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Title: With so many options how does one... Post by: Frank O on June 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM decide where to go? When I went to Ukraine it was just Ukraine I didn't even consider the Russian ladies that wrote me.
However this time around I was looking into Peru. Then started to look into Panama & Costa Rica. Man how does someone narrow the search down? Do you place ads in DIFFERENT countries then narrow it or focus on 1 exclusively? The one I am keeping away from is Colombia as the scene reminds me a LOT of Ukraine. Too many girls & too many agencies thus too many scams as well. Any feedback or advice regarding searching for a Latina? Title: Now which city do you choose? Post by: CelticUrge on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to With so many options how does one..., posted by Frank O on Jun 27, 2005
So you decided on a country. Now which city do you choose? IMO that is a personal choice. As you can easily determine from scanning threads on this forum, everyone has a personal preference. Sometimes its as simple as which city you know best, or where you first made some contacts, be it with an agency, latina or gringo visiting or living in that city. For me, I choose to focus on Bogota for a variety of reasons. It is the capital city, largest population, most universities (to best of my knowledge), center of commerce and government, weather is cooler (nicer vacation spot if you live in Houston) and I had a few contacts there that even though I had not yet met prior to my first trip, they were helping me out. There were even more reasons but you get the idea. Once some of my choices were "stacked" in favor of Bogota I stopped looking for more information on the other cities and became more focused. I choose Colombia in much the same manner. It just happened that I had several long term friends originally from Colombia. I also eliminated other countries for a variety of reasons, like I was barely learning Spanish and see no reason to switch to Portuguese. So, it really is a very personal choice. Do you buy the same clothing that I would choose? Do you drive the same vehicle I drive? Do you like the same movies, restaurants, and night clubs that I prefer? Do you like beer? I don't, I prefer Cognac. Do you have two left feet and no natural rhythm like me? Possibly so if you are a gringo and have caucasian ancestry. Look at the postings from people on this forum and ask them about what they know best. Then make your decision. There is no wrong decision. Only one best choice that works for you personally. There is a vast wealth of information avalable here. Tap into it at your own pace. I have not been in Bogota in about two years. I have been dealing with family issues, aging parents, one of which has Alzheimer's, their operations, hurricane damage, etc. When I return to Colombia, probably just after the first of the year when I can allow for a longer trip, then I will return and Bogota will be the first and possibly only city that I choose to visit. Once you visit any latin city you will learn a great deal about the culture, the people and the city itself. The larger cities especially are vibrant and alive in stark contrast to any city in the U.S. Once you arrive: Does the city you now find yourself visiting fit with who you are as a person? Do you feel comfortable there? Do you want to stay in the nicer suburbs, warehouse district, downtown, or near some specific site or attraction? Are you confident in your choice once you arrive and spend a few days getting to know the lay of the land? Let us all know what you decide and most importantly, why you made this decision. Title: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: valuedcustomer on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to With so many options how does one..., posted by Frank O on Jun 27, 2005
[This message has been edited by valuedcustomer] Charting your path without agencies is the best if you can pull it off. If you ever decide for Colombia, I recommend going to Bogota. The ugly scene you read about here comes from the agency industry which has developed in Cali. Latin American Introductions is a good agency in Bogota. Bogota is the lower risk option. Title: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: Jake on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to With so many options how does one..., posted by Frank O on Jun 27, 2005
TO EACH HIS OWN , ONE MAN'S SUCCESS DOES NOT MEAN IT IWLL WORK FOR YOU .
FOR MOST WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY TO TRAVEL SOUTH 4-5 TIMES A YEAR IMO BUYING ADDRESS'E YOU WILL GET MORE BANG OUT OF YOUR BUCK . WHAT COUNTRY YOU ASK ?????? I THINK THEY ARE ALL GOOD ...I HAVE MET SOME SUPER LADIES , COSTA RICA , SEEN BEAUTIFUL LADIES IN PANAMA , DATED HOTTIES IN COLOMBIA , ENGAGED BEFORE TO A LINGERIE MODEL IN PERU ......... NOW HAVE A LOVELY LADY FROM BRAZIL ..... JUST ASK HEAT OR PAPI ...THEY HAVE SEEN PHOTOS OF HER ........ I SUGGEST THAT YOU BUY 15-20 ADDRESS'S FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND SPEND A COUPLE OF WEEKS WRITING SOME NICE LETTERS TO THESE DIFFERENT PLACES TO SEE WHO WANTS TO ME YOU . SO OFTEN WE ONLY THINK DOWN A ONE WAY STREET , YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE OTHER WAY . ONE SHORT STORY .... I SAW A LETTER THAT A GUY FROM THE US WROTE TO A LADY IN BRAZIL ... NICE LOOKING GUY , MONEY , CAR , BIG HOUSE ..ECT .... IN HIS LETTER HE HAD 36 REQUIERMENTS THAT HIS " NEW WIFE WILL DO " LIKE EVERYDAY AT 6:30 SHE WILL MAKE HIM A FULL BREAKFAST , EXCEPT ON THE WEEKENDS . THE HOUSE WILL BE WASH 2 TIMES A WEEK , WE WILL HAV SEX EVERYDAY ...ECT ... i THINK YOU GET THE POINT . THE DAYS OF SLAVERY ARE OVER .... THIS GUY WILL NEVER GET A WOMEN ANY WHERE .......... WRITE THESE LADIES , GET RESPONSE'S , AND PLAN TRIPS WHERE THERE ARE SOME AGENCIES POSSIBLY , OR A FEW LADIES IN THE SAME CITY ..........AND GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO SEE THEM ...... TO ME COMING OFF THAT PLANE AND SEEING THAT LADY FOR THE FIRST TIME CAN BE REALLY EXCITING OR YOU MAY WANT TO HIDE. THAT IS ALL PART OF THE PROCESS ........... JAKE
Title: Re: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: papi on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: With so many options how does one..., posted by Jake on Jun 28, 2005
Frank, Jake knows the score and has an incredibly attractive novia. He would be a good guy to talk to. I have had several conversations with him. He's more into the letter writing thing but I dont have the patience for that but his ideas work. I think if you tried his suggestions - you would find the woman of your dreams but you may need to learn Portuguese. Brazil is a good ticket but I am not going to start over with a new language Title: Re: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: Frank O on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: With so many options how does one..., posted by Jake on Jun 28, 2005
Thanks for the advice Jake. Having been through the whole process to the point of being married & having the lady ARRIVE in the USA I KNOW what you mean. The thing is I KNOW & can handle Ukraine now I want to try my on Latin ladies. I guess a Latin man married to a Ukrainian cold blooded chick is NOT a good combination. I'm just trying to find out what works. In Ukraine that was it just Ukraine. I could arrive in 1 country & hit 3 -4 different cities. In Latin America well you have the problem of which COUNTRY not which city. That's my dilemma I guess. Title: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: Hamlet on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to With so many options how does one..., posted by Frank O on Jun 27, 2005
I always choose the path less traveled, so when I decided to go to Latin America I avoided Colombia and I avoided agencies. I met women from Cuba, Costa Rica and Nicaragua. I studied Spanish, lived with families in the various countries and had great cultural experiences along the way. In fact, the families with whom I lived were my greatest source of dates, gladly introducing me to women they knew personally and could vouch for. Hamlet Title: You're skipping Colombia????????? Post by: utopiacowboy on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to With so many options how does one..., posted by Frank O on Jun 27, 2005
I've had numerous relationships with women from the US, Canada and Mexico. My brother is married to a Russian. I've been married for the last 2 years to a Colombiana. Any man who hasn't been married to a Colombiana does not know what he's missing (and I know that there are great women everywhere). Imagine a beautiful intelligent woman whose dream is to take care of you in every way (and I mean every way!) and this is the Colombian wife. Faithful, devoted, kind and loving, cheerful, optimistic and outgoing - all of these qualities describe my wife. I never imagined having such a happy marriage was possible. If God forbid, something happened to my wife, Colombia is the ONLY place I would look for a wife. Title: Guess not anymore... Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by utopiacowboy on Jun 28, 2005
I had a lady from Bogota write me & we've spoken on the phone & had a blast. Anyways I'm pretty flexible. Title: So what agencies & cities do you recommend? Post by: Frank O on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by utopiacowboy on Jun 28, 2005
In Colombia? Title: Re: You're skipping Colombia????????? Post by: Frank O on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by utopiacowboy on Jun 28, 2005
Maybe I'll look into it but the scene is SO reminiscent of Ukraine to me there in Colombia. Title: You're skipping Colombia????????? Post by: Cali James on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by Frank O on Jun 28, 2005
Frank, I've been to Moscow and St. Pete and ended up marrying a Colombiana from Cali. Cali is great, the women are open and friendly. The guys who have gotten burned in Cali would have gotten burned anywhere because they ignored red flags or married women 20+ years younger than them. Anyway, I recommend Cali! Think about renting a room from Pete E and use Latin Best agency. Title: Re: You're skipping Colombia????????? Post by: Frank O on June 29, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by Cali James on Jun 28, 2005
Thanks I'll check out Latin best Title: Re: Re: You're skipping Colombia????????? Post by: papi on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by Frank O on Jun 28, 2005
Frank, Heat is right below. In my opinion, there are more scammers and flakes in Colombia than other areas but there are also many nice girls. Because you speak Spanish fluently and can get the advice on good agencies here on the forum should not rule out Colombia. I am open to it - and feel I have enough experience to see the warning signs. With your Spanish - you will pick up on it fast and move on to the next. Also, some areas are better than others. I am going to catch flack for this but in my opinion there are probably less players say in BAQ or Bog for example than Cali Title: Re: Re: You're skipping Colombia????????? Post by: Traveller on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by Frank O on Jun 28, 2005
You're basing this assumption on never having gone to Colombia? That's like saying you don't like and have never tried chocolate pudding (or something) because you heard someone else say THEY didn't like it. Try it yourself, first, before making a decision. Title: Where there is smoke... Post by: Frank O on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: You're skipping Colombia????????..., posted by Traveller on Jun 28, 2005
Yes, perhaps you are right but then there was smoke in Ukraine & I got charred!!!! Just being overtly carefuly to do my expensive & time consuming mishap in Ukraine. I just think the scenes are VERY similar in both. Super attractive ladies (Model quality, many agencies, many men going...way too many more to list but there are numerous parallels. I guess I prefer going off the beaten path. Heck I went off of it in Ukraine & chose a lady NOT from a big city but from a small village/town & it STILL didn't work out. I don't know I'm just looking for what's right FOR ME. Thanks for the advice though. I DO appreciate it. Title: Re: Re: You're skipping Colombia????????? Post by: Heat on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by Frank O on Jun 28, 2005
Listen don't let the bad girls discourage you. There are many decent girls in Colombia. Title: Yes but Utopiacowboy.... Post by: Chris F on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're skipping Colombia?????????, posted by utopiacowboy on Jun 28, 2005
I think Frank O's problem with Colombia may be reading all the negative press on this board recently about Cali. I think Frank o should consider Medellin...as well as Lima Peru and Bogota Colombia...... Title: Re: Yes but Utopiacowboy.... Post by: Fuzzyone on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Yes but Utopiacowboy...., posted by Chris F on Jun 28, 2005
You might be right on that... but he can try some other cities in Colombia Cali is not the only fish in the sea. If Frank is the type that will jump for the first hottie that comes alone it does not matter where he goes Peru, Colombia or Panama he will get sheared like I did back in 1999, but I accept it was my fault because even the agency I went thru told me to go meet as many girls as possible and I did not listen. Thought I knew everything ..... Title: Cali too....Just use your head n/t Post by: Heat on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM Title: You're right Post by: utopiacowboy on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Yes but Utopiacowboy...., posted by Chris F on Jun 28, 2005
I've noticed that the guys married to Peruanas speak just as highly about their wives as I do about mine. That's got to tell you something and I would certainly understand a guy's wanting to check out Peru. Title: Re: You're right Post by: surfscum on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're right, posted by utopiacowboy on Jun 28, 2005
UC, the way you describe your wife is how I describe my limena. She takes very good care of me, but sometimes she's a lot to handle. Title: Re: Yes but Utopiacowboy.... Post by: papi on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Yes but Utopiacowboy...., posted by Chris F on Jun 28, 2005
I spoke with Frank earlier this evening. He got burned and wants to avoid the scammers - cant blame him. But he speaks Spanish fluently so he should be able to navigate the obstacle course. But I am going to make him a special project in Panama - at least give it the college try. I want to show the forum that Colombia isnt the only place to find happiness. I get the impression he is a good man after chatting on the phone with him. He will do well switching back to Latins. I wish he could make it Friday. I have something like 15 hot latinas and 3 gringos - dios mio Title: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: Brazilophile on June 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to With so many options how does one..., posted by Frank O on Jun 27, 2005
GIven that you will be spending a lot of time in the country from which your wife comes from, one way to decide is whether you ENJOY spending lots of time in a particular country. I decided on Brazil on that way. Even though it was easier to meet more ladies in Colombia than in Brazil, and easier and cheaper to get to, I find Brazil has much nicer beaches, better infrastructure (ie. banks, universities, transportation, shopping/retail, entertainment), and fewer worries about kidnapping and other violence. (Though in Rio and Sao Paulo, the wealthy have SERIOUS problems regarding kidnappings.) I enjoy spending time in Brazil without the wifesearch. Others have said they enjoy DR, CR, Honduras, Panama, etc. Find a place you like going to and being in, then try to find a woman who lives there. Title: Re: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: papi on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: With so many options how does one..., posted by Brazilophile on Jun 27, 2005
Jake did well in Brazil too...real well Title: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: papi on June 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to With so many options how does one..., posted by Frank O on Jun 27, 2005
Frank, you started with me and I know I can help. Lets see what kind of response you get from the ladies. August may be an option if enough guys signup - I will know by Monday or maybe you can travel with me solo if I decide to make a return trip. I would also not rule out Colombia. If any places/agencies light your fire – ask away. We are here to help Title: Re: Re: With so many options how does one... Post by: Frank O on June 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: With so many options how does one..., posted by papi on Jun 27, 2005
I sent you an e mail. I'm very flexible. Even when my trips go awry I always have a great time. It's ALL in the ATTITUDE man. I got burned REALLY bad but you know it's over. Time to move on . I could sit here & pout & blame her or me or whatever but man life is TOO DANG SHORT!! I could miss out on some lovely lady who IS faithful & wanting a good husband. You know the sick thing is my soon to be ex wife told me after I told her I didn't think I was a bad man "Frank the problem is NOT you. I KNOW I'll never find someone to love me like you. If YOU can't make me happy NO ONE can. I'm the problem. I'm a VERY bad person & you don't want to know how bad. I'm NOT good for you. I'm sorry." Well THAT said it all man. That's when I decided to send her home. For ONCE she was honest. I wish she'd said this before I spent $15K in 3 weeks to try to save our marriage. Well SOMEWHERE out there there IS a lady for me. I just need to find her. |