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Hi Guys:

Long Time No See... how're y'all doing???

Sorry I have not had any time to hang out here anymore... but I wanted to pop in briefly and let y'all know that things with my Moldavian girlfriend are still "coming along" :)

In fact... I'm about 10 days away from finally getting to go back to Chisinau again to visit her... thankfully, after FINALLY getting a big problem with a rescheduled trip in early October straightened out (post Sept-11 trouble with airline, etc...)

Anyway I wanted to let you all know that Mark from here (mdante98@aol.com) was a big help in planning this first aborted trip and THEN resolving all the trouble with the reschedule and problems with the airline and travel agency, etc... he actually waived all fees and processing costs for me, as a personal favor being a fellow "PlanetLove" community member.

SO... anyhoo... I'm off to Moldova again in ten days... three weeks with my girl... whoopee!  And who knows... maybe we'll even get engaged on this trip... maybe... heh.

I'll try and come back here after I get back and let y'all know how it went.  Take care and "Happy Holidays" in any case... good luck and best regards to all... and THANKS again, Mark :-)

-JohnCC

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

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... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

John,
Glad to hear things are going your way in Moldovia.  Best of luck to you, Bud.  Leana says hi too.
KenC

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

One common factor amongst most trolls is they like to argue and to wrestle in the mud with some of the guys who respond back to the trolls. In Ron's case I don't see him arguing back and carrying on as most trolls do. Also I have had the pleasure of working with Ron and know that he is very much a sincere man and far from being a clown idiot troll moron as you describe him.

I am curious JohnCC, why is Ron an idiot troll? I don't think he is a troll, In fact I know he is not a troll, why do you call him a troll?

As far as him being a moron, I will have to accept the blame and I must confess to be the head moron. Ron is essentially following my guidelines as I help him and many others currently on the P-L board. I am the moron that is telling these guys, including Ron, to let these girls grow up to be women. This is nothing new I am telling these guys as I think I mentioned the same thing to you a year or so ago.

Of the guys who seek my help I ask them to let these 18, 19 and 20 year old girls enjoy being girls, they will grow up soon enough. Most 18, 19 and 20 year old girls are still in the local university, most of these girls are not ready to leave there home, there family, there friends and there country, must less move to America. Most of these young girls, these 18 and 19-year-old girls are thinking of young Russian boys NOT 40-year-old American men. Oh, sure there are exceptions and you probably have one John, but you are the exception, not the rule. As Ron and many, many other guys from this board and other boards know, I will not help them or work with them unless they consider Russian women from the age of 23 and up (and yes I budge for 22.5 year olds). I want my clients to be successful and we have a better chance for success when they allow these girls to grow into womanhood, even if it is barely into womanhood.

No, I am not the world's expert on Russian women John; I am only basing what I do now for my clients on my own experience. Jack also had to learn. Jack also had to see and date and be exposed to 18 and 19 year old girls some four and five years ago. It was a tremendous head rush, it was like discovering the fountain of youth. To date, to play, to teach these young, sensual, beautiful women a few things about life. I even tried very hard to talk myself into believing I could make it work with a young 19 year old, it's very easy to do. These young ladies are so mature for there age, they really prefer older men,....sure they do,.... it was easy to convince myself of that also.

I wish you the best JohnCC and hope things work out and if they do, you will be beating the odds. I don't want to gamble with my client's success and I think you will agree that most marriages with 20 plus years age differences will be pushing the odds (but they do happen) and most marriages to 18 and 19 year old girls will be pushing the odds and most marriages with 18 and 19 year old girls with men twice there age will be pushing the odds, and that's just too much pushing of the odds for me. Ron, the idiot moron, to my delight, isn't pushing the odds in my opinion with the women he is communicating with. But all men are different, and I always try to remember that. What works for one man, may not work for another man.

... in response to Sorry JohnCC, posted by Jack on Nov 20, 2001

Jack,
"all men are different, and I always try to remember that. What works for one man, may not work for another man".
KenC

... in response to maybe you should tell your client, posted by KenC on Nov 20, 2001

Yes but was does not work for most well that probably still is the case.

... in response to maybe you should tell your client, posted by KenC on Nov 20, 2001

this was one of the first things he did tell me.

his exact words were "all men are different, there is no cookie cutter approach to this process and as such each man needs to go about this pursuit in the manner which is best suited for him personnaly".

in my case, and i am sure other cases also, once jack knows more about the individual man's personalty he helps design a game plan best suited for him.

... in response to Re: maybe you should tell your client, posted by ron on Nov 20, 2001

Ron,
Then you should know that your comments to JohnCC may not apply to him and his situation.  I happen to know John and a bit about his situation.  You have made assumptions that do not apply to him.  I guess it is good to follow all the "rules of thumb" : do go see many women, don't look for a woman XX years younger ect ect.  But the realities of each individual situation may not follow any of these rules and still be successful.  I do not know your individual status, but don't be too quick to judge someone else when you have no understanding of the specifics.
KenC

... in response to Sorry JohnCC, posted by Jack on Nov 20, 2001

Be that as it may, your explanation... my reaction is true simply because (a) he does not know me (b) he does not know my girlfriend, and (c) he does not know ONE THING about our relationship... whether we ARE or are NOT an "exception" to this (admittedly, generally TRUE) situation you describe.

I am the first person to suggest that an OLDER guy who is LOOKING FOR a very YOUNG girl is making a BIG MISTAKE.  But my case is an exception because (a) I was not looking for this kind of age difference... it just happened, and I made an exception for this girl BECAUSE of HER, and no other reason.  And (b) anyway... she's earned the exception for herself, time and time again, over the course of our first year dating.  I cannot tell you how many times she's already surprised me with her wisdom and maturity of her age BEYOND her years.  Sometimes I honestly think she is more mature than me.  There is ZERO age difference in our relationship, psychologically and emotionally... I am 100% sure of that after dating her for a year, and meeting in person on two trips already.

BUT, anyway... all this is moot because, SURE, maybe I AM only an "exception"... and "beating the odds" or whatever... and maybe I'm also totally wrong and I'll end up getting scammed after all!!!  Could be!  Who knows?  Who knows ANYTHING in this whole game?  We can all only just make our best judgements, take our time, be careful and hope for the best!  AND I'M DOING ALL THAT ALREADY!

I highly, highly doubt that I could be getting scammed... I have a thousand reasons to believe that, and only a few very minor possible reasons to believe I might have been fooled, or I'm making a mistake.  BUT I am NOT going to bother enumerating those reasons here... I have no interest or reason to bother... because it's all irrelevant anyway.

Because my POINT is that it's just this SIMPLISTIC, overly arrogant, IGNORANT and knee-jerk kind of pigeonholing of *anybody* who comes to this board that makes the whole board just a waste of my time now.  Everybody just spends hours and hours justifying their "opinion" or their own "relationship experience" that has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on anybody ELSE'S specific circumstances, with THEIR specific RW and relationship!!  It's just irrelevant and, after awhile, just so much mental masturbation here...

I'm very sorry about that... but, really, it's why I got tired of this place and stopped hanging out here after all.  So much NOISE.

So... see my other post about this... i.e. I just don't need this board any more I guess... the cost/benefit of writing posts (LIKE THIS ONE) vs. the value of the info that I can get here any more has gone down, and down, and DOWN... to the point now where it approaches ZERO.  Just too far.

SO... y'all can just consider this for yourselves, for what it's worth to you, I guess.  I just can't be bothered anymore... got better things to do with my time now.

Tak... Poka,

-JCC

... in response to Re: Sorry JohnCC, posted by JohnCC on Nov 20, 2001

I don't think you are even close to being scammed. I don't think anyone has mentioned you or your girlfriend and the word scammer in the the same sentence.

My concern, my question to you was, and is, why is Ron an idiot moron troll? Seems like some pretty harsh, hate filled words. You blast him for not knowing you, and I can only wonder how well you know him and yet you call him the names you did!

JohnCC, I think this (age difference) is just too sensitive of an issue with you.

As always, I am a phone call away should you need any help.

... in response to I hear you John, posted by Jack on Nov 20, 2001

It's the excessive tendency on the Internet (not just here but many web boards) to automatically judge somebody and lump them into a pigeonhole that I am just EXTREMELY ANNOYED with these days.

I couldn't care less about anybody's opinion of the "age thing"... but when somebody attacks me who does not KNOW ME or know ANYTHING about ME or my girlfriend, I call that an idiot moron.  Kaynyeshna!

So maybe it's not a "troll" exactly... okay, I'll give you that: but it's still certainly "idiot" in my book.

That's just the way it is, online... and I've been online for probably longer than everybody here (my first CompuServe account was circa 1985) and I'm just sick of it, no patience anymore.

-JCC

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

n.t.

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

Hey John,

Email me sometime, and let's compare notes...

-MarkInTx
-- Former frequent poster, lately just a lurker...

... in response to Hey John, posted by MarkInTx on Nov 19, 2001

OK, check your mail Mark... I remember you and we can chat off the board, sure.

But y'know I really guess I won't try much to come back here again, after all.  It's just not worth the hassle arguing with ignorant morons, to sift thru and find the GOOD threads here.

Really, I think that's a big reason why I fell off the board.

And even now, such reactions like below ("Oh, I thought you left because you were getting heat from falling for a teenager") are just so totally stupid and not deserving of even a "4 Q" response... I just don't have any patience for it any more, at all.

The simple (sad?) truth about this board is... I guess actually I got all that I needed from it, for the time being that I was here, before.

I started this process and I learned some basic and valuable things about the whole International Dating scene... good and bad... and about traveling to FSU countries, about learning to speak Russian... etc etc... just stuff like that.

And I took a few trips, got started, had one failed relationship... made a few lasting friends (here and in Russia)... and met a great, wonderful girl that I've really CLICKED with (despite our age difference)... and so NOW I have a great new relationship with my Moldavian Princess girlfriend... life moves on... I'm doing great... WE'RE doing great... and we have just a "normal" (albeit difficult long distance) dating/romance relationship now... closing in on our 1-year anniversary of meeting in person the first time, in Moscow last December... and maybe soon a marriage... maybe not, we'll see how it goes... this longer trip will help solidify a lot of things for both of us, I think...

BUT the POINT is that I guess I just DON'T NEED THIS BOARD any more.  Or at least... not enough to put up with the B.S. annoying troll ignorant moron posts like I've already gotten in THIS thread, after only ONE MESSAGE here, after being away for so long!!

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, really... given the way things were around here before.

I think it's just a damm shame, really... and so I am sorry but I'm probably outta here again.  Too bad... but "take care" and "Best of Luck" to everybody here... some of you ignorant knee-jerk reactionists will really need it: you'll NEVER survive one week with a REAL quality RW...

-JohnCC

... in response to OK, check your mailbox..., posted by JohnCC on Nov 20, 2001

I can understand not want to deal with the troll bs, but somehow, leaving because of them is, in my mind, allowing them to win in the sense that they have the pleasure of feeling as though they have won by driving you away with their inane comments.  I like your silent approach.  If you really want to leave again, which I hope you don't, may I suggest you go silently without giving the trolls the pleasure of receiving a response.  (In otherwords, don't feed the trolls...)

... in response to Hey John, posted by MarkInTx on Nov 19, 2001

Hey Mark, what happened to you? I enjoyed your posts; we miss you.

Mark

... in response to Re: Hey Mark In Texas, posted by mdante99 on Nov 19, 2001

nt

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

John, I was wondering what ever happened to you.  Thanks for the update.

... in response to John C.C., posted by Ramblin on Nov 19, 2001

Hi Ramblin'

Yeah... well basically I'm still just "here"... plugging away and trying to make as much money in my job as I can so I can afford to get back to Russia again as much as possible :-)

So that's not left much time for hanging out online in chat boards like this place.  But I still remember all you guys and wish y'all the best.

Things with Inna have basically become just like a "normal" relationship... albeit far apart from each other, which sucks.  But we talk every day either online or by phone (my phone bill is ugly) and we've been "dating" now for a year... so... it's just like a normal relationship.  And maybe in a few months I'll be moving over there for a while OR we might try and see if I can get her a visa to come here... we're talking about all that stuff but not in any huge hurry to decide either way quite yet.

Anyway... so that's the basic lowdown.  I'll try to come back here more often again in the future if I can... except for I see y'all still have the same problems with idiot troll morons like this RON clown... see my post below about that.

Unfortunately that's also another reason why I sorta gave up on this board... too much B.S. and troll morons saying stupid sh1t all the time... it's really too bad.

Anyway... good luck to you and everyone here... I'll be around :-)

-JCC

... in response to Re: John C.C., posted by JohnCC on Nov 19, 2001

i thought the reason you left the board was because you couldn't take all the heat you were getting from so many of the other guys on this board because you were falling in love with an 18 year old girl

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

I appreciate your kind words.
I am glad it all worked out fine for you; I wish you success.
The address for my wife's travel website is www.travelandtrips.com; I will extend the same courtesy to any PL poster by waiving any service fees for the tickets; we usually deal with consolidators so it is often simpler to do so.

Mark

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

you are right, three weeks with your 'girl'.

as i re-call you fell in love on the internet with an 18 year-old girl from moldova ( maybe she had a birthday and is 19 by now!). your a man of 38, she's a girl of 18, yep, that sounds like a marriage that will last!

not the 20 year age differnce mind you, just the fact that you might marry a girl, not a woman, that makes me question what some of you guys are thinking with.

... in response to your kidding!!, posted by ron on Nov 19, 2001

Hey Ron... dva slava d'leah vas, moy droog... slooshetye, xopowo?

"4 Q"

Panemayesh?  Two words?

Ignorant "knee-jerk" reactionists like you are ONE of the reasons why I stopped hanging out here.  You have no idea what you are talking about.

YES what you mention DOES happen, but I am perfectly well aware of the pitfalls and this situation is NOT one of them. The age difference in my case with my girlfriend is absolutely 100% of zero consequence to our relationship.

So keep your dumbass opinions about ME to yourself, okay?  I don't need it from you or anybody.

Christ almighty... y'know... I come back here and make ONE post for my friends here and for the benefit of Mark and already I get hit by some dumbass troll moron.

BUT this is the only reaction he'll get from me, for sure... you guys who know me know that I usually handle trolls the only way they can be properly handled.  With SILENCE.

But I wanted to make this POINT about how it really wrecks a good board and drives people away... these moronic a55holes... it's a damm shame... because I remember this board really IS a pretty good group of guys.

Later, droogs...

-JCC

... in response to Re: your kidding!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 19, 2001

Is it true about the age difference? If so, this guy is not a troll, but someone who is just stating his opinion about age differences which, whether you like it or not have some validity. Sounds like you are just real sensitive to this issue by your response. Yes an age difference like this can work but, not usually my friend - however it may  for you.

... in response to Hey John?, posted by thesearch on Nov 19, 2001

...John, I wish you luck and don't want to wind you up but a few observations if I may.

I have a lot of experience with young women, my last live in mate was 20 years younger than me, the one before that was 10 years. Both of these lasted 5 years each. In fact, in spite of this, I'm doing it again but as before, *not* for marriage. My current American girlfriend is 19 years younger and already, after 3 months, I'm beginning to recognize the same subtle issues creeping up. She is amazingly mature for her age, but there is more to the equation than maturity.

Common frame of references in historical events, music, tastes, activities, ect. In the end, after a slow process of years, these began to cause problems. And this was while they were continuing to mature. (These were all A/W, so one can imagine the added issues when dealing with another culture.)

In addition, one should consider the practical aspects regarding the future. I never married any of these women for that very reason. Most guys see only the present when they get involved with a youngster. Sadly, all the love and devotion in the world will not stop the clock.

I don't know you (or her), but people are people on a core level everywhere and I can assure you what you are doing carries a high level of risk. (I think you already know that.) Not of scamming, just of simple failure. And if it does, you will be in a far worse position than she regarding a "replacement". This entire endeavor is tricky enough as it is, why load the odds even more?

Finally, attemtping to be objective in a logical sort of way, please remember that *every* guy in your situation is *sure* he is an "exception" also. Look at how KenC feels. (Ken, I'm not taking a swipe, just making an observation.:-)

lol..I know, I know, you love her, logic is useless.
I understand completely, just pointing some stuff out based on my experiences and I hope you'll take this in that way.

Good luck to you both.

... in response to Hey John...., posted by LP on Nov 20, 2001

n/t

... in response to your kidding!!, posted by ron on Nov 19, 2001

I think that girls in FSU tend to mature earlier.
It is not uncommon for 20 year old girls to be married. It would be interesting to know what other AM's experiences have been with younger girls.

Mark

... in response to Re: your kidding!!, posted by mdante99 on Nov 19, 2001

mark my experience has taught me that sincere russian 19 and 20 year old girls are thinking of 20 and 21 year old russian boys.

the 19 and 20 year old russian girls who were looking for foreign men of 40 or 45 were usually scammers.

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

So, you've got smitten good with that lady, haven't you?
How is the your Russian? (Or Moldavian?)

Wish you the best in your pursuit and to your lady!

... in response to Ce mai faci, bine? Or, should I say, Kak..., posted by Vox on Nov 19, 2001

Privet Vox:

Da... s'ieches ya gavaru pa'roosky oachen horosho... noa... moizhet buit "tolka nym'mnoga"... ti znayesh ;-)

(Pravda... ya znayoo tolka nyeskelka slava... noa etta dastatichna d'lyea mya dyevushka ;) )

-JCC

... in response to Thanks Mark!!!, posted by JohnCC on Nov 18, 2001

Good to hear from you again. Hope all goes well, I was wondering what was going on with you. Have a great trip