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I posted the guy I call Ted met a girl he is thrilled with.She seemed in to him. I said it could be that simple.Unfortuately not.Apparently something is going on with her that has her backing off,being mysterious.I posted usually 95 % another guy.But that would be for an on going situsation thats always has a mysterious element.In a new relationship it could be many things,but her motivation is split.I am guessing 70% it is another guy.
Actually,it DOES NOT matter what it is.If she is not in to you with no mystery or doubt the solution is forget he,move on.Not try to figure out why.That will drive you crazy.
He is shopping again.We will see where it goes and she might come back around,but don't hold your breath.

Pete

... in response to Real Cali stories, posted by Pete E on Sep 25, 2005

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of these stories....

The side I'm referring to is of course...the ladies side! Maybe it's a lack of interest or English on their part, that keeps them from posting. Maybe our newest lady poster can encourage a few women to post their experiences/opinions of visiting men from North America. Carolina, if it would help....tell the ladies to post in Spanish! If anything, it might get "Real Stories" from the other side posted & help guys with their Spanish!

P.S. This invitation for Latin Ladies to post is not exclusive to women from Cali.

... in response to Never enough, from the other side....., posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

About half of the guys read or post because they are looking forward to meeting the right lady or conquering a bunch of ladies.  The other half of the guys read or post because they are reliving their past adventure or adventures, to stay in touch with friends, or they want to lend a helping hand.  

What benefit is it to the ladies to read or post?  Not much....  Girls figure out guys and how to work them at about 15 or 16 if not earlier... or never at all...  For the most part we guys are playing their game.  They do not need to read about the game, they invented it....

Reminds me of a joke.  A little naked boy and a little naked girl are checking out their respective sets of plumbing.  The little boys points down to his plumbing and says "you don't got one of these!"  The little girl points down to her plumbing and says "with one of these I can get as many of those as I want!"

Teo

... in response to What is in it for the ladies to post?, posted by teoblas on Sep 26, 2005

Teo,

Well, what you said is true, but kind of crappy too.  The girls have us figured out in 15 minutes, and we spend our lives trying to understand them and never do.  What's that all about?  But, I still would like you and others to give me a few more clues about the latinas perspective, because it is rather obvious that the more common catch phrases, the typical agency stuff, is almost worthless.  Case in point, the typical thing that all of us read on the websites for what the ladies want: "I want a man who is faithful, who is romantic, blah, blah, blah.  Well, of course she wants those things.  No sane girl is going to say I want a guy who will knock me up, cheat on me, beat the crap out of me, and dump me for another girl.  So, basically, I need to know something I don't already know.  But, so far, it is slow going.  Plus, the translations sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.  Naturally, I wish I could speak fluent spanish right now.  But, I need something that will help me now-- until I can learn more.  Based on what some of you have said recently on this board, it would appear that the latinas are taught not to tell their true feelings.  I don't exactly understand, but if that is true; then that would account for why I had some difficulty understanding them.  Plus, I can see that I was asking the girls too many questions, because they aren't used to being asked-- they are used to being told what to do.  How am I doing so far?  I am trying to take "baby steps", but obviously this is all new to me; and it must be for other new guys too.  Even though I have already been to Cali twice, I can see that I have more to go then I originally thought.

                          OkieMan

... in response to What is in it for the ladies to post?, posted by teoblas on Sep 26, 2005

For extending an "invitation" for ladies to participate on the forum! If a woman or man for that matter feels that their participation should be based on "what's in it for them".... I rather that they don't bother at all! I'm glad Carolina has chosen to contribute her views to the forum. I (and I'm sure others) would be happier if more women from South America would participate. Who knows, maybe a few love connections might happen....

It ain't the game....it's the player in the game!

... in response to Well excuuuuse me.....lol, posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

"Any relationship that isn't based on mutual self-interests is bound to have poor consequences."  Harry Brown

I think the concept to get ladies to post in this or some other forum is a fine idea.

My post was intended to provoke the question - How can we motivate any or many woman to WANT to post on a continous basis?

In reality there are multiple groups of women we might want to hear from and others we might not care to hear from.  There are women we want to meet, women who have something valuable to share, women nobody wants to meet, women in agencies, women not in agencies, women that don't speak or read english, etc...

Sure we can ask a wife, girlfriend, sister or agency member to post as a (one time) favor or novelty.... but is there any way we can make it in the interests of some or all of these women to make WORHTWHLE posts on a continious basis?

What are the (additional) ways to get women to post?    

For instance should we make up a half page flyer in Spanish saying the following (or whatever):  
There is an on line forum of single North American (?and European?) guys looking for sentimental relationships (or sex or both -- oops, better leave that out) with latinas and other guys married to latinas.  Latin women are welcome and encouraged to visit and if desired post in English or Spanish as long as they follow the P-L rules.  The address is www.planet-love.com

Should a few people get together over a case of beer and try to refine the above?  Or should we make it two cases of beer in order to dream up some real/additional motivation and shart/long term benefits for the ladies to visit and post?  (like promise them a visa raffle????- any of you guys work in an embassy??? - ha ha in case you don't understand I am joking here...)

Should we post the text somewhere on P-L or somewhere else to allow guys to access, copy, print it out and distribute it at agency parties (this could be a just the ice breaker some lucky Planet-LovER has been waiting for!!!!!)  Or possible we can have P-L members that are living throughout Latin America download the text and run it as an ad in their local newspapers under the Agencias Matrimoniales seciton of the newspaper?  Or should we encourage P-L members to stick a copy of some approved text on the bulliten boards of the English Language institutes where they live (both in North America and in Latin America).  Should we try to convince an agency owner to send out the Spanish version of the approved text to a hundred or so of the ladies in his agency (what do you think Roy...)?

Now, before we open pandora's box, do we really want to encourage women to post?  How do you screen out the shemales, transexuals, trolls, cats and dogs, etc... I have no idea.  My vote - ah what the hell, go for it....

Teo

... in response to Some ideas to motivate the ladies to pos..., posted by teoblas on Sep 27, 2005

Teo,

That is a great idea. It is thought provoking; but, I think that Hoda and Patrick will have to sign off on it, and then maybe you and Pete and other guys living down there could figure out how to get it in front of the ladies. The most obvious starting place would be at the agencies, and Carolina might be a place to start.  I will say that also I have written an email to a Colombian lady in Cali who did some translating for me. I put this idea out to her, and I am waiting to hear back.  If we put this deal together, I can give her some updated information.  Ultimately, all we can do is try.  You suggested some ways; so maybe something like this can be developed.  Maybe all of us who are so motivated can put our "thinking caps" on.  So, I say, bring it on-- but there certainly needs to be some planning put into it.

                                OkieMan

... in response to Some ideas to motivate the ladies to pos..., posted by teoblas on Sep 27, 2005

great ideas in this post

Beattledog

... in response to Well excuuuuse me.....lol, posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

Hoda,

Well said; and I hope this kind of thing will catch on.  If we could have at least a small percentage of ladies to participate, I believe everyone could benefit.  I don't expect miracles, but learning something new is always helpful.  Besides, we are all a bunch of guys.  We think like guys, we act like guys.  You put ladies in the mix, and it changes the dynamics.  In this case, I think for the better.  I don't expect the ladies to jump in with both feet; but it would be nice if a few ladies would jump in from time to time.  I can only speak for me, but I think I could grasp what they really, truly want if we had some ladies to toss out some stuff.  I guess, I am looking for a few "gold nuggets".  Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part.  Now, Carolina has already said a few things, but that is only scratching the surface.  Besides, a married lady will probably have a much different prospective than a single lady who is still looking.  I think it would be great to have both types of ladies, but I guess that is up to them.

                          OkieMan

... in response to Re: Well excuuuuse me.....lol, posted by OkieMan on Sep 26, 2005

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Muchas Colombianas como mi esposa no hablan ingles. Si ella escribe algo aqui, estaria en espanol.

... in response to El problema, posted by utopiacowboy on Sep 27, 2005

UC,

I understood enough to know what you said.  Yes, you can help her with the translations.  Besides, I have already had the privelege of exchanging emails with you in the past.  Well, this could just be an extension of that; because at the time, you were telling me a little bit of what your wife thought about a couple of things.  Well, now we could get it in bigger doses.  A smart and mature lady like her could be a great asset to us.  On top of that, we want to know what she saw in you?  That might answer one of life's biggest mysteries! ha ha

                              OkieMan

... in response to El problema, posted by utopiacowboy on Sep 27, 2005

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tienes razon, seria en espanol y como muchos de los hombres aca no pueden leer en espanol entonces seria tiempo perdido, a menos que alguien tome la molestia de traduccirlo al ingles. de todas maneras no creo que haya muchas mujeres que se vayan a dedicar a opinar o dar consejos en este pagina.
JK

... in response to tienes razon, posted by jediknight on Sep 27, 2005

n/t

... in response to tienes razon, posted by jediknight on Sep 27, 2005

Jediknight,

I only picked up a little what you said, but if you or your novia, or Utopiacowboy or his wife, (or anyone) wrote more in spanish, I could practice that way too.  It's just a thought.

                           OkieMan

... in response to El problema, posted by utopiacowboy on Sep 27, 2005

things like that many gringos overlook.

... in response to El problema, posted by utopiacowboy on Sep 27, 2005

I can't write or talk Spanish but through French words being close I read your sentence as "A Problem, many Colombianas like my wife do not speak English. If she describes herself, it will be in Spanish". Something close to that right?

... in response to Re: El problema, posted by stefang on Sep 27, 2005


Stefang,

I have a couple of questions for you. First, you just said that you don't speak or read spanish?  So, you are pretty much in the same boat as I am on that one.  There's nothing wrong with that; I think there are several of us on this board who do not currently speak spanish.  We all have to start somewhere.  Also, you have next to no personal info on your profile.   I am curious about your age, and what part of the country you live in?  Now, I am not trying to pry, but one thing you did put on the profile was that you are interested in asian women.  Well, you have been posting on this board quite a bit lately.  So, have you changed your focus, as far as the ladies are concerned?  I am just curious.  Maybe you are interested in both, or maybe Eastern European women too.  That's all ok, but most of us have to choose one of them sooner or later.  So, I am just curious to know what your plans are?  Again, not meaning to pry into your personal business.  Just curious.

                             OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: El problema, posted by OkieMan on Sep 27, 2005

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I'm 36 from Michigan and used to be interested in Latinas. Was  engaged to a Brazilian but broke it off. I just recently switched to Asians because I feel they take marriage more seriously an have a calmer personality. I also like the Asian cultures more than Latin ones I think I went for the Latins first because it is much closer than Asia.

I have other reasons as well for switching but this is the most active board so I don't mind reading about peoples adventures. I think if you keep trying to find a Latina you are better off sticking to Colombia and Peru with a lot of guys here seeming to do well with the Peruvian ladies.

... in response to Re: El problema, posted by stefang on Sep 27, 2005

The first part you got perfectly.  The second part is...

"...If they write something here, it will be in Spanish"

... in response to VERY Close, Stefang..., posted by Looking4Wife on Sep 27, 2005

It helps that the Latin languages have words written so closely the same. Now pronouncing them is totally different but if you speak slowly you would be surprised how many words you can understand.

... in response to Never enough, from the other side....., posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

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Speaking of the women, the ones I know from the California group of wives don't like Planet-Love from what I can tell.   I don't think any of them read it anymore but during Pete's breakup it was certainly a source of gossip so someone's wife must have been reading it.  Occasionly my wife will make a not so nice comment about PL as she walks by my computer and sees me reading it at some strange hour in the day.  I'm sure she'd prefer I was doing something else more productive. (-: I think there are several reasons the women don't like PL:

1.  They don't like their personal business put out for everyone to read.  I'm generally very careful about this but one time I gave some info. and sure enough one of the other wives brought it up.  It wasn't a big deal but it was something my wife preferred to keep private.

2.  The women want their husbands to move on beyond the whole Cali experience and just be husbands.  I think my wife probably wonders why I would still have an interest in posting on PL.  But the truth is, I met a lot of friends through PL and it's a way to stay in touch just as the women do with the phone.  

3. I think Calenas in general are a bit insecure about their men.  They've been conditioned this way from family life and past novios.  As an example, one of the wives said this about Pete a few months back, I'm paraphrasing "Pete's a really good guy but he's a bad example". I asked why as I was kind of surprised.  She continued on to say that Pete's life that the guys read about weekly, was a temptation to all the husbands back home.  In otherwords, she'd prefer her husband didn't know what life is like having a novia and a mistress. (-:  Understandable reaction, she wasn't making judgements or saying anything bad about Pete, everybody likes Pete, she was just thinking out load about what she considered was a temptation, the single life in Cali, the grass is always greener kind of thing.  

Anyway, I think the married women would prefer we forget the whole chase experience with the agencies, forums etc.  I think for the most part they are right.  But they should also remember that a lot of the common friends we have,  were made through the experience itself.  I say don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, a little PL is good now and again....

... in response to Never enough, from the other side....., posted by Cali James on Sep 26, 2005

CaliJames,

Well, you certainly bring up a good point, but I just wish that a few of the ladies would understand that we only want to learn from them.  I don't blame the ladies for getting on with their lives.  As far as that goes, I wouldn't probably be very interested in posting either if I were married to a latin sweetie.   So, #1) You must be a lucky man, and I wish you all the best #2) Just try to find out if maybe on a limited basis, the ladies would directly or indirectly (through their husbands) let us know what is important to them, and of course, what isn't either.  Everyone has wants, needs and desires-- and that translates into short term and long term goals.  However, it would seem that the ladies, such as your wife, value their privacy, to the point, that they are not willing to post or read P-L.  I understand, but I hope they will understand our desire to learn more too.

                         OkieMan

... in response to Never enough, from the other side....., posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

Hoda, I have often wondered why more wives of guys on the board don't post... can you enlighten me... does Mrs. Hoda ever post?

I can't really picture my future Latina wife spending much time posting, but maybe once in a while I would encourage her to answer a specific post...

... in response to Re: Never enough, from the other side......, posted by Looking4Wife on Sep 26, 2005

We have had some wifes post over the years.Usually its good feedback,but they don't do it for too long.And recently there have been suspicions about who someone might really be.But in general this feedback is highly valued here.
I think it was Gorgina from Peru that posted regularly if not hugely for years.And we had Sylvia from Argentina who was a major contibuter here unill she had a stroke about 4 years ago.This is about latin women we would  be total fools to not want their imput.I think we should encourage it as much as possible as long as it is real.
And Carolina can be especially helpfull working at an agency and giving us her feedback.I think we need to give her alot of slack and even not worry about a possible advertising factor,Its just to valuable imput.Hopefully she can be gut level honest about what some girls are up to.Sometimes girls working  at agencies will cover for girls bad behavior.She knows the girl,you are gone next
week.
WELCOME CAROLINA.Lets treat her well guys,we need her imput.

PETE

... in response to Re: Never enough, from the other side......, posted by Looking4Wife on Sep 26, 2005

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adjusting to life here (family, work & school). Believe me...I've tried many a time, to get her post :-) I rather for her to post directly, than for me to post..."well my wife said/feels" this way about a particular subject or experience.

Here's a basic break-down on a few of her experiences/views of life here.
- Life is soo much faster here, that it takes a huge toll on both men & women here.
- Just because someone is from your home country, doesn't mean that they have your best interest at heart.
- It used to annoy her the way some "beeches...lol" used to flirt with me, when we went out together.
- To quote the late & very funny Robin Harris, "it pisses her off to the highest degree of pisstivity that it's costing her three to four times as much to help/support her family now, than when she was actually living there". This has become a VERY, and I mean VERY touchie subject for her.
- She loves the U.S. warts & all, but prefers to retire in Colombia. Quote "you gotta be rich to retire,then die here".
- Whenever she visits home, after about 2 weeks or so she's more than ready to come "home" BIG :-)
- She still "beeches" a little 'bout taxes, but she sees what she's paying for. "Democracy isn't cheap, Baby".

On too "many", but not "all" guys talking of or visiting Cali...
- Most are talking trash & never come.
- Where the hell did guys get the impression, that women will jump all over you simply because you're not from their country..hahaha!
- Most need to know more Spanish than "hola & ciao". Fluency is not required, but an effort will score MAJOR points with the ladies!
- Most are very respectful of women. Some are just too soft.
- At first, she used to understand guys haggling over taxi fare. Now (ROTFLMAO)...she looks back & says "what a cheap bastard, arguing over a $3 to 5$ cab fare".
- Too many guys spend way too much time & money on a few hotties, whose only intention is to jerk them around.
- Contrary to popular belief...most women would rather stay in Colombia, than move! Many women feel that some guys are in waaaay too much of hurry sometimes! This makes them suspicious of your intentions. CHILL

Last but not lease....There's waaaaay more good women waiting for the "right man" to come into their lives, than there are guys visiting. Remember Men, YOU'RE BEING INTERVIEWED ALSO!

... in response to It's a combination of...., posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

Hoda,

Your point about we are being interviewed is very true.  That is one reason why I have trying to get beyond just the standard responses of what latinas are looking for, etc.  The last thing I would want to do is to offend or put off a latina that I was interested in.  But, unfortunately, that is exactly what I did when I was in Cali, back in May.   I don't need someone to start analyzing my life, and telling me I need to straighten up, etc.  I am a mature aged man, and I am all too aware of my shortcomings.  But, what I do need are very tangible points to focus on and try to understand what is important to the ladies.   Just asking me if got game tells me nothing!  That phrase wasn't even used when I was dating before I was married. (now I am really dating myself ha) Now, I realize that each lady will be somewhat different; but, just some basics in knowing their attitudes, beliefs, desires, etc would be helpful.  Also, since I am still fairly new to this process, and since I am not exposed to the latin culture on a daily basis-- I would like some "golden nuggets" from the ladies, like your wife.  I am really not stupid, but I am a guy from the Midwest/Southwest part of the country.  We have several mexicans that have moved here over the last 10 years or so; but I am not rubbing elbows with them everday (even though I have no problem with them).  I really like the latin culture, based on what I have seen so far; but it is still a mystery.  So, how am I supposed to learn unless I ask questions, and of course continue to make trips to "latina land"?  To me, it's as basic and simple as 123.  If I get the right information, then I can learn, and become much more effective.

                             OkieMan

... in response to Re: It's a combination of...., posted by OkieMan on Sep 26, 2005

When I started writing to my wife, I didn't spend ANY time learning about Colombia or the culture. I didn't spend any time figuring out or worrying if I was reading the signals right or obsessing about cultural differences. I figured I'm a guy, she's a chick, we're interested in each other, let's see where this goes. You seem to think that there's some key or magic wand that's going to open doors that were previously closed. I just don't see that happening. If a guy bought into all the stereotypes about Latinas and then encountered my wife believing that she was another "typical" Latina, he would be so far off the mark, it would be unbelieveable. Even if you could read my wife's many opinions (all in Spanish) what would it tell you? Nothing except this is what one Latina thinks. Geez, Okie, you want to know what they think? Pony up $10, write a few that appeal to you on match or amigos and let them tell you what they think. In Spanish. I go to Mexican weddings and quinceañeras all the time. They're not very mysterious. Everbody drinks, eats, dances and has a good time.

... in response to You approach this so differently than I ..., posted by utopiacowboy on Sep 27, 2005

Utopiacowboy,

There is a lot of truth in what you said.  However, I felt that I would like to better educate myself on the latin culture and I am still trying to learn spanish.  By the way, you seemed to  have learned spanish very fast. (based on what you told me before).  I think you must be gifted that way. Most middle-aged gringos like us stumble around after you get past taco and Buenos Dias! ha  But, I also am trying to not "obsess" over these points.  It's a bad habit I picked up while going through my marriage problems and ultimate divorce.  It's not one of my best qualities.  But, it was either that or turn into a mass-murder!  Just kidding.  No, seriously, we all learn in different ways, and you have been very, very helpful.  But, please also understand that based on what I have seen so far, not 1 in a 100 men get luckly like you. You met the right one, 3 months later you were married, and she did not turn out to be wierd!!  Boy, how lucky can you get?  Take care.

                            OkieMan

... in response to You approach this so differently than I ..., posted by utopiacowboy on Sep 27, 2005

unfortunatly it appears that his over thinking of every conceivable possiblity will keep him in neutral forever, its unfortunate because he seems like a good guy. i know one thing for sure, any woman would not want a man that second guesses or questions everything, they want a man who is confident, who can make decisions, who can protect them and not need protection himself.
JK

... in response to you are so right, posted by jediknight on Sep 27, 2005

Jediknight,

Now don't go bailing out on me yet!  I have a few hurdles to climb, but I am not some nutcase either!  Read the post I just made to Utopiacowboy, and you might better understand me.  Believe it or not, I am a nice guy, and I am not indecisive.  But, I have mistakenly thought that I might better learn by asking some questions on this board. So, now I will just take what I know, and do my own thing-- just like you do.  But, I have had a tendency to "overthink" the situation, and that stops right now!

                               OkieMan

... in response to It's a combination of...., posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

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... in response to It's a combination of...., posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

Hoda,

Thank you for sharing. I would like to hear more stories, and read more posts like this.  Sometimes, it is very difficult for any person to understand someone from a different culture.  I have no doubt that we all have many misconceptions concerning the latinas.  Still, I am trying to learn. Believe it or not, it is possible to teach an old dog new tricks-- it's just not easy!

                             Thanks,
                             OkieMan

... in response to Re: It's a combination of...., posted by OkieMan on Sep 26, 2005

US men are in a hurry because they don't have much time ( a week or two at the most) and they are back at their jobs for the next 6 months

... in response to Re: Re: It's a combination of...., posted by hankkh on Sep 26, 2005

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If there's a will there's a way.  After my first and second trips to Cali in 1999, I knew a couple of weeks a year was not going to do it.  So in 2000 I took a 5 month leave of absence from my job, literally put my career on the line and moved to Cali.  Great experience but I returned after my leave, wasn't engaged nor did I have a steady novia but I knew I needed to go back.  Next I organized my job so that I could work though a virtual private network online and remotely.  I was able to work from Cali 3 or 4 months a year in 2001 and 2002. It wasn't easy getting everyone to buy off on my plan but I was able to pull it off.  I really believe that if a person puts their heart and soul into it, they can put together a plan that will allow more time in Latin America.

... in response to Re: Re: It's a combination of...., posted by hankkh on Sep 26, 2005

hankkh,

Yes, time is a problem for many of us.  By the way, what part of Texas are you from?  I live in the Tulsa, Ok area.
Have you travelled to Colombia or Peru much?  What has been your experience?  Take care.

                         OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: It's a combination of...., posted by hankkh on Sep 26, 2005


into shorter trips....yeah, more costly on one end, but beneficial on another. Especially, when you feel that you have the "right" one. Trust me on this one...you'll find a way to get more vacation time, especially after you find one or two serious candidates....

YOU WILL FIND A WAY.....THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY.....LMAO!!!

... in response to Re: Re: It's a combination of...., posted by hankkh on Sep 26, 2005

Yes too bad we just can't order them and choose wether ground or air shipping depending how cheap you are or how fast you want them here.

... in response to It's a combination of...., posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

Great Post, Hoda!  My fiancee also prefers to retire in Brazil.  Her best case scenario is to live and work in the US for a few years, save up some money, and then move back to Brazil and live at a slower and easier pace of life.

... in response to Re: Never enough, from the other side......, posted by Looking4Wife on Sep 26, 2005

Historically, the mujeres that have posted here don't stay long...

After their identity is questioned, they usually receive a barrage of questions like, "Would a woman from Cali love me if I have pimples on mi culo"... If they last past that point, they are typically attacked for having a diametrically apposing view on some topic with a board "expert"... This is when they figure out that they don't need the grief and leave...

... in response to It's simple..., posted by wizard on Sep 26, 2005


There's a privacy issue also, that many Latina wives observe!

... in response to Pimples....ROTFLMAO, posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

Woudln't that be "espinillas en mi culo" o "espinillas en mis nalgas" "pompis".?!

... in response to Never enough, from the other side....., posted by Hoda on Sep 26, 2005

I'm not sure some of these guys could handle the "truth", that is, what the latinas REALLY think about most gringos...

... in response to Real Cali stories, posted by Pete E on Sep 25, 2005

Or maybe they hear stories about gringos and how wonderful we all are and when they meet us, well, maybe we really are not all that wonderful ?

Could be the issue here

... in response to Re: Real Cali stories, posted by Kiltboy1 on Sep 25, 2005

She acted really interested.Part of her probably is.But something else is going on.I am guesing another  guy she might thinks she wants to dump but can't when it comes down to it.Reminds me of my chica of 15 months ago.She had us both fooled,remember?

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Real Cali stories, posted by Pete E on Sep 25, 2005

Yeh Pete

Unfortunately i remember her and hopefull telling experiances will keep some guys from meeting and falling for a girl like her. Count yourself lucky you got out before more damage was done

KB

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Real Cali stories, posted by Kiltboy1 on Sep 26, 2005

Thats a story coming.Upstaged by current stuff right now.I wonder how much longer it would have taken me to figure it out except for that fatefull night?Thanks for your help and I still owe our amiga for filling me in.I am going to have Beatriz help her get a job if she ever answers her phone.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Real Cali stories, posted by Pete E on Sep 26, 2005

Thank Pete

Our amiga is a good woman, too bad that the kid is a terror

KB