? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women

[nocomment]

Greetings to you. Just wondering if you could elaborate on your disdain for Russian women mentioned in your previous posts. Speaking from personal experience? If so, I'd appreciate reading what you have to tell.

[tbirdjoy]

... in response to ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by nocomment on Mar 21, 2004

Ya know you guys who try and compare Latin women to Eastern European women to Asian women crack me up. It's all about personal preference.  Each of these groups of women have their strengths and weaknesses.  With the noticable exception of the Asian board I can go to any of the other two boards and find horror stories.  Most of these stories can be attributed to men who married women way to young, to great of an age difference and /or ignored obvious or subtle signs during the courtship. We tend to be our own worst enemies and then want to blame others for our foolishness.  The truth is that these are all women from the planet earth and minus the cultural differences they are the same in their genetic make-up. You will tend to hear more sour grapes on Boards like this. It's human nature to complain and men who think they've been burned will share loudly.  On the other hand men who are in positive loving relationships will participate less on this board because they tend to be busy nurturing those relationships perfer to spend time with their wives as opposed to being active daily on this board. My Ukrainian wife and I both read this board but don't have the time or energy to respond on a regular basis.  She does however get quite upset with men who generalize all Russians/Ukrainians as sharks and unpassionate. I've only dated Russian/Ukrainian women the past 5 years.  As Europeans I find their culture similar to ours, I find the majority of them to be university educated and they tend to know two to three different languages.  They work hard and are extremely sexy and passionate women.  They want to please their men and they work very hard at keeping themselves beautiful and in top physical shape. I don't profess to state that Latin women are better or worse....in reality who cares. It's what we like as individuals that matters.  

My advise to anyone interested in pursuing foreign women is that it's not for the feint of heart.  It's time consuming, very expensive. Don't think that the expense stops once you get them here.  That just the beginning.  Anyone who has to save up their money for a year just to spend a week in some foreign country needs to probably look closer to home. To do this right and to be sure about not getting scammed you need to spend a lot of money on phone conversations, English lessons in her country and more than one trip to her country to see her.  The advantage the Latin pursuers have over the Asian and Eastern European pursuers is geography.  You can make more trips to see your women with less time involved then the other two groups can.

So let’s not get into a pissing match about which females are better, they're all more beautiful and exciting, then the domestic ones which is why we're all doing this or have done this.  Every man should realize his full potential and find that one special woman that well make him happy for the rest of his life.

Peace and love brothers,
Mark

[zack]

... in response to Re: ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by tbirdjoy on Mar 21, 2004

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I liked your comments but there is one more concrete disadvantage to pursuing Russian woman compared to Latin women besides geography. The Spanish language is similar to English and is a lot easier to learn than is Russian.

And aren't there a lot more non-religious women in Russia compared to Latin women? But I don't think it is fair to call that a disadvantage unless you are a religious man.

When I'm in a Colombian city, beautiful women seem to be everywhere. Is this true of Russian cities? I have never been there and I'm sure it is largely based on personal preference. I'm not trying to start a pissing contest and could care less which women are "better". Just my two cents.

Zack

[tbirdjoy]

... in response to Nice post, but..., posted by zack on Mar 22, 2004

I’ll have to politely disagree with some of the comments.  First let me address the accents.  I’ve been to both Russia and Ukraine each more than once.  I’ve been married to a Russian and now to a Ukrainian.  I’ve only dated Russian/Ukrainian for the past many years.  If you get past the stereotype of Russian accents that Hollywood portrays you’ll find that the vast majority of women have very soft beautiful accents.  My wife is constantly complimented on her accent.  Russia is a very large country and like America has many different accents depending on the geographical region of the country that the woman is from.  Some nicer then others.  I’ve spoken with women all over the country and have only run into a couple that had very thick accents.  The women from Moscow and St. Petersburg areas don’t have thick accents.  My wife is from the Crimea (on the Black Sea, a part of Ukraine) and the women there have very nice accents.  I’ve dated some women from Mexico in my past, and I had a heck of a time understanding them because of their thick accents.  

On the issue of “not standing out” in Europe.  With the high crime against foreigners/tourists in Central and South America that may not be a bad thing.  :-) I can tell you that American men do not look at all like Slavic men.  I can spot a Slavic male quite easily.  Also in my wife’s city of Simferopol (pop. of about 300,000.)  I create quite a stir among the local female population because they identify me very quickly as a American.  We dress differently, we wear our hair differently, we walk differently, etc.  So I always get smiles and long looks.  The last time I was there many women reported back to the Agency where I had met my wife that “there was an American in town!”  The agency owners laughed and told them that they knew that I belonged to one of their clients.

Now let me address the question about the volume of beautiful women to look at.  My first experience in Russia I thought I was going to get whip lash from looking at so many beautiful women.  They are everywhere I kid you not.  There were even more of them in St. Petersburg.  They look and dress like models, they tend to be a bit taller than their Latin America sisters and they are very slender.  They like to wear short skirts, tight pants, high heels, see through tops, etc.  Their everyday dress is something that we here in America only see when we go to night clubs.  It is the same in Ukraine.  I will also tell you that when I was in Romania I thought I had died and gone to model heaven.  Beautiful women are everywhere in Eastern Europe.  Poland was a bit more like America in that they had more of a mixture of regular and beautiful women.

I will concede on the language issue.  Russian is a hell of a language to learn.  Spanish which is part of the romance languages is by far much easier to grasp.  On the religious question, yes they grew up in a communist society where the main religion was atheism but they were taught in their homes by their grandparents and parents about God and Christianity.  They are into their religion which is Russian Orthodox.  They go to church to light their candles.  They pray and they believe in God.  However they’ve never been taught much about the Bible.  They have the Bible but most of them don’t know anything about the Bible and what it teaches or the many different players from the Old and New Testament.  So no I wouldn’t say they are as devote like the people of Central and South America but they’re far from ungodly.
I hope this helps a little bit.  Again it’s all a preference thing, and as I used to say before I got married “variety is the spice of life.”

Take care,
Mark

[harleyman]

... in response to Nice post, but..., posted by zack on Mar 22, 2004

Keep in mind that in Europe you white guys dont stand out in the crowd like you do in Colombia.
Blue or green eyes in Colombia get all kinds of attention but in Russia you look just like a native.
I am of Russian descent (4th generation) and I speak and understand it but the biggest turnoff for me is that thick accent..turns a 10 into a 2....

[zack]

... in response to Re: Nice post, but..., posted by harleyman on Mar 22, 2004

Very good point. Just another advantage of pursuing Colombian women vs Russian women, at least for the caucasian men.

[utopiacowboy]

... in response to Re: ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by tbirdjoy on Mar 21, 2004

Que bueno! Really liked what you had to say, Mark.

[AnzoNevis]

... in response to Re: ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by tbirdjoy on Mar 21, 2004

mmn

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by tbirdjoy on Mar 21, 2004

I'm glad its working well for you.I'm sure there are some good Russian girls and it sounds like you got one.I'm not sure what the odds are between blatant users and good girls,my impression is its alot more than Latinas but thats just an impression based on stories I heard,I have no direct experience with Russian girls.I know one guy who married one and they got divorced but he spoke highly of her and blamed himself for the split.

Pete

[burbuja2]

... in response to Re: ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by tbirdjoy on Mar 21, 2004

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The expenses just begin when they arrive.  Medical insurance, auto insurance, phone bills and food all go up.  In about 15 months, I've spent over $11,000 on language training and another $1000 on vocational assistance.  I've also spent roughly $2000 on a trip back home and trips for her family members to come here.  I'm not complaining, but the costs of spousal integration into our superior lifestyle should not be overlooked.

[John O]

... in response to Well, Comrade...You're Right About One T..., posted by burbuja2 on Mar 21, 2004

$11 grand on language training? That seems high. Private schools are the most expensive option. I once taught at a private language school in Los Angeles. The owner recruited students in Japan who would pay up to $10 grand for a year or so of schooling, when they could have the whole thing for free at a local adult school.

To learn English in the U.S., a local community college or adult school, reinforced with a video course, is the most reasonable option. A good teacher is key, and private schools don't always have better ones.

[cancunhound]

... in response to Cheaper Way to Learn English, posted by John O on Mar 23, 2004

I agree the local community college is the way to go - and I've done both.  The private schools do offer more intensive course options - but at the end of the day it's going to come down to the willingness of your wife to want to learn and put in the effort.  Also, access to Spanish in your local will be a setback - which in the south is pretty hard to avoid.

[Pete E]

... in response to ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by nocomment on Mar 21, 2004

Personal experience? No.Just imformation relayed by others.
ALOT of others.
I'm sure its not all Russian girls,but the reputation is very bad.
I do have experience with Calenas and my impression is the trouble girls are the minority.But they are there for sure and reading alot of these posts a guy might get the impession thats most of them.Like my impression of Russian women.Not true for the latinas,but I read very little denial of it with Russians.Nobody seems to come to their defense.We are totally lacking in possitive stories,but then this is not the Russian board.

Pete

[cancunhound]

... in response to Re: ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by Pete E on Mar 21, 2004

I may have mentioned this before but a couple years ago I had a chat with a young Russian guy at the Rummy table in Central America.  When I inquired about his home country and indicated that my wife and I had been contemplating visiting - his response was - "why in the Hell would you consider vacationing in Russia?"

Maybe he was just a disgruntled Russian, but he seemed like a sharp guy and he wasn't exactly happy about the thought of leaving the land of latinas.  So end of story his advice saved me the prospect of ever having to jump on a flight of more than 4 hours

PS  Gals with language accents like French and Spanish seem to be very appealing to some guys, does anyone get "fired up" over a gal with a Russian accent?     I know - wrong board.

[John O]

... in response to Re: Re: ? 4 Pete E. re/ Russian women, posted by cancunhound on Mar 21, 2004

I tend to like most foreign accents... even British or Aussie ones. Not quite as crazy about Carribbean English (i.e, Jamaican) patois on women, tho.

The one domestic accent I'm not crazy about is NYC. Probably bc I never had a girlfriend from there; the accent seems to show a lot of character, tho. Southern accents seem much prettier on men than on women... I wonder why? Upper Midwest accents are none too beautiful, but I'll always cherish the memory of my college girlfriend's flat Wisconsin Yaaa's.