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Title: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Oscar on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM I have felt from many guys that the big cities like Moscow, Kiev, Odessa and St. Petes are pretty fished out with TONS of American guys going there etc..
I was wondering if anyone here has been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov and if they felt there were less foreign guys there and if the women were different in any way from the big cities I mentioned? Any thoughts on your experience in these cities would be appreciated, good or bad. Any help appreciated as I am trying to decide what city to go to right now.. Thanks, Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Steve Bradley on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
Oscar, Sumy is a great town. I don't believe they are so different. They love nature, being outside and looking as beautiful as they can all ofthe time. There was actually an article in a Russian book or magazine (my mother-in-law still has it) that said the most beautiful women in Ukraine were in Sumy. Of course I would agree since that is where my wife is from. But honestly they are wonderful. Although my wife does miss being able to just walk out the door and get on the local transportation to go somewhere. We live in Virginia not far from DC and if you want something you gotta get in the car. She's getting more used to it but wishes there were more sidewalks around ;-) Kharkov - Haven't been there but it's much bigger than Sumy and according to my wife's reference they are completely different because of it. If you like you can write to her directly if you have specific questions about her town. she is at irena@irena.ws. Good Luck Title: Re: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Johninm on October 31, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or ..., posted by Steve Bradley on Oct 30, 2001
I agree,... city center is renovated and well mantained , ..clean town in comparison to other places in Ukraine, many attractive ladies walking there ...in summer is especially nice..many outdoor cafes...people walking...ryetchka( local river) is fun ...marshrootka( commuting vans) is fun...rynok(local open market) is fun...Yeah, it`s one of my favorite towns John Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Johninm on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
Big cities suck..women are used to foreigners..spoiled..many pros or semi-pros..more scammers , more crooks , bigger "competition". There may be some "gems" ..but these are harder to find than in smaller towns . Moscow may have the most expensive hotel rates in Europe . I`ve lived few months in Klaipeda ( major Lithuanian port town ). Visited Vilnius, Kaunas , Palanga - ( besides Crimea, another ex-soviet recreation resort, now Lithuanian ), Liepaya - Latvia( big soviet baltic submarine base was there ), Kaliningrad ( Koenigsberg )- Western Russian enclave ( taken by Stalin from Germans after WW2 ) - dirty ,"ugly" town these days...`ve been to Grodna and Brest( Belarus border towns )..lately traveled to Kiev and Sumy. Baltics are mixture of ethnic-local women ( majority ), Russians, mixture of both or other FSU . As far as physical beauty ( I think we agree that`s starting point ) they were O.K. The most atractive women I`ve seen ..(and more sincere..seemed like it ), were mid-size towns in Belarus and Ukraine . Somehow it seems to me ..more to the East ..they are less spoiled ..more atractive they are . Of course there are two "infamous" scammer towns Lugank and Gomel..or to the very Far East there is Vladivostok -supposedly have many attractive ladies there ( few Russians, here in the US told me that ), but Vladik ( as Russians call that city ) may have big city stigma..major commercial, marine , fish industry , military center in the region . They even have American Consulate there. Port town Odessa, besides Kiev, is kinda intelectual center of Ukraine( or FSU for that matter ). Schools , many theathers, famous artists come from there. Kharkov , Dniepropetrovk are industrial cities of Ukraine..kinda dirty..Kharkov has a big open market for diffrent goods though . Many people from diffrent towns come to Kharkov for shopping..and here we come - SUMY , town of 350K ..with ryetchka( little river )popular summer outdoor place for locals , ...well each place to your own..I thought I would find my better half in South America ( actually , I have mutual interest in both Eastern European and Latin cultures ) . I traveled few times to Cali ( Colombia )and Kuritiba ( Brazil )..no "magic" there for me.. I met HER in SUMY . She speaks fluent English and German ( both languages university graduate..wow !!)..I speak Russian ( studied few years )..well what can I say.. I`m on the road again..leaving to Sumy this wed. John Title: How do you find time to earn any money?? :-)) Post by: Go2Rus on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or ..., posted by Johninm on Oct 30, 2001
But seriously, this is great stuff. Do you write for travel guides or what? Be sure to drop by often with tidbits on the various cities. Title: Re: How do you find time to earn any money?? :-)) Post by: Johninm on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to How do you find time to earn any money??..., posted by Go2Rus on Oct 30, 2001
I own small business here on West Coast..employ Ukrainians, Russians and Latins..just the the right people to practice my spanish and russian ..right !? LOL . But on the serious note ,I`ve done some business with CIS and in general have great interest in both cultures . I love to travel .I`m frequent flier junky ..and "social creature" with locals there John Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Johninm on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
As far as an agency in Sumy goes you may check www.irena.ws/index1.htm John Title: Been to Riga Post by: BubbaGump on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
I wrote a several times about Riga, so check the archives. Title: Oscar do this to search for Riga posts Post by: BubbaGump on October 31, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Been to Riga, posted by BubbaGump on Oct 29, 2001
Go to the top of the page where it has "Search Archives" and click on it. Select the "Russian" board to search and use the search word "Riga". A bunch of past posts about Riga will be shown and just click on the links. Copy and paste the useful information to a word or text file and read it over. I recommended "Hotel Riga" or the "Eurolink Hotel" which is in the same building because it is in a good location close to old Riga, clubs, restaurants and shopping. The airport is only 20 minutes away and the train and bus stations are about a 20 minute walk away. It has a currency exchange in the lobby and a computer for internet access. I thought the Sheraton on the river was not as good a choice because you have to walk much farther. Bubba Title: Thanks Bubba!! I will search the archives! Post by: Oscar on October 31, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: James B on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
Oscar, I am engaged to marry a woman from Sumy, Ukraine. I haven't been to any of the large cities so don't have anything to compare my fiancee' to, but she is an absolute gem. I have been there three times and the streets are full of very beautiful women. You will find that the english proficiency of these women in small towns might not be as high as the big ones, but I would never do it again. I know of an agency and english translator that can be of service to you if you decide to look. The agency my fiancee and I have been using can assist you with transportation to Sumy. It's a beautiful city, with a nice river to swim in during the summer. If you want to find the pic of me and my fiancee' you can look in slavicladies.com. I am helping this man with his internet business, but he now has taken off and has many good women starting to frequent his agency. You can tell him that I recommended you if you like. Title: Thanks James, I have emailed you! Post by: Oscar on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or ..., posted by James B on Oct 29, 2001
Oscar Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: mdante99 on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
I have always maintained that going to big city is not as productive. I chose Riga, Latvia and Vilnius, Lithuania. It is better to get to know the girls via e-mails. For most of those girls, you may one of the few AM writing to them. The baltic girls are also remarkably beautiful; tall, slim and blond with blue eyes and nice figure. I am married to a Lithuanian girl; you can see her photo at www.travelandtrips.com Mark Title: Thanks Mark- Please read... Post by: Oscar on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or ..., posted by mdante99 on Oct 29, 2001
Thanks for the info. So have you been to Riga Latvia then? I have been considering that. Don't know anything about Lithuania but it seems that's where you found your girl.. Did you use an agency in Riga or go it alone? Any interpreters or people you could recommend to help that are reliable there, etc..? Did you find any kind of good email deals?? Thanks, Oscar Title: Re: Thanks Mark- Please read... Post by: mdante99 on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Thanks Mark- Please read..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
I have been to Riga and Vilnius. I got to know the women before going there via e-mails. There are several membership sites, like absolute agency etc. that have their profiles. I knew about four women before I went there, well via e-mails. They all could communicate in English; I never needed an interpreter. I prefer Lithuania; because it has more people and more choices; but Riga is more beautiful a city. The Latvian and the Lithuanian women look similar; tall, blond and very attractive. Mark Title: Re: Re: Thanks Mark- Please read... Post by: ron on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Thanks Mark- Please read..., posted by mdante99 on Oct 30, 2001
mark would you recommend this absolute agency? when did you last use this agency and have good results? how would you rate and compare the beauty of st.petersburg to riga? Title: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Mark- Please read... Post by: mdante99 on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Thanks Mark- Please read..., posted by ron on Oct 30, 2001
I found Absolute agency and kiss.com to be very good; but I used them about one year ago; and I have no knowledge of how they are now :-). St. Petersburg is one of the most beautiful cities in the world; in my opinion the most beautiful city in FSU. The short answer is; don't spread yourself thin; pick one or two cities and concentrate on women there; because you can't go to too many places. Have at least 4-5 girls you plan on meeting before you get there. Mark Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Mark- Please read... Post by: ron on October 31, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Thanks Mark- Please read..., posted by mdante99 on Oct 30, 2001
i think you must be a lucky man, not only in finding a beautiful wife but also that you did not get scam to badly by one of the biggest scam agencies. kiss.com has some scammers but nothing compared to absolute agency. for the fun of it go to some of the top three or four sites that have scam women posted and look at the women, then go to the absolute agency site. if you do this you will be amazed at the number of women on the absolite site that are also on these scam sites. Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Cherokee on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
Oscar, A friend of mine is married to a gal from Sumy and he has a small agency there, if your interested send me an email and I give you his addy. Good luck! Title: Thanks Cherokee, I have sent you an email... Post by: Oscar on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or ..., posted by Cherokee on Oct 29, 2001
Oscar Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Oscar on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
Thanks for your imput DE, Katya and Reagan.. I appreciate your thoughts.. Any of you have any thoughts about Sumy, Riga or Minsk?? I'm sure there must be fewer men going to these places than Kiev or St. Petes. I have been to Kiev and although there are some nice girls there I am sure, it just seemed like there was an American guy on every street corner! I don't mind competition, it's just that so many of the girls seemed somewhat spoiled by all the attention (and money) these guys have been throwing at them and I would like to avoid that if possible! You all mention women from "smaller towns". Well, how does one go about finding these girls?? Again, thanks for the imput! Paca, Title: Re: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Katya on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or ..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
I believe that it's best to find your lady by email first. After you've found a girl you like, go out to meet her. Look in the agencies for girls from smaller towns if you that is what you like. Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: DE on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
Been to Kharkov three times and doubt that I will be going back. Disadvantages: It's a very large industrial based city, but without the attractions and uniqueness of Kiev. Much dustier and with less reconstruction than Kiev. There are at least 10 agencies in town with two being quite large. Have met numerous foriegn men there since the only real area to hang is a short two-three block area. Girls are definately city girls. Have ran into a few scammers there, but not many. Advantages: Title: Re: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Quasimoto on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or ..., posted by DE on Oct 29, 2001
Know I know who you are DE! :) It wouldn't be a sweet little gal by the name of Irina would it? Steve Title: Da! Post by: DE on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy..., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 29, 2001
. Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Katya on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
There are still very many nice girls in Odessa. Country girls are often different from city girls. You should write to some girls from both the city & country & learn about them. Country girls tend to be less well educated than city girls, but that is only a generalisation. I don't mean to upset anyone with a country girlfriend. Katya Title: Re: Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Kharkov? Post by: Reagan on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Anyone been to Minsk, Riga, Sumy or Khar..., posted by Oscar on Oct 29, 2001
In my humble opinion, the big cities are good for one night stands and lots of partying. I think you are more likely to find a wife in a smaller city. I once corresponded with and visited (twice) a Russian girl that lived in a smaller city. We started a relationship and got engaged. During the fiancee' visa process, she moved to Moscow for her job. Talk about a change. She started smoking. She aged. She turned into a real skeezer. It was sad, but I learned my lesson with that one. I am generalizing about big city girls I know. I am sure there are lots of decent girls in Moscow and St.Petersburg, I personally have had better luck with girls from smaller cities. Good Luck Kevin Title: She visably aged?? What , within a year or so?? Post by: Go2Rus on October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Title: Like you wouldn't believe. Post by: Reagan on October 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to She visably aged?? What , within a year..., posted by Go2Rus on Oct 29, 2001
I have the pictures to prove it. It was really sad because when I met her she was so fresh and full of life, but after one year in Moscow she was smoking and just generally looking ragged out. I don't know what happened, but she was not an honest person as I found out much to my chagrin. Cheers Kevin |