I apologize (to the sane ones)

[jim c]

Dear HD

Obviously, I resent the implication that my ex was possibly unfaithful or that I shacked up with her to find out if I wanted to keep her. Anon a mouse obviously has his own problems. And obviously I have nailed him in the past. I certainly would not ask any member if his wife or novia was unfaithful, even though some of us recently have made an occupation of such confessions.

I do not profess to be perfect. But I have lived a long and active life out side of the mainstream. I initially began to post on this list to share the information I had acquired in Cali and I believe that I have done so. My direct posts have been a result of my experiences there, as indicated by my recent trip report of three weeks ago. Meeting Calenas has provided me with the opinions I have expressed. Not philosophy gained at my key board. I confess to being sarcastic and often directly insulting. I have only attempted make all of us think about what is normal,not to minimize bizarre behavior.  My method of exchange (devils advocate) may not always be the most palatable, but it is the only way I know to wake some from their fantasys. I may have alienated some here but that was not my intention. My desire is to show "what fools these mortals be " and to cause some to examine their own perceptions. This is how I see my past behavior on this board and if I have alienated anyone with a sound mind I apologize. Jim C  

PS I am truely not a grumpy guy, just a little sarcastic.

[Anonymous]

... in response to I apologize (to the sane ones), posted by jim c on Jul 28, 2001

Look, Bud,  prior to this message, I haven't posted anything on this board except under the long "Should I leave her" thread about a week ago, except for a couple of noncontroversial posts under my real handle for someone looking for some info.  Posts below from "Anony Mouse" are from somebody different.  I don't know anything about your ex.  And if you shacked up with her to try and determine whether you wanted to keep her, I'd congratulate you for your good judgement, not condemn you.  Your replies to my post were pretty obnoxious, but funny enough that you just about had me rolling on the floor laughing.

[jim c]

... in response to Re:  I apologize (to the sane ones), posted by Anonymous on Jul 28, 2001

Dear mouse

 I am glad you enjoyed my previous posts and I sincerely apologize for confusing you with a rat. jim c

[Anonymous]

... in response to Re: Re:  I apologize (to the sane ones), posted by jim c on Jul 29, 2001

Dear mouse??  How about a little respect.

I said I thought the post was funny, not that I enjoyed it. Although I did need to get banged around a little, to wake me up.  I have no idea what the original post (since deleted???) was that set you off here, but if it related to your wanting to know a woman well before you made a permanent commitment, you were probably right.

[jim c]

... in response to That's Mr. Mouse to you, buster, posted by Anonymous on Jul 29, 2001

Dear Mr Mouse

Another less classey rodent requested that I indicate whether my former novia was sexually faithful to me and if that was the reason for our break up. As you might understand there is no way a rodent of your caliber would ever ask a question of this sort. The other rodent shall here to fore be known as sewer rat, although he posted under the nome deguere of anona mouse.
    I regret slandering you, but if you can provide the funds, I will happily go to rehab in Cali.   thats jim c to you bozo

[El Diablo]

... in response to I apologize (to the sane ones), posted by jim c on Jul 28, 2001

Hey Jim,

No need to apologize at least not to me. I was calling you grumpy guy only because you had called yourself that in the past and I prefer funny names to our real ones.  I picked my own name "El Diablo" because like you, I like to be the devil's advocate and enjoy a good argument.  I was also just being sarcastic with my comment below and didn't give it much more than a minutes thought.  

I'm with HD on the argument with the Mouse man below, both your positions are very easily reconcilable, at least as I see it. I found myself agreeing with both positions.  

El Diablo

[jim c]

... in response to Re:  I apologize (to the sane ones), posted by El Diablo on Jul 28, 2001

Devil, I said sane!!!!

This reminds me of an old cartoon from BC.

One man introduces another to Wavy.

He says: " This is Wavy the most sarcastic man in the world."  

"Say something sarcastic Wavy. "

Wavy says:  "Glad to meet you""

[El Diablo]

... in response to Re: Re:  I apologize (to the sane ones), posted by jim c on Jul 29, 2001

Thanks Jim, no subtlety needed, message received loud and clear!!  

BTW, my comment below was just a joke and wasn't meant to offend.  I was making light of the two of you arguing about the circumstances in which it is more dignified to live with a woman.      

I think every situation is undoubtedly unique and depends on the motives and values of the people involved. But I can tell you that in the case of the two novias I've had in Cali, there families would NEVER have approved of us living together in Cali, no way, not in a hundred years.  But they would have approved of their daughter coming to the U.S. on a K1. Granted every family is different but I think this would not be an untypical response of the parents and grand parents as they belong to the previous more traditional generation.  

El Diablo

[jim c]

... in response to Re: Re: Re:  I apologize (to the sane on..., posted by El Diablo on Jul 29, 2001

dear devil chill out and don't take me seriously. I was a narc in detroit for 12 years. I do not have thin skin. I was only having fun with you. as HD said in another post just screwin with you entiendo jim

[Houndog]

... in response to I apologize (to the sane ones), posted by jim c on Jul 28, 2001

Sheeeesssshhh. I was only trying to throw water on a fire between two guys that have similar core points of view "RESPECT FOR WOMEN" and different vantage points they were looking at the same problem from. I for one respect and value your perspective, opinions and experience.

You don't owe me or anybody else an apology (that I'm aware of) for having "your opinion". This ain't about takin hostages...it's about exchangeing ideas, opinions, info, perceptions, experiences, stories...yada...yada...yada...

If you want to be grumpy SOOOO WHAT...that's your business. And sarcasm is a form of expression in "THE REAL WORLD"...so what else is new...

You are honest in regards to how you really feel and percieve things...just like me...those view points aren't PC or sugar coated...again SOOO WHAT...not everyone has the time or inclination to sugar coat every post ...Soooo What...is life only about being placated with 'yes men' everywhere we go ? I don't think so. And if that world exists I've never heard of it.

Now...I was going to send you an em to give you my take on a few things privately...however your em isn't availible and I couldn't find it from our past conversations.

You can em me privately and I will give you my take on a few things I do not wish to discuss publicaly....SO..that puts me in the same boat as you two for not wanting certian things a topic of public discussion...

Regards, HD