Had the bright idea about meeting a Russian..

[Bob101]

I'm not sure what I was thinking...but for whatever reason, I decided to do a little e-mail deal and promptly was scammed. I then found "Blacklist" sites, Anti-scam" sites for Russians, and after reading these sites, can't imagine why any man would go through all the risk to meet a Russian...wow! No woman (especially one you hardly know)is worth that risk..you'd have to be pretty desperate.

No...I've dropped that plan fast. It is just a short, hassle free flight to Cali or BQ. You meet plenty of nice ladies with ease. I'll be back to Cali and BQ HOPEFULLY next week, all booked, but biz is a little slow, so I'm a little nervous about dropping an extra $1500-2000 this month.

Anyway...it will be my first trip to BQ. If I go, I'll be sure to post a trip report.

[Richard Smith]

... in response to Had the bright idea about meeting a Russ..., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

I have been going to Colombia for three years.  I now speak Spanish.  I have decided to give up on Colombia because the quality just isn't there.  I have been to Cali and Bogota.  My summary of my experience is as follows: (1) CALI - an overexposed marked with lots of young women peppered with some scammers and jaded women that have been there for ever, the ladies are not as good as what I see on the streets of LA every day, the service provided by the agencies is expensive and below average (2) BOGOTA - the ladies here would make the best wives but they are homely looking.  Those are my judgments.  I am considering Russia again because of the available supply of educated and beautiful women.  I will just have to meet as many as possible and hope I find one that is not a scammer.  I also think there is some luck involved here.  

[Wayne1]

... in response to Re: Had the bright idea about meeting a ..., posted by Richard Smith on Jun 19, 2002

Do yourself a favor and stay out of Russia.

I was married to a Russian girl for 3 years.  The attitude of these women is shall we say not real warm. They are cold hearted b#####S.  Yea they start out warm when they are on their way to the good old USA, but then things change.  The vast majority of the guys that have went east for love have crashed and burned.  I have been around this since 96 and know a little of what I'm talking about.

I am married to a girl from Cali and there is absolutely no comparison.  Life is just real easy now.  She is warm, sweet and we never have serious conflicts.  It's just good livin.  The best thing my Russian wife could have done for me was to go away peacefully.

The year after my divorce from my Russian wife was the most painful time of my life.  It's just not worth the gamble with one of these girls.  Their morals suck, they don't tell the truth, and they are quick to cheat on you.

Sorry for the generalizations, but those are my observations.

Wayne

[Richard Smith]

... in response to Re: Re: Had the bright idea about meetin..., posted by Wayne1 on Jun 20, 2002


It was the horror stories that kept me away for a long time.  But since then I have met people from Russia with good values in the United States.  I really believe the problem is that the marriage agencies in both Latin America and Russia attract women of below average quality.  Imagine if a Russian came to the U.S. for the first time, went straight to Beverly Hills, picks up a money hungry golddigger, and concludes all American women are like that.  A Russian Women with any sensitivity and values isn't going to subject herself to a meet market tour or agency environment.  So you are left with with hardened women who can survive that kind of abusive environment.  My plan is to go over to Russia in September with a spirtual tantra group where I will be meeting women and men in small get togethers in apartments.  I will keep well away from Mafia controlled hotels and heartless marriage agencies.

[Wayne1]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Had the bright idea about me..., posted by Richard Smith on Jun 21, 2002

Richard,

Consider it a fun vacation.  You will have a good time, but try not to bring one back with you.  Learn from other's mistakes.

My wife was a translator and helped me on my computer business trips over there.  I have had many friends with Russian wives and I know the culture.

There is just something not right with these women.  They have serious family, moral, and honesty problems.  It's a dog eat dog country and the women know what they have to do to better their lives.  If you are looking for a younger, more attractive wife, she is probably going to use you in the long run as a stepping stone and boat across the Atlantic.  They get over here and realize their worth very quickly as a mate, and they are gone.

You do not want to invest a few years of your life and countless dollars to end up feeling used in the end.  It's a lousy feeling.

Yes, your mind is made up, and I hope you will report back on the story as is unfolds.  But the odds are stacked against you.  Most of us leave the country to find a mate to better our odds, not lessen them....

But yes they are beautiful and hard to resist!

I understand where you are coming from.

Good luck,
Wayne

[Richard Smith]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Had the bright idea abou..., posted by Wayne1 on Jun 21, 2002

I was in Kiev about 3 years ago on a European Connections tour.  My interpreter was a married lady.  I asked one of the woman out to dinner and she asked if her sister could come along too.  My interpreter thought this was highly improper and said a decent Ukrainian women wouldn't do this.  The next morning the woman asked me to buy her something at the train station were I saw here off.  Again the intrepeter told me this wasn't normal.  My point is that both of these women were Ukranian.  My interpreter was a normal Ukranian woman making a living who understood right from wrong and not one of the huksters at the party.  I would have trusted this interpreter over most American women.

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: Re: Had the bright idea about meetin..., posted by Wayne1 on Jun 20, 2002

Many of us over on this (latin) board have heard similar horror stories. A friend of mine fell in love twice with Russian women he met there on tours and each bailed out on him at the last minute. I can't figure what tempts men to tie up with them.

[BrianN]

... in response to Had the bright idea about meeting a Russ..., posted by Bob101 on Jun 18, 2002

I've been to just about every centam country (except for Belize, which really IS the poorest country down there) and a number of others in s/a  (columbia, venezuela, ecuador.. etc) and I can agree with you.

However, every foreign endeavour is frought with its own set of circumstances, chances to take and perils.  If you're so familiar with the latin scene and it agrees with you, then by all means stick with it.  Maybe Mrs Right may show up tomorrow you know?

You say you're a risk taker, well, we all are, (after all most of us married and divorced an aw right?).  It took me a long time to get away from the asian thing, to the russian thing... two years worth of education (and anal paralysis)  before I even felt comfortable enough to make a trip.  (Btw, my last 10 day trip to Siberia, which is half-way from here with 11 hours time difference, I spent a grand total of $1660).

Bob... if you've visited s/a c/a so many times, but yet to find the right one, the only thing I might ask is.... are you in love with the culture (and visitation etc) so much that you're afraid to settle down? - or what is it that you're looking for exactly? -  I admire your tenacity in this venture.  I just wish I had more resources to go where I want to go more often these days as you have, to be able to claim a personal stake of the territory that consider to be my 2nd life.  

Russia has gotten hold of me now, so much that I don't want my fiance to get here until I go back for a second visit in September.  It's a strange thing.  

If I had ventured out to Cali originally, (and spent considerably less time on the thought process of it all this late in the game -vs- the russia thing), I would be in the same position.

By the way, I made a very long post about that rip-off (or rather expensive) system that you utilized on the other thread, so if you want to read what I said... it's there.  It explains it all.

Anyway, thanks for the visit, you started some interesting threads over there.

Good luck.

[Bob101]

... in response to just had to look over here.., posted by BrianN on Jun 19, 2002

thanks for the interesting response. I started my search outside the USA 5 years ago with one trip to Cali. Met the woman I married, she came here on a tourist visa. Didn't work out after a year, divorced prior to getting her daughter here; under the 2 yea INS window, I figured I'd get the shaft in divorce court if her daughter was here. I went on a rampage for good times after that...starting in Costa Rica met a dancer, a 10 for sure, but not marraige material, she has a visa, so she was back and forth for 2 years fu**ing my brains out, each time she went back, I went to Santo Domingo (discovered SD when I got my divorce ther in one day, and then onto Sosua, DR...where I met a 23 y.o. knock out who conned me...(well..not exactly, I knew sooner or later she would hose me...and she did, but I had a great time anyway)...but after 30 trips to the DR, 6 trips to CR, and 8 trips to Cali...I'm worn out. I've had so much Latin p**sy its coming out my ears! I've been with all Ms. Right nows...but now I'm looking for Ms. Right...I think she's in Barranquilla! (lol).

Yes...I'm in love with Latin culture...where a man can be a man...and beautiful women everywhere that you don't need a bankroll of a millionaire to have. It will be hard to give up the lifestyle...its been great...but now I'm looking for love...but it aint gonna be "To Russia with Love"...

[mck]

... in response to Re: just had to look over here.., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

That is funny, one of my buddies up here in Michigan new a dancer in Costa Rica who was flying back and fourth visitng a guy in North Carolina. I wonder if you were the guy.

[Bob101]

... in response to Re: Re: just had to look over here.., posted by mck on Jun 19, 2002

And I'll tell you if it was her.

[BrianN]

... in response to Re: just had to look over here.., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

Too many people I think too quickly quantify the risk of foreign women with money.  You obviously haven't which is in your favor.  Hell there's more risk with a crazy ass white woman that knows the legal system and want revenge just because she's a new world american single b!tch with a vengefull lawyer.. etc.. etc.

Hell, If I'm gonna end up there at least I'm gonna have a good time with an exotic foreign babe.  I've always loved foreign women, and it never mattered where they came from.  Ahhh, you mention C/R.  I spent a week in San Jose and met up with a russian ship captain and his g/f in a bar and she kept feeding me raw turtle eggs sitting in my lap while he was "egging" her on.. yikes.  They are hot.  My two familiar favorite spots are actually cartegena and panama.  (I wouldn't dare stick my bald dea looking ass in either place these days though - mighty whitey is stayin here!).    

The russian thing, I only did as a challenge to myself since I'd studied it so much for many years.  That tag-line to russia with love is total bs.  So many guys get caught up with the idea that a woman that looks like a killer american chick, but is from somewhere else will be perfect, and don't follow the rules of lifes game.  IE, they treated the last white chick they had like crap, so they'll import a young hottie and do the same?  Some go for the right reasons, but some will pay any price to do it for the wrong ones.

Sorry for the boring philosophical crap, but it's just my own take on things.  

When I seriously ventured into this thing again in 1997, I went looking for a woman that was no more than 10 years difference, with ONE kid, (because I have kids, and they must at least have the same experience I have).  Originally I wanted someone that was within 5 years or so, but I kind of lucked out and widened parameters because of it... so my fiance is 9 years younger (34), with a stomach that is flatter than plywood.  (I can't keep my hands off!!! - and wouldn't ya know, those women die for a lovers touch since they were trained during the soviet years to be wife, slave, and lover to their husband regardless of how he treated them).  

I started writing to asian women which is where my history was anyway, and I was comfortable with it and loved it... but that went to hell and then I was sitting in the middle of nowhere.  Latins where my next choice and I spent a LOT of time looking on the websites - (back then the latin sites really SUCKED and I don't have a clue as to where they got the girls for these things), but the only thing that turned me to where I am now was... I've never been, and never thought about it, so why not?  It was just a challenge and that's really the end of it.

So... anyway, That crap on the other board is just that.  Crap.  Next thing you know I'll be labled a traitor and ostracised for even bringing it up.  Callous bunch of dudes they can be, but they ARE funny as hell sometimes.  It makes for some strange entertainment.

Take care.  :^)

[Bob101]

... in response to It's risky no matter how you look at it., posted by BrianN on Jun 19, 2002

It is nice to finnally hear back from a NON egotistacal, pompous, self-absorbed know-it-all. Thanks for the pics...looks like a sweet girl...a latin looking girl.

Some of my buds just don't understand the travel, and going solo as well...I explaind to them...that they spend countless dollars on Harleys (sold mine to keep up the travel) beach house, going out to bars/discos local (to the tune of 200-300 a weekend) golf, & gold trips, sporting events...add it up, and they spend more than I do. I explain that I'm just into sport f***ing...

However, little heads tired, big head is finally lonely again and starting to rationalize I could keep doing this until I die, but life without love? Well, until I find Ms. Right...what better place to have fun than Colombia! I love Cali...great city...safe, as long as you stay low key...

[mck]

... in response to Refreshingly normal..., posted by Bob101 on Jun 19, 2002

I am sure Cali is a nice place. If you are looking for a layed back, nice place in a good neighborhood with almost no crime, try Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara. That is where I met my novia. The women are much more conservative then Costa Rica and not as nearly as hot tempered as most of the Colombian women I have talked to. The owner Terry is a normal guy who was traveling to Cali just like all the guys on this board and started the agency in Guadalajara about 3 years ago. The flights are cheap if you fly out of Miami, Chicago, Atlanta or Houston and his rates are very reasonable if you book a tour and stay a few extra days. I did about 8 days down there for about $1100 including airfare and everything. I am a younger guy only a few years out of college and the thought of plopping down $800-$900 for airfare alone to Cali is a little to high for me. I would taher spend $1100 on a trip then $1700-$2000 for a week. Also it is only a 2 hour plane ride from houston. It is almost like flying to another city in the U.S.

[zzzz]

... in response to Mexican Matchmakers, posted by mck on Jun 19, 2002

I had the opportunity to know Terry in Cali about 2 y. ago in the month of June or July (Latin - Internet)..... he is a great guy ( we used to called him terry "the terrible")... it Hurts that the things with his girlfriend didn't work well.