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Planning a trip soon. Just wondering on any advice on THAT particular city. Any restaurants that are MUST's in that city? Any other sites etc? Also from my understanding all that's needed is a passport correct? No visa?

... in response to Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

Since you just finished an unfortuneate experience i do not see a rational to rush for another woman?  Why not go to bangkok and burn off some of the steam.
In any case Bogota has many restaurants.  Archies has italian food and there are several in Bogota. El corral has several fast food outlets, and a few regular restaurants with great hamburgers.  Crepes and waffles has good colombian food and good ice cream.  there are several malls that have good restaurants that also will not break you.  There are excellent restaurants as mentioned in other posts, but are expensive. the dollar has lost 23% in value against the peso in 2 years now. 90% of these girls you will meet could not afford to go to them on their own, and if you are not careful, will take advantage of you only for your dollars to wine and dine them at these places.  Since i assume you were with an eastern european woman, if you are looking for a spanish girl, they make up about 20% of the population. Mestizo's make up about 60% of the population, and then the rest of the population is of a different mix.  Though probably offending some i am too old to be politically correct, but you will find as a general rule the spanish girls in Bogota, are better educated, come from a higher class of families, and as a rule do not favor black guys, or spanish guys unless they are from spain. This is just the way it is in colombia, they are not politically correct, and they have their social classes not unlike mexico, etc. and other latin countries. (something the agencies do not tell you) Again there are several cities you can go to in colombia, and i suggest if you are looking for a certain type of woman, take your time, research and then go to the city that offers you the best opportunity for success.

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by WS244 on Jul 3, 2005

"...but you will find as a general rule the spanish girls in Bogota...as a rule do not favor black guys, or spanish guys unless they are from spain."

You'd be surprised how often general rules are generally wrong.  Darling little Claudia or Julia or Maria might whisper that to you in a restaurant one night, then the following week, and in the same breath, say something similar to someone of color with regards to dating Anglos.  Are these ladies just trying to win favor?  Also, what sparked them even bringing up the subject?  Was it suggested to them?

Regardless of race, if the guy is decent looking, makes a sufficient income, and is at least somewhat intelligent, the odds of him leaving [RANDOM LA COUNTRY] without so much as an email address or phone number are so low as to be negligible.

What is regrettable, though, is when a dog of any color misinterprets a woman's unreceptiveness as an example of racism.  

I see lots of hot Asian women where I live, but I'm a realist.  I'm your average, middle-aged, Joe Paleskin, and these are high-maintenance types who like sporty Japanese cars, younger spiked-hair dudes, and the night-club scene.  All of which I'd rather not have, be, or do.

... in response to Re: Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by doombug on Jul 4, 2005

I concur...
You need to keep in mind that many who "do not favor black guys" may have had little or no contact with them... socially, that is.  
I have found that once they get to meet and mingle they think differently - not saying that it necessarily means they will date them...
It has been my experience that if a guy- regardless of race, etc., presents himself well and treats the lady as a latina likes to be treated there is not much of a barrier.  

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by WS244 on Jul 3, 2005

[This message has been edited by Hoda]

but let's not hope that you're not too old, to learn how to accept being corrected...

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by WS244 on Jul 3, 2005

A lot of what you posted is true.  There are many social classes there and you are correct people do prefer to date in their social/economic class.  Colombians do in fact seem to revere Spain and anything about it, which I find amusing since its spain that robbed and raped their country. But anyway, Regarding the women and their preference.  I can speak from the Black perspective.  I have dated several women from Bogota.  I very well travelled well educated Dentist from a highly educated family (white), an Accountant, (again highly educated and white), a small Business owner (white) and business manager I(morena) and an Engineer (two masters degrees  and Morena).  Now I really don't know how that story about women from Bogota not wanting Black men got started. I would imagine that someone has a wife or girlfriend there that told them their opinion on the matter and I can respect that.  But simply put, I recommend to any black man to go and meet the women.  I have one one lady out of many I have corresponded with that did not want me because I was black and ironically she was as dark as I was.  

Sure women think American and they think Blonde hair and blue eyes.  Face it, America is majority white and thats the image that gets perpetuated on television etc.  HOWEVER, I think any man will discover that if you are educated, well spoken and carry yourself like a man, with manners and dignity then it doesn't matter your skin color.  I am a life memeber at LAI and I have not had a problem meeting women from Bogota (the vast majority being what we would consider white).

Now are there women there that would not date a black man. There are some women that I have met that "told" me they would not date a whiite man either.  sometimes you have take what the women tell you with a grain of salt.  

Also remember, that there are no blacks in Bogota for the most part. I do agree that the social class in Bogota goes hand in hand with skin color, but that need not preclude any man from going as thats not the type of woman you would want anyway.  Besides that, the type of woman that is most likely to join an agency or desire to marry outside her native country is not likely to have such prejudices.  

Anyway, enough said.  ANY MAN CAN FIND HAPPINESS IN SOUTH AMERICA AND NO ONE SHOULD LET THAT STOP HIM.

... in response to True but Not True, posted by Onephd on Jul 4, 2005

I thought this racial stuff has beaten to death around these forums.  At least Clay's posts were approaching this from  different angles.  

One thing for sure for the black guy or any other racial group---- You will have success in LA, europe, austria or anywhere you go. DO NOT LET ANYONE TELL YOU THAT YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL IN LATIN AMERICA. MANY OF THE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE YOU ANYWAY.  IT IS A CROCK OF CRAP THAT YOU ARE NOT PREFERED IN BOGOTA OR ANYWHERE ELSE. DON'T KNOW WHY THIS STUFF KEEPS GETTING POSTED BUT I GUESS IT IS A SAD REFLECTION OF OUR SOCIETY.

I have a black friend that is married to white lady from peru and another married to a lady from Bogota.

On another note, the saddest thing I have seen in regard to race is with a friend on mine here in Texas.  We went over to Cali together for my first trip 3 years ago and we stayed at an agency.  My friend is a professor at U of Texas, and met a woman that had a master's degree in chemical engineering and a visa who happen to be black.  She also met his other criteria, which was no kids. She did not want any.  After several visits , he fell in love and married her.  The day he brought her back his mother and father cut off all communication with him and told him as long as he is married to her they would not  talk to him.  They have not spoken for 2 years now.  My friend and his wife are very happy.  My friend is hurt and sadden that his parents are racists.  It is a shame.

Question for the black guys that post here.  Have you ever gone to anywhere in Latin America and not had a great time ????

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by WS244 on Jul 3, 2005

I just read your profile. Just curious as I'm from South Texas as well.

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by WS244 on Jul 3, 2005

Thanks for the advice & recommendations. I'm NOT rushing into ANYTHING at this moment. I NEED a vacation. Last year other than my 11 day visit in November to Ukraine I did not work for 4 days. FOUR DAYS!!!! I was working 7 days a week. The month of May & early June were a living hell for me. I'm just exhausted physically, mentally & emotionally & even spiritually. I need to get a break. I'm off till Tuesday & I've been going nuts not knowing what to DO on a day without WORK. So I'm going on a vacation. If anything comes of it fine but I'm definately NOT rushing into anything. I don't see myself getting married anywhere in the near future. Another thing I know what you mean about the class situation. I go to Mexico a lot & toured that country with a Grammy winning artis & I saw a LOT of things over there that I do NOT see in the border cities. Among them many beautiful ladies. But I understand what you are talking about. THAT is a VERY relevant thing you NEVER hear the agencies mention. Let's face it it's a business. I bought that whole load of bunk about the "submissive Ukrainian women" & the "hot passionate Russian love". what a load of bunk. Sorry but I'm coming home to where I belong with MY Latin ladies. Being Latino I'm set to find me a wife of MY culture.

... in response to Re: Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

I think that you are rushing things to soon. You need to wait at least 6 monthes to 1 year before getting involved with another woman. You have a lot of emotional baggage that you have taken from your marriage.

Beattledog

... in response to Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

I have been to Bogota several times but only for short stays each time. It is a very large and cosmopolitan city. I like it. No visa necessary - just your passport.

... in response to Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005


Hola Frank,

There is a lot of information on Bogota in the archives.  

Suerte.

... in response to Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

nice place to eat on the outside of the city ..it is safe ... forgot the name but is where they have the horses the give you this beautiful show ...and the food is great .One of the best steaks I ever had ......

... in response to Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

Frank, my biggest advice to you is not to put all your eggs in one basket, otherwise you may be setting yourself up for a disappointment.  Try to negotiate a deal with either LLM or LAI to meet some additional ladies if you have not already planned to do so or start writing some ladies on Amgos.com, etc.  Don’t go all that way for one chica that you have not yet met. On places to go, if you like good beer - checkout the Bogota Beer Company. Good luck

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by papi on Jul 3, 2005

NOt planning on repeating what I did the first time around ;-))

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by papi on Jul 3, 2005

but that's not to say it isn't good advice. It makes sense to have a Plan B. My wife told me later that she had planned to dump me in the airport if things hadn't gone well. Luckily they went very well and here we are, happily married for almost two years. The first time I saw her in person, she took my breath away and I knew that I never wanted to leave her.

... in response to I completely ignored this advice, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 3, 2005

At least if you got dumped at the airport you had the rest of the trip to do something. I wish I would have gotten dumped at the airport by my ex wife. Would have saved me $30K & 2 years time.

... in response to Re: I completely ignored this advice, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

Crazily enough I had met two Colombianos on the plane and I told them my story. They lived in Miami and were going back to party for a week or two. They gave me their number and told me to call them if things didn't work out - they'd make sure that my trip wasn't wasted. Not much of a PLan B!

... in response to Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

Frank O

I just sent you two emails with lots of info about Bogota. Let me know if you have any questions. I think there are at least several others hanging around the forum with info to contribute. When is your trip? Bring home the bacon.....

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by CelticUrge on Jul 3, 2005

Thanks a lot man!! I REALLY appreciate you taking the time & effort to mail ALL THAT info to me. I'll print all that out.

... in response to Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

Correct, only a passport is needed.

lots of great places to eat (not much in terms of touristy stuff however).

Places to eat (spelling is off):

Carbon de Pollo

Casa de Viajae

Andres Carne de Res (located in Chia - about 10 miles from Bogota, very safe to travel there)

WTC(Its located on teh top floor and revolves-more contential food)

Restaurant Trumonti (located in the mountains overlooking Bogota)

There more, but I think these are the popular places that many men have visited and can confirm.

Anything else you want to know please feel free to contact me and ask.  I've been there about 8 times

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Onephd on Jul 3, 2005

Andres Carne de Res (located in Chia - about 10 miles from Bogota, very safe to travel there)

WTC(Its located on teh top floor and revolves-more contential food)

Restaurant Trumonti (located in the mountains overlooking Bogota)

I have ate at all of these and they are excellent !!!!!!!

... in response to Re: Who here has been to Bogota?, posted by Onephd on Jul 3, 2005

I heard quite about this PARTICULAR restaurant. Is the FOOD worth it? I know many times they hype a place up the food itself is so so. I REALLY LOVE TO EAT!!! I don't have any vices but eating GREAT food comes pretty close for me so restaurants are ALWAYS THE FIRST things I look for in a city. What would you consider the best 3 restaurants food wise?

... in response to Andres Carne de Res, posted by Frank O on Jul 3, 2005

Andres has good food, but its also know for the atomsphere which is festive to say to least.  You have do Andres at least once.  Your date will love it as every colombian loves the place.

For me, the top four are(food, atmoshere, price)

1. Restuarant Trumonti(very romantic at night, little formal)
2.  Carbon de Polo (great baby beef)
3.  Andres Carnde de Res (great mixta platos-chicken, steak, pork)
4.  Casa de Viajae is more typical Colombian food and adored by Colombians.

... in response to Re: Andres Carne de Res, posted by Onephd on Jul 3, 2005

Thanks that's what I wanted to know. I'd like to try a great botana type of plate. I guess gluttony is my vice. I reckon I try to reconcile that with the fact that I'm thin so that's my excuse for eating like a pig. I guess I have high metabolism or a VERY well fed 20+ foot tapeworm! LOL!