MARRIAGE FRAUD

[mck]

There is apparently more marriage fraud going around since september 11. The Cinco De Mayo party I went to last night, one of my Mexican friends married a girl from the phillipines. She got a job as a nail technician in a beauty salon. The family that owns the business is Chinese and the family offered another one of my friends $25,000 to marry a girl in Hong Kong. He is actually considering doing it. I reminded  him, that he could get up to five years in prison but he is a broke college kid and really needs the money. I told him his motives are what wreck it for guys like us who want an honest marriage. The price paid by a family for an American to marry an Iranian girl has gone up from $50,000-$75,000 to $80,000-$100,000 since September 11 in Detroit.  My novia had a party last Friday, because her best friend who is a gay guy married his cousin to become a U.S. citizen. She says "There was no harm done because it was done within his family and nobody got hurt". I disagree with her but I kept my mouth shut. Her sister got a tourist visa when she was 5 months pregnet and went to San Diego and had the kid there, so the kid could become a U.S. citizen. The sister still lives in Mexico. My novia says "When the child turns 18 he will have the choice to live in Mexico or the United States, my sister just wanted to give her child more opportunity." Even though the U.S. taxpayers had to pick up all the medical bills. I kept my mouth shut on this one to. Then she said "When the child turns 18, maybe we can have him live with us and we can help him get a new start in life". Thank god the child is only 2 years old now. Her view is as long as nobody gets hurt financially or emotionally in these types of relationships to become a U.S. citizen (but the U.S. taxpayer is paying financially) it is ok, but I really diagree with all this stuff but again I am keep my mouth shut when she tells me all this stuff.

[Pete E]

... in response to MARRIAGE FRAUD, posted by mck on May 5, 2002

We are very fortunite to have just been born in to a country where most of the world would like to live.I wish this point would get across to some of our whiners who complain about things here.It would be OK with me if they could sell their citizenship to someone who would appreciate it.And I'll say it again,If your ancestors came over on the Mayflower or were drug here in chains you are d--- lucky to be here.
I really can't blame the lady who wants her child born in the US so he can be a citizen.Its a good idea for the kid.I think the US should change the rules on that one though.Constitutional ammendment required.
Even paying someone for a sham marriage.This can be the smart thing for the person but of course a complete violation of our immigration laws.Don't expect individuals not to look out for themselves.If you want to change it we need to tighten up the rules.Its one thing to complain about the INS or even disband them,but some agency must be in charge and needs to be adequately funded for the huge job to do this right.We really haven't been serious enough about it in the past to properly fund it.Hopefully the actions with the INS will not slow up applications in process,like my wives to become a permanent resident.
But there is a type of fraud that upsets me more,where a person is lied to and used to obtain residency.Even though I can understand the motivation,using these tactics is unethical,similar to a thief.Worse perhaps in the harm that can be done.Actually this can be totally legal.All a girl has to do is put up with a guy for a couple of years or less and she is in.It would be more ethical to just sell herself by the hour.

Pete

[Georgina]

... in response to MARRIAGE FRAUD, posted by mck on May 5, 2002

Yes. Many people accepting this kind of arrangement think it is easy. They just get married and that's it. They don't know that they have to follow up with the process of getting the other person's adjustment of status for 2 years and they have to show that they are living together for those two years beside of other things like showing their 3 last years taxes and assets as proof that they met or exceed (Sp?) the Poverty guidelines and I don't think a college kid is gonna be able to meet this requirement so when they go and apply for her residence, INS is gonna tell him they don't meet this requirement and he will need to get another sponsor to support the case and it has to be someone that is a family member. ex, parents, not your friend from around the corner, so don't think it is that easy.

[Patrick]

... in response to MARRIAGE FRAUD, posted by mck on May 5, 2002

Let's say, for example, someone says they're in love with a woman and she's coming to live with him.  He posts messages on the internet describing the whacky belief's the woman holds true in a way that does nothing to really defend her until the posts critical of her pile up.  He posts links to semi-nude photos of her that he's placed on the internet for strangers to see.  All the while professing his love for the lady while she makes preparations to come live with him.  I'd call that fraud.  What would you call it?

This lady may be whacky, but she's a person with the same feelings as any other person.  I'd say she deserves to know the true feelings that a man who says he loves her are.  You have an obvious lack of respect for this lady and I think you're doing her wrong.

You seem to think that there's no reprecussions for her to come live with you for a few months if things don't work out.  Perhaps there won't be.  Maybe she's a strong person that can take being used in stride.  But maybe she's not.

Wrestling a razor out of an hysterical woman's hand on a floor covered in blood after she slits her wrist isn't much fun.  Some people are extremely vulnerable in relationships.  Treat them kindly.  It also doesn't do much for your personal self-esteem to be responsible for this kind of thing.  I know, I've been there.  In my case, I simply didn't love a woman and told her so, but let the relationship go on way too long before breaking things off.  In your case, I assume you've already told her you love her, but everything you've posted here makes me believe you're just ammusing yourself with her.  Being bored and lonely does not give you the right to use someone.

How can you honestly believe you love this woman after all the posts you've made about her?  I think you should heed the advice that myself and others have been trying to force feed you.  End this relatinship before she gets here.  You obviously don't respect this woman as a person.

Maybe you're too young to have developed much character yet.  It will come with age and experience if you learn as you go.  I hope you're not learning a lesson at this lady's expense.

[Michael B]

... in response to What about emotional fraud?, posted by Patrick on May 6, 2002

Although I'm now of the opinon that he has simply made her up, either to troll or because HE has some real problems. If she DOES exist he sure isn't doing right by her.

[mck]

... in response to What about emotional fraud?, posted by Patrick on May 6, 2002

First of all I never said she was whacky. Another thing is I never expressed any bad opinions of her and why should I care what anybody else thinks or says on a bulletin board. You guys are entitled to opinions just like anybody else and I respect those opinions no matter how negative. I do think however some guys on these boards take things way to seriously and have no sense of humor at all. As for the semi-nude pics, she knows I have been showing them to friends. She considers them art and is very proud of them. I sometimes wonder if some of you guys live in caves or something, because there is nothing wrong with a pic of a semi-naked girl. No wonder you guys are having trouble with AW, you need to loosen up a little. If you have no sense of humor, your novias are going to think you are some kind of geeks or something. I don't have to defend my relationship on a bulletin board lol. I mean all this B.S. talk just on religion alone on this board is stupid.

[El Diablo]

... in response to Re: What about emotional fraud?, posted by mck on May 6, 2002


Perhaps you didn't use that exact word but almost every post you have written is about some "strange" idea, practice or belief that she has revealed to you.  These posts leave most readers with the impression that your girlfriend is quite frankly a nut and that you're using her eccentricity as a forum for your own attention.    The things you choose to tell about your novia and the way you describe them says a lot in my opinion about how you perceive her.  

Anyway at least consider what others are suggesting to you....

El Diablo

[greg]

... in response to Re: What about emotional fraud?, posted by mck on May 6, 2002

and we need to Loosen up?? What a Joke..Actually Your speaking of Yourself. Thanks for the laugh Pea Brain. hehehehe

[greg]

... in response to What about emotional fraud?, posted by Patrick on May 6, 2002

Did You read the Post about Pea Brain Spitting on this Latina after having sex with her for a couple of days? Spitting on her just becuz she needed $200...My Goodness, only a Evil man would do something like that in a strange country. He's lucky that she didn't get her family and friends on Him. A Guy just cannot go into another Country with his kinda Arrogant behavior. greg

[yc]

... in response to What about emotional fraud?, posted by Patrick on May 6, 2002

However Patrick you are entirely correct.  Having someone take your feelings and affection for granted and/or for amusement will and can make the recepient of such treatment very a bitter person.

yc

[MarkInTx]

... in response to MARRIAGE FRAUD, posted by mck on May 5, 2002

Why are you keeping your mouth shut?

Silence implies consent...

You may find yourself taking in all kinds of borders if you don't let them know hoe you feel about it!

[mck]

... in response to Maybe you shouldn't, posted by MarkInTx on May 5, 2002

to be honest with you I would really not mind her two sisters moving in with us. There pretty hot. I told her if she wants any of her family members to come up, I don't mind at all, but she says she doesn't because it would invade our privacy. I would love to walk into a bar with three drop dead gorgeous latinas and besides that if I ever had any kids it would save money on daycare. I grew up in a huge irish catholic family with eight kids and am used to always having alot of people around and besides I can easily support a few other people lol.

[mck]

... in response to Maybe you shouldn't, posted by MarkInTx on May 5, 2002

because it isn't a big deal to me and I love her family and her sister very much and I do not want to insult her family just because she has a different view. I did mention that that U.S. taxpayers had to pick up her sister's tab on the hospital and she said "Yes that is what the United States does, they help others have a better life and that is what the United States has done for my nephew for when he grows up". I said "Some people in the United States do not agree with this view". Then she said "Yes, that is true but it was my sister that did this and not me". But she did agree with the $25,000 offered to my friend and thought that was wrong.

[Michael B]

... in response to MARRIAGE FRAUD, posted by mck on May 5, 2002

Currently the US Constitution says that anybody born in the US is a citizen....change it to read "For the child to be a citizen, the mother must be a citizen or she must be legaly married to a citizen at the time of the birth".

[Pete E]

... in response to Easy way to solve this problem, posted by Michael B on May 5, 2002

I agree,but we would need to change the constitution.
I am a supporter of immigration and think we should allow alot more.I also believe even our illegal immigrants provide a service by taking jobs others are unwilling to.
But,the practice of sneaking accross the border to San Diego by a woman ready for childbirth so she can show up at a US hospital already in labor pains,forcing them to deliver or endanger her health should not be encouraged as it is with our current laws.Plus who pays the hospital bill.Yes,we do.

Pete