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Hello gentlemen I am new to this board, but I find it very interesting and useful.  My question is this, what kind of wife do these Latin (brazilian)/(Colombian) women make?  What I am getting so far from this board are generalities, please be as specific as possible.

... in response to What Kind of wife are these women, posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 24, 2005

Every case is different but here is specifically what my wife is like.

My wife is at least a nine (probably a ten), two daughters, age 31 and I am 57.  I could never find a more beautiful wife.

She never wanted to come to the US which was really good at not being a red flag but the downside is she misses her family, and doesn't speak English.

If I had been looking for a submissive woman who would cater to my every whim, I didn't come close to this.  She has a strong personality and at times it is a challenge to communicate with her.  I'm fluent in Spanish but there are many cultural differences which are challenging.  

However when she touches my hand or flashes her radient smile, it's all worth it.

... in response to Re: What Kind of wife are these women, posted by kented on Mar 26, 2005

Kented,
Beautiful story.  You have commented on more than one occasion about how beautiful your wife is.  Could you post some pictures of the lady in question?  Hey, better yet, please include photos of you and her together. While your at it, get some nice shots of some soquero(?I can't remember how to spell it) cactus. I love the desert southwest.  I am particularly fond of Tucson. Last weekend, my middle son, who is in the Marines, stationed at 29 Palms, California, went with some buddies  to Phoenix.   I also have an uncle and aunt that live in Casa Grande. Anyhow, best of luck to you and your new family.
               
                            OkieMan

... in response to What Kind of wife are these women, posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 24, 2005

There are many married posters on this board that would be happy to address your questions but, as previously stated, your question was not specific.  

I am fairly new myself, so I am not qualified to answer your question from exprience.  As you can imagine, characteristics of Latina women (in general and specific wives/girlfriends) are discussed regularly on this board.  You will find many specific answers to your questions in the archive forum search, but it is difficult for someone to tell you what to "search" for, again because your question was so general.  Also these type of discussions take many forms, so to give you a "key word" to search for would also be difficult.

It appears that you are looking for certain characteristics in a wife, and my suggestion would be to ask whether or not others have found those characteristics exhibited in their Latina wives and/or girlfriends.

My 2 pesos

... in response to What Kind of wife are these women, posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 24, 2005

From great to awfull,depending on the woman.Sorry to give you another generality.

Pete

... in response to What Kind of wife are these women, posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 24, 2005

There are no specifics.  Each woman is unique.  You've got to get to know them for yourself.  I'd recommend an exploratory trip with no expectations and a firm resolve not to get into any commitment as a starting point.  If you're like most men, you'll never turn back after your first exposure to Latin women.  If you sit around for a year analyzing the whole thing to death, you'll probably conclude it's not for you.

I would recommend narrowing your search to women who speak one language.  You should be starting to study it right now.  Learning both Spanish and Portuguese would be a hell of a lot of work.

... in response to Re: What Kind of wife are these women, posted by Patrick on Mar 24, 2005

I would agree entirely with Patrick, every lady is an individual.  In the same manner, each man on this board is also an individual.  My best piece of advice would be to "be yourself."  Of course, put your best face forward, but do not overly try to impress any potential suitor.  After all, it's best to exceed expectations not fall short of them.

Remember, what is considered a "good lady" depends upon what type of man you are.  I am relatively fluent in Spanish, so I have been assisting a friend who is currently a music minister in a church through the process.  In his case, he is looking for stable, honest, and trustworthy.  "Hot" probably comes a long ways down the list; in fact, a woman that dresses too "hot" is not a plus if you are a pastor or minister. I would personally say that at least 90% of the time, just the mention of his vocation sends the unsuitable candidates running away as fast as possible...  (or at least not responding or with some of the nicest, most well written Dear John letters I have ever seen.  One even came back with addresses of friends that might be interested in a "man of good fidelity.")  

I think the plan is similar to what mine was; eventually narrow down your correspondence to one lady, and get yourself assigned to a church or mission work in the same area.  Keep a backup list handy, but not on your person, if that one doesn't work out as a plan B.  Also, as plan C, when one is on field, there is always the old-fashioned word-of-mouth system combined with the matchmaker instinct of some of the matrons found in just about every congregation.

In his case, as well as mine, taking a lady to my hotel room would have been the "self-destruct" plan for a relationship.  My experience has been that in Latin communities, the walls have ears, and there are eyes in every corner.  Things may be different in a large city, however, when any American (including pastor, teacher, missionary, etc...), you have instantly become a public figure.  If a young lady visits your place, the news travels faster around the community than if it were broadcast on the radio. (Depending upon you as an individual and your lady friend, that may or may not be a problem.  For me, it would be a HUGE problem.)  Even if you are not one of the above "straight-laced" types, there are still a number of people in any third-world country who are watching you; some for good reasons, some for curiousity, and some are opportunists for various purposes not in your best interest. You are not paranoid; they ARE watching you.  Always follow good, common sense, security precautions.

As for me, I hit the category of "married", and have been since 1996 to a lady from the Philippines. I am a teacher in a Christian school and periodically function as "pulpit supply."  I went through the process for the same reason my friend is now: shortage of marriageable American women in the place where I lived at the time.  I fell in love with my wife while in the Philippines in the summer.  We corresponded for two years total.  The last one was spent waiting on the INS and U.S. government shutdowns.  We have two children: a six year old boy, and a boy born this January.

Anyhow, my apologies for the long post.  Best wishes to everyone here.

Mark

... in response to Re: What Kind of wife are these women, posted by Patrick on Mar 24, 2005

Thank you, I agree with your advise on the languages, I guess a better question would be, how does each culture view the responsibilities of marriage?  As I learn more about each, I will gravitate to the one I feel I can best adjust to.

... in response to Re: Re: What Kind of wife are these wome..., posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 24, 2005

When I lived in Spain, the pastor of the church I attended was from Medellín and his wife was from Bucaramanga. When I mentioned that I wouldn't mind meeting a nice colombiana for marriage, he was very encouraging, saying that if I found the right colombiana she would go with me to the ends of the earth and be loyal unto death. He described how though his own wife was rather plain looking, after twenty years of marriage he loved her far more than when they were first married and was in awe of how loyal and helpful she was to him. This week marks three years that I've been in Brazil, and I've never once heard anyone (of credibility, thus Big B doesn't count) say something like that about brasileiras-- instead I've heard repeated warnings to "watch out". There also seems to be a really casual attitude, at least around where I live, about the seriousness of marriage; get married, and if it doesn't work out, get divorced.

 Obviously, in a country of 170 million people as in one of 40 million, you will find all types of people.

 I'll copy and paste here texts from a couple of emails I wrote to another poster recently:

(begin)
Playing around with MSN Paquera (international version of match.com), I have made an informal comparison of colombianas vs. brasileiras.

Ran a search of women of Manizales, 23-29, and of Florianópolis, 23-29. Of the ones in Manizales whose photos made me think, "oh, wow" (a much higher proportion than those of Florianópolis):

VERY typical:

Catholic

By own account, much more likely to accept large age difference, sometimes up into 50's.

Lower age preference often starts several years above her own age.

Florianópolis-- VERY typical:

Spiritist (I wouldn't touch with a barge pole).

Upper age limit of man she seeks, 35 (at least 50% of women, regardless of their own age). 35, 35, 35.

Lower age preference up to eight years younger than her own; typically starts at her own age or slightly younger, only rarely starts above her own age.
(...)
Another difference I'm seeing between brasileiras and colombianas is that it is VERY common for a brasileira to mention her zodiac sign as the reason she is the way she is. I have yet to run across one colombiana this morning who
even mentions her sign (for my opinion on astrology, or one close to it, click here:
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=astrology ) Well, he's a lot more vulgar about it than I would be, but I don't want anything to do with it.

I also see a trend of colombianas tending to describe themselves in terms of how dedicated they are to finding a loving, lasting relationship and what they want to contribute to it; while the comments brasileiras make about
themselves lean more toward self-adulation and what they like to do to please themselves, as well as how they like to get out and party. If some other ancillary result, such as a long-term relationship, comes out of this activity, that would be great, too, seems to be a recurring theme.
(end)

 You may get a different impression from looking at sites such as LatinEuro, where the agency controls the text of the profile. The above observations were made about a site where the women are free to list their own preferences.

 And trust me on this, Spanish is much simpler to learn.

 Bueller

... in response to Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wife are these ..., posted by Bueller on Mar 25, 2005

I am not personally familiar with Brazilian women except by reputation but I think your comments are dead-on. Of course they can be as wrong as all generalizations can be when it comes to a particular individual. Nevertheless I would vouch for your observations about Colombianas of whom I know many personally. Marrying a Colombiana is as close to heaven as any man will experience in this life. At least the right Colombiana (like I did!).

... in response to Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wife are these ..., posted by Bueller on Mar 25, 2005

I want to thank all of you for taking the time to resond to my post. First I want to say I am very sinere about what I am looking for, but I have never posted to this, or any other similar site before.  If my Username is familiar it is purely by accident.  I, like many others am curious about Brazilian women but, have only recently discovered the possibilities in Colombia, and to be sure I don't know much aboue the culture of either contry, that is why I asked the question about what kind of wives they may be. I am just beginning my search for a partner I do hope to travel, but I am not sure now where that will be.  I would appreciate advice on which website yields the most responses.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wife are th..., posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 25, 2005

Hi Tx2Brazil,
I am by no means an expert, but I might have a few ideas.  First of all, you are new.  Well, I just took my first trip to Cali last summer.  Before that, I was writing some ladies, and basically learning the ropes.  You being on this board can be a very valuable tool.  We all learn from each other.  There are many veterans here that are very knowledgeable.(far more than I).  Where I am now is corresponding with a particular lady who I plan to see very soon.  I am a member of the Latin-Internet agency in Cali. That is the agency I used last year, and am still using.  I am not sure what you were asking about getting the most results; but I will tell you what I know.  Latin-Internet has several nice, attractive ladies.  What I personally like about this agency is that I paid a one time membership fee of $300.  With that I have full access to their entire membership, until I meet the right lady and get married, or for my lifetime if needs be. Along with that I can write unlimited emails to any and all ladies that I am attracted.  The idea is to look on their website www.Latin-Internet.com and pick out the ladies, and then write them prior to your trip there.   Naturally, if you choose not to write any ladies, but just want to put together a list prior to your trip, that is ok.  I just personally enjoy writing the ladies, especially since the staff there does all the translations.  That really helps since I do not currently speak spanish.  I am working on that though. Naturally, you must pay for accomodations somewhere.  This particular agency is in the process of relocating to a different area of Cali.  They will now have 2 hotels that you can book through them.  If you do not wish to do, then you can book your own accomdations.  I do not know your background or your preferences.  Some guys simply want a lady or ladies to "party" with, and then go home.  Others like myself are looking for a wife. I believe that this particular agency is better than most because they seem to have a sincere desire to help, and the girls are not all 18-21 years old.  The younger ones are often very attractive, but for me, at 51, I do not believe I could  have a strong relationship with someone that age; sex yes, relationship no.  But to each his own.  The Planet-Love site has many agencies listed.  So, you have several to choose from.  Before I forget it, you should probably check on Colombian Sweethearts in Medellin too.  They have some nice ladies, and the owner, Steve Valdez is an american.  I do not know why, but Colombia has more and better quality agencies than any other LA country.  I personally have no experience in Baranquilla or Cartegena, but there are plenty of other guys on this board who does.  Having said that, if you are fluent in spanish, you may not want to use an agency at all.  Just pick a city, and go check out the local "scenery".  I am sure there are many guys on this board that are very adept at doing that.  So, I hope that my info has helped.  Message me back if you want to.  Best of luck.  You are from Texas, right?  I live in the Tulsa, Oklahoma area.

                           OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wife ar..., posted by OkieMan on Mar 25, 2005

Thank you for the information, i really appreciate it, I do plan to begin the correspondence portion or my search pretty soon, that is why i was asking about the best agency.  What I was looking for was the agency with the most real addresses, I am trying to avoid the scams I my imagination keeps telling me to watch out for, but I have no personal negative experiences as of yet.  I am very excited about the whole process.  I do intend to learn the a new language as soon as I determine which direction I will go.  Yes I am In Texas, Houston.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wif..., posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 26, 2005

Thanks for the response. Even though I am an Okie, I have lived in Texas many years ago; and in more than one location.  The closest to you was Conroe, Tx. I lived there for a year, during my junior year in High School.  Right after that, we moved back to Oklahoma.  My dad had a construction business, and we did drywall work in and around Houston.  That was in 69-70, around that time frame. Anyhow, as far as agencies go, I think that there is no doubt that some are better than others.  For instance, I have already told you about the agency that I use.  I know for certain that their ladies are for real. However, it still all comes back to what type of lady or ladies you are looking for.  There are some agencies in Cali that seem to specialize in real young "hotties".  I have had not experience with CaliVip, or All Colombian Girls, or Latin Encounters, but they have a big inventory. Personally, I like the women who are a little older and wiser. My calena is 35, but really gorgeous!  Some if not most of these agencies will "deal" with you on a better price if you see them in person, instead of inquire over the phone or on the internet.  Naturally, they are trying to make as much money as they can.  But, just be careful, and wade through some of the hype and BS.  If you are from Houston, I am somewhat surprised that you have not already met up with some Mexican cutie.  Having said that, the women in LA are a good deal different and better than the "americanized version".  Well, best of luck.

                            OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kind of..., posted by OkieMan on Mar 26, 2005

I'm 41 and I am not looking for a really young lady my daughters are right around 20 which exposes me to some of their friends young minds and I know I don't want any part of that. I am looking for someone who already knows what direction she wants to go in, not someone who is in need of a lot of guidance I just don't have the energy for that type of relationship. I know it will come down to the individusl and not the culture. And as far as a mexican woman goes, they are not as plentyful for the the older than GEN X crowd.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kin..., posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 26, 2005

Thanks again for sharing.  Ok, you're roughly 10 years younger than I am.  I would say you are in the prime age to meet latinas, and start a relationship with one or more. Again, I don't claim to be the "great expert", but I will tell you that based on my experience, the ladies there would really relate to a guy your age. I don't know what you look like, but I am certainly just an average looking guy.  Mainly, these women just want to be cherished and loved.  Naturally, having a secure lifestyle and family is very important to them. I have no problem with wanting to help a sweet latina have a better life.  I just don't want to be lied to, and the girl be deceitful about it.  Basically, I hate someone, especially a woman telling me what she thinks I want to hear.  Then later, I find out, it was not even the truth.  That really ticks me off!  Unfortunately, women will be women, AW or LW, and we must all work to find the sincere ones. But, I think that most of the latinas I have met are indeed sincere.  The lady I am currently corresponding with seems to be really sincere.  Plus, I have asked her a large amount of very personal questions.  I figure if she was not interested and sincere, she would get bored and move on.  So far, she is still very sweet and interested.  I would certainly encourage you to make a basic list of qualities that you are looking for in a lady, and make your plans and go.  That is the best way to do it; just go.  But, right now, I cannot get away, so I am writing and planning. I am planning to go back in May or June.  I really enjoyed my trip to Cali last August, and I think that I am much better informed now.  This board can be a wealth of information for you.  Best of luck.

                      OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kind of..., posted by OkieMan on Mar 26, 2005

As a rule, the Mexicanas are not much interested in gringos. I did have a Mexican novia for a while and every so often when I visted her in Mexico I would encounter some anti-American attitudes. I have never experienced this in Colombia and the Colombianas are a LOT more interested in gringos than Mexicanas are.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wif..., posted by Tx2Brazil on Mar 26, 2005


Agency or method of "finding and being found by Love". You'll find success & horror stories from probably all agencies. Whether you write/call first or just go....take your time, use the forum's search function to target the info you desire & by all means...ask questions. The only dumb question...is the one you don't ask!

Best of luck to you...

... in response to Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wife are these ..., posted by Bueller on Mar 25, 2005

Hi Bueller,

I have seen you post on this board before but I do not know anything about you.  Could you please share a little about your background?  Having said that, I sense that you are a sincere person.  If you feel the way you do, then why do you still go to Brazil?  I have never been to Brazil myself, but I am always interested in learning more about many different countries and cultures. So, what are your future plans concerning meeting ladies?  Am I correct in assuming that you are currently not in a relationship? Lastly, I am curious to know more about the Colombian couple that you met in Spain.  Can you tell me what type of church it was that you attended? Also, I am curious to know what took you to Spain.  Not too long ago, I told the story about one of my cousins who many years ago, married a lady from Spain.  He was stationed there in the Air Force.  Well, anyhow, best of luck in your search.

                           OkieMan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wife are th..., posted by OkieMan on Mar 25, 2005

Hi OkieMan,

 To address your questions about Spain, I went there to study Spanish and translation, and the church was quadrangular (Foursquare).  

 I came to Brazil to study Portuguese because I was interested in becoming a translator SP-EN and PT-EN. I lost interest in translation for various reasons, and decided instead to open a burrito and wrap fast-food restaurant here.

 As Michael Leboeuf writes, no matter how lucky you are and how well things go at first, the gods will test you in your new venture. When this inevitably happened to me, I found myself thinking over why I'm here, and some things have changed and caused me to reconsider.

 I came here, of course, because of the Latina bug. I decided to stay partly because of this great business opportunity, the beautiful women and partly because this area is beautiful, an island with 42 beaches. I also didn't see much to go home to in terms of job opportunities.

 Last week I found myself bedridden by back pain and unable to manage my business, and I began to contemplate whether this is really where I want to be. While there are loads of gorgeous women here, there hasn't been much overlap between the group of women who are interested in me and the group of women I'm interested in. I've had a few girlfriends here, and plenty of women interested, but no thunderbolt. Honestly, I tend to prefer the truly-Latina look of colombianas, and you saw in my above post my general impression of them vs. brasileiras.

I had long suspected that Gringos were getting a much warmer welcome in Colombia than here, from trip reports on P-L and elsewhere. A couple of months ago a member of another list who has traveled to Colombia several times was in town and I got together with him and a friend of his, who also has been to Colombia. They kept marveling about how many gorgeous women there are around here, but also remarked, "They sure don't seem very interested in Gringos, though." They had been out to the beach where the most babes hang out, and had met and conversed with a few, but didn't detect much interest at all-- just a polite tolerance, as they described it. I also remembered Pete telling me that if I were in Cali they'd be breaking my door down.

 The other new information I've been adjusting to is a sweet job offer that is available if I were to return to the States. It's work that I've done before and enjoyed immensely, and I have another idea for something I could do on the side to earn long-term residual income. So while the kind of adversity I'm up against would be superable if I were single-minded and convinced that this was THE place to be for great women and this were the only real financial opportunity available to me, I'm not really convinced of that anymore; and after five years abroad I'm a little homesick as well. Although this area is Paradise overall, it would be so nice to go drive on an interstate without worrying about running over a bicyclist or a trash-recycler's horse cart, not to see a favela anywhere, and not to see bars on windows everywhere. It would be so nice to enjoy Seattle's Korean, Thai, Ethiopian, Vietnamese, and Mexican restaurants again, and to have a decent craft beer. Longing for the leeks and garlics of Egypt here... :-)

 As far as long-term plans for meeting someone, if the job and side venture go right I wouldn't have much trouble taking off for a month or more at a time to travel in the off-season, and since I speak both major languages of Latin America, through the miracle of the Internet I could use a take-it-slow approach to meeting one in virtually any country. Since I'm looking for a certain something that is kind of rare and hard to ferret out, this makes a great deal of sense to me; I can find out through communication in advance if we're on the same wavelength and I can come to know if it's worth going to Peru or Colombia or wherever to meet her in person. I won't go into exactly what I'm looking for here since it's really personal and particular to me, but suffice it to say it's not a matter of choosing the hottest skirt or bikini to go by and then "pouncing".

 

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What Kind of wife ar..., posted by Bueller on Mar 26, 2005

Great post. I really liked your last paragraph. I think you are absolutely right. And I am sure that you will find what you are looking for.