First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConnection

[Vagabond]

... in response to Re: Fair enough..., posted by pablo on Dec 21, 2004


Papi and Pablo,

In response to your questions…

Q:  I get the impression that you have not used CSH, rather you chose CLC as an agency.

A: I checked both agencies and I’ve personally met both owners.  Based on my research I chose CLC, who by the way has WAY more than 30 available women.

Q: I noticed that you did not respond to Steve's post where he quotes a guy named Ricker at WSG.

A: I’m not a member of WSG, so I havn’t gone there to read more of those types of posts.  But I’m sure they do exist.  Like I said before, like any guy having lived in a city for a long period of time, he must know all types of things available there.  If he chooses to show friends around to these types of places in his personal time, I have nothing against that.

Q:  Why do you feel it necessary to defend Robert after reading Steve's "attacks/slander" after being a new customer to CLC?

A:  Didn’t you answer your own question?  I’ve had good experiences with CLC, and while there I didn’t see any evidence of what was being accused.  This is why I felt like posting something to their defense.

You made the statement that Robert is more expensive, but that’s not what I found when I was researching the two agencies.  To meet one girl at Steve’s agency, it costs $200 (12 girl minimum, and $20 each after that).  To meet one girl at Robert’s agency it’s only $15.  CLC is cheaper no matter how many girls you date, 1 or 1000.

You also say Robert has fewer girls on his site than Steve.  I think this is a good thing.  Quality is far better than quantity.  If Robert wanted to make a bunch of money selling contact information, he’d throw any girl he could on the site, instead of just the ones serious about meeting a husband.

You seemed to insinuate that I denied  www.playboy-penthouse.com provided monger assistance.  I never made such a claim.  What I did deny, is that they ran prostitution, as there is absolutely no indication that they do.  And equally so, there is no reason to think the marriage agency they link to does either.  I found it very outrageous and low class for a competing agency to make such a claim, and as a consequence, I can not believe any other statements Steve makes.

[papi]

... in response to Re: Fair enough..., posted by pablo on Dec 21, 2004


Pablo, as you know I have visited CSH and gave them high marks. I don’t know what to make of Robert

1. There are little or no testimonials per se
2. You say he’s more expensive?? What does Robert charge??
3. Robert has far fewer girls on his site than Steve
4. It is obvious monger assistance is provided which in itself does not bother me but to deny it is ridiculous
5. Steve has made accusations here on PL that are hard to believe he fabricated

I don’t think it would be a bad thing to have other viable agency options in MDE, but in my opinion it would be difficult to trust the other option at this point

[pablo]

... in response to Re: Re: Fair enough..., posted by papi on Dec 21, 2004


Hi Papi,

Here are my thoughts on your points.

1. The testimonials as CLC are a joke.  I much prefer more detailed comments AND contact information like what CSH has.
2. You will have to look at P-P.com for pricing information.  As an example look at the "bargain" you get for an airport pickup at US$25.
3. Correct, but since many of the photos at CLC have never been retaken, I'm assuming that those ladies are not available.  
4. I think the only one denying it is Vagabond.  To everyone else it seems obvious.
5. Agreed.

There are other agency options besides CLC and CSH in Medellin.  Don't forget about Latincontacts and Latindreamdates although the latter site is still down.  Both these other agencies are small however.

[papi]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Fair enough..., posted by pablo on Dec 21, 2004

ok, by the way, i leave for MDE on 1/7

[valuedcustomer]

... in response to Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

The sincere men here should really know what they are up against.  You are the only ones I am speaking too.  Finding a good wife in a Colombian agency is like looking for a needle in a haystack.  You can find her, but you have your work cut out for you.  You can not trust any agency...  not even the ones everyone “agrees” are good... they are all in business to make money and will provide whatever the customers wants... even if the customer has nasty habits.  Don’t for a second believe that they are concerned about you getting a good wife .. so even if the agency owner is Colombian ... you can’t trust him for advice.. you will have to find that from a neutral source.  If you honestly believe that the same person can run a dual puta/wife agency and not have one effect the other... you should really stay home and learn more ... you are not yet ready to do this and survive.

       

[doombug]

... in response to Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

"...he often shows guys around who are interested in this side [the seedy side] of the city, while at the same time never letting it interfere with the operation good standing of the agency."

Though, I'd bet it's EXTREMELY tempting for some agency operators to ask a few of those street/bar girls (especially the curvy n' cute ones) they encounter along the way to come down to the office to set up a profile.

Here, I think the sports analogy is 'scouting.'

Surely, some agencies have a little more incentive to be a less ethical when operating in a foreign country noted for corruption.  

When in Rome...

[wizard]

... in response to Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

[This message has been edited by wizard]

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck... Unless of course it's an egg laying mammal which would make it a Platypus...

Same Name Servers, same Registrant Address, referrals from Agency, Adult Entertainment guidance... Not to mention the hot photos of the "friendly" girls you can meet "on the street"... The inference is that you can get whatever you want for the right $$$... Hmmm... Yep, it's a duck...

I'm no shrew and you really can't blame a guy for trying to make a buck on both sides of the coin, but don't come here and profess his innocence when he is obviously busted...

quack, quack...

[valuedcustomer]

... in response to Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

”Just because they share the same web server doesn’t mean one is related to or effecting the other.”

O, boy…. this is like kind of being pregnant.  

Guys who go to Latin America and think they can mix mongering with looking for a wife are idiots.  A prostitute only wants one thing … money…. and she will give you more excuses and lies than you thought possible.  This is going to be devastating to your wealth when she drags you through the pro-female american divorce courts … as well as crippling yourself emotionally … destroying your self-confidence … and losing your last opportunity to get a wife because after you recover now you are just too damn old.  By the way, if you really want to know who the good chicas are and who the bad chicas are … you have to ask a Latin American man … they know… gringos don’t have a clue.  

Run from this agency… don’t walk.

[lswote]

... in response to Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

So you are saying:  If it looks like bullshit and smells like bullshit but you tell me isn't bullshit, I should believe it isn't bullshit?  And exactly who are you anyway?

[Hoda]

... in response to Re: Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by lswote on Dec 19, 2004


OMG....Good one!

[Medellin Agency]

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

Vagabond,

I do not know who you are, how long you have been posting on Planet Love, or your relationship to Robert, but your write-up is so FULL OF FALSITIES that I will expose just a few to show your dishonest statements.

FALSITY

YOUR STATEMENT:  "Robert is an upstanding and very honest guy."  

Robert physically stole all the files and computer tower from my office after I bought out him out and admitted to this theft in front of four employees.  The fact that the Colombian Police came to my house and office (documented) along with the Testimonies of the 4 employees that were working there (documented), put no doubt to the fact that he stole the information.

ANOTHER FALSITY

YOUR STATEMENT:  "Robert may eventually come on this site to give his side as well, but it’s probably not likely as I always see him so busy giving personalized service to his clients"  

Please invite Robert to come on this site to defend himself and sue me for slander at anytime and also provide written admittance that he is running an illegal business in Medellin without a Business Visa which he cannot obtain.  You obviously are speaking for Robert and the evidecne against him is overwhelming so please invite him onto thsi site and I will provide more documentation.

I also talked to Robert a week ago to tell him to stop calling the girls in my Agency (documented by numerous girls and my staff) and saying he was "Colombian Sweethearts" so that he could try and trick these girls into coming to his agency, he first told me "I wasn't aware my secretary was doing this" and then later said "I am just helping out, I'm not running this business."

Thank you very much for giving more evidence that he is the head of this business.

ANOTHER FALSITY

Here are a few excerpts from http://www.wsgforum.com/ which can be viewed by anyone, clearing showing what "services" Robert is providing:

EXCERPT

Hey Aussie,

"As a matter of fact, I just got back from Medallion and Robert and I went out a few times and he told me you were a good guy.
I'll get you his email ... got it somewhere ... just got to find it.
Too bad about his fallout with the other guy but he's starting up his own service ... more of a dating service where the girls are paid a little for their service and all is included. He should have a web site soon for the new service.

As you know, he knows a lot of chicas in town and his service should be fun.

I've got a few friends who want to visit Colombia and we'll use Robert when in Medallion.
He is fun to chase the chicas with isn't he?
Email for Robert coming soon."

EXCERPT

RICKER

"I forget to add. Robert, my friend here, has a new service ... it´s both escort and/or friendship agency ... whatever you like ... he has both types.

Check out colombianloveconnection.com has everything you need to know.

For those of you thinking about visiting Medellion ... Robert is absolutely the best contact (in my opinion) to have here.

Cool guy ... loves to play and party and knows a boat load of beautiful chicas."

once again ... Suerte!

These are just two and there are many more as well as first hand testimony.   But tell,  Robert not to be alarmed as these all have already been documented and the source of these emails are traceable.

FALSITY

YOUR STATEMENT:  "I do not understand why Steve and his friends on the board are making accusations of prostitution "

The Playboy Penthouse formerly had on its site:

"Night with a Professional in the US:  $300
"Night with a Playboy Model: $40"

All of these references to prostitution were removed since it was leaked out that I knew about this, but copies were taken a long time ok from the site and they have already been viewed by various entities.

Vagabond, I believe in the importance of this forum and the right of free speech, but I would advise you from a legal standpoint to not get involved in this. And, if you continue to maliciously and dishonestly slander my Agency or my Services you will be hearing from my lawyer.

Steve Valdez, Owner
www.colombiansweethearts.com

[Vagabond]

... in response to Evidence Vagabond is Providing False Inf..., posted by Medellin Agency on Dec 19, 2004

I know you have the right to be passionate about your work, and I think that's good, but please don't threaten me with lawsuits for slander against your agency because I have done no such thing. (plus don't you think that's a little extreme?)

I think you should re-examine what you protest are false statements.  When I say, "Robert is an upstanding and very honest guy", this is my opinion of him, so it can not be false.  You feel like you got burnt by your ex-partner, so you obviously are going to have a different personal opinion.  I know MANY guys who have used his agency on multiple occasions, and share the same positive opinion as I do.

I too saw the older version of www.playboy-penthouse.com and you have mis-read it, as well as taken it out of context.  It did have a chart to give guys an informative comparison of the differences between living in the US and in Colombia, and part of that chart stated:

"Night with a Playboy Quality model in the USA  $3000"
"Night with a Playboy Quality model in Medellin $250"

But the site also made very clear that this was an informative comparison of the differences between the two places, and in no way provided these types of services.
Last time I checked, the disclaimer is still on their site and the only reason they may have removed what used to be on there was to be extra clear that they DO NOT cross that line.

I think you should do has Robert has, move on and worry about your own agency and stop dwelling on the past with "he said, she said" games.  If you run a better agency, then you'll have the larger client flow, and vice-versa.  Competing agencies means better services for us the clients, but throwing old dirt around doesn't do anybody any good.

[Medellin Agency]

... in response to Evidence Vagabond is Providing False Inf..., posted by Medellin Agency on Dec 19, 2004

Not so important, but I want to apologize for the numerous misspellings, but I was so "hot" writing this I overlooked them.

Steve Valdez, Owner
www.colombiansweethearts.com

[pablo]

... in response to Misspellings, posted by Medellin Agency on Dec 19, 2004


Not to worry Steve, but if it really bugs ya, there is always the good ol' 'edit message' button.