Suspect 'agency'

[berbo]

A short while ago I requested some information from an 'agency' in Colombia about how to establish contact with the ladies shown on the web site. The reply was : just give us the ref nº from the pictures. I told them that this was impossible because there was only a picture shown, no age, no education, etc. I sugested that they send me some names of ladies indicating my preferance of age range etc.
Shortly afterwords I received some pictures with indication of age and occupation. I replied that I was interested in one person and asked how to proceed.The reply just pay 250.- USD!!
I did not reply to the last email ...but a few days later I received an email from the person that I was interested in.
The content of this message has all indications that this is not the person but 'the agency' behind this messages. In one of this messages  it says ' I can not give you my phone number now, untill we have met, first you have to go to the agency'
The person behind this 'agency' has been recommended on this board.
However, I am not so sure of his ethical standards.
I would appreciate if anybody on this board could indicate me a website where I can verify Client IP and User ID from the 'agency' and the 'lady' I am in contact with. (reverse email search hotmail.com and yahoo.com)
Thank you and regards.
berbo

[harleyman]

... in response to Suspect 'agency', posted by berbo on Mar 6, 2004

Would this agency by some chance be Alegrate Latinas or Colombia Dreamgirls?
If it is he will gladly take your money and refer you to one of the real agencies.
Beware!!

[Calipro]

... in response to Re: Suspect 'agency', posted by harleyman on Mar 7, 2004

which agency he's talking about because he has to much class.

[wizard]

... in response to Suspect 'agency', posted by berbo on Mar 6, 2004

Having had the same thing happen to me, I would say the photo of the girl on the website is a "ringer"... A pretty face strategically placed on the website to bait new members into joining... After you fork over the membership fee, the girl in question is now mysteriously engaged, away on vacation, abducted by aliens or uninterested in meeting you...

When it comes to recruiting new members, NO AGENCY is above reproach...

[Calipro]

... in response to Ringer..., posted by wizard on Mar 7, 2004

What agency? Which one is the ringer?

Let's get to the bottom of this!

[wizard]

... in response to Another suspect "post", posted by Calipro on Mar 7, 2004

I've had this happen at more than one agency, in more than one city in Colombia... Hell, for that fact more than one country in LA... It would do no good to name names, as IMO it's a general agency practice to get new members... Since you don't venture beyond the realm of Cali, let's just say it's happened to me in 2 agencies there...

This topic has been beaten to death of the years, "Do agencies keep ringers posted to the websites to lure unsuspecting gringos?" Arghhh... Duh!!!

The questions is, why are you jumping to the defense of agencies with such vigor throughout this thread??? Just what are your motives??? What, you've never been told that a lady posted on an agency website is not available, engaged, traveling, out of the country, etc......

[Calipro]

... in response to Suspect "motives", posted by wizard on Mar 8, 2004

Yep! You caught me! I secretly sell agency memberships on the side and you guys are hurting my business.

Yes, I have been told that some of the women were engaged, traveling or out of the country. But, it has never happened to me twice. If I don't meet them on the first trip, I have always been able to meet them on the following trip.

I did have a cita with a girl that was already engaged on my lsst trip. As it turns out the secretary made an appoiintment with one of the girls and the next night another american proposed to her and she acepted. Anyway she came to the cita anyway eventhough she was engaged. When I asked her why she said because she promised the secretary she would. Well I started to give the secretary hell for setting me up with an engaged women. The secretary told me she didn't know she was engaged until she showed up for the appointment that day and the girl comfirmed that fact.

The bottom line is there haven't been any women on the books that I haven't been able to meet that I can remember. Hell, even guys who have posted about ringers say they have met them. My question to them is why do they show up at all if they are not interested in marrying a gringo. Is the agency paying them? Or are they really hungry for a free lunch? I personally have an easier time believing that the women are just not interested in the particular guy than to believe that they are already married or lesbian or something. After all what kind of single women in Cali isn't looking for a relationship with a gringo or otherwise.

I say go ahead and name names. Hell I'm going to Cali in a couple of days. Pick a ringer any ringer and I'll make an appointment to meet her when I'm in Cali. If she doesn't show I'll admitt that there are ringers and if she does you can still believe that women that are really unavailable join the agencies.

[HeyNow]

... in response to Re: Suspect "motives", posted by Calipro on Mar 8, 2004

Hey Now this is interesting.  Wizard's comment about attempting to meet the woman (ringer).  The agency response is: she is out of town, can't make it, etc. etc.  He mentioned this has happened a number of times.  My question is, "how do you know?".  Or a better question is "How do you know the agency is truthful?"  Well, the answer is: you don't.  Obviously, if the agency loses too many ringers then the business will go belly up.  Now I remember Wayne mentioned he had a system to get ringer appointments.  If I remember correctly it was to tip the appointment setter.  Good system in my opinion.  IMO in some cases ringer won't show up without this because the agency isn't too wild about you meeting her.   Another question was: "why do they show up at all if they are not interested in marrying a gringo. Is the agency paying them? "  I think they are interested in marrying a gringo but, not just any gringo.  If they are young w/o children and obviously attractive they have their sites on successfull Colombian men as well as gringos.  Keep in mind most of these women aren't too crazy about leaving Colombia.  I met a young obviously attractive agency woman w/o children.  I said "I don't think you need an agency."  She smiled and replied "I know that."    Another subject that has been beat to death on this board is the subjest of women with children.  An attractive woman w/o children in Colombia has thousands of options.  An attractive Colombian with children has zero options.  Of course the agency is well aware of this.  So, what happens?
The agency will try to get you to meet the women with children.  Why? I think some of it has to do with national pride (and also keeping the agency alive).  
Okay now, you read the few testimonies of men (like Wayne)that actually married a ringer (w/o children).  The ringer was only in the agency for maybe a week or less.  Every wonder why?
Then traveller started an agency (Calicita)with all obviously attractive women.  Seemed like a good idea to me.

[utopiacowboy]

... in response to Re: Re: Suspect "motives", posted by HeyNow on Mar 8, 2004

"An attractive woman w/o children in Colombia has thousands of options. An attractive Colombian with children has zero options." This is definitely true. My wife says she had resigned herself to being a soltera the rest of her life. Truly a depressing thought considering her beauty, her intelligence and her vivacious personality. As for the Colombianos, is there another group of men on this earth that are surrounded by such beautiful women with LESS of an idea on how they should be treated? The Colombiana is extremely family-oriented. Does she want a mujercito? Heck, no. This is why the gringo is so valued - because they know that American men know how to treat a woman. Of course our own women can't appreciate it (I have often thought that American women deserve Colombian men!), but the Colombianas sure can.

[Cali James]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Suspect "motives", posted by utopiacowboy on Mar 9, 2004

"An attractive Colombian with children has zero options."

I've heard this a lot of times but have observed that while certainly more difficult, it's not impossible.  For example on my wife's fathers side of the family all the aunts and uncles are married, no divorces to date.  But on my wife's mothers side however, at least two or three aunts have gotten divorced and remarried and guess what "with kids". I've seen a lot of middle class people in Cali who have remarried and they bring children into the new relationship.  

Now maybe if you're a 19 year old babe with 2 children, little education and not much going on for you other than looks, I'd agree, it would be tough.

[utopiacowboy]

... in response to Suspect "motives", posted by Cali James on Mar 9, 2004

I was talking to my wife about this and she says a lot of it is just plain economics. Few Colombian men make enough money to pay child support to their former wives while supporting a new family. So a woman could be extremely attractive but if she's got a bunch of kids, it's going to be tough for her to find a Colombiano who can afford her. And since a lot of these women are widows, there is no help coming from the father of the children.

[cancunhound]

... in response to Re: Re: Suspect "motives", posted by HeyNow on Mar 8, 2004

-"Keep in mind most of these women aren't too crazy about leaving Colombia. "

You might be surprised at just how many would jump at the opportunity to leave Colombia for the US.

[utopiacowboy]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Suspect "motives", posted by cancunhound on Mar 8, 2004

My wife had absolutely no interest in the United States even as a tourist destination. This seems to be fairly typical of the paisas. They are true Colombianas in every sense of the word.

[Cali James]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Suspect "motives&qu..., posted by utopiacowboy on Mar 9, 2004

My wife would much prefer Colombia also.

[cancunhound]

... in response to Suspect "motives", posted by Cali James on Mar 9, 2004

Given all things being equal - so would mine, and for that matter myself.  The opportunity for economic improvement and security is a big factor - and as witnessed of recent - why Colombia is not involved in the visa lottery - lots of folks have jumped ship of recent.