caution: stong but frank opinions here.....

[colman]

To whom it may concern,
  Whoa got back from independecnce day, great day my family and I ate chusos and arepas (Colombian shish-kebab and corn cakes). Well this is not directed to anyone in particular. Here is my opinion on the subject of skin color and how Latinos view and deal with this controversial subject matter. First of all, as I stated in a prior thread, lighter skin, fairer in Latin America do at times have an advantage so to speak but I believe this is decreasing. Also somebody stated that viewing the Colombian telenovelas may prove this theory of superiority with the skin color. If I remember correctly, Betty La Fea had black, mestizo, blanco and others that truely represent Colombia. You see my friends,the telenovela does REPRESENT Colombia. Colombia is very diverse in its people. There is no "typical" Colombian, maybe culturally but not physically. Someone alluded that Mexico is also diverse but I beg to differ. That same person used recent migration as a factor in the Mexican people's diversity. My point is the main strain of a typical Mexican is that of Native American.  The Native American blood strain is most profound in the "average" Mexican. Yes, yes, I know there are "gueras" and blue eyes but what I am trying to point out is that the average Mexican has the Native American blood most pronounced in them compare to others (Europeans, African---definitely almost zero with African). Okay everybody, here is my point and conclusion. The Native American blood is also part of the Colombian people. The difference I think is that 95% of the world believes that Iroquois, Taino, Chibcha, Navajo, Aztec, Toltec...etc...look identical. The fact is that all of these Natives are as different physically as the Slavic and Magyars of Europe are. Its true the Arawak and Chibcha Natives of Colombia, Venezuela and to a lesser degree Brazil were very similiar tho the Polynesian people---slim, slender, graceful bodies and very sensual. When these unique Natives intermingled with the Europeans and Africans it produced very exotic beautiful creatures. The documents I have seen of REAL Aztec, Toltecs have shown that these Natives tended to be short, nalga chupada, translation=flat butt, twigs for arms and legs. This is also very true with the Mayans except the Mayans for famous for having very round heads. Now I am not putting anybody down here but I know people are going to think I am generalizing but so be it. God is not only a spiritual leader, God was also an excellent alchemist. God blessed Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil with exotic roots to blend with other peoples. Hey people, that is how I look at it. Unfortunately or fortunately (depending on how you look at it) God blessed the Middle East with an abundunce of dinosours and hence the fossil fuels. If the Middle East did not have oil, its biggest export would be FIGS!!! So people, you are dealt with the cards so deal with them. Also when Latinos talk about blondes, rubias, guears, I personally think of a tall Scandinavian, yellow blonde, blue eyes not someone like Thalia---and for you guys that think I am being bias, I also put Sofia Vergara and the secretary from Betty La Fea,(you know who I am talking about) on the same list. Rubias, gueras.....PLEASE or as my Mexican friends would say, yeah, yeah Luis Hernandez (Mexican soccer player) you might have blonde hair but you still have the tortilla, nopal on your forehead!--lol-----Colman

[Pete E]

... in response to caution: stong but frank opinions here....., posted by colman on Jul 4, 2002

Colman,
I don't know all the reasons,perhaps you are correct as to why,but the ethnic mix of Colombianas has brought out some beautifull women.I haven't been everywhere,so I can't speak from personal experience other than Colombia,but if you look at the web sites the Colombianas have it hands down in beauty and attractiveness in my opinion.
I don't doubt people who are posting about people from certain parts of Mexico,but in Colombia the beauty seems to exist in all parts of the country.I guess I buy your explanation of Europeans and Africans mixing with native people who themselves were attractive.The resulting mix of people,especially as seen in women is typically very attractive.I think there is something to be said about body types here also.The bubble butt figure,of which I am a big fan seems common in Colombia,rare in the Mexicans I have seen.Walking through Chipi Chapi or Unicentro you will see more nice booties  than anywhere I have ever seen.
I was reading in my newspaper this morning about young women risking skin cancer to get a tanned look.My wife has that look naturally,no tanning booths needed.And the aforementioned posterior.Pompies as they are called in Colombia.
Beauty is of course subjective,and we are all biased to some extent.But untill I see alot more evidence,in pictures or in person,I have to believe the Colombianas have it more than any other women I have seen.Venezuela and Brazil look like strong competitors also.And the really beautifull thing about it is you can take one home.They are available to ordinary gringos.Beauty and availability.What a deal.This is just not a philosopical argument,it becomes reality for those who act.
I admit I am hopelessly biased based on personal experience.
No offense intended to anyone else's prefference in women.

Pete

[CaliBound]

... in response to Re: caution: stong but frank opinions he..., posted by Pete E on Jul 5, 2002

Hi Pete,
I agree with you 100%.  If you want 'El Paquete Completo', you go to Colombia. I hope that my brother and his wife are not reading this post. She is a very beautiful lady from Mexico.  They have been married for over 12 years and have two lovely girls.  He's 51, she's 33 and they get along great.

Why am I going to Colombia? I have dated ladies from all over the world, but the ones from Colombia have been impossible to forget. Every time they said "Papito" or "Bizcocho", it sounded like music to my ears! I just can't wait to experience that again!  

I will be in Cali July 18th-25th (I had to postpone my trip in June).

Pete, I would like to speak with you. Is it possible for you to e-mail me your phone #?

My E-mail: Lhninc@bellsouth.net

Thanks,

Frank

[colman]

... in response to Re: caution: stong but frank opinions he..., posted by Pete E on Jul 5, 2002

Pete, thank you for your opinions and thoughts.

[JUAN]

... in response to Re: Re: caution: stong but frank opinion..., posted by colman on Jul 5, 2002

Colman, you're Colombian, you would think Colombia is the best, that's no surprise.

There are beautiful women all over the world, that's a fact.

[colman]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: caution: stong but frank opi..., posted by JUAN on Jul 5, 2002

Juan, true I am Colombian-American but it is also true that I believe Brazil has the finest women of the universe, I was just trying to explain in previous posts that the mixing of races in different regions of Latin America produced a find blend of women.

[JUAN]

... in response to caution: stong but frank opinions here....., posted by colman on Jul 4, 2002

I don't see how he can think that Mexicans of Indian descent are not *real* Mexicans.

His notion that *chicanos* are not *real* Mexicans is ridiculous, maybe culturally they are not pure Mexicans, that's what happens when you assimilate into the US, but they are of Mexican descent, they're not European, Asian or African American, they're not from Mars either.  

Asian-Mexicans, European-Mexicans, Cuban-Mexicans etc...these people have ADOPTED the Mexican culture as their own, they have even added to it but how does this make them more *real* as a Mexican than a native Indian Mexican/mestizo living in Mexico?

Anyway, here's the ethnic breakdown of Mexico: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/mx.html

Either their lying through their teeth or the *REAL* Mexico Randy speaks of only makes up 10% of the population in Mexico.

And I agree with you 100%, when I think of tall, blond, blue eyed women, I think of gringas or Europeans not latinas.

This is just a guess, but I would think most guys that go down south looking for a lady don't go with the idea of hooking up with a tall, blond haired, blue eyed woman.

[Alteno]

... in response to I don't think Randy ever heard of the Az..., posted by JUAN on Jul 5, 2002

Juan: I doesn't suprise me that you would try to twist my words around. Read my new post above also.

I was trying to explain that Mexico exists on many planes. There has been alot of immigration to Mexico in the past 500 years from all over the world. Many of these groups have long assimilated and added to the culture that is modern Mexico.

I thought you would agree with me on this, as I was trying to dispel stereotypes about Mexicans from what folks see in the USA when they look at the Hispanic/Chicano/Cholo/Mexican-American/Aztlaneses (pick whatever suits your politically correct sensibilities). This is not the mainstream Mexican culure in Mexico, far from it. The Chicano culture in the USA is a culture unto itself, neither American-USA or Mexican. People see this culture in the USA, and then they form ideas that that is the way it is in Mexico. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am just trying to pass on what I have learned while LIVING here on my specific plane of existence, that being upper-middle class.

And, Juan, please don't use that old stereotypical argument that there is a very small middle and upper class in Mexico. Both classes are expanding and growing daily as Mexico catches up to the rest of the world, AND without color or class distinction.

With the billions of dollars Mexican workers send home to Mexico from the USA even to remote Indian villages where they don't speak Spanish, things are changing all around, and will hopefully continue to change for the better for EVERYONE.

Now, is that elitist?

Saludos desde los Altos...

[JUAN]

... in response to I was giving a demographic for my region..., posted by Alteno on Jul 6, 2002

I do agree with you that Mexico is a more diverse nation than many people think, I was just trying to point out to you that despite your claims of what the "Real" Mexicans look like, the overwhelming majority in Mexico remains the Mestizo/Indian population.

Culturally, of course 2nd and 3rd generation Mexicans living and working in the US are not going to be 'pure' Mexicans, how could they be? They're growing up in the US NOT Mexico. This should be no surprise.

My problem is when you hint that Mexicans who have just arrived here are not representative culturally/ethnically of what Mexico is like.

I think you need to broaden your horizons Randy, Mexico, much like the US, is a HUGE country, with different states/regions, each region has their own little customs and traditions that make them unique.

I know many Mexicans living here in New York, most of them are from Puebla, maybe you should think about going there one of these days and you'll see they are 'real' Mexicans, both culturally and ethnically, just as real as the Mexicans you've known in Guadalajara and Los Altos.

[Ted]

... in response to I was giving a demographic for my region..., posted by Alteno on Jul 6, 2002

The middle class "was" expanding til the peso crashed in the early 90s. Now the gap between the rich and the poor has expanded even futher. The upper class will always be a small one, but it now includes some new rich guys who got their money building businesses, especially around Monterrey. The old money ususally got through corrupt means in the government. I never really understood that with some much natuaral resources, ie oil, why the people are still so poor.

[Alteno]

... in response to Re: I was giving a demographic for my re..., posted by Ted on Jul 6, 2002

Hi Ted: I too, cannot figure out why this country is not better off than it is. Like I said above, this is changing, albeit slowly. The new generation of middle & upper class Mexicans seems to have more of a social consience than previous generations, hopefully that will help to do away with the ingrained corruption and favoritism in who gets what job in the government.

With 20% of the worlds known reserves of oil, yes, the country should be in a better place. I guess it just takes a long time to change the way things are done.

But please don't make the mistake that just because some folks are rich, that it was by means of corruption or extortion. My Mexican family and many folks here in Arandas did it the old fashioned way, they earned it through education and hard work.

Looking around, I do see positive signs here that someday they will be a powerful player. The country continues to attract alot of foreign investment which is a plus in todays economic climate. They have always been on excellent terms with Japan and Germany, both countries who have had  sizable immigrant populations here for quite sometime...

Saludos desde los Altos...

[Ted]

... in response to Re: Re: I was giving a demographic for m..., posted by Alteno on Jul 6, 2002

I didn't paint with a broad brush when I said that if you're rich in Mexico it was due to corrupt means. But alot of the people with old money got it at the time of the revolution, when the previous upper class, ie the spanish and french, got boot out and replaced with those supporting the revolution. They got sweetheart deals. Then again, it also happened when they privatize the state owned enterprises and some got to buy in on pennies on the dollars through political connections. Just look at the history of Telemex. But that kind of stuff happens everywhere, not just in Mexico.