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One of my best friends in Kyiv just me my fiancee for the first time yesterday, and here is what he had to say about the village vs. city women.

"You know Steve, you can not find such a woman in the city without much difficulty. Tanya is not corrupted by the life, problems, greed, and attitudes of the city like the women I see every day. I think you choose (sic) to look look in the right place."

I knew it when I met her. There was a post below on women of Uzbekistan. I think that the women in these areas and smaller cities are the real gold mine. Can you find a good one in Moscow? I am sure you can. But the odds are less that she has the same character and honesty. But I will say again. I believe in general that the best women are those you meet accidently, on the street. A vendor at a flower stand. My first trip I saw a woman in Lviv selling soft-drinks at a side walk stand. She had no ring on, and she was very shy and absolutely beautiful. She could make the cover of Anastasia or any other publication. She was about 30 I would guess, and very well maintained! But I was too inhibited to say anything to her. I just walked away and kept looking back. She wasn't only quite attractive, but she was really sweet! I also met a woman selling flowers in Kharkov who just knocked my socks off. She was a really pretty petite little blond. Very, very shy, but sweet just like the other gal. She wasn't looking for an American, and I had some problems with my interpreter, or I would have pursued her to the end! I met a really nice gal in the train station that was cute, not beautiful, but cute, who was from western Ukraine. She sold vegetables on the streets of Moscow. She was separated from her children all summer. I am telling you, her disposition and character were first rate. I spent five hours with her, but I did not realize she when her train was leaving, and the next minute she was gone, or I would have gone to see her in Ukraine. After you have been there a few times, I think it is the best way to meet women of real character. Of the 5 women who impressed me the most, 3 were from villages, and 4 of these 5 were on the streets.

Steve

... in response to City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tours, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

I just got back from Kyiv and while walking around Obolon (suburb of Kyiv) with my fiancee saw many incredible ladies. These ladies seemed very approachable (although this always seems to be the case when you are already with someone). The thing that impressed me was that these ladies all seemed to have jobs and lives other than hanging out on Kreshdyk (sp?) drinking beer and looking for someone to take care of them. Just an observation for anyone headed to Kyiv.

... in response to Streets vs. Tours/Agencies, posted by Rags on Oct 19, 2001

Interesting! Which direction is Obolon from Kyiv center?

Steve

... in response to Re: Streets vs. Tours/Agencies, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 19, 2001

North? Upriver between the main river and I assume a series of sloughs and shipping basins. Obolon starts just past that single riser suspension bridge. Four stops from Kreshadyk on red line I think. New Obolon being built is very upscale. Nice beach and river walk. Air much (relatively) better than city center.

I'm talking some REALLY fine lookers and very friendly (with their eyes). Nice selection between 25-32 with or without kids. If you could rent a puppy you would be in like Flynn. Maybe not though as dogs do not seem to get along too well. Probably too protective from being raised in highrises.

I met a couple of V's girlfriends from Obolon (married) and all had great personalities and caracter.

... in response to Re: Obolon, posted by Rags on Oct 19, 2001

Sounds great, but I am taken by a little by little (5'7") gal from Gora. Anyway, thanks for the geo lesson.

Steve

... in response to City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tours, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

Dear Board:
Befoe you accept Steve's advice on seeking FSU women from small villages think about this:

It is difficult enough for a RU/W to make the transition from their country to ours without adding more obsticals to the mix.  Think about taking a woman from the hills of Kentucky (no offense to Kentucky) to your country club.  Or to a business dinner.  You have to understand just how backward some of the small villages are in FSU.  My father in law is from a village and after 30 YEARS in a Russian city of 500,000, he still is almost an outcast.  And his village is only an hour from the city he lives in now!  The culture shock is bad enough without compounding it with a small village woman.  Imagine trying to explain how to use the DVD and surround sound to a woman that was milking goats before.  I am sure there are many great women in villages in the FSU countries.  I am sure some of them could adapt to an American lifestyle.  But this process is difficult enough without adding more difficulties to it.
KenC

... in response to before you seek out a village girl........., posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

That would save me some time mowing grass.
I live in a small town right next to Houston. We have feed stores, farm suppliers, and other evidences of rural life but we have all the urban conveniences just 10 miles away. I'm close enough to Houston to have 1.5Mbps DSL here.

The nice advantage I have is that a big city girl would tolerate the area and enjoy the coziness and a small village girl would not be intimidated by urban stress.
My next door neighbor has chickens and a rooster that crows at 5 am every morning.

I don't think I would have that much of a problem with a small village girl here. My Orthodox Church is only 5 miles away and I have many Russian and Ukrainian friends nearby that could help ease some of the culture shock. One thing about learning to speak Russian and Ukrainian, you can marry a girl who doesn't know English.

-blm

... in response to before you seek out a village girl........., posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

What about all those loving and nuturing family values that are present in the village gals???

I gotta laugh on your statement about the poppa from the village.My father-in-law still can't get a grip on the fact yet here that we have few buses here and "everyone' drives autos.But,he sends me a kiss and a choot-choot over the phone always.Very loving people...

I've met and spent time with RW from Moscow and St.Ptsbrg. and their families before meeting my wife who's poppa and family is Armenian and comes from the village 1/2 hour outta city limits.NO COMPARISON to the village gals,they are simply so much less "spoiled" or "complicated" and so much "more" family related.

I suppose it is all in what one is looking for...
I'm extremely happy with the in-laws and wife from the "village"...

... in response to So True Ken...But..., posted by RickM on Oct 18, 2001

Rick, your wife comes from almost identical geogrphical circumstances as my fiancee - one half hour out of the city. You just have to know what you are looking for, have a real clue, and not settle for some cute Ellie Mae Clampet.

Steve

... in response to Re: So True Ken...But..., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001

Steve,
Ellie Mae was pretty hot though.  Don't go messing with my pre-teen fantasies.  LOL
KenC

... in response to don't be knocking Ellie Mae!  LOL, posted by KenC on Oct 18, 2001

The reason she was your and my pre-teen fantasy is because she was cute, and we thought we could talk her pants off.

Steve

... in response to So True Ken...But..., posted by RickM on Oct 18, 2001

Rick,
I am happy for you.  I also get along great with the In-Laws.  As I said, my Father in law is a good guy too.  He is rather simple with few goals, but has always been great to me.  My Mother in law is from the city and much more complicated as you say.  She is well educated and much more "worldly".  Her character and morals are of the highest level and she is all about "family first".  There are good and bad people from cities and villages.  It is kind of like making an argument for blonds over brunettes! LOL  
My wife came from a city of 500,000 and was a few hours from Moscow.  It is a combination that worked for me.  Her nurturing and family values are great.  How is your wife doing with regard to acclamating to America?  Best wishes.
KenC

... in response to Re: So True Ken...But..., posted by KenC on Oct 18, 2001

Thanks Ken!!!
Things around here are simply great.The wife hasn't displayed a hint of homesickness yet.She simply loves America and has that Ectaco er-586 in her hands always.It's amazing,she couldn't speak 3 words of English a year ago and now she is talking on the phone,shopping,getting ready for driving lessons,etc...She works hard...

We got a new born due late January so it has not been boring.MY biggest disappointment is that we can't travel back for a little while with the baby on the way.Oh well...

Seems to have been a good topic.Everyone is expressing their different views which means most know what they're looking for and that is great.It is such a pity when one travels so far,spends so much and ends up with things not working out...
Thanks again for the phone card info...Wow!!! What a difference!!!
Best to all...

... in response to before you seek out a village girl........., posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

Well all I can say about this is some of it is just not true. My fiancee is from a village of 5,000. She is a customs agent, with 5 years of college education. She lives 30 km from Kyiv. She is very intelligent, learned, sophisticated, cultured, and is the nicest woman 4 of my Ukrainian friends say they have ever met. She does like to cook and especially sew, but I don't think that makes her bad. She is not "a woman from the hills of Kentucky". I have relatives in West Virginia and the Ozarks of southern Misouri, and not offense, but they are HICKS. She does not have a DVD, but she does have a VCR. She never had a cell phone before I bought one for her (she can not receive international calls through the local system), but she can use her Motorola better than I can my Motorola. Of the small city (village girls I have met, none of them seemed like hicks. One of the women I talked about above was from Lviv and not a village. It was a combination of finding attractive (looks and personality) from alternatives to the bigger cities. The two qualities everyone mentions when they talk about Tanya are: sincerity and naturalness.

To say that the women I met are something other than fine ladies, is to say my taste and judgement are in error. Are there women like KenC says? I am sure there are.

Now if anyone here, including Ken, thinks that they are out of my league in sophistication, culture, or knowledge, then perhaps you would like to engage in dialogue about the 6 types of quarks or other astro-physics issues; the major steps and movements in ballet; the origins of jass (jazz), Russian composers; argue the moral lessons of Dostoevsky's literature; Mayan and Aztec archeology; or any other subject you might want to discuss. I am not saying I am like DavidSD and brilliant. But Montana winters are long, and in isolation there is a lot to do besides whittle. So all I am saying is I am a rather cultured man. I prefer women who are smart and cultured. But most important of all, they have to be "real" to get in the door.

Steve

... in response to Re: before you seek out a village girl....., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

"Now if anyone here...."   Now that's a good way to convince people that you're smart.  Especially when the argument would be done on a discussion board with the allmighty information resource at everyones' disposal.  I'm not trying to start a confrontaion with you, just point out the weakness of your challenge.
Are you a physicist?  I wasn't aware of the association between sub-atomic particles and "astro-physics," nor was I aware that anyone that could argue about quantum mechanics would use such an abominable term.

... in response to Re: Re: before you seek out a village gi..., posted by Cain on Oct 18, 2001

If you had been around awhile, you might understand a little better why I did it. But as a newbie, you are unfamiliar with some of the interaction of rather excited particles around here.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: before you seek out a village gi..., posted by Cain on Oct 18, 2001

"I wasn't aware of the association between sub-atomic particles and 'astro-physics,'"

[geek alert]
Oh yes!  Astronomy is more than "what is out there."  It is also about "how it works".  To understand what powers the stars, what causes gamma ray burst events, or what creates Hawkings radiation at the event horizon of a black hole requires knowledge of sub-atomic physics or Quantum mechanics.

See also:
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/index.html
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/faq.html

[/geek alert]

... in response to Stars & Physics, posted by Bob S. on Oct 18, 2001

Yeah yeah,

Everything is based in the smaller discrete packets of matter, whatever they may be.  I was in the middle of a longer reply to this post, but I lost my dial-up connection(dial-up is the best, well, better than two cans attached by a string, usually)...so I'll make this short.  The reason I posted that message was to point out the stupidity of flexing-nuts about your intellect in a forum like this.  It's a waste of time to try to show off your intelligence, especially on a discussion board.  I wasn't attacking Quasi, I was just pointing out something because I had nothing better to do at the time.  I study the interactions of quarks too, if you want to look at it that way, my field is mechanical engineering.  The only way I choose to argue about my intellect is to say "I'm not stupid, or I hope not anyways; if I was I would probably go through life ignorant to that fact."  

-Cain

Don't worry, I sound the geek alert too, especially in person.

... in response to Re: Re: before you seek out a village gi..., posted by Cain on Oct 18, 2001

I forgot to say something about Quantum mechanics.

Just a little experiment: Well, I am running back and forth across the living room near the speed of light, while carrying my keyboard typing away. Now why don't you quantatatively explain my "state" (position and velocity) with complete accuracy. Perhaps you can talk to Schrodinger about it.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Quantum physics, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001


If you are moving at near the speed of light, it should take you days to reply to posts as your typing would slow down to a crawl relative to our time frame. :-D
BTW, it's Heisenberg, not Schrodinger, that concerns position and velocity, and it is only relative to subatomic particles.  Though both subatomic particles and macroscopic objects are subject to the laws of General and Special Relativity.
Schrodinger was the one with the cat. :-)

... in response to Re: Quantum physics, posted by Bob S. on Oct 18, 2001

Now here is someone that knows what he is talking about. Bob S, who are you and what do you do? I am impressed. I see here that you mentioned Schroedinger's cat. Thanks!

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Quantum physics, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001

"who are you and what do you do?"

Oh, just an over-educated aerospace engineer waiting to get laid off (you'll note the .boeing. in my server address).  I enjoy lurking over at the badastronomy.com discussion board with my fellow science and astronomy geeks (who spend way too much time flaming hoax believers who think we never landed on the moon).  But some of them are real physicists and astronomers, and when they get going it gets way over my head.  Their discussions of Gravitational Red Shift of the light of distant galaxies leaves me stumped.

"I see here that you mentioned Schroedinger's cat."

Yeah, and in a way it is applicable to this pursuit.  In Schroedinger's thought experiment, you have the cat in a box and drop inside a poison food pellet.  If it eats the pellet, the cat dies; if it doesn't eat it, it lives.  So is the cat alive or dead?  It is both and neither till you open the box to find out.  In the same way, you may be writing to some girl but not know for sure if she is the real deal or a scammer/opportunist.  You may never know until you "open the box" and get over there to meet her in person and spend quantity face-time together.

... in response to Physics, Cats, & RW, posted by Bob S. on Oct 18, 2001

I knew you had to have some aerospace, aviation, or astronomy connection. No one could know those facts without being connected somehow. I appreciated your expertice. I hear the "no landing" theory all the time. I like conspiracies, but that one takes the cake. I hope you don't get laid off, but if you do, you will have more time to post here and on the badastronomy.com board. Astrophysics is an interesting thing for me, because it is mostly theory. I read where Pulsars are thought by some to be composed of "strange" category quarks, because nothing else big enough (a few kilometers diameter) could emit that much energy, while turning at 24,000 rpms. And yet, neither have we ever seen a Pular as far as it's matter is concerned, nor have we ever seen a quark. It is kinda like looking in the box, finding no cat or any other creature, but a little scatt on the floor, and assuming it was left by the cat. How do you know it was a cat that left the scatt if you didn't see it? And what happened to the "cat" as well? A theory based on a theory. I hope you don't build airplanes that way. But if you do, let the Al-Queada know.

Steve

... in response to Re: Physics, Cats, & RW, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001

Pulsars are definitely among the strangest things a galaxy has to offer.  If you find that interesting, you might get a kick out of NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010913.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010905.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap980905.html

... in response to Re: Re: Physics, Cats, & RW, posted by Bob S. on Oct 18, 2001

Thanks,

We are going to get our butts kicked for talking about this stuff, but anything to do with pulsars, quasars, and black holes facinates me. I just learned recently that larger black holes have less gravitational pull, or tidal force, than a smaller black hole the size of our sun. I can not quite grasp this. If you have an idea, perhaps you could send me an email. I can only conclude that the infinite singularity of a black hole is constant or something, and that the energy of the tidal force or gravity is distributed over a larger event horizon. What do you think?

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Physics, Cats, & RW, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001

Intuitively it doesn't feel right.  But when we're talking about singularities, Relativity, and Quantum mechanics, intuition sort of has to take a holiday. (Does not compute... brains oozing out ears... uugh!)

Before we get yelled at by Patrick who has been very patient with us so far for cluttering up his bandwidth, I'd suggest you post your statement over on the BadAstronomy.com discussion board.  The real astronomers and physicists might have a better grasp of what you are talking about.  If you happen to also have a source of where you heard that (Sky & Telescope, Scientific American, etc.), that would help.  If you don't, dont worry.  Somebody there might.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Physics, Cats, & RW, posted by Bob S. on Oct 19, 2001

Will do, and no I don't remember. Just puzzled!

Steve

... in response to Re: Quantum physics, posted by Bob S. on Oct 18, 2001

I was talking about Schroedinger's cat, and his argument that you can not give a exact definition of laws not applying to larger physical things just as you said. He was European, but I do not know from where. You were exactly right. I do not apply to the laws of Quantum mechanics, nor can I move at the speed of light. It was intended as a joke and a little test. His theory also was that if you can not see it, you can not give an exact definition of it's properties.

Steve

... in response to Re: Quantum physics, posted by Bob S. on Oct 18, 2001

If he were really moving at the speed of light, he wouldn't be posting at all.  He would be too busy putting out the fire in his underwear due to friction with the air in the room!  :)     I have serious doubts that the keyboard could survive the stresses associated with stopping and reversing direction when he reached the other side of the room anyway.   LOL     (I always wanted to give smart-alec answers to the questions on my Physics tests…..now’s my chance!)

 How do these "I'm smarter than you" discussions get started anyway?  Why does knowing some obscure technical crap or some snooty boring cultural trivia make you a better person?  Truthfully it just shows insecurity.

                               SteveG

... in response to Re: Re: Quantum physics, posted by SteveG on Oct 18, 2001

You are so right. But the point was made to see if Cain recognized an important figure in Quantum physics named Schroedinger. The origins of my point were that I am intelectually demanding of a woman to some degree. She must be a thinker and intelligent, and not some "hick" from the sticks that village girls are made to be. You might not be able to find a cherry in every village girl, but my point is that some of the best cherries can be picked there.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Quantum physics, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001

n/t

... in response to "cherry", an interesting word ..., posted by KenC on Oct 18, 2001

I didn't think about it until after I wrote it. My fiancee has a 4 year old son, so that should be enough proof that she does not qualify.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: before you seek out a village gi..., posted by Cain on Oct 18, 2001

Wait, I don't get it. Are you saying that "astrophysics" is not a proper term? Or are you saying that sub-atomic particles are not related to astrophysics? No, I am not a physist, but I certainly understand that there is a relationship between sub-atomic, atomic particles, particle research, and astrophysical issues related to the universe and dark matter research. I am not declaring myself an expert. I am just saying that because a man likes a girl from the village he or she is not a hick from the sticks. So where does either term not relate to the other please.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Re: before you seek out a villag..., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001

Didn't think there was another here who studies Steven Hawkings. Have you read about the recent discovery of the new state of matter?

... in response to quantum mechanics, posted by JohnG on Oct 18, 2001

Stephen Hawking is one of the few who writes for layman idiots like me. What was the other guy's name who died about two years ago. I think these sciences are like building a skyscrapper brick by brick. It takes forever, and you had better not forget the location and characteristics of a single brick as you go up.

Steve

... in response to Re: before you seek out a village girl....., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

Steve,
Before you fly off the handle, think about this first: My post was not about YOU.  Why do you feel you have to defend yourself?  My post may not be true about your girl and I did say there were exceptions.
KenC

... in response to City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tours, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

I think the more relevant inquiry in the city vs village issue is where do you live?  If you live on a ranch in Wyoming or the mountains, you're probably going to have a difficult time with someone from a large city - they like the museums, the shopping, and culture and will miss that.  An RW who is a friend of my wife from Novisibirsk married a man from Brooksville, Florida - a town where the fish camp is the main cultural attraction - divorced in two years.  I would focus more on what her interests are and whether she will be happy wherever you live.  You will drive yourself nuts making generalizations.  Take stock of yourself and where you live and what you like to do, and then decide as best you can whether a particular girl that you like would be happy there.  If the answer is yes, whether she is from a village or a city will be of no consequence.

... in response to Re: City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tours, posted by Charles on Oct 17, 2001

I agree with you almost entirely Charles. But I also believe that the city women are less adaptable than the country women. Our cities are generally less hectic, but also less social than their large cities. Also, there are many cities that are larger than our cities. We only have about 18 cities in the US with more than 3,000,000 population. I would hate to start counting the cities in the FSU with such populations. Point: They are more urban than we are. Their lives are busier and more hectic. And their life style is a comfort zone as it is for most people.

Point well taken, but I still believe that that my points are just as valid.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tou..., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

I thought the US has twice as many people as Russia in a smaller land area. Are you saying more Americans are rural and small town dwellers than Russians?

... in response to Question, posted by Jeff S on Oct 18, 2001

True, but distribution is the issue. The US has a lot more scattered smaller towns, where Russia et al have very large cities of over 5,000,000 that most Americans have never heard of. That is just a reflection of the overall issue. How many cities of 500,000 cities are there? Yes, I am saying they are more urban than we are in overall demographics.

Steve

... in response to Re: Question, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001

Steve,
I would agree with you based on what I know about Russia.  Do you have any facts that back up this assumption?  I am just curious about it.
KenC

... in response to Re: Re: Question, posted by KenC on Oct 19, 2001

I looked up the stats in the CIA factbook and the UN demographics data base when this issue about RW being very urban or cosmopolitan came up the first time. One of the stimulus was the fact that on one sight the women were asked if they would marry farmers, and all but one said no.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tou..., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

Steve,
How can your points be valid when it is based on 5 women?  One that you never spoke to (or attempted to speak to), another that you had trouble speaking to through an interpreter and the third that you had a few hours of conversation before she skipped out on you.  I have met a few very nice women from Moscow and some real beetches from villages in Ukraine, but that fact doesn't give me the ammunition to come to ANY conclusion.  I think Charles is correct in stating that where the AM lives should dictate where he looks.  As an example, think about King Dande's problems with bringing a city girl to his farm.  As a rule you have to consider that RU/W are used to a lot of interaction with other people on a daily basis because they walk every where.  They meet friends and aquaintences daily in their walks.  I know my wife had some major adjustments to life in the suburbs because of the lack of contact with others.  She didn't come from a major city, but a city of 500,000.  The bi difference, as I see it, is here in America we cherish our privacy.  Where as in Russia/Ukraine, they are much more social.  Also dishonesty and insincerity are not limited to big city FSU women.
KenC

... in response to Re: Re: Re: City vs. Village, posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

You know Ken, I feel you like to cause a little trouble at times: "skipped out on you". KenC, this woman was scheduled to leave on a train at a given time. She was not with me. I met her when a group of 7 people formed around me in the train station in Moscow. She was sitting with an older woman sitting across from me. All I can say is that you say I did not speak to one of them. I did speak to all of them. I just liked their personalities. The women I was most impressed with were not women who advertised, or from the cities. They were not women who had received 2,000 letters due to advertising in the Anastasia catalog. I have no arguments with anything you or Charles say. So why do you insist on picking a fight? It is not what you say, but how you say it. Is it arrogance, or just a need to insult. But I still hold to MY view, which is not yours, and not Charles, and not GOD's, that women who advertise can be a better find, and that the smaller cities and villages farther from Moscow, St. Pete, and Kyiv provide the best ODDS to find a sincere woman. There are always exceptions. I think you could find a RW stripper working in Istanbul or New York who would be a great wife, if you looked hard enough.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Re: City vs. Village, posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

You know Ken, I feel you like to cause a little trouble at times: "skipped out on you". KenC, this woman was scheduled to leave on a train at a given time. She was not with me. I met her when a group of 7 people formed around me in the train station in Moscow. She was sitting with an older woman sitting across from me. All I can say is that you say I did not speak to one of them. I did speak to all of them. I just liked their personalities. The women I was most impressed with were not women who advertised, or from the cities. They were not women who had received 2,000 letters due to advertising in the Anastasia catalog. I have no arguments with anything you or Charles say. So why do you insist on picking a fight? It is not what you say, but how you say it. Is it arrogance, or just a need to insult. But I still hold to MY view, which is not yours, and not Charles, and not GOD's, that women who advertise can be a better find, and that the smaller cities and villages farther from Moscow, St. Pete, and Kyiv provide the best ODDS to find a sincere woman. There are always exceptions. I think you could find a RW stripper working in Istanbul or New York who would be a great wife, if you looked hard enough.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: City vs. Village, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

Steve,
Why is it when I don't agree with you, I am picking a fight?  I've got a news flash for you, you ain't always right.  I try very hard not to give advise on things I have no knowledge of.  I only ask you to do the same.  To say that "village girls" have better character and are more honest than city girls is absurd.  To base that opinion on meeting 5 girls (of which you didn't speak to one and little to 2 others, so really 2) is even more absurd.

I have known 3 Ukrainian girls here in America that have come from villages.  (MY definition of "know" is over many months and in many different social situations)  All 3 have been sleazes with very low character (cheating on husbands, drugs & very dishonest).  Even so, I would never come to ANY conclusion about Ukrainian village girls.  I would never tell posters here to stay away from Ukrainian village girls because they tend to be sleazy and dishonest.

It isn't your opinion that I object to, it is the mis-information that may mislead a newbie.  Between you and I, I knew you would wig out and take my comments personally.  I just don't care.
KenC

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: City vs. Village, posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

As I said before KenC, it is not your opinion I have a problem with. It is that you use exaggerated inflamatory language when addressing someone. That causes one to lose the focus of your point. Therefore I do not care about your elaborations on your point or this elaboration. What I do, is agree with you and Charles on the basic point, that ONE: you can not generalize, and yet we must in making a choice. If I chose to focus on Volgograd instead of Kyiv, that is a bias. If I like village girls (pops of less than 100,000) then that is my bias and MY opinion. TWO: However, your point, and the lessons of dande are extremely well taken and perhaps the most relavant point. Perhaps you are answering one issue with the other. I do believe the more populated areas are exposed to more men, more crap, and more social ills. And if you are a hard drinking, tatooed, 8th grade educated, individual looking for a Dolly Pardon look alike, who thinks that Schubert is a flavor of ice-cream......well then good luck!

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: City vs. Village, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

n/t

... in response to toughen up, Steve, quit being so insecur..., posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

Believe me KenC. Your opinion of me or any thing I say is not of issue. I just don't want you getting away with anything - especially when it comes to interacting with me!

Steve

... in response to Re: Nyet!, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

n/t