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Just wondering is there ANYONE here who has actually been to either Ukraine or Russia AND to a Latina American country as well? IF so how would you express your opinions on BOTH respectively? I'm in a dilemma in my near start for a new wife.

... in response to Has anyone here been to both FSU & L..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

I was married to a Russian (Moscow) for 7 years before divorcing 5 years ago.
Engaged to another (twice!). I've visited the FSU 8 or 9 times. I've also been to
Colombia about 25 times and have dated plenty of ladies there and have a
current girlfriend in BAQ.  Are you asking about the ladies specifically or the
places? Do you want a comparison of the benefits and problems of travelling
to each place? I'm going to Cali & BAQ in Aug, then St. Petersburg in Sept. Ask
away!

... in response to Yep, posted by AnzoNevis on Jul 29, 2005

Anzo, you sound like a man who knows the ropes.  How did you meet your friend in BAQ?  What are your plans in Cali? Agency? hotel?  Regarding the FSU, I have chatted a lot with Frank and agree with his assessment that the women there are absolutely gorgeous but the language, costs, and distance not to mention scam agencies, etc make it a far more difficult endeavor in my view.  I am leaving for BAQ shortly – when do you get into town?

... in response to Re: Yep, posted by papi on Jul 29, 2005

I met my lady friend on a spur of the moment discision to go to a "Sexy
Safari" party weekend. I think they are/were affiliated with Barranquilla's Best.
I could be wrong about that. It took place at the Versailles (2 years ago). She
is currently staying at my apartment near Exito. As for Cali, I met a girl at the
TLC tour there 3 years ago. We dated off and on (I was kinda waiting for her
to finish up school), but we drifted and she ended up marrying a one trip
wonder and recently had a baby and lives in the US. But I am quite close with
her family and they spoil me silly when I'm there. We've adopted each other.
I'll stay at the Intercontinental and probably visit Blues Brothers. No plans to
visit an agency.

    I arrive in BAQ on the 12th, I think, for 5 nights. Drinks on me if you're
there then.

... in response to BAQ, posted by AnzoNevis on Jul 29, 2005

Anzo, going to miss you this trip - return before you depart. tell me about your apt near Exito? how much is the rent? hot water? air? are there others for rent? contact info?

... in response to Re: BAQ, posted by papi on Jul 29, 2005

Torres de Calibri-right above the Western Union office and Blockbuster.
About $350 or so a month + admin. 2 BR, nice building. She (Marta) never
had hot water in her life and thinks it is a waste of money! Same with air.
Huge terrace, pool, security. I don't have any actual contact info right now. I'll
see what I can do.

... in response to Re: Re: BAQ, posted by AnzoNevis on Jul 29, 2005

cold showers is not my gig - i'll buy the tank. same goes for the air - f..g hot there. yes, see what yu can find in terms of a contact. thanks

... in response to Yep, posted by AnzoNevis on Jul 29, 2005

Met former wife through the pre-internet ('92) black and white catalog,
Scanna. It may have been a bit more romantic then, as I'd send a letter and
wait a month or more for a reply. Anyway, the FSUs, in general, are better
educated, more cultured, more diverse looks-wise ranging from Scandinavian
blondes to far-eastern and everything in between. My ex, long dark hair,
asian eyes, seriously rockin' bod...,  is a professional musician and is now
with a major opera company. They seem to have a lot of  "want" built up
inside. I personally think they're sexier (go ahead and flame me).  They're a
bit more like onions-layers that get revealed as you get to know them better.
Once you're in, they're every bit as passionate as the Latins. And they get just
as demonstrative when they are pissed off (believe me!). In terms of history
and culture, well, Russia has been around a long time and the folks there are
quite proud. Extremely nice and unbelievably generous with what they have,
once you've gotten to know them a little. It is a matriarcial society, so the
women are usually quite strong of will, opinion and if life gets really tough,
I'd want a Rooski any day. The dads seem to be there largely for providing,
and it is clear who runs the house, and who you have to please if you want
their daughter! If you ever get invited to their apartment, consider it an honor
and be very, very hungry.  Other than the party girls in the bigger cities,
they're not at all frivolous. You can have a college educated family of 4 living
in a 2 br Soviet style apartment and living on 150/mo. Grim. As far as the
Latinas, most everybody on the board can chime in. Simpler, more happy-go-
lucky, wear their hearts on their sleeves. Both places are filled with nice
ladies. You just have to visit and sees what works best. Obviously, SA is a lot
closer. 3 day weekends can mean a visit. Language is easier. No jet lag. No
visas. No St. Pete Winters (BRRRRRRR!). Scamming is a fine art with some of
the ladies in the FSU and you MUST have your wits about you if you visit
there, as you WILL fall in love instantly with the Smokin'-Hot-Kova you've
been corresponding with!!! Wait till the 1st time you hear "Dahlink" with that
accent. I have several friends either married, engaged, or visiting FSU girls,
though 1 is starting to get interested in SA because of the above difficulties.
But every unmarried guy REALLY needs to visit the FSU. Nevsky Prospekt
(main commercial/social street in St. Pete) on a July evening is the most
amazing display of Euro fashion, short skirts, the world's best sets of legs, no
sunset, and virtually NO fat chicks. Nothing in Colombia is remotely close. All
in all, your life would probably be a bit easier with a SA lady, but do look
around. I got lots more totally subjective opinions...

... in response to well, I'll elaborate a bit, but Jeez, ho..., posted by AnzoNevis on Jul 29, 2005

[This message has been edited by utopiacowboy]

Sorry, double post.

... in response to well, I'll elaborate a bit, but Jeez, ho..., posted by AnzoNevis on Jul 29, 2005

All I can say is, Have you been to Medellin? I'd put the paisas up against any group of women in the world.

... in response to well, I'll elaborate a bit, but Jeez, ho..., posted by AnzoNevis on Jul 29, 2005

Yes most of what you say is true
I lived in LA a couple of years and now live part time in FSU, have had girlfriends of both
the slavic woman can be domineering but it just means you have to be stronger, they will sense a power vacuum and they are more complex.
i think it mostly comes down to preferences as far as looks. there are all kinds of ladies in both places

... in response to Re: well, I'll elaborate a bit, but Jeez..., posted by jey on Jul 29, 2005

where did yu live in LA??? where part time now in FSU???

... in response to well, I'll elaborate a bit, but Jeez, ho..., posted by AnzoNevis on Jul 29, 2005

It's the matriarchial society you mentiond that I didn't like. Sorry but I'm NOT into the women being the one running the house. Diana gave me that krap about "yes the man is the head of the house, but the women is the neck & she moves the head in whatever direction SHE wants". Sorry that just did NOT work.
But like you said the LOOKS!!!!! THey ARE gorgous. But then AGAIN my wife who was Ukrainian/Russian that I picked LOOKED like a LATINA. If you did NOT hear hear speak you would think she WAS Latina.
Thanks so VERY much for pointing all this out. That's what I was looking for. But then you DID tell me everything I thought. I just thought perhaps on top of what went wrong with MY choice that many of the things you pointed out were NOT just with MY wife. The strong opinions etc. Sorry I don't mind that but I don't want a wife fighting with me to see who is the head of the house.

... in response to Has anyone here been to both FSU & L..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

I have been to both Odessa and Cali one time apiece.  I found receptive women in both places.  I think I could have been happy with a women from either place.  At this point I have decided that overall I think I click better with the Latina more so than the Ukrainian.  I am more casual and I think I have a better chance of getting along long term with a latina (As long as I pick the right one), which brings me to the crux of what I want to say.  I do not think it matters much where you go, you still will have to make a good choice in either location so ultimately it is entirely in your hands.  You know you so where do you want to go?

Fathertime

... in response to Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU &am..., posted by fathertime on Jul 28, 2005

Thanks for that. So there is SOMEONE who has been & dated both. I was just wondering if perhaps my WRONG choice was NOT an anomaly but perhaps most Ukes were like that. I dated several Ukrainian ladies but they are all VERY similar. I've dated MANY Mexicans & they were all similar. I WOULD choose a MExican over a Uke ANY day. At this time like you said it boils down to me...I guess I WOULD be happier with a Latina lady. Just more compatible in many ways. Judging from the ladies I dated & the ones I married.
Thanks.

... in response to Re: Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

Whatever continent you coast to is not as relevant as who you are.  Regardless of the place or woman you choose you are always going to be stuck with YOU.  Are you the person you want to be before you look for a wife.  A long, long time ago I took a tuneup class for my brain and I made many of the best decisions of my life shortly after that weekend long class.  I know I need a mental tuneup and a refocusing and I only have a month to fit it in before Colombia.  You may consider doing something like that for yourself.  YOU may be what the issue is not where you travel to.  Perhaps you understand yourself and what your needs are thoroughly, but if not a heap of trouble could be coming your way wherever you go!
I wish you peace.
Fathertime

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Has anyone here been to both..., posted by fathertime on Jul 29, 2005

his brain is ok. it just takes work and some luck. not too many are really marriage material unless you live down there. fun to date or play but to find a wife can be difficult. the short trips make it more difficult but he needs to try which he will

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Has anyone here been to ..., posted by papi on Jul 29, 2005

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Perhaps Franks brain is ok. I hope it is.   I am convinced that luck and work are a factor but not nearly as crucial as tending to your melon. 100 trips for some would bear no fruit, or worse which would be rotten fruit. The critical element is YOU!  

My point is learn as much about yourself as you can and do this for yourself and you will be better able to choose a woman that you can make happy.  

I hope you find this helpful. If nothing else it helps me sort out my own thoughts.  
Fathertime

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Has anyone here been..., posted by fathertime on Jul 29, 2005


Start with "yourself".....

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Has anyone here been..., posted by fathertime on Jul 29, 2005

you bring up some valid points...

... in response to Re: Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

Frank, there are horror stories and successes.  Some guys get lucky others unlucky.  No guarantees, all we can do is do our best.

... in response to Has anyone here been to both FSU & L..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

I have been to Colombia and Mexico many times but I have never been to either the Ukraine or Russia. However, my brother is married to an ethnic Russian from Odessa in the Ukraine. I am married to a Colombiana. Why you would even consider going to Russia/Ukraine is beyond me. Being married to a Colombiana is as close as any man will get to heaven while still on this earth. Being married to a Russian is not. Definitely not.

... in response to Sort of, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 28, 2005

I'm' assuming you see something in the differences of your brothers relationship. Can you state some of the differences?

... in response to Can you elaborate on why?, posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

She is a rather cold and controlling person, not warm and affectionate like my wife. Also she is fairly rigid in her thinking and not at all flexible or open to new ideas. They live in Canada and she is convinced that the US is filled with violence and crime. I told her that I live in a rural area with so little crime that I don't even have a lock on my door. She flatly refused to believe me and told me that this could not be true. I think I should know if I have a lock on my own door! Also, even though she and her parents are living in Canada with my brother, they are still convinced that Communism was the best system. If it was so great, WTF are they all doing here then? Her father, who is Jewish, even has a picture of Stalin hung up in his room! Figure that out!

... in response to Re: Can you elaborate on why?, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 29, 2005

"Also, even though she and her parents are living in Canada with my brother, they are still convinced that Communism was the best system."

Western countries need a screening process against such leeches.  What does a host country gain when new arrivals despise the system that puts food in their mouths and a roof over their heads?

Amazing the ingratitude and lack of shame.

... in response to Re: Can you elaborate on why?, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 29, 2005

Scary but THAT sounds like my wife & her family!!! They are STILL communists. My wife actually campaigned for Yanukovich. What you said but being inflexible pretty much says it right there.

... in response to Re: Re: Can you elaborate on why?, posted by Frank O on Jul 29, 2005

Frank, when you said they were communists, did you mean that they were actually party members?

When you apply of immigration, adjustment of status, or naturalization, you are required to answer under penalty of perjury whether you have ever been a member of, or in any way affiliated with, the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party.

Does answering YES automatically result in denial? I’m not sure what the current policy is, but you will at least have some further explaining to do.

Question: Why would anyone want to marry a commie anyway? :-)

Ray

... in response to Commies Not Welcome, posted by Ray on Jul 29, 2005

Not sure. She was a party member however all she got was the K3 visa. Never got beyond that therefore never had to fill anything out asking about that. Honestly I didn't care her party affiliation as we have no Communist party here for her to join. At least not in my county & city.

... in response to Re: Can you elaborate on why?, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 29, 2005

Many love Stalin because it brings back NOSTALGIC and DELUDED memories of PERCEIVED stable times, since there current state of affairs is a disaster.  I am somewhat of a history buff and can tell you that those feelings are indeed delusional. However, it is hard to believe a Jewish person would have a picture of him on the wall. He was one of the top most evil men of all time second maybe only to Hitler and responible for countless murders of both Jewish and non-Jewish alike

... in response to Re: Re: Can you elaborate on why?, posted by papi on Jul 29, 2005

I asked my brother what the picture of Stalin was all about. I thought maybe he had it up there as a reminder of what an evil system he had left behind. No, it was because he admires him! Unbelieveable!

... in response to I couldn't believe it myself, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 29, 2005

That's some of the krap I had to put up with as well. Oh everything was SO much better in the old days of communism with them. I think Papi was right in his observation. It's just things are bad because now they have WORK & not have the govt do everything for them.

... in response to Re: Re: Can you elaborate on why?, posted by papi on Jul 29, 2005

NT

... in response to Has anyone here been to both FSU & L..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

This might sound like a hard decision but make your mind up dude. You are on the russian side telling everyone you were just planning a vacation to S.A. but at the same time you were trying to find agencies to hook you up in Bogota. I hate to tell you this but you are starting to sound like a troll. If you are to scared to go to L.A. then don´t go it won´t hurt no one´s feelings here stick with the Russians you seem to know them. We don´t and we don´t care.

... in response to Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU &am..., posted by Fuzzyone on Jul 28, 2005

Hey Fuzzy, give the man a break. You are happy but he is trying to figure out a gameplan. that is what we are here for - to help. he will make a decision and get on the plane - trust me on that

... in response to Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU &am..., posted by Fuzzyone on Jul 28, 2005

it was NOT at the same time I was looking for an agency. I purchased my ticket for a vacation to Bogota. A few weeks later after getting invited by Papi to one of his socials & corresponding with him & changed my mind & decided to perhaps just start on this trip thus my seeking advice on agencies.

... in response to By the way, posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

you are doing the right thing..good to ask a lot of questions. i wish i did before but there is no perfect plan

... in response to Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU &am..., posted by Fuzzyone on Jul 28, 2005

First off I don't understand why my indecision has you so worked up. I'm far from a troll. Just wondering if someone has an UN biased opinion on BOTH. I've been to one so I can share about that. I've never been to the other. As of right now I STILL have my ticket for Bogota for Aug 11th.

... in response to Re: Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

Well what I do not understand what is there to compare? There is nothing to compare L.A. to the old U.S.S.R. If you try to read some of the old post here you would see how the woman are in L.A. You will not get a unbiased opinion of L.A. woman here as the same on the other forums. So what you are telling us you had several trips planned for this summer to go to Bogota or Colombia or to Costa Rica or just a vacation to meet woman in L.A.? What I am trying to get across to you is the following... your boys on your forum asked you point blank Hey Frank are defecting to L.A.? Oh no guys I am not I am just going on vacation that is all don´t worry. There is no body here that can make your mind up for you, compare what ever you want but sooner or later the guys here will get tied of having to spoon feed you everything because you can´t decide if you plan on putting milk in your coffee or drink it black.... Christ just do it and stop thinking about it!!

... in response to Re: Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

Frank, if you still have your ticket - why not try to workout a deal with Nelson and visit your other friend, if you find the ladies attractive in his agency?? Then maybe try Cali. If it works - you will save yourself a bundle. If no good, it isn't going to kill you monetarily in the long run. I'd say one trip to Bog and one to Cali would be a good effort. no good - back to Kiev. This way you wont second guess yourself if you do end up going back to Kiev

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Has anyone here been to both..., posted by papi on Jul 28, 2005

THAT sounds like a plan.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Has anyone here been to ..., posted by Frank O on Jul 29, 2005

only go if you are hot on his babes - at least find 10-12 attractive minimum because some will not be available, interested or look the same as their pics. if not, pick another place/agency

... in response to Has anyone here been to both FSU & L..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

Friend, you know one place. you have gotten more than enough good advice on the other. Like the commercial - just do it! If you are hesitant on LA, then go back to Kiev - your call man

... in response to Has anyone here been to both FSU & L..., posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

yep, both are completely diffrent in so many ways, some good, some bad. would require  a small novel to explain it all.

... in response to Re: Has anyone here been to both FSU &am..., posted by mudd on Jul 28, 2005

Mudd have you actually been to both? If so I'd like to talk to you man.

... in response to Have you?, posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

lets see, where have i been?  russia, belarus, ukraine, germany, france, poland, czech republic, austria, and a few small others in that area.   canada, mexico, peru, colombia, costa rica, panama. yep, thats about it.

... in response to Re: Have you?, posted by mudd on Jul 28, 2005

But were those on business or for actually seeking a wife? I mean I've been to the Bahamas, Mexico, Ireland, Britain, & Netherlands but only to Mexico & Ukraine for a wife. Just trying to see if someone can A/B the difference without bias.

... in response to Re: Re: Have you?, posted by Frank O on Jul 28, 2005

france, germany, mexico, canada, poland were for fun, but in all actuality, they were all fun