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I'm just curious, I have a good friend who married a Ukranian gal, hot as can be, well educated BUT his main complaint is that she is cold.  When we speak he often compares his wife to mine as polar oppsites.  My Calena being very affectionate, touchy, loving, doting on me, teasing and playful with me etc., and his rather aloof anf reserved.  He knows she loves him and they have an otherwise good marriage.  This leads me to ask, has this been your observation with FSR women as well? -TNC

... in response to Frank O, una pregunta..., posted by thundernco on Jul 27, 2005

SI!!! HUGE FREAKING DIFFERENCE!!!! I had been dating mostly (ALL) Mexican ladies. They are VERY afectionate, loving, warm etc whatever adjectives you want for that. Te acarician mucho. I'm big on hugs & cuddling etc. My ex was VERY cold. Sure in bed she was hot. NO complains there at all, especially on the oral sex. I think they have doctorates in that in Ukraine... anyways sometimes I would tell my wife "cmon over here & give me a hug" & she'd reply with "why are you a child? Only little boys need a hug. Ukrainian men have HONOR they don't need to be hugged". Yeah, well whatever como m1erda!!
That IS/WAS a HUGE turnoff of me. I can't see myself living long term with that. I loved brushing her hair giving her massages etc sometimes she was just COLD. NEVER had that problem with the Mexicans. From what I can discern with Colombians, Peruvians etc all they are NOT cold. Don't know but when it comes to that the Ukes fare VERY badly & the Latinas stand head & shoulder above them. one thing My Uke wife LOOKED like a Latina. Jet black black, morenita (from the sun), same body/physique etc so physically I got what I wanted but just to dang cold. I'll take a Latina ANY day.

... in response to Re: Frank O, una pregunta...una gran .., posted by Frank O on Jul 27, 2005

I must agree with the comments  on Latin being much more affectionate.  Peruvian women (I'm married to one) Love to hold hands and Kiss and Hug in public.  When I brought my wife to the U.S., I was a little shocked at firstabout how openly she displayed her affection.  In the Grocery store she would lunge at me and starting kissing me  and always wants to hold hands or have my arm around her.  We laugh about it now and sometimes I tell her to hold my belt loop while we walk through the store and walk behind me.  We both laugh at the looks we get from  all of the NAB's.
Viva Peru!
Terry
www.mylatinrose.com

... in response to Re: Frank O, una pregunta...una gran .., posted by Frank O on Jul 27, 2005

Frank you just went though a painful divorce and wasn't your wife something like 20, and didn't you admit you ignored a lot of red flags prior to marring her.  Dude I've been with many Russian/Ukrainian women and I found each and everyone one of them to be very affectionate and passionate.  So #1 it depends on the woman and #2 it depends on the man to be able to generate passion from his woman.  I think anyone that reads your posts right now needs to remember that you're hurting and full of pain.  I would submit that your obejectivity could be a little warped right now. Take some time and heal thyself.

... in response to Re: Re: Frank O, una pregunta...una gran..., posted by tbirdjoy on Jul 28, 2005

But just wondering have ever been with a Latina? I'm NOT saying to offend or nothing but your married to a Ukrainian & you have a good marriage great. But I was previously married to a Mexican & it was heaven on earth for 6 years. We split due to professional differences (we are BOTH musicians she started to do opera in Italy so obviously...). Anyways I have been married to a Latina AND a Ukrainian. Just VERY different. I do NOT like to compare but I'm just wondering was MY Uke an anomaly? Most the Latinas as very similar, everyone is an individual but very similar however Diana the Uke was just totally different. She's the ONLY Ukrainian I've ever LIVED with though.

... in response to Thanks Tbirdjoy, posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

Well this is my second marriage to a Russain and you've had one of each so I guess it comes down to the individual woman and not necessarily what part of the world they come from.  I think though we all agree on these three boards is that we'd rather take our chances with foreign women then the domestic brand.  I agree with everyone else get back out there and have some fun but watch for those landmines.  Best of luck to ya!

... in response to Re: Thanks Tbirdjoy, posted by tbirdjoy on Jul 29, 2005

landmines...muy apropos

... in response to Re: Re: Frank O, una pregunta...una gran..., posted by tbirdjoy on Jul 28, 2005

the best cure is to get back in the saddle

... in response to Re: Frank O, una pregunta...una gran .., posted by Frank O on Jul 27, 2005

That´s the most beautiful thing about latin women in my opinion, they are so affectionate! My girlfriend from Medellín just went home yesterday and allready I miss her very much. The look into your eyes with a wonderful smile, walk down the street hand in hand with you and enjoy the admiring looks of the people. When I made my bed this morning I found a paper under the pillow saying: "No me olvides, te quiero".

Wonderful

... in response to Re: Re: Frank O, una pregunta...una gran..., posted by Dolfi on Jul 27, 2005

You mentioned about the holding hands or walking down the street. I remember in Ukraine trying to hug my wife or hold her hand in public & always being told some crap about how it's not "appropriate" or "proper" to display affection in private. Once your behind doors it's no hold barred but NOT in public. Sorry I got tired of that krap! It's MY wife. If I want to hold her hand or hug her in public I will everyone else de danmed. With my Mexican ladies usually THEY would hold me & hold me CLOSE to let all OTHER ladies KNOW 'he's mine!'. I LOVED that about them. Even my friend Eva who is JUST a friend many times walks with me arm in arm in public & hugs me & she's JUST A FRIEND!!! Anyways I guess you guys can tell I'm a little ornery today. But this thread DID strike a nerve with me. In all honesty it makes ME wonder why I even want to go BACK to Ukraine?!

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Frank O, una pregunta...una ..., posted by Frank O on Jul 27, 2005

i will refresh your memory on why you want to go back:

1. Gorgeous looking women
2. Hot in bed

2 out of 3 is not bad but try Colombia before you get on that plane for 20 hrs

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Frank O, una pregunta......, posted by papi on Jul 27, 2005

PLus yes I guess that COULD have SOMETHING to do with why I want to go back.

... in response to will do..., posted by Frank O on Jul 27, 2005

yes, cause i dont think yu want to go back to Kiev until the spring so yu have time to take a shot at LA. Go in with some good planning. Your buddy Jack sends guys to something like 12 cities! Imagine LA guys hitting 12 cities over 1 trip! sheesh! most go to one destination. yu can get lucky in LA. I would bet 6-7 nights and 2-3 cities and you would have your hands full with or without your newspaper ad

... in response to Re: will do..., posted by papi on Jul 27, 2005

That's EXACTLY what I'm thinking. I'll hit Colombia sometime within the next 3 months then if I think it's for me I'll follow up. If NOT then I'll go back to Ukraine but like you said next year. I AM thinking & planning this out carefully. That's why I'm NOT jumping on a plane in 2 weeks.

... in response to Re: Re: will do..., posted by Frank O on Jul 27, 2005

What other thoughts and issues do you need to clarify? Perhaps throwing them out there to the wolves will get you some useful discussion.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: will do..., posted by CelticUrge on Jul 28, 2005

Just simply make up MY MIND as to WHERE I go. Part of me wants to go where I'm already familiar & know how to get around & feel confortable , not to mention where I actually got MARRIED even though the marriage didn't work I know I CAN find a wife there. Then part of me thinks I should stick to Spanish speaking ladies as I already know the language etc. I just have to make up my mind. Part says I SHOULD go to Colombia (Or Peru or Panama etc) that way I can do an HONEST A/B comparison between the 2 THEN go all out in pursuit of a wife.
In other words if I go to Colombia then in MY opinion Ukraine is better then go all out & back to Ukraine with running ads, corresponding etc.
If Latin America is better then do the same. Right now I ONLY know Ukraine. I do NOT know Latin America other than Mexico where my only luck is getting laid NOT finding a wife. Well it's out there for the wolves now.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: will do..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

Sometimes I just agree with Papi. Once you go to Bogota and Cali you will become enamored with the city, the culture, and the women. It will be easy for you to get around and learn the "ropes" since you already speak the language. The language is distinctly different between Mexico & Colombia but you should figure that out quickly. Just be careful of slang. Join the agencies, place an add and attend a tour event. There will be more than you can handle. My first trip I met approx. 60-70 women the first week. The first night I attended a party and met about 25 beautiful women and there were only three other men there. The point is that was just way too many. I had to cut back and focus. How many times have you read some guys statements on these forums along the line of "be selective because you can" ? It can be a bit overwhelming but if you are the least bit confident and outgoing, it is also a blast. Enjoy.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will do..., posted by CelticUrge on Jul 29, 2005

I agree but often the "kid in the candy store" syndrome can kick in so like yu said it is good to try and focus

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will do..., posted by papi on Jul 29, 2005

... more like a "bone dog" in the girls locker room. One of you, or all of you?????

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will do..., posted by CelticUrge on Jul 29, 2005

i like a good wingman - no problem with sharing in the hunt

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: will do..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

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Why not hold off on Kiev until Spring when the climate is better??? Try Colombia - I think you could do it for about $1500-$2000 including air/hotel and agency. That has got to be a lot less than Kiev. Have you been looking at the websites? Do you find one site that you like more? Take for example www.latin-wife.com in Barranquilla. They are not the cheapest but will give yu professional service. The problem with Cali is there are a lot of scammers and party girls. Nelson with LAI is also OK. And if you go to the TLC Party - there will be hundreds of women.  You have tours in Lima, Peru and Cali coming up. If things don’t go well in BAQ, I might try Lima or Cali with TLC

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will do..., posted by papi on Jul 28, 2005

I think I'm sticking with Colombia. Perhaps hit Bogota & Cali. STill thinking of taking an ad then visiting those. That's my modus operandi. Well at least it was in Ukraine.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will do..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

Nelson can run an ad for you. i would not count on the other agencies to do it. i think that makes sense - Cali/Bog. 5 days at VIP or TLC in Cali and 5 day at LAI in Bog and you may never want to return to Kiev. it is very doable

... in response to Re: Re: will do..., posted by Frank O on Jul 27, 2005

The best-laid plans...just dont over analyze it - i think we have another poster that has that department well covered.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Frank O, una pregunta...una ..., posted by Frank O on Jul 27, 2005

I understand what you´re saying. In Germany where I live it´s not very common to hold hands in the street (at least not for people of my age), but Liz just took me by the hand and we walked along. And in the end many people where smiling at us.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Frank O, una pregunta......, posted by Dolfi on Jul 27, 2005

Well then it was NOT just my wife I guess it's a cultural thing. I noticed that in general in Ukraine.