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I have been to Colombia only once, and I have used only one agency there.  My experience is limited in Colombia, but I talked to many other American men while there.

My trip was a disaster.  Colombia is an ugly country and the women are very overrated.  The worst part, however, was the agency.  I was about 24 hours away from getting engaged to a Colombian woman that the agency knew is a prostitute.  The agency told me that she was a "sales clerk in a nice store."

Why is Colombia touted so highly on these forums?  I don't understand it.  Based on my conversations with other American men there, my experience in Colombia is common.

Why do you trust the agencies in Colombia?

Pete

"I recently made my first trip to Colombia... the women are very overrated... I was about 24 hours away from getting engaged to a Colombian woman... The American women where I live are definitely hotter than the Colombian women in Medellín"

I haven't been to the agency scene for quite a while and perhaps things have changed since then. I have met a few bad ladies in this quest but I have never dated a prostitute (as far as I know) from an agency. The gringos I have talked to, despite a few setbacks, had good things to say about Colombia and the ladies. I'm not saying that none of the agency ladies are prostitutes. I'm sure some are but I have never known a gringo (personally) who had that experience. I have been reading this forum for years and almost all first-timers return from Colombia happy and enthusiastic about finding a future wife. You are one of the few who had a very bad experience on your first trip.

I strongly recommend you take another trip to a different Colombian city. If you don't like agencies perhaps you can attend a tour party. Or maybe you can search for a Latina on the web, exchange some emails and later make a trip to visit her. If you give up on Colombia then what is your next plan? American Ladies? European Ladies? Remain single? Whatever your choice, keep your head up and don't get discouraged, as difficult as that may be at times. Good luck.

Zack

Why do so many complain that they were used and abused, yet they don't take any time to really get to know these women?  

Perhaps we are regulating the wrong people??? Should we enact a law to protect men from themselves???

Dan

The right question is...what is your basis for such an extreme assertion? Have you taken a poll of many agencies throughout Colombia that you have personally visited, done interviews, and gathered statistics? What evidence do you have that your experience is much more than the unusual, isolated case? American men are open about the flaws of various agencies just like they are able to complain about the flaws and failures of customer service of many other sorts of businesses, but I have never heard of what you speak of even once. Agencies are sensitive to the major damage done to their reputations by having prostitutes among their female members. Of course there's exceptions to any rule, but they are just that...exceptions. Much more likely is a failure to screen sufficiently, or a lower level employee having suspicions but no real evidence to back them up, or many other possibilities. Some agencies and services don't do any screening. (And how do we *know* that match.com and amigos.com have no subscribers that are prostitutes?) It's unfortunate if you in fact ran into the rare exception, but making sweeping, excessively negative, statements about other agencies because of your one experience makes *your* credibilty and perceptions look questionable.

ROGUEAGENT
(no, I'm not affiliated with an agency)

Either way, I wish you well...good luck in your search.

I guess condoms are recommended for sex with women from agencies.

By  "personal" knowledge are you suggesting you visited a whore house and either had sex with this woman or saw her there with someone else?  Now if that's what in fact happened, you'd be as guilty as the woman in my mind. As you know there are two sides to every transaction.  Maybe the agency should find out if any of it's members are visiting whore houses, why only apply the rule to the women.

I think the problem is that many gringos want to have it both ways.  They want to be free to visit whores on the side while in Colombia looking for a wife.....but the moment they change hats and become the gentlemen wife slayer, they expect the agency and the girl to tell them what she was up to the night before while they themselves are secret about their activities.  This rings of hypocrisy to me and I'm not buying the spin stories.  When your cita asks you what you've done while on vacation in Cali, you're not telling her about your trips to Flores Frescas!!  

If a guy takes his time and gets to know a woman before he proposes, things like this will never even be an issue.  Guys who want to propose on their first trip to Colombia are nothing more than stupid.  They should be looking in the mirror before complaining about what some agency should or shouldn't have done.

If everybody knows that there are so many prostitutes in the agencies, then why are they so popular?  I don't understand it.  It seems self-defeating.

If I return to Colombia, I definitely won't use an agency again.

The Cartagena Hooker-

Every repeat visitor to Colombia that I met in Colombia knew that there are many prostitutes in the agencies.

I personaly know WINDY CITY  and know his story to be true. I also have met girls that were in the BUSINESS . Ask pete E, he had a date with an agency girl that he saw stripping the night before. Hookers are in most every agency and maybe the owner knows about it and maybe not, but they are there and i am 100% certain of it.

  I am amazed that this obvious troll with one post could cause this much discussion. I am aware that you have been bitter in the past about agencies and Calenas. But running with dennis the dentist and others of the same ilk, Will surely not heighten your respect for Colombian women. I have met and enjoyed conversing with mongers about their whorehouse conquests in the PI, Chezk Republic, Bankok. But I don't see the same in Colombia.I have met mongers in the agencies and I have met guys that go to Flores Frescas for a night out. There is a total difference in attitudes. Generally this reputation of the agencys come from disgruntled Gringoes. I dare anyone to find a hooker in Latin Best. The Cartagena Hooker

Latin Best is run by an honest decent women.

TROLL!!!!!!

I wish I had explored Medellin without using an agency.  I threw away a three-week vacation and thousands of dollars.

The bottom line, is each individual needs to know the person they are dating and know them well.  I would prefer that agencies filter out prostitutes if they in fact know it to be true.  But what should they do about the guys who are members and visiting prostitutes?  I think it's a double-standard, maybe it's just better left alone unless it can be applied equally....

These agencies seem to be some sort of bizarre meeting place for Colombian prostitutes and American whore mongers.  Everything is a lie, and everybody is a liar.

All-in-all, this may be a good thing.  Sometimes I think there's too many guys doing this.  When I was in the hunt, I was able to get great results from simply placing a personal ad in newspapers.  These days, they hardly generate any interest at all.  For men who can speak Spanish and don't need to have their asses wiped for them, the opportunities will still exist and the competition from weenies throwing money at women while an agency walks them around by the hand will be out of the picture.

I think you had a bad experience and are turned-off at the moment either by what you saw, or what you thought you saw.  I don't think you stated how you know the woman is a hooker.  Not saying she is or isn't, but I've seen a lot of false accusations from men who went in paranoid and expecting the worst.  When you look for the worst, sometimes you see it, even if it's not there.

Maybe you could describe the evidence that leads you to believe you were about to marry a prostitute.

Another American told me that she is a prostitute.  He didn't know that I was going to get engaged to her.  I didn't believe him, and I was angry.  I called her, and I told her that I wanted to see her.  I confronted her in person.  I asked her if she worked at a particular location.

She admitted it and laughed.  She thought the whole thing was a big joke.

Pete

I'm not suggesting regulation at all!  Bottom line, people need to be responsible for their own choices.

I think that agency owners should be responsible, and that's why regulation is needed.

I just returned from another trip to Manizales Colombia to see my fiancée. No offense to my brothers here in the states but I enjoy being the only Gringo in a city and this time did not meet one gringo my entire stay. The truth as I see it… Cali is ruined by the gringos and goof balls all over the world that have made it difficult to meet desirable women at an agency. The women have also been corrupted and have so many choices. This is because only about 8% of all the women in an agency are being asked out …the most attractive of course. The re-sellers are selling the same contact information, making the odds of meeting a women very difficult, and I know for a fact that many of the women are not available…many married…some in the states studying English in Miami and many with multiple boyfriends who they play. This is the truth ask any of the veterans on this board and I’m sure they will agree. About 3% of the most attractive women are getting 98% of the contact. This is what you’re up against. My fiancée went with 6 women from work to a letter writing site who sells to re-sellers of the six women she got 45 letters the rest combined got 0 that’s amazing…0. The same at the agencies the same 3% are getting 98% of the citas. It’s funny a girl on an agency web-site who said I was her soul mate is now married to a another guy 3 months after I left Cali. It's laughable…but expected these women are not going to wait around and they shouldn’t but is this the kind of girl you should marry?

I met my fiancée in Colombia in the town of Manizales she was a friend of a friend. My Colombian friend told me if I wanted to party stay in Cali if you want marriage material meet a Piasa, or a Manizalita. Hell…I’ve been going to Cali for 6 years and I love that city but it was time for a change. After about a year of dating my fiancée showed me letters she received on one of those dating web-sites she had joined before she met me…what I found out was amazing. She received about 45 letters in a three-week period. From doctors, cops, you name it she got it. I was stunned when I read them. The arrogance just spilled out. The doctor who was a good looking guy very successful wrote a five page letter describing how lucky a women would be to get the chance to be by his side and she better act quick or he won’t be available. Telling her he could tell she was a beautiful person by looking into her eyes. Other guys telling her basically the same thing but just not as arrogant. I asked my fiancée “why me?” I’m not the best looking guy the richest, or the smartest… so why me? The answer to this question is obvious and I will tell anyone who is truly interested in meeting a beautiful women how not to make a complete ass out of yourself. I will tell you how I did it but not in this post just send me e-mail and I will call you or you can call me. I will tell you how a decent guy got the best, most intelligent, good natured, attractive, sexy women I have ever known and loved.

Manizales is a great city. At night college students walk the streets late in the night. Lots of little coffee shops, bars, and things…very bohemian like. Beyond that not much to do. The city is much more beautiful then Cali as cold and damp as Bogota or worse. It rains, fog and the airports closes all the time and since the Avianca pilots fly by site into Manizales airport if it’s bad weather your not going anywhere. As far as agencies go there is one somewhere but I have no idea where in Manizales...they don’t advertise and do a lot of reselling. I don’t think you could go to Manizales without a command of the Spanish language and meet women, unless you made contact before and established some sought of friendship through writing and phone calls. The women seem more reserved and made no notice I was a gringo unless they saw me with my fiancée then we got lots of attention. If any of you want my advice on the agency scene in Cali of elsewhere I would love to help and offer you my advice and return the good will I received over the years by others. Take care.

Craig

I don’t fault the agency as much as I fault you.  Either make several trips, or go with a more personal agency with less girls and  more personal service. You also could try Peru, which is an alternative to Colombia.

Again, why is Colombia so highly touted and why do you trust these agencies?  None of the American men that I met in Colombia seem to trust these agencies, but they inexplicably use them on a regular basis.  Why?  I don't understand it - it seems masochistic.

like i said before, you can try peru, less agency influence there.

There were plenty of "Gringos" at the agency - but they all hated it and every other agency that they had used.  That's what I don't understand.  If the agencies are operated fraudulently, then why use them?

You are too OLD or too UNINTERSTING  or too UNATTRACTIVE to hook one of those HOT COLLEGE GIRLS, so you needed to go to COLOMBIA ???

PAAALEASEEEEEE

The only poor country that I have been to is the Dominican, but I loved the natural beauty of the country.  I totally didn't expect it to be like the US.  I have seen some not so nice looking cities here in America.  I found that the Dominican had some gorgeous women, maybe not beautiful, but sexy and attractive.  I am sure every place has its good and bad.

So I am just looking for elaboration on your comments.

Congratulations, Craig.  Apparently, you finally found a desperate girl that is so poor that she will accept even someone as unappealing as yourself.  How many years of trips to Colombia did it take, Craig?  Based on your posting profile, it looks like you've been striking out for a looooong time.  What a stud!

I just returned from another trip to Manizales Colombia to see my fiancée. No offense to my brothers here in the states but I enjoy being the only Gringo in a city and this time did not meet one gringo my entire stay. The truth as I see it… Cali is ruined by the gringos and goof balls all over the world that have made it difficult to meet desirable women at an agency. The women have also been corrupted and have so many choices. This is because only about 8% of all the women in an agency are being asked out …the most attractive of course. The re-sellers are selling the same contact information, making the odds of meeting a women very difficult, and I know for a fact that many of the women are not available…many married…some in the states studying English in Miami and many with multiple boyfriends who they play. This is the truth ask any of the veterans on this board and I’m sure they will agree. About 3% of the most attractive women are getting 98% of the contact. This is what you’re up against. My fiancée went with 6 women from work to a letter writing site who sells to re-sellers of the six women she got 45 letters the rest combined got 0 that’s amazing…0. The same at the agencies the same 3% are getting 98% of the citas. It’s funny a girl on an agency web-site who said I was her soul mate is now married to a another guy 3 months after I left Cali. It's laughable…but expected these women are not going to wait around and they shouldn’t but is this the kind of girl you should marry?

I met my fiancée in Colombia in the town of Manizales she was a friend of a friend. My Colombian friend told me if I wanted to party stay in Cali if you want marriage material meet a Piasa, or a Manizalita. Hell…I’ve been going to Cali for 6 years and I love that city but it was time for a change. After about a year of dating my fiancée showed me letters she received on one of those dating web-sites she had joined before she met me…what I found out was amazing. She received about 45 letters in a three-week period. From doctors, cops, you name it she got it. I was stunned when I read them. The arrogance just spilled out. The doctor who was a good looking guy very successful wrote a five page letter describing how lucky a women would be to get the chance to be by his side and she better act quick or he won’t be available. Telling her he could tell she was a beautiful person by looking into her eyes. Other guys telling her basically the same thing but just not as arrogant. I asked my fiancée “why me?” I’m not the best looking guy the richest, or the smartest… so why me? The answer to this question is obvious and I will tell anyone who is truly interested in meeting a beautiful women how not to make a complete ass out of yourself. I will tell you how I did it but not in this post just send me e-mail and I will call you or you can call me. I will tell you how a decent guy got the best, most intelligent, good natured, attractive, sexy women I have ever known and loved.

Manizales is a great city. At night college students walk the streets late in the night. Lots of little coffee shops, bars, and things…very bohemian like. Beyond that not much to do. The city is much more beautiful then Cali as cold and damp as Bogota or worse. It rains, fog and the airports closes all the time and since the Avianca pilots fly by site into Manizales airport if it’s bad weather your not going anywhere. As far as agencies go there is one somewhere but I have no idea where in Manizales...they don’t advertise and do a lot of reselling. I don’t think you could go to Manizales without a command of the Spanish language and meet women, unless you made contact before and established some sought of friendship through writing and phone calls. The women seem more reserved and made no notice I was a gringo unless they saw me with my fiancée then we got lots of attention. If any of you want my advice on the agency scene in Cali of elsewhere I would love to help and offer you my advice and return the good will I received over the years by others. Take care.

Craig

I just returned from another trip to Manizales Colombia to see my fiancée. No offense to my brothers here in the states but I enjoy being the only Gringo in a city and this time did not meet one gringo my entire stay. The truth as I see it… Cali is ruined by the gringos and goof balls all over the world that have made it difficult to meet desirable women at an agency. The women have also been corrupted and have so many choices. This is because only about 8% of all the women in an agency are being asked out …the most attractive of course. The re-sellers are selling the same contact information, making the odds of meeting a women very difficult, and I know for a fact that many of the women are not available…many married…some in the states studying English in Miami and many with multiple boyfriends who they play. This is the truth ask any of the veterans on this board and I’m sure they will agree. About 3% of the most attractive women are getting 98% of the contact. This is what you’re up against. My fiancée went with 6 women from work to a letter writing site who sells to re-sellers of the six women she got 45 letters the rest combined got 0 that’s amazing…0. The same at the agencies the same 3% are getting 98% of the citas. It’s funny a girl on an agency web-site who said I was her soul mate is now married to a another guy 3 months after I left Cali. It's laughable…but expected these women are not going to wait around and they shouldn’t but is this the kind of girl you should marry?

I met my fiancée in Colombia in the town of Manizales she was a friend of a friend. My Colombian friend told me if I wanted to party stay in Cali if you want marriage material meet a Piasa, or a Manizalita. Hell…I’ve been going to Cali for 6 years and I love that city but it was time for a change. After about a year of dating my fiancée showed me letters she received on one of those dating web-sites she had joined before she met me…what I found out was amazing. She received about 45 letters in a three-week period. From doctors, cops, you name it she got it. I was stunned when I read them. The arrogance just spilled out. The doctor who was a good looking guy very successful wrote a five page letter describing how lucky a women would be to get the chance to be by his side and she better act quick or he won’t be available. Telling her he could tell she was a beautiful person by looking into her eyes. Other guys telling her basically the same thing but just not as arrogant. I asked my fiancée “why me?” I’m not the best looking guy the richest, or the smartest… so why me? The answer to this question is obvious and I will tell anyone who is truly interested in meeting a beautiful women how not to make a complete ass out of yourself. I will tell you how I did it but not in this post just send me e-mail and I will call you or you can call me. I will tell you how a decent guy got the best, most intelligent, good natured, attractive, sexy women I have ever known and loved.

Manizales is a great city. At night college students walk the streets late in the night. Lots of little coffee shops, bars, and things…very bohemian like. Beyond that not much to do. The city is much more beautiful then Cali as cold and damp as Bogota or worse. It rains, fog and the airports closes all the time and since the Avianca pilots fly by site into Manizales airport if it’s bad weather your not going anywhere. As far as agencies go there is one somewhere but I have no idea where in Manizales...they don’t advertise and do a lot of reselling. I don’t think you could go to Manizales without a command of the Spanish language and meet women, unless you made contact before and established some sought of friendship through writing and phone calls. The women seem more reserved and made no notice I was a gringo unless they saw me with my fiancée then we got lots of attention. If any of you want my advice on the agency scene in Cali of elsewhere I would love to help and offer you my advice and return the good will I received over the years by others. Take care.

Craig

I have been to other Latin countries where they party every night!  Medellin is boring.

I just returned from another trip to Manizales Colombia to see my fiancée. No offense to my brothers here in the states but I enjoy being the only Gringo in a city and this time did not meet one gringo my entire stay. The truth as I see it… Cali is ruined by the gringos and goof balls all over the world that have made it difficult to meet desirable women at an agency. The women have also been corrupted and have so many choices. This is because only about 8% of all the women in an agency are being asked out …the most attractive of course. The re-sellers are selling the same contact information, making the odds of meeting a women very difficult, and I know for a fact that many of the women are not available…many married…some in the states studying English in Miami and many with multiple boyfriends who they play. This is the truth ask any of the veterans on this board and I’m sure they will agree. About 3% of the most attractive women are getting 98% of the contact. This is what you’re up against. My fiancée went with 6 women from work to a letter writing site who sells to re-sellers of the six women she got 45 letters the rest combined got 0 that’s amazing…0. The same at the agencies the same 3% are getting 98% of the citas. It’s funny a girl on an agency web-site who said I was her soul mate is now married to a another guy 3 months after I left Cali. It's laughable…but expected these women are not going to wait around and they shouldn’t but is this the kind of girl you should marry?

I met my fiancée in Colombia in the town of Manizales she was a friend of a friend. My Colombian friend told me if I wanted to party stay in Cali if you want marriage material meet a Piasa, or a Manizalita. Hell…I’ve been going to Cali for 6 years and I love that city but it was time for a change. After about a year of dating my fiancée showed me letters she received on one of those dating web-sites she had joined before she met me…what I found out was amazing. She received about 45 letters in a three-week period. From doctors, cops, you name it she got it. I was stunned when I read them. The arrogance just spilled out. The doctor who was a good looking guy very successful wrote a five page letter describing how lucky a women would be to get the chance to be by his side and she better act quick or he won’t be available. Telling her he could tell she was a beautiful person by looking into her eyes. Other guys telling her basically the same thing but just not as arrogant. I asked my fiancée “why me?” I’m not the best looking guy the richest, or the smartest… so why me? The answer to this question is obvious and I will tell anyone who is truly interested in meeting a beautiful women how not to make a complete ass out of yourself. I will tell you how I did it but not in this post just send me e-mail and I will call you or you can call me. I will tell you how a decent guy got the best, most intelligent, good natured, attractive, sexy women I have ever known and loved.

Manizales is a great city. At night college students walk the streets late in the night. Lots of little coffee shops, bars, and things…very bohemian like. Beyond that not much to do. The city is much more beautiful then Cali as cold and damp as Bogota or worse. It rains, fog and the airports closes all the time and since the Avianca pilots fly by site into Manizales airport if it’s bad weather your not going anywhere. As far as agencies go there is one somewhere but I have no idea where in Manizales...they don’t advertise and do a lot of reselling. I don’t think you could go to Manizales without a command of the Spanish language and meet women, unless you made contact before and established some sought of friendship through writing and phone calls. The women seem more reserved and made no notice I was a gringo unless they saw me with my fiancée then we got lots of attention. If any of you want my advice on the agency scene in Cali of elsewhere I would love to help and offer you my advice and return the good will I received over the years by others. Take care.

Craig

I just returned from another trip to Manizales Colombia to see my fiancée. No offense to my brothers here in the states but I enjoy being the only Gringo in a city and this time did not meet one gringo my entire stay. The truth as I see it… Cali is ruined by the gringos and goof balls all over the world that have made it difficult to meet desirable women at an agency. The women have also been corrupted and have so many choices. This is because only about 8% of all the women in an agency are being asked out …the most attractive of course. The re-sellers are selling the same contact information, making the odds of meeting a women very difficult, and I know for a fact that many of the women are not available…many married…some in the states studying English in Miami and many with multiple boyfriends who they play. This is the truth ask any of the veterans on this board and I’m sure they will agree. About 3% of the most attractive women are getting 98% of the contact. This is what you’re up against. My fiancée went with 6 women from work to a letter writing site who sells to re-sellers of the six women she got 45 letters the rest combined got 0 that’s amazing…0. The same at the agencies the same 3% are getting 98% of the citas. It’s funny a girl on an agency web-site who said I was her soul mate is now married to a another guy 3 months after I left Cali. It's laughable…but expected these women are not going to wait around and they shouldn’t but is this the kind of girl you should marry?

I met my fiancée in Colombia in the town of Manizales she was a friend of a friend. My Colombian friend told me if I wanted to party stay in Cali if you want marriage material meet a Piasa, or a Manizalita. Hell…I’ve been going to Cali for 6 years and I love that city but it was time for a change. After about a year of dating my fiancée showed me letters she received on one of those dating web-sites she had joined before she met me…what I found out was amazing. She received about 45 letters in a three-week period. From doctors, cops, you name it she got it. I was stunned when I read them. The arrogance just spilled out. The doctor who was a good looking guy very successful wrote a five page letter describing how lucky a women would be to get the chance to be by his side and she better act quick or he won’t be available. Telling her he could tell she was a beautiful person by looking into her eyes. Other guys telling her basically the same thing but just not as arrogant. I asked my fiancée “why me?” I’m not the best looking guy the richest, or the smartest… so why me? The answer to this question is obvious and I will tell anyone who is truly interested in meeting a beautiful women how not to make a complete ass out of yourself. I will tell you how I did it but not in this post just send me e-mail and I will call you or you can call me. I will tell you how a decent guy got the best, most intelligent, good natured, attractive, sexy women I have ever known and loved.

Manizales is a great city. At night college students walk the streets late in the night. Lots of little coffee shops, bars, and things…very bohemian like. Beyond that not much to do. The city is much more beautiful then Cali as cold and damp as Bogota or worse. It rains, fog and the airports closes all the time and since the Avianca pilots fly by site into Manizales airport if it’s bad weather your not going anywhere. As far as agencies go there is one somewhere but I have no idea where in Manizales...they don’t advertise and do a lot of reselling. I don’t think you could go to Manizales without a command of the Spanish language and meet women, unless you made contact before and established some sought of friendship through writing and phone calls. The women seem more reserved and made no notice I was a gringo unless they saw me with my fiancée then we got lots of attention. If any of you want my advice on the agency scene in Cali of elsewhere I would love to help and offer you my advice and return the good will I received over the years by others. Take care.

Craig

There are a many negatives to Colombia and bottom dwellers that a person needs to learn to stay clear of.  However Colombia is a beautiful country if you take the time to get to know it.

Just stick To Cancun, that place was made for lazy guys like yourself