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Author Topic: A newbie chimes in...(sorry, very long)  (Read 5143 times)
Nawlins Guy
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« on: January 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

Hey guys:

First, I just want to mention how incredibly informative and beneficial this discussion board is for those (like myself) who are contemplating searching for a foreign bride.  IMHO, there is absolutely no substitute for first hand information and this forum certainly seems to provide plenty.

As the thread title suggests, I have been lurking for a couple of weeks, trying to educate myself and learn as much as possible regarding the prospects, process, positives and potential pitfalls of this endeavor. Although most every topic of importance has been discussed at length either here or in the archives, I just thought I would take a moment to introduce myself and provide a few thoughts so I might actually begin interacting with other posters here.

Quick intro/background: I am a 39-year-old single (never married) male (6’/175lbs/brown/blue) with a graduate level education and a moderately comfortable $100k income.  I own my own home located directly on Lake Ponchartrain near New Orleans, LA. In my spare time I enjoy sailing and restoring vintage sports cars. I spent the first 10 years following college flying jets for the navy and the last six as a sales manager for an international electrical manufacturer.

Like the vast majority of you I suspect, there isn’t anything really wrong or unappealing about me, but having failed to meet “Ms. Right” during the traditional period between age 25 and 35, I now found myself with many fewer choices and much less time with which to explore them. Specifically, (unless the man in question is incredibly rich) most American women seem only interested in dating men approximately their age and for me, that means divorcee’s with a couple of children from the previous marriage.

While I have nothing against children, everyone knows the man takes somewhat of a back seat (in terms of affection and importance) once a woman bears offspring. While that is certainly quite fine if the children happen to be half yours, it doesn’t seem like such a good deal when they were fathered by a man your new wife couldn’t live with (who may be still around) and the aforementioned “back seat” comes with financial/moral responsibility of raising, educating and caring for the former husband’s kids who will one day in heated argument remind you in no uncertain terms that “you are not my father!”

There is also the issue of age. Its amazing to me how many American women in their late thirties believe they should be dating men no more than two years their senior. Although you might not agree, IMHO there is quite a difference in relative youthfulness between a 38 year old women and the same aged man…especially if the woman has spent the past 10-12 years raising children. Remember when your 16 year old prom date was 3” taller than you and seemingly much more mature?  While that biological phenomenon might’ve served the girls well when they are interested in dating college sophomores while still in high school, it comes back to bite them in the butt once they pass 35.  In short, while I couldn’t date a 14 year old when I was 24, I can certainly date a 29 year old at age 39.

 
American women also expect you to live nearby.  As such, my prospects for finding a U.S. wife extend to roughly a fifty mile radius of New Orleans, LA.  Suffice it to say that finding an attractive, intelligent, marriage/family-minded single girl between the age of 28-32 without children willing to date a guy 7-10 years her senior is no easy task…especially with my job commitments.  However, when I do manage to find one, they are often so materialistic and shallow that you have to wonder whether their primary attraction is to you or your bank accounts.

Which brings me to the “mail-order bride” possibility.  Having spent 10 years in the navy and traveled to or lived in 33 foreign countries, I have had significant exposure to various cultures. What I have found is that the mail order bride phenomenon is based almost solely upon economics with a little bit of Darwinian “survival of the species” thrown in for good measure. While we might all like to believe girls are just naturally attracted to Americans, the fact is the mail order bride industry amounts to little more than an international version of “Who wants to marry a millionaire?”  The only difference being with Americans earning 10-20 times the per capita GNP of a similar male in these developing countries, one doesn’t actually have to possess a million dollars to be able to attract women by offering the prospect of a better lifestyle.

Of course, most foreign cultures are largely male-dominate and women from these countries might be attracted by the equality afforded, respect shown and affection delivered to a wife by a typical American male. However, I would submit that is hardly sufficient justification to leave one’s homeland, family and familiar surroundings with a near stranger and bound for a strange country.  The primary rational for inter-cultural (mail-order bride style) marriages is almost always fundamentally economic.

I saw this first hand during naval service in the Philippines in the late ‘80s where girls would almost marry the first sailor, who asked them in order to escape poverty, build a better life and possibly help their families. Although I certainly appreciated the sincerity, honesty, devotion, work ethic and beauty of the average Pilipino girl, I was young at the time and pretty much convinced my future lay with an American wife. However, my best friend did marry a beautiful Pilipino girl some 10 years his junior and a decade later, they have children and one of the best relationships I’ve ever seen. It does work out, but he knew (initially) her agreement to marry was based upon a certainty of economic improvement and a hope for future (rather than present) love.

While my friend’s wife continuously suggests I allow her to set me up with a nice Pilipino girl, I guess my personal tastes have always gravitated toward more Anglo features vice the Spanish Asian influence found in the Philippines.  Nonetheless, their successful, happy and fruitful marriage has inspired me to explore the possibility of finding lasting happiness with a foreign bride.  

I guess my biggest question for those “in the know” is why are Columbian women willing to leave their country for marriage to American men?  While I have personal experience in the Philippines where poverty is rampant, theirs was also a very Americanized culture where English was taught in grade schools and the USA was basically held up as nirvana. However, Columbians are nearly twice as affluent as the average Pilipino.  Please see economic comparison below (Per Capita GNP is rough equivalent of average annual income):

Country---------Rank ------------Per Capita GNP

United States-----2-----------------$33000
Argentina--------47------------------$9300
Mexico-----------48------------------$8700
Panama-----------59------------------$7300
Costa Rica-------63-------------------$6800
Brazil---------- 68-------------------$6000
Columbia ------- 69-------------------$5900
Peru------------ 83-------------------$4200
China----------- 88------------------ $3850
Philippines------95-------------------$3300
Russia-----------124------------------$2100
Cuba-------------139------------------$1650

I guess my confusion surrounds economics. It seems Argentineans, Mexicans, Panamanians and Costa Ricans aren’t throwing themselves at Americans, but Colombian women seem to be somewhat eager to possibly find foreign mates.

I have read about the incredibly high murder rate, political instability, high (20%) unemployment and propensity for Columbian men to treat wives as second class citizens and keep mistresses on the side. However, is this enough to encourage women to advertise for foreign husbands and leave their country and families behind?

I guess I could understand the Pilipino perspective as I earn more in a day than most there earn in 3-4 weeks. In addition, they are very much Americanized having been ostensibly a U.S. colony since the Spanish-American War. Despite the vast distance, America really just represented a much wealthier and more developed version of their world sans jungles and a predominately Asian population.  They actually seemed eager to leave and the only horror stories involved guys who married “bar girls” and those who insisted upon emigrating their entire extended family.

For the most part however, Pilipino girls seemed quite grateful and happy to be married to an American and living comfortably in the U.S. Are Columbian girls similar in this regard? One of my navy buddies was married to a Panamanian and she was one of the most attractive, intelligent, warm-hearted and fun-loving women I think I’ve ever met.

I’ve noted some have mentioned LA women are very protective of their mate…I noticed this about my friend’s wife in that she made it known who she was attached to and never gave him reason to stray. They seemed very happy together and despite the many temptations of Philippine deployments, he never seemed interested in chasing women.

I apologize for length of this message. Just wanted to dive in and get some feedback regarding some of my thoughts. I’ll continue to visit and hope to begin posting regularly. Of course, not in such length. Smiley Thanks again.

   


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Sol
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to A newbie chimes in...(sorry, very long), posted by Nawlins Guy on Jan 6, 2002

Not to interrupt this good thread but please note that Colombia the country has two O's in it, no U.

Sol

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Bueller
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to A newbie chimes in...(sorry, very long), posted by Nawlins Guy on Jan 6, 2002

Interesting post. It´s after 3AM here, and I´ve been lying awake due to some caffeine and due to your comment about women with children. I´ve generally been of the persuasion that I´d accept a woman with children although I´ve never married and have no children.

  You make a good point, and I´d be angry and insulted to hear hear a kid say something like that. I´ve never forgotten a comment Harvey Mackay made in Swim With the Sharks: that if you do someone a favor, try like hell to forget it, because it´s almost certain the other person will, gratitude being the least deeply felt of all human emotions.

Still, I´d say it depends on the situation, and I hope you wouldn´t completely rule out the idea of marrying a woman with a child. Just because a 15-year old smartass says something rude and selfish doesn´t mean that will be his opinion when he is 25 and out in the real world. Sooner or later he has to realize that merely having an orgasm in the right place at the right time does not make someone a "real father".  I´d like to think that I would be a worthy father even to a stepchild, and that any woman I marry would have a good enough set of values that she would get on the kid´s case big time for saying something like that, anyway.

  If you marry a woman with a child, she almost certainly acquired the child through consensual sex rather than through adoption, but humans have value beyond just carrying our genetic code and allowing us to "live forever" through them. I´d consider adoption even though (AFAIK) I´m capable of fathering my own, and I´ve discussed this with some Latinas I know here in Spain. It´s interesting how lukewarm some are to the idea, although they´d ceratinly want you to accept their child(ren) if they were single moms. Well, life and people aren´t perfect. In the end, for me whether I´d accept a single mom just depends on the situation.

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Jeff S
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to A newbie chimes in...(sorry, very long), posted by Nawlins Guy on Jan 6, 2002

Hi Nawlins Guy:
Welcome to the board and congratulations on arriving at same the conclusion most of us have: If you can't find what you're looking for locally, just broaden your search. I had a couple of comments on your observations I thought would be of merit to bring up. Certainly the economic factor is a major , even in the US. Remember the movie, "How to marry a millionaire" with Marylin Monroe? There are classes today in New York City for women on how to land a rich guy. How many women go to famous medical universities, or business universities to study liberal arts and hopefully get their MRS degree? It's the way of the world. It's been that way since the days of cave men and will continue with no end in sight. That being said, though, the prospect of safety should not be overlooked. People in dangerous areas, no matter how well off they are, tend to look for avenues out. That's why you see more Columbians looking to bail the country than, say Mexicans - war, not economics. One of my best friends married a Salvadorian women back when the country was immersed in the civil war. Her father was a well to do banker, but fled the country with his family anyway when things got really bad. Remember that just because women are willing to marry outside their countries because of economics or war, doesn't mean they desperate and don't love their American husbands, nor does it make them bad wives. My friend with the Salvadorian wife is very happy and going strong after over 15 years together.

I'd be careful to judge Filipinas based on experiences in the Navy. As I'm sure you're aware, where there are GIs stationed overseas the local indigenous population tend to be not exactly the cream of the crop, to put it politely. There is some merit to what you say, though. Read this Filipina's story from the Asian board:

http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/asian/messages/28719.html

But given all of that, and as I responded to someone else's post. This isn't about ststistics or averages, or the best places to find a wife. It's about two people finding each other, connecting, falling in love, getting married, and spending the rest of their lives taking care of each other. It can be done, as many of us on these boards can attest. It's a great adventure, and one anyone can be successful at if they keep their wits about them, think with their big head, and take it one step at a time. Best of luck to you!

-- Jeff S.

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MikePastore
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to A newbie chimes in...(sorry, very long), posted by Nawlins Guy on Jan 6, 2002

....or if you can wait til December, I will go with you.
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Nawlins Guy
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Dude.....Just Go!, posted by MikePastore on Jan 6, 2002

Mike:

Thanks for responding to my post. I will take your suggestion under advisement. Smiley Actually, if you or anyone else is planning a trip in the near future, I would be interested in possibly tagging along if for no other reason than to just get a feel for the situation.

I am very intuitive and there is no substitute for personal experience. I believe if I were to visit Cali, I would have a much better idea of what I need to do to succeed. Please let me know.

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TexasRob
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to A newbie chimes in...(sorry, very long), posted by Nawlins Guy on Jan 6, 2002

Excellent post!  I agree very much with what you said, but I also believe these points also hold true for the women here.  You will also see this same type of behavior on the Discovery channel or Animal Planet.  The female instict makes her choose the mate that presents himself as a provider.  Depending on the species the male presents this ability in a variety of ways.

The women here are no different.  That is why you never see an ugly woman driving a new Corvette.

I do believe that there is more in the equation than just money though.  I met a girl in Cali who has a good job, nice car, and great family.  She also works as a translator in the evenings and weekends.  She met a guy in Seattle and she is going to marry him.  The makes very little.  She will take a big step down socially, but she seems crazy about the guy.

I do think for the most part economics is the driving factor, but I am hoping that unlike American women, these girls stay with you and don't try to trade up every few years.

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Kenfer8
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to A newbie chimes in...(sorry, very long), posted by Nawlins Guy on Jan 6, 2002


Hi,

You seem to have the clear set of mind required for this MOB mission. I'm a Colombian male and posted this message about a month ago. I hope it will help you clarify some issues regarding Colombia and its people.

Kenfer

The issue of why there are so many agencies in Colombia and women willing
and able to sign up is very controversial. I think it's the
combination of several factors.

Poverty, war, crime, lack of opportunities, etc, play an important role for
these ladies to sign up with the agencies. Also, in the group
age of 20 to 30 year olds...something like 9 out of 10 murder victims are
men. This creates an imbalance in the number of
marriage-age women vs. marriage-age men. And it's not the agency hype that
falsely states that there are 10 women for every man.
But a 55% women vs 45% men is a huge demographical imbalance.

There is another factor that hasn't been covered in this forum: of course
there are poorer countries than Colombia (Honduras,
Dominican Republic, etc). There are also countries like Nicaragua and El
Salvador that have endured terrible civil wars.

But there is something that is very deep-rooted in the Colombian culture
that sets the country appart: we just don't know how to be
poor. People in Colombia will do anything to improve themselves, most would
do it the legal way...others will do it the illegally....but
almost no one is willing to accept their fate without a fight.

People will migrate to other countries with or without visas, with or
without education, with or without the language. Some women will
marry a fat foreigner 15+ years their senior, with whom they're not in love
and can't even communicate. But they'll do it anyway.
Most people will work their behinds off to improve the life of their
families. A few others will deal cocaine, kidnap, rob, murder.
Anything goes when it comes down to the survival and advancement of the
family.

If you go to say Mexico or Guatemala, you can find really poor, illiterate
people...but they don't have the drive and willingness to get
out of that situation like the one you'll find in Colombia.

Kenfer

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