The other side of the story

[zack]

This is the post that Charles does not want you to read. According to him, since I am a member of this board, Batman has given me the special treatment and therefore my trip report should not be taken seriously. Well, if anyone wants the names and numbers of some of the other gringos who were there, I will email them to you. If you talk to them you would realize that everything in this post is true, and that Charles post entitled “Warning!!! Batman is a scam!” is far from the truth. I was tempted to not post about this at all. Batman could care less either way because he has decided to quit this endeavor. But I decided to explain the other side of the story anyway because one of my biggest pet peeves on this forum is when someone gets wrongfully slammed by someone else, especially to the degree Charles did to Batman.

Let me explain the events that led to the cancellation of the pool party. Every gringo there, at least those of whom I spoke with, seemed sincere in his desire to find a future wife. That is, everyone except for one trouble-maker from LA. Charles referred to him as “sleezy guy” (SG). That is too nice of a word for him in my opinion. Let me refer to him as scumbag (SB). I am tempted to post his full name just to warn other agencies about this guy, but I won’t. He is a real trouble-maker. First he hits on Batman’s girlfriend. Then he wants Batman to find him some drugs. When he refuses, SB becomes angry and argumentative. Later on, SB wants Batman to find some hookers for him. Batman refuses again, which made SB even more angry. I was there during this argument so I know it took place. Finally SB goes out and finds some hookers on his own, then brings them back to his room at the mansion. Charles catches him with these ladies. I don’t know what words were exchanged between Charles and SB because I wasn’t there. It wouldn’t surprise me if SB, being angry with Batman,  lied and told Charles that Batman located these ladies for him.

The following evening SB, who is probably in his late 50’s,  picks up two 16 year-old girls at a bar. He later brings these girls to his room at the mansion. I was there when SB met these ladies so I know that Batman had nothing to do with this introduction. He didn’t even know these ladies. Charles discovers SB in his room dancing with these two ladies and  that was near the time when Batman arrived. That was also when the sh%t hit the fan. God only knows what SB said to Charles, but the ladies, SB, and Batman were kicked out of the mansion permanently, the party was cancelled,  and Batman was labeled a scammer and a pimp by Charles, who on that same day, did a long post on Planet-Love explaining what a horrible person he thinks Batman is.

The person who got shafted in this whole deal is Batman, not Charles nor the gringos. When we heard that the pool party was cancelled, we were disappointed of course, but we were not very angry because by then Batman had already introduced us to more than enough decent ladies. Most of us, including myself,  already had a special lady that we wanted to spend the rest of the week with and get to know better, and we knew that the cancellation was beyond Batman’s control. Two guys had already taken off to Buga with a special lady. It wouldn’t surprise me if a marriage or two results from all of this and if it does, to me it was worth all the hassel. Batman offered to refund half of our money but most of us refused because we felt he had already done his job. This doesn’t sound like the behavior of a scammer nor a pimp.

Hey Charles, why didn’t you mention any of this in your venom-infested post about Batman? Why were you saying good things about him a few weeks ago and now you are treating him like a piece of dirt? Something stinks here if you ask me. Isn’t it true that your wife has been trying to cancel this party for weeks because she didn’t like the idea of you being at a party with a few dozen ladies in bathing suits? Can you honestly say that this had nothing to do with the cancellation of the pool party? And what about your friendship with Margareth? You know that she doesn’t like Batman because some of her lady clients had planned to attend his pool party. You also rent rooms for some of Margareth’s gringos. Does the pool party cancellation have anything to do with your desire to make Margareth  happy so you can keep your condo rented?

Charles, you are new to this board and I want to warn you that it is not a good idea to slam someone, especially to that degree, without getting the facts first. And you rent rooms to gringos which makes it even more of a no-no, that is, if you want to avoid a reputation as a slanderer and back-stabber.  Eventually the truth will come back to bite you.

Zack

[Cali James]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by zack on Jan 6, 2004


Hi Zack,

Thanks for taking the time to give your impressions of what happened.  I should mention that I've met Charles a few times in Cali and my impression of him was favorable.  I don't know 'Batman' personally but my impression of him soley from what he posted here was probably less than favorable.  Not that it matters particularly but I wanted to be clear about any biases I may or may not have.

When I read your version of what happened, I get the sense that Scumbag is really the culprit here and noone including Batman particularly liked him or approved of his behavior.  It sounds like he was looking to party the minute he arrived, and his version of partying included drugs, prostitutes and 16 year old girls.

The other thing that struck me as I read the different versions is that there appeared to be a discrepancy on a key point in your version and Batman's version.  Your version said that Scumbag met two 16 year olds at a bar and brought them back to his room.  You said these gals were not arranged or introduced to Scumbag by Batman and Batman had no knowledge of them.  Batman mentioned some 16 year olds dancing in one of the rooms in his version but he said they were cousins of his girlfriend.  Batman now says that he got confused on what group of 16 year olds Charles was referring to and mistook it for another.  In any event, it appears the Batmansion was frequented by quite a few 16 year olds that day.  (-:  

Now I suppose you can't directly blame Batman for the actions of another person but when Batman advertised his place as a sort of Playboy Mansion party central in Cali, he shouldn't have been surprised when he attracted a few guys looking to party in Hefner style.  Batman doesn't strike me as naive either and therefore I find it incredibly hard to believe that he didn't know something like this was likely to happen.  

James

[zack]

... in response to Re: The other side of the story, posted by Cali James on Jan 7, 2004

Hi James,

I agree with everything you said. I want this to be a discussion and not a catfight, and thank you for treating it as such.

Yes, there is a discrepancy regarding the 16 year old girls. When SB met them Batman barely even spoke with them, just a few moments he translated for them and that was it. Later on, SB takes off in a taxi with the 16 year-old girls while Batman and I stayed at the bar until around 2am. When Fuzzyone pointed out the descrepancy to me, I emailed Batman and said "I thought you told me that you didn't know these two 16 year old girls." This is what he wrote back to me:

"no-no --I was confused when I first read Charles post, and then I made haste and posted on Caligringo very upset. I thought he (Charles) was refering to other young freinds that my girlfriend had brought over a day before that I now came to find out were 18... the ones that SB brought over were not freinds of my girlfriend or cousins, and I had nothing to do with SB finding them.....that is my mistake for not thinking clearly when I was very upset and posted."

I wasn't trying to paint a picture of Batman being this perfect human being who could no wrong. Yes, some of this is his fault. like you said, If he would have never posted the semi-nudes on his website, for example, he probably wouldn't have attracted people like scumbag. Also, even thought he doesn't own the mansion, he still should have not allowed gringos to bring ladies to their rooms. To me, that is asking for trouble.

I also was not saying that Charles is this horrible person who is all to blame.  If I were in his shoes, I would have been upset also. But you have to admit one thing. Charles really crossed the line when he, on the very same day, does this long post on Planet-Love calling Batman a scammer, a pimp, etc etc. without talking to the gringos first. Scammers take off with your money, not to be seen again. Batman is no scammer. I also know for a fact that Batman has a respectable, high-paying job in America. He also speaks four languages fluently. I don't think that he would want nor feel the need to pimp with his spare time.

James, one thing I find compelling about all of this, even to the casual observer like yourself, is the fact that Charles has not yet stepped up to the plate and defended himself on this one. If my version of the story were full of lies, why hasn't Charles defended himself? Because I am telling the truth and Charles knows it.

Zack

[Ralph]

... in response to Re: Re: The other side of the story, posted by zack on Jan 8, 2004

I don't know charles froma hole in the wall. OTOH, the little we have to go by on Batman all sounds fishy. He certainly portrayed himself as a Playboy and certainly wanted people to think he owned the mansion. Didn't he in fact quote the price he paid at one point.

It also seems that if there really was 2 sets of 16 year old girls, that there were fairly major incidents 2 nights in a row.

It is nice to know that BM, hey I like that one, has a great high paying job in the states, but he told us he became rich very young, and retired.

The story about not paying till he got back to the states also sounded fishy. Why not just ask for a receipt in addition to the CC billing.

[JSlo]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by zack on Jan 6, 2004

I am not taking sides one way or the other, but it strikes me that you have never taken this much time to explain anything. Instant dismissal in my book. Or are you batman?

[zack]

... in response to Re: The other side of the story, posted by JSlo on Jan 7, 2004

JSlo,

If you can think of a shorter way of adequately explaining the story, I'm all ears. I never do such long posts because I work many hours and I'm not a fast typist. I don't have the time. My post was actually the short version. I could have easily made it twice as long. I was committed to taking the time to adequately explain everything because quite frankly, Charles' BS post really pissed me off.

I don't understand where some guys find the time to routinely do long posts. Maybe they have a computer at work, or maybe they work part time, or maybe they are speedy typists.

Am I Batman? No. I don't think you'll be seeing much of him anymore, not even on the chat forums, at least not for a long time.

Zack

[cancunhound]

... in response to Re: The other side of the story, posted by JSlo on Jan 7, 2004

Interesting how nobody that utilized Batman's services has complained - and apparently there are several members here that could do just that if they had a problem dealing with Batman.  Everything prior to Zack's account above has been heresay, he said/she said at best, which has hence snowballed to the likes of 16 yr olds dancing to being putas.

Que sera sera in Gothic City.  However, for those keeping score - accounts from those that contracted Batman's services: 1 positive, 0 negative.

[Fuzzyone]

... in response to Just an observation, posted by cancunhound on Jan 7, 2004

Here is what Batman wrote on Caligringo

ill also admit that there was one bad apple on the group, but he did
nothing more that I am sure many of us here have not taken part of in
Cali at one point or another. The rooms were not free, and if Charles has
strict rules about whom guests that stay at his house and pay 65/us a
night do, then he should make that clear to them. Like I said, I cannot
control who people bring to their room at 3 o clock in the
morning..wether they are 16 year old pros or 30 year old non pros..I only
offered introductions to reagular girls who work, go to school or are just
plain friends of my 3 year Cali novia who is 19 herself. The 16 year old
girls that he claims were pros were cousins of my novia who were merely
dancing in the room w the music a bit to loud and Charles and his wife
got upset..I then went to pick them up and he claimed that I was
soliciting prostitution and cursing loudly and using profanity..give me a
break...the girls never did anything and we were all deeply hurt that we
were being treated like criminals...
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 So I wonder who is right? Sounds to me Batman knew excatly what was
going on. If this guy was such a scum bag then why was he letting his
girl's realtives up in scum bags room dancing at 3:00am. I do not know
about anyone else here except Calipro who would have feed the mother
to this guy too if it made him feel good but I would have place him off
limits to everyone that was related to my girl. Deeply hurt come on give
me a break at 3:00am who ownes this house. If batman brought the guy
down there then he is responble for what this guy does.  The above was
batman's own words so tell me what is heresay? Read Charles's account,
read Zacks account... there was a big problem but poor batman he got
screwed come one give me a break!!

[zack]

... in response to Re: Just an observation, posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 7, 2004

Fuzzy,

Yes there is a discrepancy regarding the 16 year old girls. Read my response to Cali James post above. Take it for what it is worth. Yes, you are right. Batman should have never let this guy bring ladies to his room in the first place. In fact, I advised him to refund his money immediately and kick him out. He should have listened to me. Batman made his share of mistakes in all of this and paid the price. But trust me, SB was a true scumbag.

Just one question for you. If my account is not accurate, why hasn't Charles defended himslelf? Come on Charles, we're waiting...

Zack

[Fuzzyone]

... in response to Re: Re: Just an observation, posted by zack on Jan 8, 2004

I admit this SB sounded like a piece of crap. Oh well story over...

[burbuja2]

... in response to Re: The other side of the story, posted by JSlo on Jan 7, 2004

Your post consists of three sentences.  In the first sentence you state that you are not taking sides.  In the last two sentences, you obviously take sides.  What gives?

[JSlo]

... in response to JSlo, We're Not All Stupid, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 7, 2004

First let me repeat, I don't give a rat's tail one way or the other! What struck me is that Zack hasn't taken that much space discussing his quest for a woman, and now a 5 minute read on visiting Batster. C'mon man. What gives, inquiring minds want to know?

[beenthere]

... in response to Re: JSlo, We're Not All Stupid, posted by JSlo on Jan 7, 2004

JSlo, why don't you get off the can, go down to Colombia and find out?  Seems you're one of the few frequent posters who only likes to provoke & critisize, but really has no first hand colombia experience.

[burbuja2]

... in response to Re: JSlo, We're Not All Stupid, posted by JSlo on Jan 7, 2004

With Batman on your side - you don't need no diatribe!

[HeyNow]

... in response to Re: Re: JSlo, We're Not All Stupid, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 7, 2004

Okay folks, here is my opinion:  
 Batman claimed he was going to introduce gringos to obviously attractive marriage minded women. I guess you could say the “best and the brightest”.  Batman’s service wasn’t cheap at 125 a night but, not really that expensive either considering the personal translators and one on one attention.
This is definitely a great concept.   Keep in mind he would go out of business quickly if he didn’t introduce the gringos to the “best and the brightest”
Well, could he pull this off?   I thought he was a scam after the Charles post but,
I wanted to read what Zack had to say since he was one of the four that went.
Surprisingly he had a different story. Zack said during the first few days they were introduced to attractive marriage minded women. This might be true because three of the guys had made up their minds and hooked up with the woman of their choice rather quickly. In my opinion this could be true if you are introduced to "only the cream of the crop" it won't take you very long to be convinced. Again, these three gringos declined partial refund of the money given to Batman.  It seems they must have been happy campers.

There are two bad aspects of the established agency. Number one: They thrive on repeat customers so, it isn't in their best interest if you hook up with someone you are convinced with. Number two: Because of this they aren't real crazy about you meeting the best women. The best being obviously attractive marriage minded women.
(If you don’t believe this then, “I got swampland for sale” and you bought it all)
Apparently Cali is a large city but, in some respects a small world. Batman knew some girls that knew most of the agency girls. Hence, he could bypass the agency and introduce the best and brightest agency girls to his tour gringos. The agency smelled trouble and I think it didn't take long before the agencies realized that if anyone with the "Batman concept" was allowed to do business then the actual truth would surface and they would go belly up. That brings me to this.  Isn’t it interesting that there isn’t a response from the agency or Charles regarding Zack’s post?  Correct me if I am wrong but, didn’t Patrick invite Batman back?