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... in response to Re: Real Men with real Cajones Do Mens W..., posted by Frank O on Jul 22, 2005

It is good see someone  not just talking and writing hundreds of post and not going south. My hat is off to you . To bad a few more could not folllow in your shoes . .... Frank ooo think as it as a vacation and then if you do meet someone specail that is a bonus . So many ( myself included) have gone there with great expectations over one lady ........ you get my drift ........

... in response to Re: Re: Real Men with real Cajones Do Me..., posted by Jake on Jul 22, 2005

Jake, I told Frank he should cancel on Bogota unless some agencies get a hold of him quick. He only has one contact (a women he met though me via email).  I also sent an email to Nelson and hopefully he will get back to Frank today or any other agency owners in Bogota whom might be reading this and can help him out with some introductions.  Anybody Friends with Nelson - please tell him to check his email or post here. Frank needs a better gameplan.  Forget the vacation – Frank wants to meet someone and I don’t blame him.  But he's not going to meet some women without a plan.  I told him that I would tag up with him but probably not in Bogota. I am trying to talk him into meeting me in Panama at the TLC thing. If not, I might be open to a trip back to Cali or possibly Kiev where Frank really has most interest. Your Brazil is a whole other topic

... in response to Frank's Trip to Bogota (SOS All Bog Agen..., posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Well I just have to make up my mind. Like you said Papi without a game plan it's a waste of time AND $$. Just had a Uke write me back totally out of the blue. Not sure if perhaps she heard me & Diana were kaputz. She was ACTUALLY my #2 choice that I passed over for Diana. What a trip, strange timing to say the least.
Still thinking HEAVILY of either Colombia or Panama. Just need to decide & DO it. I'm not one to sit behind a keyboard & fantasize. I like to get things DONE. But gotta do em right!!

... in response to Re: Frank's Trip to Bogota (SOS All Bog ..., posted by Frank O on Jul 22, 2005

Out of the blue? Well, if they're from the same city and your X really went back home, it wasn't hard for #2 to figure out the score. Even if they haven't talked directly to each other, I'm sure your X has by now been talked ABOUT plenty in the local MOB community.....ala...."Well, girls, if I were lucky enough to get a Gringo (or what ever the local term is), I'd have been SMART enough to have at least PRETENDED until I got my green card." (Not infering that is #2's attitude per se, but I'm sure some of the girls in the 'club' used those exact words and for sure #2 has heard the news---this speculation is, of course, valid only if they are in the same city)

... in response to Re: Frank's Trip to Bogota (SOS All Bog ..., posted by Frank O on Jul 22, 2005

Well, cancel your plans to Bogota unless you hear from some agencies ASAP and they offer you a good plan. Dont go for one woman yu have not met. I would give it 24hrs as some astute agency ought to read this by that time.  Again, i can always use a good wingman. Love to have you in Panama. I may go to BQ if things develop more with Penelope and she continues to write me. If not, Cali and Kiev might be good hunting

... in response to BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Info for the other large Bogota agency

Jim Heinrich - Owner
Margot - Agency Manager

www.latinlifemates.com

Latin Life Mates, Inc.
1057 S.E.17th Street Causeway
Suite #201
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316
Tel: 1-800-908-8377 or Outside U.S. 1-954-524-2244
Fax: (954) 527-1340

Email: info@latinlifemates.com

... in response to Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

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by the way, did you note that this thread started out about a discussion from Heat on men with balls?? not sure how we got on Frank's trip

... in response to Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Also note that the originator of this thread has not made a single response to anyone else. That is quite unusual for him. More normal to be very involved. More so than most of us. Perhaps out of town or travelling? We all have committments of time and energy that affect our ability to be involved. For me, I have had the past few days "off" and lots of free time. Very rare for me and coming to a close. Signing off now. Must wake early for business meeting and very busy weekend plus a day. Several days of intense work ahead. Regards.

... in response to Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Yeh, that totally craks me up. LOL

Seems to be somewhat common. Threads just flow in random directions. I don't have time to read them all and focus on just interesting subject titles. Like "a box of chocolates" you never know what you're going to get.

... in response to Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

i was helping Frank with LAI...we got a response but waiting on price. If Jim is reading this, Frank's email is available in the member section. TLC is taking over my website, but i still am getting mail at the info@tropic-romance.com for the time being

... in response to BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Papi I disagree with your paniced situation regarding Frank. Have him just get on the phone with one of the girls (Christy or Ximena) or directly with Nelson if he is available. (888) 419-1407

christy@latinintro.com
ximena@latinintro.com
nelson@latinintro.com

IMO he is better off just going and let the staff take care of him. Personal introductions are way better than emails in Bogota. The staff can get to know a little about who he is as a person and make their own recommendations. Its a bit faster than him choosing who he thinks is the most beautiful in a photo. They are almost all great lookers.

Best for him to be available to be at the agency on a Sunday. That is when they do the photo shoots. Many women to meet every photo session. Weekends also better because the women who work have more free time. During weekdays, they come into the agency after work late afternoon and early evening.

I don't quickly have Jim's contact information for the other agency, Latin Life Mates. Perhaps someone else can supply that info for Frank.

And by the way, recommending Kiev is just not appropriate for this guy, IMO.

In my humble opinion. Don't make the guy panic. This is his first trip. Chill.

... in response to Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

why not panic..this is a matter of great importance!

... in response to Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Possibly, but its not a panic situation for Frank. Read his post somewhere below.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

no, but i get the impression that he is going to blow off Colombia and back to Kiev. i was trying to help him put something good together and fly on to Bog. we did hear back from LAI

... in response to Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

it is not really a panic and i did email to some of the addresses you listed - but sometimes they need a wake-up call in Bogota. He met someone from my now defunct agency but i did not think it made sense to make his first trip to Bogota or Colombia for that matter with only one contact. Frank told me earlier that he was seriously considering canceling his early Aug trip and focus on Kiev instead. If we can get an agency to respond (which they are sometimes slow to do so in Bog), it might still be worth going. Just trying to help

... in response to Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

CelticUrge,

I don't want to get mixed up in Frank's business.  But, for my own information, have you used Nelson's agency before?  I can't remember all of your comments on the board about your own situation; but if you have first hand knowledge with that agency, I would like to know it. I am not sure which city I will go back to when I decide to return to Colombia.  However, since there has been several positive comments about Bogota, I will consider it.  Please tell me your opinion-- pros and cons, etc.  How would you compare the women from Bogota to Cali, Medellin, etc?

                         OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by OkieMan on Jul 22, 2005

Most guys on forum seem to be much more connected with and familiar with Cali, Barranquilla, Cartegena, Medellin than Bogota.

Used Nelson's LAI agency. Approx. 12 or more trips to Bogota starting 1999. Treated very well. Know several men married from this agency. Absolutely no hesitation to use them again, or recommend to you.

Women in Bogota tend to be more educated, run their own businesses, or work for some business. Less free time than girls in Cali, for example. Although, this is purely subjective on my part. Met many eligible women from all walks of life including, models (avoided), news anchor, factory owner (5 or 6 factories as I recall), fashion designer, doctors, nurse, dentists, lawyers, students, actress, travel agent, etc.

Now have several friends and business connections in Bogota. They visit me in Houston or we meet at a trade show in Orlando, cross paths visiting, etc. depending on our schedules.

Once you choose a city and decide to return, seriously consider taking more time, like two weeks or more. Month is better than four days. I know, I run my own business and can't go for a month either. The point is that you increase your opportunities to meet more women, spend more time with any you may be interested in getting to know better and overall feel more confortable going out on your own to the numerous restaurants, night clubs, sights, etc. to meet women outside the agency.

... in response to Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by OkieMan on Jul 22, 2005


CONS-
-not always fast at responding to email
-offer a B&B but you pay for the breakfast
-maybe not the hottest women in the land, some old pics not updated
-negotiate taxes in advance
-Bogota has the least flexible agencies for citas only, etc. (for experienced travelers)

PROS-
-Nelson and family are super nice people
-safe, clean accommodations in nice area
-reliable airport p/u
-cozy little bar in the agency
-reasonably efficient staff
-well-run hotel, agency

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

CelticUrge,

Thanks for the info and your comments.  Since I have never been to Bogota, I am always trying to find ways to compare that to Cali, or other Colombian cities.  I am also considering a trip to Medellin.  Unfortunately, I don't have the time or the money to just go everywhere I would like to. BTW, you mentioned a point about the Bogota agencies not wanting to negotiate for citas.  So, will they not negotiate at all?
I do not want to pay them $500-600 or more for some "lifetime membership".  To me, that makes no sense.  Now to them, that is great,but not for me.  I realize that they try to sell you on the old "you get what you pay for" routine.  But, after a certain dollar amount, it just becomes silly to me.  After all, the other cities will indeed negotiate, and I am certainly not convinced that Bogota has a corner on the market.  But, still, I have noticed that on the Bogota agency websites, the ladies do seem to be sharp.  As far as the photos not being current, I guess that is just part of the deal at any agency.  So, thanks for the info.  I will continue to try to learn more.

                         OkieMan

P.S.   What kind of business do you have?  I am in the book business.  I market books to schools.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by OkieMan on Jul 22, 2005

OM: Was it me that mentioned they don't negotiate? I'll have to re-read posts for that. Thought it was Papi. I don't know about the "negotiation." Price for walks ins used to be lower than paying from here. Pick up the phone and call the agency. Best way. I take more of a shotgun approach and pay for whatever elite membership is available. I don't like to have part of the pie, I want it all available to me. I care more about the end result than quibbling over a few hundred dollars. Even joined the two largest agencies, same city. It's a small percentage of the total cost for multiple trips, finding someone, and finally bringing home the bacon. Overall, this is a major committment of time and money.

Ladies on web site issue. I am not aware of LAI keeping any on website that are not available. Keep in mind that only the woman can request the photo removed from website (I assume this is the case with LAI). If some dude is "engaged" and she wants photo to remain, then it stays. To best of my knowledge, true throughout the agencies. Also keep in mind that the act of keeping a web site current, removing some photos, etc. is very time consuming. I'm sure it is a higher priority for the business to process new girls, take photos, post in the "in house catalog" then post on web site. There have been many posts about photos that remain on site when woman no longer available. However, as I recall, those posts focus on only a few agencies, none in Bogota. Correct me if I am wrong.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP..., posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

CelticUrge,

Thanks for your response.  By the way, it seems we are the same age, and live in neighboring States.  In fact, when I was a teenager, I lived in Texas for a while.  My parents moved us to Conroe for a while, so I went to Houston many times, back then. My Dad had a construction company in those days.  I helped him during the summer breaks.  We worked in Houston, Crocket and other areas, as well as right in Conroe.   I live in the Tulsa area now.  Best of luck in your search.

                     OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Best to reach by phone.
Many places to stay within 5-10 minute taxi ride.
Some places to stay within even short walk.
I previously sent Frank info re: places to stay.
They are also honest.
Several small restaurants, convenience stores and flower shop walking distance.
Santa Barbara Mall 10 minute walk if you want short exercise.
Take date to the mall in taxi, unless she insists on walking (unlikely).

BTW both LAI and LLM agencies near each other.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

i walked with a date(s) to Santa Barbara. but i like walking - taxis are a drag

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP..., posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

I agree. Like to walk. But careful not to impose on woman that does not really want to walk very far.

... in response to Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

First off I MYSELF am NOT panicked. LOL!!! Far from it. As for Kiev not being appropriate not sure what that means as I've been there 5 times. I know my way around Kiev really well & aside from the logistics I have NO problem going. However I AM interested in Latin America & I AM fluent in Spanish whereas I'm not so in Russian. I not at ALL worried about my trip. I'd just rather go with a mission rather than my previous thoughts about a vacation.

... in response to Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by Frank O on Jul 22, 2005

Geez, if you are fluent in Spanish, you ought to just pick out a Colombian city you want to visit and go there. Believe me, you will meet women by the boatload. The agencies are for guys who can't speak Spanish and need their hands held. I don't think you need your hand held from the sounds of it.

... in response to Why even mess with the agencies???????, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 22, 2005

Utopia, you know that is BS. For starters, he's never been there - where is he supposed to go and with no wingman? I have met and dated ladies outside the agencies meeting around town, malls, bar, etc., but it isn't as easy as you make it sound.

... in response to Re: Why even mess with the agencies?????..., posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Yes, it is. If you speak fluent Spanish and circulate, you shouldn't have any problem. A wingman? Somebody to hold your hand? In his case, I don't think so. I never used a wingman or a translator. I think it's fine for someone like Okieman to use an agency but with Frank, why bother?

... in response to The guy speaks fluent Spanish!, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 24, 2005

Utopia, Frank has never been to Colombia - he has no idea where to go. But sounds like he's going to blow off Colombia anyway and head back to Kiev

... in response to Re: The guy speaks fluent Spanish!, posted by papi on Jul 24, 2005

My brother is married to an ethnic Russian from Odessa in the Ukraine. I'd take a Colombiana over one of them any day. I think he's making a big mistake but each to his own....

... in response to Oh no!, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 24, 2005

yea, well - Frank is into it. i have never been but the chicas are gorgeous

... in response to Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by Frank O on Jul 22, 2005

Good for you Frank that you are not paniced. Papi's posts included SOS and HELP. Thought that needed a response. He is more concerned about you than you are concerned about yourself. Make somebody a good father!

For me, I looked at trips as a vacation, with a mission. When I did not have a date, and there were plenty, I went somewhere to see sight, palace, or whatever attracted my attention. Sometimes went back to same location with a date.

I think you'll do just fine. You asked a lot of the right questions and probably have acquired a pile of information by now. If there is any additional information that you feel you are lacking, let us all know.

How long is your stay in Colombia?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

Thanks & thanks for the past info you sent me as well. I m supposed to leave on the 11th & return on the 16th but like I said I'm having second thoughts. For one work has slowed to a grind I do NOT want to go financially strapped to the point it would mess up plans for a FUTURE trip.
Also had my #2 choice in Ukraine write me back. I've been kicking myself in the A$$ for passing her up for my soon to be ex now she writes me 2 years later out of the blue? Perhaps she heard I was back on the market. Heck, I nearly MARRIED her!! Anyways I'm pretty cool right now so I'm in NO HURRY. I'm just thinking if I wait I could run an ad for me & see how many respond then take it from there. That's my usual modus operandi. I feel VERY confortable working that way. I'm not too crazy into going into an agency & picking them out. I prefer THEM to pick ME out. I can then select from there. I'll see I WILL be traveling within the next 3 months for sure. Just have to make sure WHERE.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by Frank O on Jul 22, 2005

Frank: Sounds to me like you may end up not going this trip. Whenever you do finally go, try to make it a longer visit. Difficult to do much in four days. Once you are settled in, the agency staff gets to know you and will make recommendations to both yourself and the women. Remember, they get to know both the guys and girls. It becomes obvious to the staff what kind of person you are and what women may work out for you. That takes a couple of days. For example, if some guy is more interested in just getting laid, the staff will figure it out, as do the women. If some guy is quiet and laid back and keeps choosing the type "A" personality 10's they would assist you in considering other women. If you are honest, sincere, and so on they will definitely pick up on that as well.

There was a post recently about the older, fat, balding guys that don't get a response or date with the great looking women. Not saying you are. Never met or seen your photo. Anyway, no s**t sherlock. Get real and don't waste their time. The women get a call, come in and look over the photos and profile of the guy requesting a meeting. They also have their agenda and preferences. They decide who they want to meet just like we do.

Anyway, I believe the staff, if they are good at their jobs, make a big difference in helping you to focus on the women that are more likely to be interested in you. IMO.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 22, 2005

Only because my experience with agencies in Bogota is they dont move..and when they do it is at a snails pace. Since I introduced Frank to his only contact in Bog - I wanted to see if we could put something together for him before he cancels his ticket and just goes back to Kiev. And Kiev may be his best plan, but i think he should at least give LA a try. After all, he is fluent. He's got the ticket - he should go if we can lineup a good trip. And F.k the vacation

... in response to Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by Frank O on Jul 22, 2005

Hey Frank, If your really serious and want to do things right in Bogota, there is a new agency . The woman that runs it has been involved in the biz for many years and does all on a personal basis. Check out
www.introductionsbyconsuelo.com

Or you can call Consuelo. She has a US # that will reach her in Bogota:1 - 305 - 359 - 5867

Shes the real deal and may be just right for you if this is your first time there. Also, in that the agency is new she will give a high amount of attention to help build a clientel. At the same time though, she has many years of expertise in the field and some real beauties.
If you like you can tell her Steve from Fla referred you.
Good Luck

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by latincirfer on Jul 22, 2005

Latincirfer,

I know that you were talking to Frank about his upcoming trip to Bogota; but I might also be interested at some future date (I don't know exactly when).  I just got back from a trip to Cali on June 2, and I have never been to Bogota.  I am seeking additional info on that city and the agencies there. When I saw your post to Frank, I thought that I would try to find out if you have used this lady, Consuelo before?  Was she with another agency in the past?  If so, which one?  I will check her out myself, but anything that you can tell me would be appreciated.

                         OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by latincirfer on Jul 22, 2005

Thanks I'll check that out.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by latincirfer on Jul 22, 2005

looks like she is at the high-end of things. $1500 and you cannot view the galleries without joining. Frank, lets see if we can get Nelson to move on it or Jim at LLM

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

Papi,

I was thinking of checking out her website; but if she wants $1500 and you can't even look at the galleries before joining she is way off base, as far as I am concerned.  Since I have never been to Bogota, I thought I would check on some of those Bogota agencies.  But $1500-- that is ridiculous to me!  Of course, I know the other Bogota agencies also have some high prices.  That is one big reason why I have not went there yet.  They would have to be willing to negotiate something or I am not interested.  There are way too many other options.

                               OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES HELP..., posted by OkieMan on Jul 22, 2005

Okie, i never used them - that is the price on the website and i could not get into the gallery without filling out a form. others in Bog are cheaper

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BOGOTA AGENCIES ..., posted by papi on Jul 22, 2005

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