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Hay guy's,,,,,,i have been going to cali for 7 years now,,,,,,,,,and just got back from
medillin,,,Spent 10 day's there,,,,,i can say,it was the best.Started looking at
places,,I bought a place in,el tazoro in pablato,,,i think thats the spelling,,sorry,,,,,the
twines,,its a penthouse,,top floor,,i have the hole floor,,,,,its the bomb.Also,,,buying a
coffie shop,,,just to have somthing ,to keep busy.The place will be done aug,5,Im
going back on the 27,,for 4 months,,or so,,Over all,,,,,medillin,,,,,,,is a much cleaner
city,,,,not a lot of agency's,,,,,,,its perfect,,and talk about,,girls,,,,well,,,,,,its really
diferent then cali,,,,just my take.So,,i will be happy to answer any questions,,Just
ask away,I will tell you strait,,,good luck,,

... in response to report from medillin, posted by CHITOWNMIKE on Jul 29, 2005

CHITOWNMIKE
I AM MOVING TO MEDELLIN NOV 20 WHAT CAN I EXPECT TO PAY FOR A NICE PENTHHOUSE CONO WHAT ARE THE PRICE RANGES. ALSO IVE HEARD YOU CAN HIRE A LIVE IN HOUSE KEEPER FOR VERY LITTLE MONEY. ANY INFORMATION YOU CAN GIVE ME ABOUT MEDELLIN WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED
ED

... in response to report from medillin, posted by CHITOWNMIKE on Jul 29, 2005

Mike,
I really liked Medellin.I could live there.But we haven't had much in the way of success stories there,Seeker's being a welcome exception to that.
Personally I tend to rely on agencies and I pretty much went through the possibilities in the only significant one in town in 4 days.
I know you see lots of attractive women,and it sounds like you met a few.So keep us posted.
And Pablo,I know you like it there,but how is the women situation working out?

Pete

... in response to Re: report from medillin, posted by Pete E on Aug 1, 2005


"And Pablo, I know you like it there, but how is the women situation working out?"

Hola Don Pedro,

You might have missed my post, "Medellin Musings", but I am finding the Paisa women to be absolutely wonderful.  There is a saying among the small expatriate community here...Every single day you could fall in love in Medellin, because the place is loaded with an abundance of lovely women, many of which are absolutely stunning.  Don't forget that besides Seeker, Nykko and Utopiacowoy found their lovely wives in Medellin.  Also remember not to base your opinion on the lack of success stories as I imagine many happy men that have found their media naranjas couldn’t care less about posting on a forum.    

It really is interesting reading some accounts of how the women are hard to meet here as I am finding no difficulty meeting ladies and this without having to rely on the three or so agencies.  They are useful and have their place, but I'm sure you already know that the majority of the women would never consider joining one.  

I think all it takes is to have some time on your hands, a positive friendly attitude, know some Spanish, be outgoing, well-mannered, dress sharp, a good sense of humor and for good measure, learn to dance Latin style.  ¡Dios Mio!, you will need a secretary to keep all your appointments straight.  

Let me elaborate on one of the needed qualities I just mentioned about how important it is to be outgoing.  Too often stateside even the nice guys get shot down in such a competitive environment for the few available sought after women.  Here, it's totally opposite with the odds stacked way in your favor.  Sure you might get rejected by some, but many of these women would be thrilled to have a foreign guy love and cherish them.  

At times, I catch myself being a little reserved but force myself to be more assertive because it pays off handsomely if you approach a lady with a little finesse and style.  If there is a little chemistry on her part, dude you have just made it to first base.  I've mentioned this before, but leave the shyness back home.  If one makes this necessary transition without being obnoxious in his approach with the ladies he will learn the muy Paisa saying, "Dios le pague".

You will never guess what age they think an old maid is here.  Would you believe…28-30!  The younger ladies with a kid or two feel about the same as these “over the hill mamacitas” that they too have less of a chance at finding a good guy.

I will soon post some photos (next day or two) of the Cabalgata Feria de las Flores for those that would like to see just a few of the literally thousands of beautiful women I saw that day.  You won’t believe it!

... in response to Re: Re: report from Medellin, posted by pablo on Aug 1, 2005

you are right on the mark as to the age that is considered over the hill. in colombia if you are in your late 20's and not married, its a death sentence, your chances become slimmer with every second over 27 and if you have kids its even worse. guys always go for the 18-24 year olds...there are so many guys cheating on their wives with these younger ones because they are easy, real easy. things are starting to change, i see in bogota women putting more emphasis on their career before getting married but it wont be for a few years before its like in the US. a woman over here that is 30 is just right, at that age in colombia they have passed their expiration date.
JK

... in response to Re: Re: report from Medellin, posted by pablo on Aug 1, 2005

Pablo,
Thanks,I am looking forward to the pictures.Its easy to get gun shy
getting rejected in the US.But I would think your spanish would also need to be pretty good to just strike up a conversation.
I just bought the Rosetta computer spanish language course.Maybe that will get me working on it more.Just living in Cali without much study I get by with the everyday stuff,stores,taxis,ect.but my conversational skills are weak.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: report from Medellin, posted by Pete E on Aug 1, 2005

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its good to see that you are interested in improving your conversational skills, i know that this part has always given me the edge over others, being able to express myself verbally and in written form has always impressed the women i've met.
JK

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: report from Medellin, posted by jediknight on Aug 1, 2005

I know it but I haven't done it.The Colombians that tried to teach me were not very good at it.Just started off somewhere in the middle,frustrated the hell out of me.
So if this computer course works its worth the $330 for level one and two.Anything can work that we will use.I did a programed study course years ago,to augment a psychology
course I was taking.I got the top score in 170 students by about 8% over the next best student.And it was easy,just one simple step building on the last,backing up if you needed to and repeating each concept 5 times before moving on.Hopefully I will get equally excited about this one.I NEED something to motivate me.
I bought a cheap,like $30 computer course before.It started with speech recognition.My sound card or something in my computer couldn't handle that and you couldn't skip it so I was stopped about where I started.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: report from Medellin, posted by Pete E on Aug 2, 2005


Don Pedro,

Send me your address via email.  I want to send you the Pimsleur Spanish classes if you haven't yet tried them.

It's a super easy way to start getting conversational.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: report from Mede..., posted by pablo on Aug 2, 2005

Pablo,
I have them already,thanks.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: report from Mede..., posted by pablo on Aug 2, 2005

i've heard these pimsleur classes are very good, take pablo up on his offer. also, one thing that helped me a lot was watching colombian soap operas, they were great to pick up many converstional phrases and the women were hot, nice eye candy.
JK

... in response to pete, posted by jediknight on Aug 2, 2005

I brought pimsler spanish classes on my IPOD but it won't work through the car radio most of the time using the ITRIP transmitter attachment.After 6500 miles of driving someone will probably tell me something simple I was doing wrong now.

Pete

... in response to report from medillin, posted by CHITOWNMIKE on Jul 29, 2005

I hear that Medellin is a very nice city. Much nicer than Cali so I'm told.

But what I would really like to see is pictures of really beautiful paisas. You know the kind that like to go out with americans.

I'm sure that there are many beautiful women in Medellin but what I'm not so sure of is their availablity compared to Cali because I've been dating a couple of real knock outs in Cali lately.

... in response to report from medillin, posted by CHITOWNMIKE on Jul 29, 2005

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the info on your trip, etc.  I have heard some good things about Medellin over the last couple of years.  Can you share with me why you so impressed with the city and the ladies?  I am especially interested in finding out how you would compare it to Cali?  I have only been to Cali twice.  I have never been to Medellin, but I am considering it.  I have exchanged some emails with another poster on this board, (Pablo) who also lives down there.  He has spoken highly of that city too.  So, I am just wanting to get your prospective.  Good luck in your search.

                          OkieMan

... in response to Re: report from medillin, posted by OkieMan on Jul 29, 2005

i have a friends from medellin, a couple of girls work with me, they are the nicest and hardestworking women you could ever meet but they tell me that if the economic situation in colombia were better, they would not have come here, they love their city. they are here to make some money and then move back, start a business and stay there, perhaps travel back and forth. they've also told me that many in medellin are not looking to find a gringo to leave medellin, many would prefer to stay there, so i think that just being a gringo isn't that much of an advantage as in other cities, its certainly intriguing to them but i feel that women in medellin are a lot less desperate to leave so you will have to have a lot to offer before they will pick up and come here.
JK

... in response to medellin, posted by jediknight on Jul 30, 2005


Granted, living here in Medellin has many advantages over a guy who is making the occasional trip(s) in search of his sweetheart.  JK, I think what you say is true that many of the women here aren't really interested in moving back to the States because after all, Medellin is a nice city and many aren't really excited about leaving family and friends.  

In case that discourages anyone from trying though let me remind the board about two success stories who just happen to be fellow posters...Nikkyo and Utopiacowboy.  Talk about quick romances!  To be more accurate, UC was in contact a few months (Amigos.com) with his future wife before they met but after doing so he was a goner. Now correct me if I'm wrong UC, but your wife didn’t necessarily want to move to the States but of course did because she was just as much in love with you and you were with her.  

Nikkyo met his lovely wife at CSH and after a few weeks knew he wanted her to be his wife.  Last I heard they are in the States and will be married soon and are as happy as two peas in a pod.  They are two very special people that deserved to find each other.

From my perspective, I think it's a positive if you meet a lady who isn't all gung-ho about moving to the States.  If she were, I would view that as a possible red flag.    

Really, how many of you guys believe that if you met a special lady and both of you were madly in love with each other, it would be a deal breaker because she wanted to remain in her Colombian hometown?  I think that not many would ever fall in that category.  Most, if not all ladies would follow their man back home if she loved him.

We could have a silly debate as to what city is best and why, but all I’m saying guys (to those that haven’t made the trip south or have and gotten somewhat discouraged) is that you need to come because if you never do, you won’t even be able to find one of these very special women.

I’ve got to get ready now for the Cabalgata Feria de las Flores.  (Hundreds of horses on parade with tons of beautiful ladies both riding and milling about.)  I might post some photos later for viewing pleasure and to convince any doubting Thomas’s that there many beautiful women here.

Roger that & out compadres.    

... in response to Re: Medellin Musings, posted by pablo on Jul 30, 2005

Hey Pablo,

I think that would be great if you could take some photos of the ladies and the festival down there.  Instead of just seeing photos taken by some professional we don't know, it would mean a lot more if you were taking some, and posting them on picturetrail.com.  Naturally, it would be great to see some photos of some honest, to goodness latinas that you personally met or saw-- not just some professional models paid to smile into a camera.  Also, you and others have told us what a beautiful city Medellin is; so even though I have already seen a few photos of that city, more would be nice.  Try to have a good time.  I am sure it's rough being surrounded by beautiful latinas all the time! ha  What's the old phrase:" it's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it! ha

                             OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: Medellin Musings, posted by OkieMan on Jul 30, 2005

Okie,
 One of the guys from the WLC board posted photos of Medellin a while back.  I was there with my now, ex-novia earlier this year.  It is a nicer city than Cali, but it is still Colombia.  I would like to make a trip back there before the end of the year since it is time to start over.  I liked the fact that the weather was a bit cooler than Cali, especially visiting the places on the side of the mountain, like Poblado.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Medellin Musings, posted by A1A on Jul 31, 2005

A1A,

Thank you for sharing a little of your story.  Since you have actually been to Medellin and have dated women there, maybe you could give me your opinion of how you would compare the women of Medellin to the women of Cali?  I have been to Cali twice, and will probably go back; but I am also wanting to find out more about Medellin.  You and others have said many good things about the city.  But, from what I can gather the women there are more reserved, if not aloof.  Based on some of the different posters on this board, there seems to be a difference of opinion on how accessible the women of Medellin are to the average gringo. By the way, at this time, I do not speak much spanish, but I am working on it. I also noticed on your profile info that we are of similar age. Plus, you have 3 daughters, and I have 3 sons,plus a step-daughter.  All my
children are grown.   Well, at any rate, I am just curious about your experiences in Medellin.  Good luck in your search.

                          OkieMan

... in response to Re: Medellin Musings, posted by pablo on Jul 30, 2005

My wife would have been perfectly happy to stay in Medellin. In fact she still owns the apartment she had on Carerra 78A in Belen Miravalle. Her sister's family is living there since their own place in Itaqui is in a much worse neighborhood. Who knows? Maybe at some point we'll move back there. To me the fact that they love their city and they don't normally want to leave is a GOOD thing. They're not looking for a way out of Colombia nor an easy way to get a green card. My wife never had any aspirations to live in the United States but she's happy as a clam here with her husband, her children and her house and garden. You can't do better than get a paisa.

... in response to You are absolutely right, Senor., posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 30, 2005

i haven't been to medellin but would like to get to know the city, i'd like to buy a place to have for us when we retire, which is still a looooong way off but if there is an opportunity to get a nice apt i'll do so, barranquilla is too hot and bogota can get very cold at night, so medellin is an option.
JK

... in response to You are absolutely right, Senor., posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 30, 2005

UC,

I think if the truth were known, your wife married you and moved to Texas because she felt sorry for you.  She probably didn't want to see you walk around all the time with your tongue hanging out and howling at the moon! ha

                               OkieMan

... in response to Re: You are absolutely right, Senor., posted by OkieMan on Jul 30, 2005

If that's what it took, Okie, I've got no complaints!

... in response to Whatever works!, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 30, 2005

UC,

I couldn't resist teasing you.  It is very obvious that you are a happy man, and I wish you and your wife all the best!

                          OkieMan

... in response to Re: report from medillin, posted by OkieMan on Jul 29, 2005

Okie, a lot has been written about MDE.  It is a clean, organized and a wonderful city with a great climate.  The women are lighter with jet dark hair and gorgeous but somewhat less gringo motivated – why leave?  Agencies are a challenge, you have far more selections in Cali, BQ, Bog, etc.  Frankly,  I feel you would do better in other areas in finding a wife but you could try starting to write to some ladies in mde. suerte

... in response to Re: Re: report from medillin, posted by papi on Jul 29, 2005

all true,nice city to visit. girls are harder too meet though, and they are less likely to be in an agency and care about meeting a gringo, unless you really have something to offer them, (close to their age, good looking, good job, good family, good personality), but not impossible.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: report from medillin, posted by mudd on Jul 29, 2005

The ones in the agencies are a more gringo motivated if one finds an agency girl there that floats their boat but trying to meet a hottie in lleras, Poblado, the gym or the malls is not much different than Miami.  They are gorgeous but better off economically and their novios have money.  Many could careless about meeting a gringo, especially with an age, looks difference as you so note.  But it is still doable, but for that matter so is South Beach if you put forth the effort. But there are other barrios with lower hanging fruit if one is so inclined to really work the area.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: report from medillin, posted by papi on Jul 29, 2005

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y vivo en Medellin.  Gozo realmente está aquí.  

Meeting the ladies here is not as easy as shooting fish in a barrel but it's not that difficult meeting these wonderful Paisas.  Sure, there are many ladies that you won't get very far with but many more that are interested in meeting a foreign guy.

I went to the town center today with another expatriate and it took my buddy all of three minutes after parking the car for him to eye a lady and another three to exchange numbers with her.  She seemed to enjoy the chance encounter.  I teased him afterwards, calling him such a fast and smooth operator and all he started the conversation with her was, "Hablas ingles?" and proceeded from there.  

A few minutes later we saw a couple ladies working in a small convenience store and made up an excuse to purchase something.  We started talking to the owner's son in English and you should have seen those ladies ears perk up.  A short while later we were exchanging pleasantries with them.  The son even introduced us to them and gave us free drinks!

Later we both saw a gorgeous lady crossing the street heading our way and my friend was off again like a puppy dog to a bone.  He came back empty handed this time, in fact she didn't even want to stop and acknowledge his flirtations.  Two out of three isn't too bad in my opinion, especially in such a short time and this is doing cold calls folks.

As for Parque Lleras, I was there the other evening and was invited by some Colombiano friends to join a table filled with some local guys and gals (introductions are probably the best method of meeting these ladies).  Two of the ladies (the most attractive out of the bunch, imagine that!) weren't with any guys and before the evening was out I was able to exchange telephone numbers with one of these lovelies.  I'm not trying to be boastful, rather I want to convince some of you guys that there are many ways to meet many quality women here.

With all due respect, I'm not sure why Papi and Mudd are expressing these concerns but from my viewpoint, I feel like I've done died and gone to heaven.  The annoying traffic jams quickly convince me this place isn't quite perfect jolting me back into reality but in regards to meeting women, it's not that far off.  If you have the ability to spend any length of time here a normal guy with some good qualities and some Spanish speaking abilities will have more dates with these wonderful women than he could possible handle.  There is NO comparison with what's available here to what's available back in my hometown Stateside...none.

Mike, you did well calling Medellin your new home.  I think you will be very glad you made this decision but shhh, don’t spread the good news too much as we haven’t yet decided on a novia. ;-)   Drop me a line when you get settled in.  The first beer is on me.

Feria de las Flores, bonzi!!!

... in response to Soy un catano sabroso..., posted by pablo on Jul 30, 2005

Your experiences are exactly in line with my own experiences, Pablo. Guys are probably reading your posts thinking, sure, sure, it can't be like that. Let me assure any doubters out there that Pablo knows what he is talking about.

... in response to Now THAT's what I'm talking about!!!, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 30, 2005

I didn't read all the posts before posting above and forgot thats where you met your wife.
I think its a great place,and probably works better for a more experienced guy who speaks good spanish.For Okieman,I doubt its a good bet unless he really had the right help.
I love the Park  Llegas and El Poblano area.We were thinking it looked like Europe or Buenas Aires.

Pete

... in response to Re: Now THAT's what I'm talking about!!!, posted by Pete E on Aug 1, 2005

The only way it would work for Okieman is if he had Pablo or Chitownmike helping him. Without that kind of help, I would not recommend it for the novice who does not speak Spanish.

... in response to Soy un catano sabroso..., posted by pablo on Jul 30, 2005

makes a big diffrence if your living there

... in response to Soy un catano sabroso..., posted by pablo on Jul 30, 2005

Pablo, for starters, your friend stole my favorite pickup line: Habla ingles?  Secondly, you live there – makes a huge difference.  Move to Cali or BQ and you will need to start your own mini-agency.  I still feel it is more difficult in MDE but doable.  And yes, the women are better looking there in mde. If there were better agencies there (i like having an agency as base camp and then work from there) and things did not workout with my current interest, i'd be inclined to go back. Now, it is operation - BQ

... in response to Re: Soy un catano sabroso..., posted by papi on Jul 30, 2005

Pablo, for starters, your friend stole my favorite pickup line: Habla ingles?

Get the Flock out of here!  that's been around longer than you've been coming to SA.

Please Steve.......get real

... in response to Re: Re: Soy un catano sabroso..., posted by Heat on Jul 30, 2005

yea, i know. you are right. yet still highly effective

... in response to Soy un catano sabroso..., posted by pablo on Jul 30, 2005

Hi Pablo,

It is good to see your posts again. You certainly make Medellin sound very tempting.  I am hoping to make a trip to Medellin in the foreseeable future.  However, right now, I am covered up with work.  Take care and keep us informed of your progress on the latina front.  By the way, approximately what ages were these lovely ladies that you just mentioned?  If I recall, you seem to go for the really young ones.  Do you find there is a good variety of ladies from around the metro area of Medellin, or do you find there is a few select spots that you have the best results of meeting ladies?  Good luck.
   
                            OkieMan

... in response to report from medillin, posted by CHITOWNMIKE on Jul 29, 2005

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