Our small role in halting a wrecking ball

[doombug]

I wonder if the Chinese, Indian, and Latin Americans have the foresight that the feminists of industrialized nations lack.  Do they chuckle at the prospect of the western world's decline because of the residual effects of rampant feminism?  

Though I don't suffer from it (yet), I'm certain that our courts allowing women the power to sap a divorced spouse's income weakens the incentive of millions of these men to ever bear children again.  And since the divorced male is now bound by a long-term financial committment to his ex-bride, any entrepreneurial endeavors, any investments or philanthropy, any enhancements to his own lifestyle are stunted.  Certainly, this impacts a country negatively.

The Western woman has nearly reached its peak, though. There isn't much else to be squandered for their benefit; and Walmart can only offer so much shelf space for the huge garmants necessary to cover their bloat.

Fortunately, a vanguard of men who have stumbled upon maps, and found the pretty faces of foreign women, and their pleasant demeanors, and sensual accents, and this has diminished our nightmares of a world devoid of Eve.  

As has often been pointed out, many western women are enraged by this prospect, as we are essentially "cheating" on them enmasse.

Too bad.  This is a necessary yet underappreciated revolution within western hu-MAN-ity.

Peace out!

 

[Troy]

... in response to Our small role in halting a wrecking bal..., posted by doombug on Aug 14, 2004

I really enjoyed this post, especially the line about Walmart!!!  I have two points I'd like to make, so bear with me...

First point-

I agree with Kented a little.  If a man has children then he must be prepared to financially support them until they reach legal age.  Just because the courts enforce this doesn't make it bad.  Yes, men often get the short end of the stick, to a certain extent, but the woman being the provider and maitaining custody of the children is just as burdened, in other ways.  Dating becomes difficult, pursuing college or certain professions is difficult; while the man only has to pay a bit of cash and he is free to pursue life unincumbered.

As far as the weight issue, both women AND men are losing the battle of the bulge.  But I still encounter many American women of all ethnicities whom have nice figures and are health conscious.

As far as earning potential; hey, I'm of the mindset that if my wife can earn money, perfect.  That's just more for us as a family to have and enjoy.  A bigger home, a better car, more family vacations, better life for the kids.  

I think America, not just American women, but the entire American culture has devalued marriage and committment over the years.  Gay marriage, feminism, female indifference, male infidelity, the glamour of 'promiscuous sex' (re Sex in the City mentality), male committment phobia, scandalous politicians and lawyers, many factors have contributed to our current, failing state of the American marriage.

Second point-

When it comes to foreign women; the main thing they offer to us American men is an opportunity to interact with younger, attractive women.  That is the NUMBER ONE DRAW, hands down.  I think it may be the ONLY draw.  Think about it...

I believe that the HOPE that foreign women will make good wives is often used as a front for us men, when the reality is that we want pretty young faces with nice tight bodies.  The whole I-want-a-good-wife thing is just speculation, at best.  We cannot be certain of how these young women will perform as wives once embedded in the American culture.  There's ample evidence that many times they do not make good wives.  My point is that we here on this board often bash American women and sing the praises of foreign women; but the reality is that as potential marraige partners, foreign women are just as unstable as American women.  

I'll repeat- as potential marriage partners, foreign women are just as unstable as American women.

And we cannot ignore the real posibility that our foreign brides will adapt to American culture and inherit the dreaded American Woman Mentality.

So, lets be honest with ourselves.  We are often bitter towards American women not because they are all selfish, fat, overbearing man-eaters.  But because the young, pretty American women we desire won't give us the time of day.  Or if by luck they do, they have no concept of what committment means and they end up breaking our hearts (and bank accounts).  We turn to foreign women not so much because of the bad American woman, but because what we see as good American women (young, thin, pretty) dont' want us, and foreign women (often young, thin, pretty) do want us.

My wife is pretty, sexy, and 9 years younger than I am, so I am a victim of this myself.  Is she a good woman with good intentions; yes.  Will she be a good wife; I HOPE, but I'm not sure (and I can say this same thing about any American woman).  How many men here have latin novias/wives who are the same age, or older, than they are?  Or who are fat?

[utopiacowboy]

... in response to my thoughts (long), posted by Troy on Aug 14, 2004

I am 50 and my wife is 43. I don't think that is a huge age difference nor do I think yours is a large age difference either. On the other hand I would never have given a fiancee visa to the Colombiana who was in her 20s with the 60 year old US citizen fiancee.

[gregas]

... in response to my thoughts (long), posted by Troy on Aug 14, 2004

of a 3 yr old Son, your post is correct. I've taken care of my Son since he was 7 months. I can go on and on talking about sacifices Single Parents must give up, etc..The only way Guys would understand what those Single Women Parents go through is for themselves to try raising a child. Takes lots and lots of Patience, Love, Understanding, Teaching, Money, etc. My hat is off to all Single Parents.

[Phoenix]

... in response to Troy, As a Single Parent, posted by gregas on Aug 14, 2004

What sacrifices?  You are doing what you are supposed to do.

[gregas]

... in response to Re: Troy, As a Single Parent, posted by Phoenix on Aug 14, 2004

Right On, Good Point. Thanks alot, for reminding me that my sacrifice is something I suppose to do. Sometimes I need that kinda reminder, there is hope for you after all. :O)

[Nathan]

... in response to my thoughts (long), posted by Troy on Aug 14, 2004

I don't post much, but your post was provocative.
  Your belief that American men only want foreign women for their youth may be true for some...is it true for you?
As a long term expat in a number of countries, I can say it is far more profound than that for many men, by a long shot.
What you say does reinforce my impression though, that may men use the whole opportunity as not much more than "bride snatching". They spend a few weeks in a southern (Or eastern) clime, become instant experts on the country and culture, then eventually end up bringing a bride home, and hope for the best, often bringing the same pathologies to their "foreign" marriage that helped destroy their previous marriage to an American woman. A few weeks is not enough time to get to know a woman or a country. If you are an expat and not just a tourist, it seems there are three phases you go through in your adopted country and they are not so different than what happens when you meet a woman.
The first stage is romantic infatuation- you just LOVE the place...it is paradise. After a few months, that starts to wear off. Perhaps the hard side of living in a third world country begins to show...the place has a lot of warts. At this point, a lot of people bail out. Finally comes a more realistic balance. You have learned how to deal with the inconveniences (Or not) and see the advantages in a realistic light. You are becoming an expat.
  I do know that your chances of success in the marriage are greatly improved if one learns from their mistakes and makes sure that the new bride is not marrying quite the same man as the one that married your ex-wife...

[Phoenix]

... in response to my thoughts (long), posted by Troy on Aug 14, 2004

The way child support laws are administered are bad.  The formulas used bear little relation to what a child actually needs and critical factors like the debt a woman left you with are ignored.  My (Latina) ex-wife is now married and lives in a house better than mine and would be doing so with or without the children and I pay her over $1000 a month with no accountability required on her part.  If she had to account for the money and deposit the excess in a savings account for the children I would have no problem but in fact she spends every penny of it and when the kids turn 18 they won't see a dime of it after thousands and thousands and thousands of tax free dollars with all the tax benefits though I also care for my children in part.  I am not responsible for subsidizing her lifestyle or paying for indirect expenses that she would have had anyway even without the kids.  And the thing is, when the kids really need something, like braces, I essentially have to pay for that on top of the regular monthly amount.  It's not fair.  She is living the good life while I am living from pay check to pay check.  

As far you your unencumbered comment, I assume you don't have children to make such a comment.  My life would probably be richer if I had full custody of the children.  Why do you think I post to this damn list so much?  I don't have a life and I am not as fortunate as you are to be 6' tall with that tough guy look so all the hot babes would be falling all over me.  And the fact is that most women don't care if the kids stay with you are not.  If you have kids, you are damaged goods, period - especially since they know the ex-wife is getting much of your income.  I should be taking care of my kids 50/50 at least but the ex said she would fight me to the death and go for blood if I tried.  After going through the divorce and my first attempt to adjust child support payments I see clearly that she holds all the cards and that the court is biased and so I just try to get on with my life being the best Dad I can under the circumstances.  Logic means nothing to the court.  My mean and spiteful ex-wife all of a sudden can look surprising meek, vulnerable, and sweet before a judge.  The bottom-line is that I might as well get out the jelly because I'm toast.

And get this, she actually has an incentive, as a beautician, not to work as hard because it simply means she get more tax free dollars from me.  The system is totally screwed up and is biased against men, especially the good fathers.

Troy, my friend, you are way off base with your child-support comments.

However, you are right on most of your other comments.  As my life demonstrates, Latinas don't necessary make better wives especially once they are on American soil.  

[gregas]

... in response to The Unencumbered  Life, posted by Phoenix on Aug 14, 2004

I'm not as fortune as "6' tough Guy Troy" blab blab. You really need help. You need to take a serious soul searching look in the mirror before you considerate on pursuing Love and Happiness aboard. You really sound like a sad sack with your foot down on yourself. Get Counseling therapy. Good Luck.

[Locii]

... in response to Our small role in halting a wrecking bal..., posted by doombug on Aug 14, 2004

If you follow the idea that social and economic behaviors are part of a long-wave pendulum-like cycle, we are just at a moment in time of great inflection.  

Feminism is a by product of Socialism (to say nothing of its brother Communism).  Most of latin america is 3 notches closer  to socialism than the US in their structure.  However, they are also far less wealthy.  So, it follows that the dark sides of 'Feminism' and 'Civil Rights' (by which I refer only to the disputed entitlements systems) are a function of wealth.  It turns out that a bankrupt socialist state is not very effective at redistributing (no) wealth.  So the phrases feminism and civil rights are used to mask socialism here.

http://dhm.best.vwh.net/each.html

Its not popular to argue against feminism or civil rights.  But in fact its a fight over wealth redistribution.

I woudn't expect the wrecking ball to achieve much anytime soon.  What needs to happen in order for your 'decisive peak' of the western woman to arrive, would be a more of the late nineties style economic meltdown to occurr, including at least a partial collapse of our mortgage-backed economy.  It wouldn't be pretty.  Again, if you make everyone broke, the socialist have to go get real jobs.

As american drifts towards Socialist oblivion, its interesting that there are americans coming out with legislation like Maria Cantthinkwell, to protect foreign brides from the corruption of US  men.   However, I have seen no laws protecting US men (or women) from any marriage deemed fraudulent after the fact.  This is a critical area of law having to do with wealth redistribution.

The day that happens will the the day of your wrecking ball.

Ciao

PS:  I met a very sexy Russian student yesterday, spending her summer in Key West stripping to pay for school.  Keep in mind that yesterday was a ghost town in Key West after the hurricane.  Just us locals, 6 stuck tourerrists and a russian stripper.   She pretty much made my day when I asked her what her area of study was.  

Her:  "Public Administration".

Me:   "So, are you trying to tell me that Russia is lacking bureaucrats?"

Her:  "Haha.  No we have them up to here.." (hand held above head)

Me:   "So if I tip you it will make you a better bureaucrat?"

Her:  "No, but it will make me a richer bureaucrat."

All at once I threw my capitalist belief system out the window and felt compelled to enrich a bureaucrat.

[kented]

... in response to Our small role in halting a wrecking bal..., posted by doombug on Aug 14, 2004

This is an interesting topic which hasn't been discussed intelligently here.

I choose to travel to LA because I am attractive to younger prettier women than I am here.  Having lived there are traveled extensively, I feel the essential reason for this is that women there have fewer options (fewer good jobs and a society where men do not have to take care of their children if they choose not to).  Court have also ordered women to pay child support.  

I am not attracted to gringas but I respect them and I don't feel their feminism is the root of all evil.  I've been divorced twice and the courts have been fair to me both times.  I feel that men should provide financial support for their children.  Are there people here who are being forced to support their children against their will?  

If a woman chooses to not emphasize her femininity and becomes less attractive that is her decision.  If, because she can earn as much as I can, she doesn't need me and insists on a relationship which is 80-20 not 50-50, I can take it or leave it.  I love Latin women but I am not bitter, do not hate US women or blame them for all the problems of western humanity.

[Locii]

... in response to the role of feminism, posted by kented on Aug 14, 2004

I very much agree with your 'non-cynic' argument.  Its silly to despise something which is a natural, if temporary, evolution, as well.

The problem I have with what is currently accepted as 'feminism' is is not feminism at all, in fact it is much closer to misandry or "hatred of men".

I have been a feminist all my life; I will fight vehemently, and even have, physically, at times, for the civil rights of any person.  But, when you turn on the television, and every popular male character is a raving imbecile, you know that it has nothing to do with raising up or protecting any person or group, but specifically bringing down men (and mostly white men).

Ha, on a more personal note, perhaps why you can explain to me why the women who de-emphasizes her femininity gets irritated when I fail to respond to her lack of femininity.  

Ciao

[JSlo]

... in response to the role of feminism, posted by kented on Aug 14, 2004

Sound words.

[utopiacowboy]

... in response to the role of feminism, posted by kented on Aug 14, 2004

n/t