surgey via the internet!  I believe you were the example that trolls used as the defination of "Luser".  And true to form, like the dysfuctional idiot you are, you just don't get it when everyone dislikes you and wish you'd just evaporate (or grow up and take your medication), so you hang on trying to PROVE that you're better than everyone else by quoting off the internet.  LOL  No wonder your wife wants to hang out with other men.  Now that doesn't take being a rocket scientist to figure out!  Tell her the offer for the airline tickets still holds.

... in response to Not a troll?....., posted by LP on Nov 24, 2001

Just only a test.
I'm happy to report that real Russian women hate idleness.
You take care,
Karl

... in response to LP....It was only a  "test", posted by tfcrew on Nov 24, 2001

...Ok, I'll fess up, I'm confused. Have we been had here?

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001


Dang... I *wish* this were a real post.

If all I had to worry about with a 25 year old RW was that she needed some cavities filled and that she didn't clean my house -- I'd be over there tomorrow!

But... this is a new twist on the "Horrors of RW" story. Usually they tell us that the RW is taking our money, or that we are just big losers.

First time they said the the russians are the losers (oh...and terrorist supporters... nice touch...)

Darn... wish it were true.

But this guy knows way too much about the board. Knew who Jack was right off. Knew LP. Knew about previous comments which were made a long time ago...

I find it impossible to believe that anyone has been on this board for over a year, brought over a RW, and never posted once before now.

Too bad...

... in response to LMAO, posted by MarkInTx on Nov 24, 2001

Claire is a bad speller and messes up on basic english.  Like this person.  It it makes you  feel any better, I read that Russians were sympathetic to the USA because of their own problems with Muslim terrorists.  On my first trip to St Pete, there were 3 bombs found in apartment buildings in one night.

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

You know when someone is so far off the truth that their deception and true intention stands out as plain as day? Well that is you.

Now, if for some remote chance you are not a troll - boy you got screwed with picking up some trash or perhaps you are such a jerk that she can not stand you and can make herself do anything for you and is most likely trying to figure out how she can escape you as it is she that landed with trash - you.

Now, I do not know what the real story is but my bets would say that the possibilities are in the order that I just presented them - so if you are not a troll (very unlikely and most certainly if this is true you will not stay around to prove it wrong) you see - I was kind and gave you the benefit of the doubt and called it that she is trash before you.

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

I guess you decided to get off your butt and write some new material.  Cutting and pasting that old stuff just wasn't working.  Our memories are too good.

... in response to Old Troll, new material, posted by BubbaGump on Nov 24, 2001

LP hasn't used his Lear Pilot handle in a long time.

... in response to Here is my story, I'm not a Troll, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

Noooo, this is not a troll, sure.

Can you say,...Mooooooooooooooooo

... in response to I'm am a Troll, posted by Jack on Nov 24, 2001

Your opinion isn't worth anything here Jack, you after all are in the business to match-up AM with RW, therefore your opinion is too bias, and therefore worthless.

No more RW

... in response to Come on Jack, posted by No more RW on Nov 24, 2001

and you have nothing "better" to do.  See ya next week, pig.

... in response to Your AW troll DNA surfaced big-time with..., posted by slimjimco on Nov 24, 2001

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