Playing Smart / Being yourself

[2bit]

Many many agency websites use ringers and yet they claim they don't. The only thing I would trust on many sites is some of the most recent holiday agency tour photos. Obviously you can’t pick out the players from a tour photo although at least you know they are in the scene and somewhat available.

I know of one LE rouge in which Margareth used a few years ago when an Amigos tour in Cali went sour. It played out like this: first two nites of the Amigos tour had very few quality babes for the 15 or so attendees. The guys were really giving poor ol Charley Moore of Amigos (now deceased) a hard time about the lack of prospects.

To save face for the last night of the tour Charley called Margareth of LE to send in some of her most stunning woman, which she obliged. From what I heard that last night had the fewest number of gals but the quality of those girls blew the guys away. However all of Margareth’s ladies were fronting for her agency. The only phone numbers guys got which none of them knew that night was LE. (-;

A slick move, which gave poor ol Charley Moore a short reprieve from his pouting attendees until they found out the gig although best ladies Margareth pulled in a few those gringos from the Amigos tour. I knew of one Gringo who joined LE & was very happy with his choice, but of course it was revealed then what kind of person he was now dealing with.

~She can pull the really good ladies in when needed.
~Will use deceitful tactics if needed
~& Yes I heard she plays favorites (but can blame anybody in this business, there are allot of kooks on both sides)

I know all these agency owners do not communicate from city to city but some of them use the same deceitful tactics. Because like a “used car salesman” they acquire a skill that comes with years of working the same clientele over and over again whose intentions are to get something they “desire”. What’s that line from silence of the lambs: we covet what we see everyday & they the agency owners know that.

To summarize; Seems we have some pretty savvy people on this board who’ve been burned but have learned from it & hopefully in the process haven’t become cynical just smarter by still being themselves and enjoying the process more and more.

[Patrick]

... in response to Playing Smart / Being yourself, posted by 2bit on Jul 16, 2002

I think the smart play is not to let looks be the over riding factor in choosing who you pursue.  Some of these ladies may be ringers, but some of men calling them ringers may be saying this simply because the ladies aren't interested in them.  Just because a young extremely beautiful woman lives in Colombia doesn't mean she's going to be attracted to just any gringo.  Being very beautiful can make a woman very picky in who she chooses to get into a relationship with. If they're not attracted it doesn't mean that they have no intention of looking for a man.  It may simply mean that they have higher standards than most women and being beautiful makes it possible for them to be very selective.

One of the things the guys who go after the really attractive women seem to forget is that they have to live with the woman after marrying.  When it comes down to sharing a life together, I think many of these really beautiful young women are hard to live with and high maintainence.

The bottom line is that sex sells.  I'd suggest simply not buying. Instead, look for women who are attractive enough, but have character as well as looks.  There's plenty of attractive women in Latin America who aren't beauty queen types and have good personalities as well as good looks.  Just don't focus soley on looks.  Look for a GOOD woman who's good enough looking.

Guys put so much energy into selecting the right agency to maximize their chances and often seem not to realize that puting that energy into preparing themselves for the process instead will have a better pay-off.  Men can succeed with (or without) any agency.  That success is far more dependant on the man than any agency or method he uses.

[bogota vet]

... in response to Playing Smart, posted by Patrick on Jul 17, 2002

I researched thoughly the no shows and ringers at Latin Encounters, when I was there.
No gringo was meeting them, eve knew one 32 year good looking engineer, and he even got burned.

I found out: Oh, we haven't heard from her in months, relative in the hospital she can't come in for cita, she has exams this week can't come in for cita, she just moved, she just got a Colombian boyfriend, she just got a gringo boyfriend, she just decide the agency was not for her, she is out of town on vacation, etc...

I'm going to stop posting on this board, if I haveprove everything I saw over and over.

[pastilla100]

... in response to Re: Playing Smart, posted by bogota vet on Jul 17, 2002


Good post.  If a woman isn't available and you are given an excuse instead, there are two possibilities being discussed here: (1) she is beautiful and picky and not interested in you, or (2) she is a ringer, that is, she simply is not available to anyone and is on the website just to pull men in.  Another possibility is that for whatever political or financial reason the agency owner decides not to give you access to a lady.  For those who have some experience in this it is obvious that (2) is being played with some regularity although we don't carry around little black books to record all of our impressions to provide evidence for planet love.  As for (1), if she is not interested in you, the agency owner can just tell you that straight out and doesn't need to make any excuses.  Also, if a beautiful woman is Cali is holding out for the highest bidder, yet another reason to avoid agencies.  You can avoid the politics and corrupted women by avoiding agencies.  It's becoming easier with the Internet.  I just joined amigos.com and will report more as I get experience.  I also think newspaper ads is a good idea.      

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: Re: Playing Smart, posted by pastilla100 on Jul 17, 2002

The point I was trying to make is this-

Avoid the really beautiful young women!  Unless the man is in the top 1% in terms of his attractiveness to the ladies, it doesn't make much sense for him to be pursuing the top 1% in ladies.  When a man stops looking for the trophy wife, he doesn't have to worry about ringers.

It's also my opinion that things like character, compassion for others, etc. is harder to find in the extremely beautiful women.  After you've been together a while, looks are not going to have the same effect on a man as they did when he first met the woman.  You've got to live with her and if she's a lazy, pouting, spoiled beautiful girl, living with her is not going to be much fun, even if she has model looks and body.

[Wayne1]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Playing Smart, posted by Patrick on Jul 17, 2002

Patrick,

Did you meet my Russian wife...LOL

Wayne

[markxport]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Playing Smart, posted by Patrick on Jul 17, 2002

I'm sure (or hope) many of us are fortunate enough to have parents and/or grandparents that are/were married +40 years.  After +40 years of marriage do you think dad or grandad still hanging around because mom or grandma has a great rack or tight butt.  NO!!!

Looks may of had something to do with it +40 years ago, but that d*mn sure didn't get them through life.  Compatiability and strength of character did!  Unfortunately, neither sex can just look at the other and visually measure these two traits.  

I'm no better than the next guy when it comes to noticing a beautiful woman, but that doesn't I'm going to propose on that basis alone.  

Take care,

Mark

[AlexG32]

... in response to Another way to look at it....., posted by markxport on Jul 17, 2002

Very well put!  Listen guys what does it really matter if an agency uses “RINGERS”, after all Colombia is a Capitalist nation with the same free enterprise spirit we all cherish.  

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and those who have seen my fiancé all tell me how beautiful she is.  What matters to me are the opinions of the people who I admire and respect; my family and closest friends!  These people also know how incredibly smart, lovable and compassionate my fiancé is.  No one seems to acknowledge or care about the fact that beautiful women also have feelings, like the rest of society.  They are no different than the rest of us.  Their blood is red, their feces is brown and they are attracted to and respond to whoever turns them on.

When I proposed to my fiancé this past February she was in her last semester of college and she wanted to QUIT school in order to marry me as soon as possible.  I told her “no way” would I allow her to throw away all she and her parents sacrificed, in terms of time, money, and the pride her parents and the rest of us will always cherish the moment she receives her college degree.   Sadly I wont be there to watch her walk across the stage when she receives her diploma, but for the rest of our lives I know the sacrifices we both made will benefit our relationship.    Reading the posts on this board the last couple of days makes me realize how selfish we as “Americans” are.  Everything is I, I, I…..it’s no wonder the rest of the world view us as a selfish, conceded self absorbent society.  Lets face it, the world doesn’t revolve around us.  VERY few of us seem to know or care about the sacrifices our foreign brides make, and that is not taking into account the family members who are left behind.  Let’s face it we leave behind, father-in-law, mother-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, aunts uncles and every facet of familial society.

I don’t like lecture…I certainly know, I don’t have all of the answers………..but I thought that the purpose of this board was to inform the public on the pros and cons of searching for a foreign bride.   The last few days of this board have been dedicated to rating a certain agency in Cali, and to me that is doing an injustice to those who are searching a “LATIN” alternative!!!

[Wayne1]

... in response to Another way to look at it....., posted by markxport on Jul 17, 2002

The beauty wears off no matter how stunning they are.  I have had the pleasure of having two very beautiful wives.

They all stink up the bathroom.

Find one you can be friends with.

Wayne

[AlexG32]

... in response to Re: Another way to look at it....., posted by Wayne1 on Jul 18, 2002

LOL......N/T

[Kit]

... in response to Playing Smart, posted by Patrick on Jul 17, 2002

Well said. The only thing I would like to comment on is that many people automatically perceive very attractive people (not necessarily women) as having many vices. Perhaps a bad character, attitude, high maintenance etc. I think they get intimidated by their looks and devise excuses for not approaching them. I used to know one very attractive lady here in NA that was very lonely because people (especially at work) would avoid her as they all thought she was a prostitute, drug user, high maintenance or had numerous boyfriends anyway (but she didnt). So my take on that is choose what appeals to you, get to know that person and then decide for yourself if the whole package is worthwhile or not. Do not turn down anyone who you like at first sight but know nothing about based on the premise that if there are looks there is no character. Do not downsize looks to automatically receive more of a character. It just does not work that way.

[Darkstar]

... in response to Playing Smart, posted by Patrick on Jul 17, 2002

I agree completely. It all starts with oneself. It's critical that you are at your best to choose wisely.

Yo concuerdo completamente. Todo comienza con sí mismo. Es crítico que usted está en su mejor escoger sabiamente.

Tim

[markxport]

... in response to Playing Smart, posted by Patrick on Jul 17, 2002

Truer words cannot be spoken!!!  I think everyone needs to remember that TWO people are making choices.  That TWO people are deciding their future.  And that it takes TWO people  to make any relationship work.  If she isn't attracted to you for whatever reason, well then she's done you a great favor by moving on.

Take care,

Mark

[colombian]

... in response to Playing Smart, posted by Patrick on Jul 17, 2002

i dont thingso same you.
because many yougers woman and very atractive is not interesting and much betther life,some this womans only want to have the perfect man for expend all the her life together,with the real love,yo soy muy joven y en las agencias tenia muchas citas pero la verdad ,en ese tiempo no era nada serio solo pensaba en la rumba y en la dversion nada mas,pero todo eso era porque en primer lugar habia visto muchos hombres quienes eran players y nada serios,pero ahy muchos que les gustan hablar y no se miran ellos mismo,porque no se ponen a reflexionar,porque es que les van mal en una relacion y porque luego las mujeres juegan con ellos ,es porque ellos ya les han danado el corazon creo yo,etonces mucha gente mira el ojo de la paja de otros pero no se miran el de ellos.espero con mi opinion no ofender a nadie,gracias a dios ese nunca fue mi caso ,cuidesen y un beso y que Dios los bendiga.
sincerety:la colombiana.

[mck]

... in response to Re: Playing Smart, posted by colombian on Jul 17, 2002

Que parte de Michigan to vives Colombiana? Yo y la novia de yo viven in Dearborn Michigan. Dearborn es 5 kilometeros cerca de la ciudad de detroit. La novia de yo habia viviendo con migo para dos meses. Ella tiene la tourista visa. Mi novia es desde Guadalajara Mexico.