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Politics is dirty yet part of reality and history.
America used to help the Afghanistans against the Russians, then criticized the latter when tried to keep the Chechens in their place and in order, then helped Albanians and Moslems (a most stupid action) against Serbians until now the fundamentalist Moslems are all over these places, Europe and everywhere else almost.
Now Russians’ enemies are against us too, and we have to (finally) scramble and look for allies against the terrorists. Guess what, our good buddies from Western Europe are not itching to help, with the exception of Britain in some limited scale, the rest of it is too politically correct to act and really do something (no wonder, since in such a place it’s more important to appease the Arabskiy, the Turkskiy and the rest of the Moslemiskiy, where even Reuter press agency refuses to call the attackers of 9/11/01 terrorists—they argue in other’s view they are freedom fighters—go figure!!!).
So, lo and behold, who are our new partners? The Russians, yes, how unexpected!
But I think for us, those at this board, the enlighted ones in the knowledge of the real source for the matters of the heart, it’s a very good thing. And right now there are events and developments which can and probably will affect our future, hopefully for good. There are developments which we should follow, they are affecting us, yes they will, seemingly soon.
I personally think that the Cold War was a greatest stupidity (and I grew up on the other side of it, just in case you wonder), am glad it's over, it was so silly for us to be made enemies with each other, there are more affinities between US and Russian than other countries, that we need each other and can (rather) should cooperate against the new, real enemies.
But think about the implications of the following, they are no small matter if it will happen;

If you go at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ Monday 10/29/01, first page news, in the middle there is an interesting article about a possible joint operation between US and Russian forces in Afghanistan necessary since only Russian can pull a million troops army, as follows:
FROM DEBKA INTELLIGENCE FILES
Russia's million-man Afghan army
U.S., UK realize Moscow's troops essential for campaign
The U.S. and United Kingdom will turn to Russia as the primary provider of ground troops in the Afghan campaign, reports DEBKA-Net-Weekly– and Moscow is preparing to mobilize up to 1 million soldiers for the invasion and occupation.
U.S. and UK military and intelligence sources have concluded that at least 400,000 ground troops will be needed for a successful campaign in Afghanistan, according to DEBKA. But even a combined force between the U.S. and UK cannot mobilize numbers like that without the politically risky method of conscription.
Therefore, reports the intelligence service, Russia is stepping into the void.
Moscow, DEBKA reports, has been holding planning sessions around the clock for 10 days on the new mobilization.
The conditions posed by Russian army chiefs for meeting President Vladimir Putin's demand for this force were:
· The entire force would not be fully engaged before winter was over – meaning April 2002 at the earliest.
· The United States would carry all the costs – not only for the creation and training of the Afghanistan expedition army, but also for setting up a comparable force for operation in the former Soviet republics of Central Asia and Chechnya. (end of article)
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In another article from Thursday 10/25/01 in New York Times it is reported how since 1999, the Green Berets were in training in Uzbekistan, even from 1996 there was military exchange and cooperation between US and Uzbekistan, yet little was known.

Long Before War, Green Berets Built Military Ties to Uzbekistan

By C.J.CHIVERS

TASHKENT, Uzbekistan, Oct. 24 — In 1999, teams of Green Berets arrived at former Soviet garrisons outside the capital here. They were some of the Army's finest soldiers,
they traveled in small groups and in the two years that followed they came and went every few months.
The mission was straightforward: to train the army of a former foe, in part to prepare its inexperienced conscripts for skirmishes with the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, a
terrorist group accused of setting off bombs in Tashkent earlier that year.
The long-term goal was more ambitious.
The Green Berets were one element of an accelerating security arrangement in which the two nations were laying the groundwork for more extensive military cooperation.
In recent weeks this relationship has blossomed into the large-scale American deployment of Special Forces wilts and aircraft on what was once enemy soil.
Years before the United States' war against the Taliban, at a time when the State Department was worrying over the dreary human rights record of President Islam Karimov's authoritarian government, the effort at military cooperation was already
expanding, according to officials and military personnel from both countries.
As Green Berets were familiarizing themselves with their new Central Asian partners, officials from the United States Central Command in Florida and the American Embas-
sy in Tashkent were meeting with Uzbek defense officials, coordinating military programs. Soon, under a military education program that began here in 1995, more Uzbek officers were admitted to military schools in the United States, officials
from both countries said. More American troops were attending training exercises in Uzbekistan's mountains and steppes.
The United States also helped the Uzbek military and border guards acquire nonlethal equipment, including helmets, flak jackets, Humvee transport vehicles, night-vision goggles and radiation detectors used to search for smuggled nuclear material.
Two weeks ago, the two countries announced an agreement that permitted American forces greater flexibility in operating from Uzbek bases, in return for assurances to protect Uzbekistan’s security. And while the agreement stops short of being a mutual defense pact, it establishes “ a qualitatively new relation-

... in response to Re: Glad to see some 1 is awake and awar..., posted by spyke on Oct 30, 2001

Well, isn't it amazing, the whole world is upside down from what it was 20 years ago, the maps are redrawn, new friends, new enemies, and we fight our biggest fight with some cavemen, neo-savages, because we were not able to protect our freedom and foresee (as well as prevent) the horrors of the political correctness idiocy?!!!
Yet so many still think in the same framework of the yesterday, while forgeting we are in a new century, even a new millennium!
Anyway the way Russia is getting closer to US is amazing, and I hope it can possibly have good repercussions. The only real enemies of US within Russia are the fossils of the Soviet Army, the old, retired burocratsiya, those who lived in a world of their own making, detached then as well as now from the real world.
Russia finally needs a true, new economy (infrastructure) and if we helped so many of the other countries of the world before, why not Russia?
Think about how much went into the Chinese behemot during 8 years of infamy, and they are still as adverse to us as before, and a common enemy (to the Russians too).

Perhaps while helping them (the Russians) with the needed economic infrastructure, the new will help us revalue some of the moral values and structures (those which they have good, obviously not all are) they kept intact.

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