Latin Women List discussion of prostitution

[Pete E]

There has been a thread going for days on Latin Women List about prostitution.It started out from comments about some "Models" agencies and went from there.I'm not sure it is even approppriate here but it is interesting and it has been a little boring around here since Houndog got bounced.

My post:

After reading alot of posts I will reluctantly jump in here.My first concern is that to many,as in some talk show hosts,looking for a foriegn bride and looking for prostitutes are kind of lumped together.This is unfortunate,because I believe most men here want a good relationship,a good wife,as a primary motive.Also most of the women involved in the process are not anything like prostitutes,so to combine the two is a diservice to them.To equate they two gives a very incorrect picture of men seeking foriegn brides.
However,there is a connection here.If it were not for a desire for a sexual partner probably none of us would be involved in this process.I think most of us go looking for a relationship,but sex is a major motive.For sure most of us want alot more than that,a woman who we can love and who loves us,someone we can trust and build a life with,a loyal companion.
We go to a country like Colombia and there are many attractive women who are interested in us.This is very exciting and an ego boost.It also gets all of our sexual desires going.There are several problems that can come up that get in the way of the objective,finding a wife.
The change from the US is like going from famine to feast.With all these pretty girls a guy can start to fall in love with all of them.One friend of mine was falling in love with every girl he met so his buddy took him to a bordello to"get him thinking with his big head".
Some of the girls who are users and manipulators are very close to
prostitutes in practice.They don't care about the guy and will use him for what they can get,and use sex in that effort if they have to.(I think this is a small percentage,10-20%,but others who have more experience that me think it is larger.)
Guys who stay in the game longer and make more trips can get to be players and users themselves.If the original objective of finding a wife becomes just getting laid,the houses are a easy progression from there.
A guy can get confused in his thinking because he may equate sex with love,or what he was looking for.
Before I give my thoughts on what kind of women work in these places I want to say I actually think prostitution should be legalized in the US.I think people should be free to do what they want if it harms no one else.I think alot of our laws about sex come from a "sex is bad "puratanical cultural bias.I do not comdemn a place like "fresh flowers".That sounds much better than hookers working the street.
I heard a few years ago that there had not been one case of aids come out of the bordellos of Nevada.I'm not sure if that was true or still is,but a first class Bordello is can be safer than other methods,particularly if they have mandatory  medical inspections as in Nevada.I think guys do need sex and if you are in a "dry spell"(I have had some long ones) a guy might use a place like "fresh flowers" if there was one around.The problem is even though it may solve our need for sex it does not solve and gets confused with our other
needs like love and companionship.
What kind of girls work these places?I think in the US where we have so many other opportunities it can be woman who have had very poor role models and family structures.I think it is a little easier to fall in to in latin america.There is more economic reason and probably less social stigma.I think the kind of girl that gets in to it there learns very early that her sexual charms can be used to get what she wants.She probably has a family that does not keep a close watch on her and may has less than high morals.They may even approve of her activity if it seems benificial to them.She goes from having
sex with guys very young to using guys to actually taking money directly for it.She may enjoy it or at least enjoy the ego boost and lifestyle she can have.The guy who posted about his girl friend coming clean with him but then being unwilling to give up the money shows us the moral quagmire.She will give it up if she can have $1000 a month,which is a very rich lifestyle in South America.
I think these girls are bad bets for wives.There may be some good ones but a guys judgement about this gets clouded if the sex is good.He wants to think she would be a good wife.I put them in the same catagory as user women and women who will blatently lie to you,bad bets.
That doesn't mean you can't win a bad bet,it is just unlikely.
I think guys who are seriusly looking for a wife should avoid the distraction and confusion of prostitutes.But if thats what a guy wants that is his choice,but there are so many choices in Colombia.
I'm glad someone gave us some imformation about cost so guys who are looking for sex don't pay $5000 to a middle man to get the address of girls who fit the profile.
You can even do a little cost benefit analysis.If sex is $400 here and $48 (we are talking top end here)there and your trip costs you $1500 how many times to you have to get laid to pay for the trip?The answer is 5.

Pete

[casinobill]

... in response to Latin Women List discussion of prostitut..., posted by Pete E on Sep 22, 2001

A couple of months ago there was a special report on CNN. The Spanish Police conducted raids in several locations of prostitution.  There were mainly Colombian women involved.

These women had married Spanish men who were drug addicts etc.,who were paid to go to Colombia.  They went to the agencies, met and married Colombian women. Once the women got to Spain the men disappeared and the women were forced into prostitution.

Perhaps this is not limited just to Spain!

[Pete E]

... in response to Re: Latin Women-Not always their fault!...., posted by casinobill on Sep 25, 2001

Bill,
Thats a sad story.I think most of them get in to it volontarily though.Also,I would think they girls put in the situation could get out if they were not to intimidated to try.

Pete

[buzzy]

... in response to Latin Women List discussion of prostitut..., posted by Pete E on Sep 22, 2001

You know..(tongue in cheek)just for the sake of convenience and expediency  I wish the organizations ..whether they are on-site agencies...correspondence clubs ..tour companies or whatever..that they would simply separate and identify the different groups of ladies according to their agendas.  In every TLC party and in every agency and corrspondence club I've experienced... hookers have shown up as well as the escorts, users, and manipulators.  A guy serious about meeting a wife doesn't want to waste his time with one of these.  But on the other hand a guy who has struck out three times with the serious candidates might want to have  companionship.  And on the matter of that guy paying his lady to refrain from her career..my bet is that she'll think greed and take his money and continue her chosen career secretly.  Do you know that many of these ladies have up to fifty partners a week?   How could marriage follow that?  It's beyond my understanding. I met a lady in Panama who was from Colombia.  Very sweet. Said she was supporting several family members at home.  And as soon as she worked off her contract she was going to return.  Her family thinks she is working in a factory.  In her spare time she told me that she reads the bible.   She was 23.

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: Latin Women List discussion of prost..., posted by buzzy on Sep 23, 2001

Just how many agencies and correspondence clubs are you talking about?  How do you know they're prostitutes?  When you're writing, does the lady respond with a letter or email advertising her services?  How about at the parties and on-site agencies?  How do you know when one of these ladies is a prostitute?

My only experience as a man searching was through correspondence, but I couldn't imagine a woman writing for several months in the hopes of landing a client.  And none of the ones I met had the kind of lifestyle, i.e. money, that would have brought them.  Instead, they all had regular jobs and a poor (by our standards) lifestyle.  Perhaps there's a few out there who wish to get out of the life and hope to do so with a foreigner, but I think most get into it and stay for a good long while since they make so much money.

"Manipulators" I can understand, particulary for a man of 51 if he's chasing gorgeous 20-30 year-old women.  But the same women who may come across as a "manipulator" to a man they're not really interested in romantically, may be quite sincere with a man closer to their own age who they're attracted to.

I'd suggest staying out of the brothels and concentrating on finding a good woman.   Actually, no, stay in the brothels and leave the decent ladies alone please.

[muddslinger]

... in response to Latin Women List discussion of prostitut..., posted by Pete E on Sep 22, 2001

this is a little off the subject, and it may piss off a few people who have married a colobian, or who are in the process of dating one, me included in that group, but i  have a friend who is dating a girl from spain. she is here in our city for three weeks, (she is  a lawyer).my friend went to her city, malaga, kind of a summer tourist place for the rich. anyways, they went partying at diffrent bars and discos ect. for the most part, every girl in the bar or disco, that was a "working girl" was from colombia. he admitted that they were the best looking girls in the places, but he was amazed that most of them, around 80% were colombian.im not realy sure what it all means, but just FYI.

[pack]

... in response to Re: Latin Women List discussion of prost..., posted by muddslinger on Sep 22, 2001

what you say is unfortunte but true. i also have heard many stories like this. there are many colombianas in Spain,Panama, Costa Rica and other places working as ladies of the night. i have a friend just came back from two weeks in Costa Rica every hooker he came in contact with was from Colombia.

[rafael]

... in response to Re: Re: Latin Women List discussion of p..., posted by pack on Sep 23, 2001

You will find Colombian hookers are "imprted" into many Latin American, Caribbean, Central American and even European countries. The same could be said for the DR. I met a girl in the Dr once that was moving to Holland.
I bet I can guess where she would be working.

[NW Jim]

... in response to Re: Latin Women List discussion of prost..., posted by muddslinger on Sep 22, 2001

MS, have no reason to doubt the story. With the economic and military situation in Colombia, Spain has been one of the primary destinations for those leaving the country.

There was an article within the past two weeks about Spain which said that the murder rate in Madrid, was rising in part due to Colombian and East bloc criminal gangs.

On the other hand, according to a 9/19/01 article on Yahoo, over 200 Colombian nationals perished in the WTC attack.

[pack]

... in response to Re: Give us your tired,  poor.............., posted by NW Jim on Sep 22, 2001

really 200 you say? i knew some colombians died in the towers but i didnt know it was that high a number. sad.

[El Diablo]

... in response to Latin Women List discussion of prostitut..., posted by Pete E on Sep 22, 2001


Hi Pete,

I found your post interesting and it's a subject I've thought about at different times.  I'm with you about legalizing it here not because I approve but because I don't think our governement has a compelling reason to interfere in a contract of this nature between two adults.  I think prostitution has negative affects upon culture and upon families in general nevertheless I think a certain freedom to do stupid acts should be allowed in order to protect other greater freedoms.

Prostitution as it relates to the MOB industry is another subject however.  I think there is a perception among many people,  rightly or wrongly that there is a link between the two.  Many people not otherwise associated with the agency scene in Cali for instance, are suspicious of the industry.  They may believe some of the girls are prostitutes and some of the men to be vacationing playboys.  I personally believe any link between those who are looking for a spouse in a foreign country and prostitution is very destructive to the MOB industry.  I think an emphasis on sex and partying within the agency scene attracts people with short term objectives and goals.  In my opinion this is not the best group to be looking for a spouse within.  This perception also discourages many good people from participating in this experience because of the negative stigma associated with it.

I understand that men will be men at times and there is very little that can be done to discourage this behavior.  I think agencies on the other hand need to be very cognizant of this perception and to act accordingly.  I personally hold agencies, their owners and employees, to a much higher standard then the individual who travels to Latin America.  In my opinion, agencies need to TOTALLY distance themselves from anything that is even remotely associated with prostitution. I think agencies should consider not only their own practices but they need to be careful about their business and personal associations too.  If agencies give the perception that prostitution is acceptable or even encouraged among their employees, members, and associates, this perception will ultimately help destroy the experience for those who are truly serious about finding a good spouse.  

Anyway, I don't really care too much what people do in their personal lives.  I do believe however it is an intrinsicly selfish act to use matrimony agencies, whose purpose is to find a spouse, as a vehicle for getting laid.

El Diablo

[Patrick]

... in response to Latin Women List discussion of prostitut..., posted by Pete E on Sep 22, 2001

It looks to me like this post is a philosophical discussion of prostitution, but please keep in mind that discussion of prostitution from a user's perspective is not allowed here.  I know there will be others who want to start this type of discussion following this post, but they will have to do so elsewhere.

For those that engage in this activity, it's their business, but this message board will not be used to swap stories and recommend places.

[Pete E]

... in response to Please read the FAQ before responding to..., posted by Patrick on Sep 22, 2001

Patrick,
I hadn't read that before.My post was not really a discussion of prostitution from a users propective.I immagine there are sites that do that and you don't want to be one of them or confused with them.Some of the posts on Latin Womens list were users reports.I guess we should avoid it here and not even talk  about it unless it is relevant to something someone needs to know.I was a little concerned and even said I didn't know if it was appropriate.
I do appreciate your running the board and I think you do a good job.

Pete

[El Diablo]

... in response to Re:  whoops, posted by Pete E on Sep 22, 2001


Pete,

I think the way you framed the discussion was great and not an endorsement or user's guide.  I'm sure it will spark some interesting posts....

El Diablo