Language Barrier

[JSlo]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Language Barrier/Latin Encou..., posted by Cali vet on Oct 10, 2002

I spoke to someone at LE recently, I was quoted a daily rate of $85 with agency privileges. I had the opportunity to meet Margareth, make no doubt about it, she is a business woman. Not unlike alot of individuals that you will meet and do business with here in the states. I do like that fact that she delivers, and works hard on your behalf. My personal philosophy is that I do not have to like you, lets just get the job done. I do not like the fact that she has identified every opportunity and situation that can be profitable, meaning that, no matter the occasion or situation, there is a price attached. In business I don't like feeling that I have to ALWAYS watch my back in dealing with you.
My suggestions in dealing with LE:
1) Go in with your guards up, make sure you know up front all fees and assume nothing. She is good at making money, very good.
2) Be prepared to meet several women, again she does make things happen.
Would I do business with her? YES    Would I trust her? .........?
Caveat emptor applies.
JAS

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Language Barrier/Latin Encou..., posted by Cali vet on Oct 10, 2002

I hear you CV.
Good info.

You see, this is the thing. Agency managers should make all decent efforts to make their clients happy because when they screw up, gringos will hear about it. I'm glad this is coming directly from you as the first person involved.

Aaron

[Calipro]

... in response to Re: Re: Language Barrier/Latin Encounter..., posted by littlebhuddha on Oct 10, 2002

Someone recently posted on a bad experience with an agency. I think this was a really valuable post which the more astute beginners out there may want to study closely. Perhaps, I am more sympathetic then the knee-jerk skeptics because I have had many experiences and been a member of agencies including the one mentioned and what he says rings true. I think the larger lesson to be learned is that if you go to an agency think hard about your goals and how you are going to conduct yourself once you are there. I have the following suggestions.

1. Go with the intention of getting a wife and nothing else. Avoid the tours and parties. My experience has been that the most desirable ladies don’t go to these events anyway. Go during an off-season so you get more individual attention.

2. Remember that the other men there are your competitors. They have the right to go after a woman you are interested in and many times will do so even after you have committed to and selected her. Don’t give them any information about your girls. Don’t depend on the agency to take her picture out of circulation to quickly.

3. Be friendly and respectful to everyone including the staff. But, don’t become too familiar. Their affairs are their problems and not yours. I often see guys getting involved in the politics of the agencies and trying to improve things and help out. I don’t get it. I am there to get a wife. I would rather spend my free time at the shopping mall approaching women.

4. Be careful of what you say. Assume that anything you say will get back to somebody. Assume the walls have ears. If you don’t like a woman just say she is very nice but there isn’t any chemistry. Don’t tell anyone including the staff who you are (or are not) interested in. Don’t say anything negative.

5. Do not ask for or accept advice from anyone there. Because everyone has a conflict of interest and will give you a bum steer. The agency staff is in a no win situation if they give out advice. What are they going to do, say a woman doesn’t have good character? Then why is she there? Seriously consider bringing a person having good judgment with you who cares for you like your mother, a sister, or close friend. This is the only person who is going to give you advice in your best interest.

6. Remember that these agencies are in business and have to survive by making customers happy. This means that they all tolerate the perverted sex tourist gringos who come down to Colombia (despite what they might tell you). Don’t befriend them or get involved with them in any way. It will only reflect on your reputation and come back to haunt you (and, above all, waist your time).

7. Stay at a private hotel. For the same price as an agency (or a small amount more) you can get a much more comfortable and private room. You also have your own private phone which comes in handy. You can get a cable TV with English channels. You can sleep at night because it is quiet. I would get up early, bring a backpack of my stuff and was at the agency in a few minutes with a simple cab ride. I would then stay at the agency all day. Simple.

8. Seriously consider writing instead. This way you have 100 percent control and avoid the agency politics that can waist your valuable time.

[Calipro]

... in response to Re: Re: Language Barrier/Latin Encounter..., posted by littlebhuddha on Oct 10, 2002


 I met my wife at Latin Encounters in August. I met alot of nice women at LE and I never had a problem with ringers. Also I never had a problem with Margareth. I dealt with Shirly and Carol and I never even had a conversation with Margareth until after I was married and I asked her to take my wifes picture off her web site. In fact I will admit I really don't know what a ringer is I guess it is a women that goes out with you so she can eat or something. I never heard anybody say that Margareth pays these women to meet with guys so I don't know what the womens motivation is other than to meet someone for a posible relationship. I have a feeling that most of the better looking women are not desperate to get married. So, when some guys meet them and the women are not interested in them , the guys start calling them ringers.

 My wife told me that before she met me,  she met at least a dozen guys at Latin Encounters and wasn't interested in any of them. So there are a least a dozen guys out there that think my wife is a ringer.

My advice is to stay at a hotel like House Suites (very close to Travelers Suites) and don't stay at the agencies or get involved in the politics. You should understand that there is a lot of competition among the agencies in Cali and you shouldn't believe even half of what you hear. Go to all the agencies and make up your own mind.

If you don't speak spanish you are going to need a translator. I would recommend that if you are going to go out with a lady that you use a translator that doesn't work directly with a agency.

 I think it was valuedcustomer that gave some excellent advise on the agencies. I try to look it up for you.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Language Barrier/Latin Encou..., posted by Calipro on Oct 10, 2002

There's nothing wrong with a woman being a member of an agency, but is a little more picky with who she wants to spend her time with, and be serious with. YES...it is ok if she wants to go out for dinner dates with many men. That's the whole dating process. I would rather have a genuine, but selective, discrete, and well kept ringer than a woman who's going to accept a marriage proposal within two weeks by a guy from a totally different country, and speaks a totally different language.

Aaron

[Tai]

... in response to There's nothing wrong with RINGERS, posted by Aaron on Oct 10, 2002

Aaron, come on bro...

There is a distinct difference between a "ringer", and a woman that is particular and discerning about with whom she would become seriously involved.

"I would rather have a genuine, but selective, discrete, and well kept ringer than a woman who's going to accept a marriage proposal within two weeks by a guy from a totally different country, and speaks a totally different language."

A genuine ringer is an oxymoron...and there happens to be a guy here on the board(that you have expressed respect for in the past), whose wife(from a different country, speaking a totally different language) accepted a proposal within a couple of weeks, if I'm not mistaken. -And from all reports, she is a very sincere woman.

just .02

Tai

ps - Be careful what you wish for, or endorse, as Karma just might swing it your way.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: There's nothing wrong with RINGERS, posted by Tai on Oct 10, 2002

I got good Karma, es rica. LOL !!!

[Tai]

... in response to One more thing Tai. , posted by Aaron on Oct 10, 2002

I don't doubt it, man. -lol

Tell me this though...

Say you do go down to Cali, meet an incredible woman and "lightning" strikes; prompting a decision to marry this woman after knowing her for only a number of weeks.(don't say "no way" just yet, humor me here)

Do you believe that someone would be able to talk you out of it?

Tai

ps - When I say that karma might swing something your way, it doesn't necessarily mean that something bad will happen to you...but also that sometimes situations will present themselves; ones that challenge positions that you've believed to be absolute.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: One more thing Tai. , posted by Tai on Oct 10, 2002

No, I doubt someone would be able to change my mind. But, I highly doubt I would fall for something like that. I don't believe in love at first sight. And I'm not getting engaged unless I love the woman.

No, let me come clean here because I myself have almost made this mistake too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here it is. In May 2000, I went to Bucaramanga and met a girl. She was really cute and sweet. I spent 10 days straight with her only. A close friend of mine scheduled for the girl and I to go for a 4 day get away in the mountains at a nice classy hotel. I paid for separate rooms. This girl would not let me go the whole way, and yes I did try. I was a dog. But, I liked her too. It was very romantic, and kind of hot.

We went to the Chicamoca mountain ranges, and we went to view some antique catholic churches that date as far back as the 18 century.

Well, near the end of my stay, I felt attached to the girl, and I didn't know what to do. So, I proposed to her. I bought her a diamond ring !!!!!!!!

The next day, as soon as I went out into public and saw all the other pretty girls walking around, I new I made a mistake. I realized that I didn't love that girl enough to keep my focus on her, and not be interested in being with other women.

When I had to go back to Cali for my return flight back to the USA, I stayed at the old LatinLove in the Crystal Palace in Ciudad Jardin. I stayed there one night because I was familiar with the place, but not very familiar with Cali.

Well, when I was at LatinLove....BAM !!!!! I saw the most beautiful girl I had ever saw. Physically, she was beautiful. Personality wise, she was really nice. I was so attracted to her that I was intimidate and too shy to talk to her. We started to talk. And she said she had a boyfriend, but the relationship was going well. So, I decided to just forget about her. And really, I couldn't have been any good for her at the time because I was all mixed up with my feelings about the other girl. I felt guilty, and I felt confused.

When I returned back to the US, I talked to the girl from Bucaramanga, and I told her that we were going too quickly. We decided to break it off. I told her to keep the ring.

But, as for the other girl from LatinLove, man I still can't get that girl out of my mind. Actually, I am kind of hoping that I'll see her again in one of the agencies that are still open. But, I doubt it. She's probably married by now. I've been asking around.

Well, I can't believe I'm writing this, but if I met that girl from LatinLove again, for example on my next trip, I don't know how I would respond. I would definitely consider her marriage material, and I probably would definitely tell her that I have a crush on her. And I would most surely not be interested in meeting other girls. If I saw that girl again, and we would be able to get along, I would not ask for another cita. And I would probably tell her I would like to marry her if she was the right person.

However, I haven't met any other girl yet that made such an impression on me like she did. I can remember meeting that girl like it was yesterday, but it was on May 19, 2000.

Aaron

[Aaron]

... in response to Well, From Past Experience.... LOL !!!!!, posted by Aaron on Oct 10, 2002

There is a typo on the longer post above. Basically, the girl I'm referring to said that her boyfriend was being a player, and the relationship was not going well at the time.

Aaron

[El Diablo]

... in response to Well, From Past Experience.... LOL !!!!!, posted by Aaron on Oct 10, 2002

Sounds like love at first sight to me or at least it's first cousin lust at first sight. lol  May of 2000 was when I lived in Cali and I was over at L.L. almost daily.  I'm betting I've probably met this mystery gal of yours or if not I can ask Veronica what happened to her.  Anyway, I used to be a "thunder bolt" skeptic myself but have sense repented of  my ways.  Looks to me like you'd fall quick if you met the right gal.  (-:

El Diablo

[Aaron]

... in response to Well, From Past Experience.... LOL !!!!!, posted by El Diablo on Oct 11, 2002

D,

I know you were around the same time because that was the first time we had met. When we met, I was going to Bucaramanga, and you had just arrived in Cali. We met by chance because I missed my plane that same morning, and had to stay until the afternoon. The date was about May 1st, 2000. I stayed at LL for two days. One on May 1st, 2000 and another on May 19th, 2000. I met this girl on May 19th, 2000. I can remember her clearly. I'll send you an email. Thanks.

Aaron

 

[Cali vet]

... in response to Well, From Past Experience.... LOL !!!!!, posted by Aaron on Oct 10, 2002

If you really got down with some detective work you could probobly find her or at least what happened to her. You could start with Mauricio who's in charge of the current iteration of Media Naranja. Barring that there's a booming private detective industry in Cali. But in the end it comes down to what a long time resident friend of mine says: "there's more girls in Colombia than churches".

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Well, From Past Experience.... LOL !..., posted by Cali vet on Oct 10, 2002

I'm sending you an email now. LOL !!!!!!!!!

[Cali vet]

... in response to CV, let's exchange emails about this. , posted by Aaron on Oct 10, 2002

[This message has been edited by Cali vet]

Bueno amigo le espero tu e-mail pero te contesto manana porque ahora esta ventiando ese olor agridulce de la cana que siempre se encuentra en el camino a Palmira y el aeropuerto y me da sueno.