... in response to "less desirable people"...You ..., posted by Seeker on Oct 14, 2004A short response to why illegals are undesireable (this could also be applied to legals too).
Firstly, illegal (and legal) immigration hurts the US working poor by depressing their wages significantly and basically amounts to a tax increase on the poor. The tax is paid to unscrupulous business owners willing to hire illegals. BTW, even Cesar Chavez was against illegal migrant farm workers because he knew how they reduced his members wages and his unions leverage in obtaining decent pay and work conditions.
American taxpayers are being forced to pick up the tab for illegals education, medical care and a thousand other ways, paying what amounts to an added tax in the form of reduced and diminished social services, especially for the American poor. For example, 2 large hospitals have closed in LA dumping the burden of the remaining hospitals who themselves are on the verge of insolvency. So some business owners get the benefit of cheap labor but dump the healthcare burden on the City of (Insolvent) Angels.
Most illegals granted amnesty will never contribute a fraction in Soc. Sec taxes what they receive in benefits. Where is the gain for the US from this? Yeah, stoop workers work their butts off in the field but the fact is by the time they are 45 they are busted physically and pretty much a liability for the US. The farm owner has wrung his value off of them until they are so decrepit and not fit for anything except being a burden on the US – again, the benefits of illegals accrue to one small clique of private interests but the burdens are socialized to everyone else.
I like Spanish. I enjoy learning it. But why the hell should I have to be bilingual to get a job in the US [And in Miami bilingual means being able to speak English] as is increasingly becoming the norm. Again this is another burden on the American working poor, who are in direct competition with illegals.
Illegal immigration is bringing the good offices of the US State in disrepute. If a business owner who wants to pay decent wages and benefits finds his competition breaking the law by hiring illegals, he then has 2 choices: break the law and hire illegals or go out of business. Putting law abiding people at odds with the law breeds contempt for the law.
Notwithstanding your brother’s worthy accomplishments the fact is that hispanic hispanic high school graduation rates are appalling in this country. Furthermore hispanic out of wedlock birth in the US is bordering on 50%. Few of these kids born to these broken homes are going to develop the norms appropriate to succeeding in a highly knowledge driven society, where the scant jobs remaining that haven’t already been offshored will demand a premium on education. And the menial jobs won’t be available because employers will always choose a recent illegal who still has his work ethic intact over a second generation with a hefty sense of entitlement to the American Dream.
Basically the US has imported a massive and still burgeoning underclass – this is and will be a monumental disaster for the US.
How many maids, janitors and gardeners does a post-industrial society like ours need. Considering that decent manufacturing jobs are leaving the US and heading for Mexico and elsewhere. Mexico is getting our industrial jobs and we are getting Mexico’s unemployed. A very strange trade-off.
Mexico is a very rich country: it is a leading oil exporter, has massive mineral resources, has massive tourist industries. Why is it dumping its population on the US except to effect a reconquista?
Mexican illegal immigration is creating social pathologies in Mexico thereby hurting Mexico. Most illegals to the US are male; whatever the value of remittances back to Mexico illegal immigration is creating a lot of single female head of households in Mexico creating a generation of unfathered and delinquent children.
Remittances back to Mexico are not creating new productive investments in Mexico. The money gets spent in Walmarts thereby benefitting another rich US corporation (in cahoots with the corrupt, rich white oligarchy that rules Mexico). So another rich US interest benefits from illegal immigration, everyone else be damned. Basically, remittances are increasing the dependency of Mexico on the US as it would suffer a decline in living standards if the remittances stopped. This is a very unhealthy situation for the US and Mexico and further binding the two nations together. The US should basically annex the whole of Mexico and at least get the minerals and oil since we are getting the people.
Mexico is not, contrary to your assessment, sending its best and brightest to the US it is sending the very dregs of its society. As Fred Reed writes in the “Nature of Mexican Immigration” ( http://www.fredoneverything.net/Mexicans.shtml ):
“The Mexicans who go north are the losers, the failures, the barely if at all literate, those with little to offer. They go because the Mexican economy is wretched, because the jobs that left the United States for Mexico are now leaving Mexico for China. Money. The United States can run a first-world economy. Mexico cannot. Why is debatable. The fact isn't.
While Mexicans are good people, their dregs often are not. On average the immigrants are uncultivated, uneducated, and of low intelligence. One may not mention the matter of intelligence, but it is well known among people who pay attention to such things, and has implications for the future. America is getting those Mexicans least worth getting, the least assimilable, and getting them in circumstances that do not encourage assimilation. Unlikely to prosper, they show signs of becoming another unsalvageable underclass.
Being Latins, they are not comfortable in an impersonal, technological northern European culture that values performance, competition, efficiency and punctuality. It isn’t their way. Often they plan to make money and return to Mexico; many then develop ties and remain. Yet even then they stay among their own. Their numbers as they swarm across the border are such that they can do it. If they don’t want to assimilate, don’t have to assimilate, and don’t have the wherewithal to assimilate—don’t expect assimilation.“ /////////////////////////////
I don’t get why these matters are beyond the pale of discussion as you imply by your outraged response.
And if I met an illegal Mexicana who loved me and I loved her I’d marry her in a heartbeat.
